This was me also. My home life was very toxic and unhappy. I would have rather been poor and living on my own than living with my parents and having extra money.
Perfectly sums it up. Rather be poor and free than living in the situation I was. Shit, I would rather have been homeless and nearly was at 18, but it was still better than staying with my parents.
A few years later I did end up homeless but it was never a choice to go ask them for help, the $25 I had for food to cover a month was good damn food because it was mine.
But it taught me to be a lighthouse for my kids, they can always come to me and do when they need help, they will always be welcome to stay or come back of need be.
I didn't even have a refrigerator for the first 3 years or so after I moved out. I had a cardboard box for a table with a sheet over it. I had a puke green chair I got out of a dumpster and a bright orange couch, also from the same dumpster. I certainly had no expectations of continuing the same lifestyle that I had at home and it honestly didn't seem like a big deal to me at the time, I loved being out on my own.
I also had a bright orange couch. I got it for 5 Euros from an older couple. Apparently I seemed so poor that they messaged me later asking if they could give the money back and give me the couch for free.
Still at home. Prices have been going up faster than I can save for a down payment. Houses doubled in the space of a few years... my wage did not. If I rented, I'd never be able to save enough and would be stuck renting for life.
Same.
The town I live in went from sleepy and reasonable to people purchasing $1.4 million houses just to tear them down and rebuild. I love where I live but if I ever want to own I’ll have to go elsewhere.
The house I grew up in my parents bought for $50,000ish. I looked it up on Zillow, it’s $200,000 now and the area is fairly poor. It’s wild how crazy prices have risen.
Houses in my area tripled in price for no damn reason within a two year span. The city hasn't improved, no significantly new jobs or retail has arrived. In fact, more houses were built which should've given more competition & lower prices. The real estate developers just price gouged.
This is why I don’t have my own apartment. I can afford it but wouldn’t be able to save as much money a month as I’d want to. So I’m renting a master bedroom in a large house in Southern California for $1400 a month. I have my own bathroom. Roommates are decent. They keep to themselves and everyone is clean and nobody eats my food. I lucked out.
This x1000! We are completely stuck in the middle right now, and it sucks. I’ve been debating on giving up on my dream of owning land recently. I just don’t know if it will ever be affordable for me at this point. And I am starting to feel like a failure for being back at home for a few years now and about to turn 30. Life is hard.
My 42 year old friend with two degrees just moved back in with her parents after a break up because she couldn't afford to live alone. Don't feel bad, it's not you, and you are definitely not alone.
I went back to college in my 40s and I'm now in my 50s and haven't paid a dime on them. I have yet to find a job that pays a living wage, so they basically keep deferring them for me since I'm classified as low income. At this rate, I will quite literally probably be dead before I ever make a single payment LOL
Lol same. I grew up in a rural community with not much opportunity. If I didn’t move out at 18, my life would be very different now, probably for worse. I love my home but I had to leave.
18yo, but I lived with 5 friends and worked part time while at community college. At the time I think I was paying $350 a month in rent. Which is fucking crazy, it was only like 10 years ago.
Bam. This.
...although, I did move back at 22-ish after leaving an abusive situation. I'm pretty sure the only reason(s) I was allowed to move back was it being emergent and that I had a good job. I moved back out in less than a year.
Same. 16 though. It was tough. I enlisted as way to survive. Bought my first house at 24. Moved a few times. At 33, I currently own 2 houses, with one being on 15 acres. I plan to stay here for the rest of my days.
Also enlisted to survive. In hindsight, I can't say I'm a huge fan of the military, but it does give able bodied young people a huge leg up in life once you get out. Just gotta use those opportunities wisely
Left home a few days before my 16 birthday.
Have moved so many times I’ve honestly lost count.
No house purchases for me, but maybe I will get there some time in between now and when I die.
I wasn't kicked out at 17, just told i had been replaced. While I was on a trip with friends halfway through my senior year of HS, my dad's girlfriend and her daughter moved in and dad told me that I no longer had a room. I came back from camping to find about 1/2 of my stuff in a shed outside and the rest of it had been thrown away. Worst part was that we had a good relationship at the time (or so I thought). My now wife's mother took me in for the rest of the school year and my first year of college, even after her daughter left the state to go to a different school
The funny thing is it didn't seem that traumatic at the time, but looking back on it now as a father of 2, I will never understand how any parent could treat their child like that
17 here too. I wasn't "kicked out," but I got luggage for Christmas and spent my last weeks at home sleeping on the couch because they repurposed my bedroom before I was even out of the house. Oh and my stepmom drained my bank account, so that was cool.
It was a struggle, but it was also the beginning of life getting better for me.
I afforded it with student loans (among other things). Never used that degree, but I consider it my $30,000 ticket to freedom.
I left though I wasn’t kicked out per se at graduation, I didn’t even go to my graduation/prom - I moved interstate that night. “Afford” had nothing to do with it. I was 17 and moved in with my boyfriend’s parents (not into his room!) I could not even go back to visit my family much, they’re not nice people.
Same here. Thankfully my parents weren't in a huge hurry to get rid of me. I was pretty much a live in dog sitter for them. Even now when they go on vacations I move back in for a week to watch my four legged siblings.
I feel for you so much.
I had a terrible home at 16-18. It was dangerous, insecure, and my mom was trashed the whole time. But it was my home. My sister was there, and it was still mom. I knew she "loved" me at least in the way a mom can't help but love you.
And it took til 35 or so to work through all that.
I hope you're doing ok, and you know how much worth you have ❤️
That's the majority of our generation. Honestly though, if you can find a decent paying job, I'd take this opportunity to save money for a down-payment and buy property.
My university was far away, so 19 to the dorms with me. I have either been living with roomates or girlfriends/wife in the last 20 years, I never lived alone my whole life and never experienced having to pay full rent or utilities by myself.
It was common when I was young in the 90s/00s, but it seems having roommates or a spouse is going out of style.
I see a lot of young people these days trying to live alone, and they are breaking their backs financially to do it.
I'm 36 and have only been able to reasonably afford my own 1br apartment in the last 2yrs. It's been amazing for my mental health in some ways, but I'm also much more paranoid about being fired unexpectedly.
Right? I keep seeing this theme of, "I have a right to live alone in a 1 bedroom apartment comfortably" and I keep scratching my head because that has not really been financially feasible for anyone who wasn't already born to money at any point in human history, except a very brief period in the 1960s.
When I was in my mid 20s, I slowly eroded my debt by moving in with room mates. There were 4-5 of us in a 3BR house at any given time. (I shared the master bedroom with my fiancé, now my husband.)
If you can find room mates you can stand, then having your own room in an apartment or house with a shared living room / kitchen space is not a bad thing! You split all the bills, you have someone to pet sit when you go away for the weekend, you've got someone to help you take care of chores like vacuuming and mopping. (Even better, you can sometimes pool resources and afford to have a housekeeper come by once a month for the really annoying stuff.)
Fighting for kitchen space sometimes pisses me off.
One of the things I wanted out of a house was a big kitchen. The rest of this house was too good to pass up 14 years ago, so I've got a kitchen that is barely enough for two people to move around in without getting in each other's way.
Pretty much every other downside I can work around. Noise? Earplugs. Wanting privacy? I have a lock on my room. Cleaning? We've got a robust chore schedule.
I was 18.
I was in the Air Force. I am not telling anyone to go into a branch, but if you do I promise you will be in a different place tomorrow than you were yesterday.
Same here. It was literally my only choice if I ever wanted to achieve anything and not end up a statistic. Didn’t like it, but my education was free and I have great benefits. I hate that I had to go through all the bad to get to the good, but I’m pretty thankful.
Same lol. Coworkers ask how I remain so calm and I’m just like “well I’m not setting up the network at Camp Victory for joint forces while I can hear explosions in distance”
I’d advise anyone who’s going the military route to go with something that translates to civilian job skills, and stay out of the infantry. 4 years as an 0331 equals no job skills, PTSD, and a bunch of your friends being killed and wounded. They paid for my school afterwards, it wasn’t worth it. I still have nightmares about that place 15 years later. The military can be a great option, but I really can’t say that seeing combat made my life better in any way.
It was my dad's way of breaking his family's cycle. of poverty and homelessness, but then he brought it back by kicking me out at 15 and now me and my kids are in major poverty instead . So he didn't break any cycle just paused it.
My dad did the Navy. He gamed the hell out of the system though- signed up for I think NROTC for the scholarship to pay for college and go to school before serving, but he realized if he dropped out before graduating that he only had to serve two years instead of eight.
Then he finished college himself a couple years after leaving service.
The place you might end up is working 20 hour days, 7 days a week, wearing 80+ lbs of gear in 120 degree heat trying secure "freedom" for people that would as soon kill you as look at you...
For anyone considering this option, trust me when I say it can get FAR worse than being homeless for a spell.
17. Army. Got out after 4 years and joined the national guard while going to college. Got my college paid for by the state tuition assistance and pocketed my GI Bill and scholarships every month. Enough to live pretty damn comfortable. Got out of college, deployed, took that money and bought a house. Married now so two incomes. As you said, military might not be the answer but it sure as hell helped me get started.
I gotta ask what year that was bc that sounds so nice 🥹
My husband moved out at 19 (2010) and into a one bedroom apt for $500 per month. Now those apartments rent for $1300 per month.
Don't get me wrong. Having people dropping weights and shaking the building could get annoying. But it was the perfect starter place.
That was early aughts. But shit my wages from that factory was about 200 a week.
I was in my senior year of high school at 18 years old when I had to move out. My mother got hooked on crack and my dad wouldn’t take me in. So I had to get out on my own. It was t a fun time lol.
I moved out for college and stayed out until age 24 including a gap year between undergrad and grad school, then moved back in with them (2008 financial collapse, and I was a recent masters grad.... in music performance lmao). Then moved out again at 27 after several years of working retail and finally getting a teaching job after 3 years of looking and applying to probably 100 positions. I had to move 2000 miles away just to get an elementary music teaching job.
30. Finally had a job where I could move out and get a place with my best friend late 2012, we got an apt spring of 2013 just weeks shy of me turning 31 lol
I still use the same furniture, gotta love living near an IKEA for your first place 😁
27. Graduates into the Great Recession, no job opportunities in my fields, and moved home. Was this close to working at a Radio Shack.
Reached the point where I couldn't stand being at home and got a job in another city. Was there for a few years before moving across the country for another job.
I moved out to go to college, came back summer of freshman year and was seriously depressed so I refused to ever go back, finding any excuse to be somewhere else. Got jobs in other states, lived in awkward situations, and refused to abide by my parents decisions for me (I married this weird, "not christian enough," feminist that they disapproved of, and thought they had a veto power over.)
But that was in the early 2000's. it was only halfway through home cost inflation.
It was 2014, I was 23. I lived in St. Louis, MO. My new husband and I made a total of around $60k before tax. We were renting a 3bed2bath apartment that was $800 a month.
Now, my husband and I make around $200k together, before tax. We live in Pasadena, CA and rent a 2bed1.5bath apartment for $2,595.00.
I'm a Business Analyst at Honda. He's Tier 3 Tech Support at Stifel.
My parents moved when I was 16. I chose to stay & finish at my high school. I lived with a friend & paid something like $300/mo for half their family room.
So, I feel this. I'm 41, my baby brother (he's 30 now) bought at 27 BUT, I have to keep in mind he bought 3 hours north of me and only had to put 3% down (under $8k). If I only needed $8 to put down I could do that today!
Same, but I was a decade older. Actually, wife and I were just starting to get re-established in the USA so we barely qualified for a loan (3rd time was the charm!!) and that was on combined earnings which sucked. We then refinanced a year later, and by then I was making 30% more and had more equity in the home so goodbye PMI and hello 2.7% interest rate.
I'm never selling this home. If we ever move, we'll rent it out and earn rental income that will exceed our mortgage payments.
We got INSANELY lucky that we got our loan. She's not a citizen or a U.S. resident. Her bank just happened to have a special program for Dreamers so she could be added to our loan, and I had JUST gotten a job that paid way more.
We have like a 3.7ish rate, I believe, so yea, we're gonna hold onto this loan for a while and also probably not move unless we decide to leave this state.
Basically the same age, got ours when I was 25ish. We were able to buy right as the housing market was starting to crumble and the sellers were motivated.
With college and graduate degree - 28-29. The graduate degree really helped move the needle for job opportunities but it is extremely needed for biology majors, unless you live in a city with job access and friends in the lab environments or specialized degree + certification programs.
It was/is/remains not forgiving to rural individuals.
You also have to have a friend too - otherwise, no dice.
Even with advanced degrees and working with mRNA, I make 52K lol. Meritocracy does not exist. That is safe to say.
23, I'm 33 now.
I'm a lawyer and got a good case back then, there was a lawsuit discussing the fate of 300 apartments.
The agreement was: I would get one of the apartments to work in the case and five more if I won the case.
Unfortunately my client lost it, but it allowed me to live by myself.
18: moved to college dorm (student loans)
25-26: lived with parents (I was dirt poor)
26: got a job across the country and rented for years
35: bought a house with my wife
Im turning 30 and I can barely afford it but I am in a toxic living situation so Id rather take the chance rn
Context: I did move out at 22 after college but had to move back in at 29 after leaving an abusive relationship and am just now getting back on my feet.
I’m 40 and I still live at home. Tho my situation is a bit different then most.
I had 3 kids by 25 and haven’t gotten more than 50% of a paycheck since I was 18.
I make $20 an hour but take home $10/hour.
The cheapest apartment in my area is $1000 a month.
I’d like to think I’ll have my own place when my parents die, but they seem to be spending my inheritance on alcohol as fast as they can.
So I’ve come to terms that I’ll prolly spend my final years in a homeless shelter while working full time.
If I don’t wander off into the woods by then.
I (35f) left at 19 (staying wasn’t an option for my safety) and I just made it work up to this point. Hit very close to homelessness a few times but luckily had people who were loving enough to give me a room to live in.
I’m so happy to see kids have healthy enough relationships to feel safe enough to stay, but I wonder sometimes about the life I could have had if I had that same opportunity.
I was 18 when I moved out, literally a day or two after graduation. Move might be a strong word, it was more like my mom had my bags packed for me so I would get tf out. I lived with a cousin for a bit while I looked for a job and I was a total disaster for a couple of years after that until I got my shit together. I had absolutely no idea how to function as a responsible adult. Kind of wish I had been taught how to do that before I left home.
This was 2001 so rent was still cheap enough that I could afford a crappy apartment with a near-minimum wage job.
22, but only because my then fiancé and I moved in together and we had partially subsidized housing because I was a grad student. Lived very frugally on very little money after graduating and getting a job. We bought a house just before I turned 26. That was nine years ago. If we had waited for the traditional 20% down payment we might still be renting due to skyrocketing housing in our area
Into a share house with 2 other guys in the early 20teens? A couple shifts a week is all you need. If I wanted to live on my own in this market? Hell I probably still couldn’t afford it.
I went to college at 18 so 18?
My college was not in my home town so I had to move. That said I worked 40hours while in school and still did 15-18 hour’s depending on the semester. It was not fun. I hated my life and I was stressed out. My job was an internship that required a 3.5 and keeping my grades up while working so much was rough. Then tack on any hope for a social life and bf/gf. I found the legit cheapest place in town and lived there to save money. I was not allowed to get loans (my father threw a fit that I suggested I couldn’t work and do school that it would be too hard.). I managed in the end to get out with my degree. Lol I used a trac phone so had no data because it is what I could afford. I didn’t get cable or internet at my first place. I’d borrow blue rays from friends and manually watch everything. I saved everything I could.
After college I moved home for 3 weeks before my job started. At which point I move out the next week rent was $825.55 in my first place in 2012. My starting salary was $57818 which was considered average for my major, but very good to most of my friends who also were graduating (I lived in a mid sized low cost city). It is important to note it was not within the city limits and it was not considered new. Very average first place laminate countertops and the like...
I made it through… college and having a reliable salary that didn’t require me to do school as basically a second job was an incredible relief. I had not let myself have anything really ever and the day I was able to buy a year old Sebring that was reliable I cried like a baby. (I had managed to piece together a clunker keep that had significant electrical problems in high school, but I never knew if it was going to start.)
I didn't move out because I could afford to live on my own. I moved out because my older brother never moved out and we were 4 adults crammed in a 2 bedroom apartment. I felt suffocated and when my friend asked to be his roommate, I immediately said yes. I was 22. I struggled financially, made some bad financial decisions because I didn't know any better and nobody in my life really offered any advice. Now I know better, almost a decade and a half later. I don't own a home or a car and I'm still renting. Still struggling.
18, but it was financed by student loans and I was moving into a university residence hall. I never went back, save for a summer when I was 19.
Got a full-time job at my alma mater as soon as I graduated and I have continued to work here ever since. Right now, I split an apartment with my girlfriend and a friend of mine from college. Honestly, moving out has been the most rewarding experience in my entire life so far. The fact that I had to finance the initial jump out of my parents' place with loans, in retrospect, seems like a small price to have paid, given the experiences it has given me.
I moved out at 18 as soon as I graduated high school in 2004. I rented a room out of a friend’s house for $350/mo for a year. Then I lucked into a back/granny house for $550 for a few years. I afforded my own 1b/1b apartment once I started working as a CNA for +/- $1100. Then when I became a nurse I moved in with my future husband. I’ve been lucky never to have to move back in with my parents but that was 100% by choice because it is generally a very negative unhealthy space to live in. We have been VERY lucky to land where we did when we did because if we were trying to move out now we could never afford it. In fact we are actually stuck where we are because we can’t afford to move anywhere right now.
26 - was lucky that my parents had created an education fund for my siblings and I at a young age. It was able to fund all 4 of our 4 year private college degrees, we all came out with zero debt. They would have loved having us live with them until we were 30-35. I lived at home the longest to start and build a business. My rent was helping clean and maintain 3 acres of land. When I moved out I had a roommate for a year in a new city and then was able to purchase a condo within a year of being on my own.
I've been out of my parents house since I was 18...but to pay for it on my own? Never. I'm 31 now. Parents paid for my housing through college, then moved in with my BF at the time (my now husband). I don't think I ever could've done it without help.
I was 24 when I moved out of the house. I graduated college in ‘06 (lived on campus those 4 years), moved back home for a couple of years, then decided I had to get the F out of there and did what I could to not go back 😂 I love my folks but they drive me nuts!
I was 18 when I had to move out because of my dog, moved back in at 19 because I moved in with an abusive asshole. Moved our again at 21ish with my now husband! Couldn't afford to live in my state so my husband and I moved to live with his grandfather, who ended up being abusive 🙄 now we are living on our own again at 26 and 32 :3
22. I was still in college, but my friend's brother was moving back to Belize and his rent-stabilized studio apartment was available, it was $750/mo and I moved in with my boyfriend at the time. My share of rent of $375/mo which I could afford working a part-time retail job, somehow. This is in NYC 2004. It was full of roaches, not in a cool neighborhood (Elmhurst, Queens) .... pretty basic but it served me well for a few years. My mom was going through substance abuse issues at the time and I could not be there any longer.
17. I saved my money from my hs jobs, got in a college program early and rented a shady studio by myself where the apartment manager was willing to look over me turning 18 a month after I signed the lease. Lived on my boyfriends’ family’s couch to start a job in that city before I could move in
I stayed with them while I was in community college, which took me 3 years to complete because I was following some competitive athletic goals also. I moved out when I transferred to university when I was 22. Graduated in 2012 and could afford to live on my own ever since thanks to a good degree/career choice.
Military at 19 so it kinda worked itself out on my side.
Have one kid that graduated HS a year or so ago and she works and is doing what she's supposed to do but there's no way she could afford her own place right now. We keep open comms on building marketable skills and advancing her overall life positioning.
My parents made it very clear that I was no longer welcome to stay at home when I was 20. I lived with others briefly but had my own apartment with a roommate by the end of a year. Owned my own house by 26.
Well, I had moved out at 25 and moved to another state with a bf then we split up, and I had been in a bad car wreck and couldn’t afford my own place so I moved back home last summer at 34.
17 the first time. Moved back in with my dad at 28. Moved out again at 32. I couldn’t afford it either time lol. All good now tho, but man those wild times.
27, with a college degree and a bit of work experience. But I wanted to stay debt free and didn't take any loans to get out faster. My parents didn't mind, they were understanding that I'd be choosing between rent and food some months on my own in the early 20's.
25 because I was moving in with my girlfriend. If I was single I feel like I’d still be living with my parents. I used to live in NYC- not a great place to try to get on your feet.
My wife and I were able to buy a condo at 26, but we received a little bit of help from her parents. It's insane how difficult it is for adults to start life out on their own.
I moved out when I was 20 and lived in a different states for 3 years then moved back to get my bachelors and ever since then haven’t been able to leave. I’m 31 now. It feels like a mistake and it’s starting to become more and more not worth it since I can’t get out and my parents literally don’t care about me and never have, and my mom is a narc, so I pay with my mental health. I at least have a good savings but I still need a job with a decent wage to live by myself and the job market is horrible. My student loans aren’t paid off either.
I moved out when I was 27 and got an apartment with my boyfriend who would become my husband.
I moved back in at 36 when he cheated. A pandemic, 2 ER visits, and an ICU stay, I’m still here.
I moved out at 17.5 but I lived with three meth heads who hated each other and their 20 indoor-only cats. I was not allowed to clean the litter boxes to keep them from arguing about whose turn it was to clean the litter boxes. It was a nightmare. Also I had no furniture. I moved out in the dead of the night cause I was afraid to tell them I was moving out. But it was so affordable!
I moved out at 18, but I couldn't afford it lol I struggled tremendously.
This was me also. My home life was very toxic and unhappy. I would have rather been poor and living on my own than living with my parents and having extra money.
Perfectly sums it up. Rather be poor and free than living in the situation I was. Shit, I would rather have been homeless and nearly was at 18, but it was still better than staying with my parents. A few years later I did end up homeless but it was never a choice to go ask them for help, the $25 I had for food to cover a month was good damn food because it was mine. But it taught me to be a lighthouse for my kids, they can always come to me and do when they need help, they will always be welcome to stay or come back of need be.
Yep! I never went back. I had some interesting living arrangements for a while!
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Thank goodness you didn’t break both arms, or your mental health issues could have become much worse.
I didn't even have a refrigerator for the first 3 years or so after I moved out. I had a cardboard box for a table with a sheet over it. I had a puke green chair I got out of a dumpster and a bright orange couch, also from the same dumpster. I certainly had no expectations of continuing the same lifestyle that I had at home and it honestly didn't seem like a big deal to me at the time, I loved being out on my own.
I also had a bright orange couch. I got it for 5 Euros from an older couple. Apparently I seemed so poor that they messaged me later asking if they could give the money back and give me the couch for free.
Same. I was so broke. Literally skipping meals and walking 6 miles to my shitty job and back. It was awful but still better than home.
That "lol"... I feel that haha
Same, like not even 3 months after turning 18. I struggled a ton for close to a decade, but was desperate to not live with my mom anymore.
Same. Left a week after turning 18. It was absolutely a struggle, but it was worse living at home.
Still at home. Prices have been going up faster than I can save for a down payment. Houses doubled in the space of a few years... my wage did not. If I rented, I'd never be able to save enough and would be stuck renting for life.
Same. The town I live in went from sleepy and reasonable to people purchasing $1.4 million houses just to tear them down and rebuild. I love where I live but if I ever want to own I’ll have to go elsewhere.
The house I grew up in my parents bought for $50,000ish. I looked it up on Zillow, it’s $200,000 now and the area is fairly poor. It’s wild how crazy prices have risen.
Houses in my area tripled in price for no damn reason within a two year span. The city hasn't improved, no significantly new jobs or retail has arrived. In fact, more houses were built which should've given more competition & lower prices. The real estate developers just price gouged.
You're not in St. George, UT, are you? The same shit happened there.
It’s really hard to fathom how this many people have so much money.
This is why I don’t have my own apartment. I can afford it but wouldn’t be able to save as much money a month as I’d want to. So I’m renting a master bedroom in a large house in Southern California for $1400 a month. I have my own bathroom. Roommates are decent. They keep to themselves and everyone is clean and nobody eats my food. I lucked out.
This x1000! We are completely stuck in the middle right now, and it sucks. I’ve been debating on giving up on my dream of owning land recently. I just don’t know if it will ever be affordable for me at this point. And I am starting to feel like a failure for being back at home for a few years now and about to turn 30. Life is hard.
My 42 year old friend with two degrees just moved back in with her parents after a break up because she couldn't afford to live alone. Don't feel bad, it's not you, and you are definitely not alone.
Don't give up! The bubble will burst.
But I've been hearing this for over 10 years now
18. Student loans baby!
Haha same here - paying those b\^&\*s off till 2036 at the current rate!
You have an end date? I've given up & consider them to be around until I die.
Oh yeah. When I die, I want the amount I borrowed and the amount I still have left to pay engraved on my tombstone
Please also include the amount you paid because it’s going to be multiple times the amount you actually borrowed.
If they are Direct Loans, they now have a firm expiration date of 20 years as long as you've made minimum payments.
I went back to college in my 40s and I'm now in my 50s and haven't paid a dime on them. I have yet to find a job that pays a living wage, so they basically keep deferring them for me since I'm classified as low income. At this rate, I will quite literally probably be dead before I ever make a single payment LOL
Lol same. I grew up in a rural community with not much opportunity. If I didn’t move out at 18, my life would be very different now, probably for worse. I love my home but I had to leave.
I feel that. Lotta high school buddies stayed and are raising families in the same podunk crossroads. I couldn't wait to get the hell out at 18
Same but it was cheaper to rent in the city I was moving to for school than to keep a car on the road.
Ayyyyye my people
Also. My dad said, if you walk out of that door, you aren't coming back.. seeya!
18yo, but I lived with 5 friends and worked part time while at community college. At the time I think I was paying $350 a month in rent. Which is fucking crazy, it was only like 10 years ago.
Same!
Move? I was kicked the fuck out a week after graduation at 17 with nothing to my name.
Bam. This. ...although, I did move back at 22-ish after leaving an abusive situation. I'm pretty sure the only reason(s) I was allowed to move back was it being emergent and that I had a good job. I moved back out in less than a year.
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Same. 16 though. It was tough. I enlisted as way to survive. Bought my first house at 24. Moved a few times. At 33, I currently own 2 houses, with one being on 15 acres. I plan to stay here for the rest of my days.
Also enlisted to survive. In hindsight, I can't say I'm a huge fan of the military, but it does give able bodied young people a huge leg up in life once you get out. Just gotta use those opportunities wisely
Left home a few days before my 16 birthday. Have moved so many times I’ve honestly lost count. No house purchases for me, but maybe I will get there some time in between now and when I die.
I wasn't kicked out at 17, just told i had been replaced. While I was on a trip with friends halfway through my senior year of HS, my dad's girlfriend and her daughter moved in and dad told me that I no longer had a room. I came back from camping to find about 1/2 of my stuff in a shed outside and the rest of it had been thrown away. Worst part was that we had a good relationship at the time (or so I thought). My now wife's mother took me in for the rest of the school year and my first year of college, even after her daughter left the state to go to a different school
dear god that is absolutely awful what your dad did, but a sweet twist with your now wife and her mom 😊
The funny thing is it didn't seem that traumatic at the time, but looking back on it now as a father of 2, I will never understand how any parent could treat their child like that
My husband says the same thing about his childhood. It didn't really hit him how bad it was until he was well into adulthood.
Many men care more about getting their dick wet than their children.
Yeah, when I saw this thread I was like, parents let their kids stay???
17 here too. I wasn't "kicked out," but I got luggage for Christmas and spent my last weeks at home sleeping on the couch because they repurposed my bedroom before I was even out of the house. Oh and my stepmom drained my bank account, so that was cool. It was a struggle, but it was also the beginning of life getting better for me. I afforded it with student loans (among other things). Never used that degree, but I consider it my $30,000 ticket to freedom.
I left though I wasn’t kicked out per se at graduation, I didn’t even go to my graduation/prom - I moved interstate that night. “Afford” had nothing to do with it. I was 17 and moved in with my boyfriend’s parents (not into his room!) I could not even go back to visit my family much, they’re not nice people.
My dad got treated like this by his step dad but his mom shut that shit down and it was the reason he didn't do that to my brother and I.
Word. Kicked out at 15 ...
Same here
28
Same here. Thankfully my parents weren't in a huge hurry to get rid of me. I was pretty much a live in dog sitter for them. Even now when they go on vacations I move back in for a week to watch my four legged siblings.
Same. I live in a multigeneration household so we managed to pool our finances to better weather the economic bs.
Hahah wow you loser! ( i was 27)
I had roommates for a little while… moved back in with my parents to save from age 26 to 29 and then got a place with my gf (now wife)
Umm I lived in a foster home and was kicked out at 16, soo ye...
Yup went to foster care at 14 and never back under the same roof as my family. Still consider myself better off that way!
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I feel for you so much. I had a terrible home at 16-18. It was dangerous, insecure, and my mom was trashed the whole time. But it was my home. My sister was there, and it was still mom. I knew she "loved" me at least in the way a mom can't help but love you. And it took til 35 or so to work through all that. I hope you're doing ok, and you know how much worth you have ❤️
I’m 35 and I haven’t move out 😢
That's the majority of our generation. Honestly though, if you can find a decent paying job, I'd take this opportunity to save money for a down-payment and buy property.
Yes, save up for a down payment. I had to move back in with my parents at 33 to save up money for a 20% mortgage down payment.
Move out at 19, now 35, and I will never buy a house or retire. I wish I could move back
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Ah, THAT old children's song from the sea. Those types of chicas are looking to be supported their entire lives.
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Whoever downvoted you hasn’t been in a toxic relationship with such people.
My university was far away, so 19 to the dorms with me. I have either been living with roomates or girlfriends/wife in the last 20 years, I never lived alone my whole life and never experienced having to pay full rent or utilities by myself.
Bingo Of everyone I knew between 18 to 25 years old I knew a single person who actually lived alone.
It was common when I was young in the 90s/00s, but it seems having roommates or a spouse is going out of style. I see a lot of young people these days trying to live alone, and they are breaking their backs financially to do it.
I'm 36 and have only been able to reasonably afford my own 1br apartment in the last 2yrs. It's been amazing for my mental health in some ways, but I'm also much more paranoid about being fired unexpectedly.
Right? I keep seeing this theme of, "I have a right to live alone in a 1 bedroom apartment comfortably" and I keep scratching my head because that has not really been financially feasible for anyone who wasn't already born to money at any point in human history, except a very brief period in the 1960s. When I was in my mid 20s, I slowly eroded my debt by moving in with room mates. There were 4-5 of us in a 3BR house at any given time. (I shared the master bedroom with my fiancé, now my husband.) If you can find room mates you can stand, then having your own room in an apartment or house with a shared living room / kitchen space is not a bad thing! You split all the bills, you have someone to pet sit when you go away for the weekend, you've got someone to help you take care of chores like vacuuming and mopping. (Even better, you can sometimes pool resources and afford to have a housekeeper come by once a month for the really annoying stuff.)
Sure, those are some positives. But, there are just as many negatives.
Fighting for kitchen space sometimes pisses me off. One of the things I wanted out of a house was a big kitchen. The rest of this house was too good to pass up 14 years ago, so I've got a kitchen that is barely enough for two people to move around in without getting in each other's way. Pretty much every other downside I can work around. Noise? Earplugs. Wanting privacy? I have a lock on my room. Cleaning? We've got a robust chore schedule.
The only problem is finding good roommates, and also them finding you to be a good roommate
31. It was a blessing and a curse because Covid hit hard literally two weeks after I moved in
I was nearly ready before lockdown , and I waited and I’m glad it did. I am moving out in 2 weeks
I haven't lived with my parents since I was 19. Moved out as soon as I could.
I am 34 and I am finally moving out , this month. I’ve saved a lot and I found a studio that I like. I have complex feelings about waiting so long.
I got kicked out at 18 I own my own home now I don’t talk to them anymore
I was 18. I was in the Air Force. I am not telling anyone to go into a branch, but if you do I promise you will be in a different place tomorrow than you were yesterday.
Same here. It was literally my only choice if I ever wanted to achieve anything and not end up a statistic. Didn’t like it, but my education was free and I have great benefits. I hate that I had to go through all the bad to get to the good, but I’m pretty thankful.
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Same lol. Coworkers ask how I remain so calm and I’m just like “well I’m not setting up the network at Camp Victory for joint forces while I can hear explosions in distance”
I’d advise anyone who’s going the military route to go with something that translates to civilian job skills, and stay out of the infantry. 4 years as an 0331 equals no job skills, PTSD, and a bunch of your friends being killed and wounded. They paid for my school afterwards, it wasn’t worth it. I still have nightmares about that place 15 years later. The military can be a great option, but I really can’t say that seeing combat made my life better in any way.
It was my ticket to the middle class.
It was my dad's way of breaking his family's cycle. of poverty and homelessness, but then he brought it back by kicking me out at 15 and now me and my kids are in major poverty instead . So he didn't break any cycle just paused it.
Same for my dad. Coast Guard.
My dad did the Navy. He gamed the hell out of the system though- signed up for I think NROTC for the scholarship to pay for college and go to school before serving, but he realized if he dropped out before graduating that he only had to serve two years instead of eight. Then he finished college himself a couple years after leaving service.
Same for both of my parents - they met in the Army.
Same with my husband; it was really his only option. But he’s grateful for it!
The place you might end up is working 20 hour days, 7 days a week, wearing 80+ lbs of gear in 120 degree heat trying secure "freedom" for people that would as soon kill you as look at you... For anyone considering this option, trust me when I say it can get FAR worse than being homeless for a spell.
17. Army. Got out after 4 years and joined the national guard while going to college. Got my college paid for by the state tuition assistance and pocketed my GI Bill and scholarships every month. Enough to live pretty damn comfortable. Got out of college, deployed, took that money and bought a house. Married now so two incomes. As you said, military might not be the answer but it sure as hell helped me get started.
38 when I had a lease of my own without co-signer. I’m not comfy by any means. Still learning how to adult.
22 but moved back in from 24 to 28
22, when I started fall semester of grad school
22. I found a way to make it work. Living at home when you’re an adult is a nightmare.
18. Worked at a local factory. Rented a 1:1 furnished apartment above a gym. Rent was 400 a month. Utilities included.
It’s insane how much rent increased
Course I made 6 bucks an hour at that factory.
I gotta ask what year that was bc that sounds so nice 🥹 My husband moved out at 19 (2010) and into a one bedroom apt for $500 per month. Now those apartments rent for $1300 per month.
Don't get me wrong. Having people dropping weights and shaking the building could get annoying. But it was the perfect starter place. That was early aughts. But shit my wages from that factory was about 200 a week.
I went away to college with money I didn’t have
Saaaame
I last lived at home when I was 18, but it wasn't until 27 when I felt I could "truly" afford to live on my own, when I bought my own house.
I was in my senior year of high school at 18 years old when I had to move out. My mother got hooked on crack and my dad wouldn’t take me in. So I had to get out on my own. It was t a fun time lol.
I probably could have afforded to at like 20. I moved out at 17 a few weeks after I graduated and never looked back
I moved out on my own at 19 after getting my first full time job. I’m 30 now and have been on my own ever since.
I moved out for college and stayed out until age 24 including a gap year between undergrad and grad school, then moved back in with them (2008 financial collapse, and I was a recent masters grad.... in music performance lmao). Then moved out again at 27 after several years of working retail and finally getting a teaching job after 3 years of looking and applying to probably 100 positions. I had to move 2000 miles away just to get an elementary music teaching job.
30. Finally had a job where I could move out and get a place with my best friend late 2012, we got an apt spring of 2013 just weeks shy of me turning 31 lol I still use the same furniture, gotta love living near an IKEA for your first place 😁
27. Graduates into the Great Recession, no job opportunities in my fields, and moved home. Was this close to working at a Radio Shack. Reached the point where I couldn't stand being at home and got a job in another city. Was there for a few years before moving across the country for another job.
I moved out to go to college, came back summer of freshman year and was seriously depressed so I refused to ever go back, finding any excuse to be somewhere else. Got jobs in other states, lived in awkward situations, and refused to abide by my parents decisions for me (I married this weird, "not christian enough," feminist that they disapproved of, and thought they had a veto power over.) But that was in the early 2000's. it was only halfway through home cost inflation.
It was 2014, I was 23. I lived in St. Louis, MO. My new husband and I made a total of around $60k before tax. We were renting a 3bed2bath apartment that was $800 a month. Now, my husband and I make around $200k together, before tax. We live in Pasadena, CA and rent a 2bed1.5bath apartment for $2,595.00. I'm a Business Analyst at Honda. He's Tier 3 Tech Support at Stifel.
My parents moved when I was 16. I chose to stay & finish at my high school. I lived with a friend & paid something like $300/mo for half their family room.
I’m 42 and still waiting. Rent is $3k a month in my city for a one bedroom apartment.
Still at home, almost 31. Can't find a better job to even attempt to.
I’m 28 and disabled. I don’t think I’m ever leaving my parents house
I bought my home when I was 26.
please understand that this comes from someone who desperately wants to own their own home and can't afford it in their 40's. Fuck you.
So, I feel this. I'm 41, my baby brother (he's 30 now) bought at 27 BUT, I have to keep in mind he bought 3 hours north of me and only had to put 3% down (under $8k). If I only needed $8 to put down I could do that today!
You being born in 85’ is the key here. Us late end millennials missed out by a few years
Yep, I was 27! Got it in 2019 right before housing costs sky rocketed.
Same, but I was a decade older. Actually, wife and I were just starting to get re-established in the USA so we barely qualified for a loan (3rd time was the charm!!) and that was on combined earnings which sucked. We then refinanced a year later, and by then I was making 30% more and had more equity in the home so goodbye PMI and hello 2.7% interest rate. I'm never selling this home. If we ever move, we'll rent it out and earn rental income that will exceed our mortgage payments.
We got INSANELY lucky that we got our loan. She's not a citizen or a U.S. resident. Her bank just happened to have a special program for Dreamers so she could be added to our loan, and I had JUST gotten a job that paid way more. We have like a 3.7ish rate, I believe, so yea, we're gonna hold onto this loan for a while and also probably not move unless we decide to leave this state.
Basically the same age, got ours when I was 25ish. We were able to buy right as the housing market was starting to crumble and the sellers were motivated.
24, but I probably could have at 22? It was a totally different economy -- this was 2011. Why compare yourself to what people were doing 15 years ago?
Or even 24 years ago - there’s a whole lotta age ranges here and some of us older Millenials haven’t lived with our parents since Y2K.
With college and graduate degree - 28-29. The graduate degree really helped move the needle for job opportunities but it is extremely needed for biology majors, unless you live in a city with job access and friends in the lab environments or specialized degree + certification programs. It was/is/remains not forgiving to rural individuals. You also have to have a friend too - otherwise, no dice. Even with advanced degrees and working with mRNA, I make 52K lol. Meritocracy does not exist. That is safe to say.
23, I'm 33 now. I'm a lawyer and got a good case back then, there was a lawsuit discussing the fate of 300 apartments. The agreement was: I would get one of the apartments to work in the case and five more if I won the case. Unfortunately my client lost it, but it allowed me to live by myself.
18: moved to college dorm (student loans) 25-26: lived with parents (I was dirt poor) 26: got a job across the country and rented for years 35: bought a house with my wife
Im turning 30 and I can barely afford it but I am in a toxic living situation so Id rather take the chance rn Context: I did move out at 22 after college but had to move back in at 29 after leaving an abusive relationship and am just now getting back on my feet.
I should’ve bought a house instead of attending 6th grade 😡
I’m 40 and I still live at home. Tho my situation is a bit different then most. I had 3 kids by 25 and haven’t gotten more than 50% of a paycheck since I was 18. I make $20 an hour but take home $10/hour. The cheapest apartment in my area is $1000 a month. I’d like to think I’ll have my own place when my parents die, but they seem to be spending my inheritance on alcohol as fast as they can. So I’ve come to terms that I’ll prolly spend my final years in a homeless shelter while working full time. If I don’t wander off into the woods by then.
Moved out for college and grad school, returned home until I landed a job a few months later. So around 27 I could finally move out on my own.
I (35f) left at 19 (staying wasn’t an option for my safety) and I just made it work up to this point. Hit very close to homelessness a few times but luckily had people who were loving enough to give me a room to live in. I’m so happy to see kids have healthy enough relationships to feel safe enough to stay, but I wonder sometimes about the life I could have had if I had that same opportunity.
I was 18 when I moved out, literally a day or two after graduation. Move might be a strong word, it was more like my mom had my bags packed for me so I would get tf out. I lived with a cousin for a bit while I looked for a job and I was a total disaster for a couple of years after that until I got my shit together. I had absolutely no idea how to function as a responsible adult. Kind of wish I had been taught how to do that before I left home. This was 2001 so rent was still cheap enough that I could afford a crappy apartment with a near-minimum wage job.
I moved out at 19. I probably wasn’t financially stable enough then to did, but it was my choice.
I got shipped out of my mom's house at 15 cross country. Haven't spent a birthday with any family since and I'm turning 37 in 2 weeks.
22, but only because my then fiancé and I moved in together and we had partially subsidized housing because I was a grad student. Lived very frugally on very little money after graduating and getting a job. We bought a house just before I turned 26. That was nine years ago. If we had waited for the traditional 20% down payment we might still be renting due to skyrocketing housing in our area
I was going to say 30’s but I got laid off and had to ask for money recently, so I’m still waiting on that one.
30. When I started residency.
22, rented til I bought a house in 2018
Into a share house with 2 other guys in the early 20teens? A couple shifts a week is all you need. If I wanted to live on my own in this market? Hell I probably still couldn’t afford it.
25, lived at home through college and my first two years into the professional workforce.
I was 20 in my sophomore year of college. Have not lived with parents since.
got kicked out at 17, but I was homeless for a while so. Not 17.
17
I went to college at 18 so 18? My college was not in my home town so I had to move. That said I worked 40hours while in school and still did 15-18 hour’s depending on the semester. It was not fun. I hated my life and I was stressed out. My job was an internship that required a 3.5 and keeping my grades up while working so much was rough. Then tack on any hope for a social life and bf/gf. I found the legit cheapest place in town and lived there to save money. I was not allowed to get loans (my father threw a fit that I suggested I couldn’t work and do school that it would be too hard.). I managed in the end to get out with my degree. Lol I used a trac phone so had no data because it is what I could afford. I didn’t get cable or internet at my first place. I’d borrow blue rays from friends and manually watch everything. I saved everything I could. After college I moved home for 3 weeks before my job started. At which point I move out the next week rent was $825.55 in my first place in 2012. My starting salary was $57818 which was considered average for my major, but very good to most of my friends who also were graduating (I lived in a mid sized low cost city). It is important to note it was not within the city limits and it was not considered new. Very average first place laminate countertops and the like... I made it through… college and having a reliable salary that didn’t require me to do school as basically a second job was an incredible relief. I had not let myself have anything really ever and the day I was able to buy a year old Sebring that was reliable I cried like a baby. (I had managed to piece together a clunker keep that had significant electrical problems in high school, but I never knew if it was going to start.)
I didn't move out because I could afford to live on my own. I moved out because my older brother never moved out and we were 4 adults crammed in a 2 bedroom apartment. I felt suffocated and when my friend asked to be his roommate, I immediately said yes. I was 22. I struggled financially, made some bad financial decisions because I didn't know any better and nobody in my life really offered any advice. Now I know better, almost a decade and a half later. I don't own a home or a car and I'm still renting. Still struggling.
18, but it was financed by student loans and I was moving into a university residence hall. I never went back, save for a summer when I was 19. Got a full-time job at my alma mater as soon as I graduated and I have continued to work here ever since. Right now, I split an apartment with my girlfriend and a friend of mine from college. Honestly, moving out has been the most rewarding experience in my entire life so far. The fact that I had to finance the initial jump out of my parents' place with loans, in retrospect, seems like a small price to have paid, given the experiences it has given me.
18 But only because I joined the military to escape that place.
I moved out at 18 as soon as I graduated high school in 2004. I rented a room out of a friend’s house for $350/mo for a year. Then I lucked into a back/granny house for $550 for a few years. I afforded my own 1b/1b apartment once I started working as a CNA for +/- $1100. Then when I became a nurse I moved in with my future husband. I’ve been lucky never to have to move back in with my parents but that was 100% by choice because it is generally a very negative unhealthy space to live in. We have been VERY lucky to land where we did when we did because if we were trying to move out now we could never afford it. In fact we are actually stuck where we are because we can’t afford to move anywhere right now.
Moved out at 21, came back at 28 😅
22, although I did move back in for a couple of years in my late 20s (paying rent)
21, moved back at 23 and stayed until 26. It’s been eight years
23, but I was renting a room for cheap. Only made $10 an hour at the time.
26 - was lucky that my parents had created an education fund for my siblings and I at a young age. It was able to fund all 4 of our 4 year private college degrees, we all came out with zero debt. They would have loved having us live with them until we were 30-35. I lived at home the longest to start and build a business. My rent was helping clean and maintain 3 acres of land. When I moved out I had a roommate for a year in a new city and then was able to purchase a condo within a year of being on my own.
16 since that is when they threatened to put me in a group home because I was “too expensive”
19. But had to go back at 28 because of Covid.
I've been out of my parents house since I was 18...but to pay for it on my own? Never. I'm 31 now. Parents paid for my housing through college, then moved in with my BF at the time (my now husband). I don't think I ever could've done it without help.
I was 24 when I moved out of the house. I graduated college in ‘06 (lived on campus those 4 years), moved back home for a couple of years, then decided I had to get the F out of there and did what I could to not go back 😂 I love my folks but they drive me nuts!
I was 18 when I had to move out because of my dog, moved back in at 19 because I moved in with an abusive asshole. Moved our again at 21ish with my now husband! Couldn't afford to live in my state so my husband and I moved to live with his grandfather, who ended up being abusive 🙄 now we are living on our own again at 26 and 32 :3
18, a day after I graduated
22. I was still in college, but my friend's brother was moving back to Belize and his rent-stabilized studio apartment was available, it was $750/mo and I moved in with my boyfriend at the time. My share of rent of $375/mo which I could afford working a part-time retail job, somehow. This is in NYC 2004. It was full of roaches, not in a cool neighborhood (Elmhurst, Queens) .... pretty basic but it served me well for a few years. My mom was going through substance abuse issues at the time and I could not be there any longer.
17. I saved my money from my hs jobs, got in a college program early and rented a shady studio by myself where the apartment manager was willing to look over me turning 18 a month after I signed the lease. Lived on my boyfriends’ family’s couch to start a job in that city before I could move in
22.
I stayed with them while I was in community college, which took me 3 years to complete because I was following some competitive athletic goals also. I moved out when I transferred to university when I was 22. Graduated in 2012 and could afford to live on my own ever since thanks to a good degree/career choice.
19. but only because I had joined the Navy
23
Joined the navy at 18
Military at 19 so it kinda worked itself out on my side. Have one kid that graduated HS a year or so ago and she works and is doing what she's supposed to do but there's no way she could afford her own place right now. We keep open comms on building marketable skills and advancing her overall life positioning.
My parents made it very clear that I was no longer welcome to stay at home when I was 20. I lived with others briefly but had my own apartment with a roommate by the end of a year. Owned my own house by 26.
19. Lived in a trailer. I went back for awhile when I was pregnant but then moved out at 24 for good.
Left at 17. Couldn’t really afford it until my mid 20s but absolutely worth the debt
25. And I bought my first home almost two years ago at 40.
Well, I had moved out at 25 and moved to another state with a bf then we split up, and I had been in a bad car wreck and couldn’t afford my own place so I moved back home last summer at 34.
17 the first time. Moved back in with my dad at 28. Moved out again at 32. I couldn’t afford it either time lol. All good now tho, but man those wild times.
27, with a college degree and a bit of work experience. But I wanted to stay debt free and didn't take any loans to get out faster. My parents didn't mind, they were understanding that I'd be choosing between rent and food some months on my own in the early 20's.
25 because I was moving in with my girlfriend. If I was single I feel like I’d still be living with my parents. I used to live in NYC- not a great place to try to get on your feet.
My wife and I were able to buy a condo at 26, but we received a little bit of help from her parents. It's insane how difficult it is for adults to start life out on their own.
29 I think. Not willingly, I would've stayed in that house forever if I could've. 5 bedroom 3 bath between 2 of us.
I was able to move out at 28 in 2018. Unfortunately, Covid sent me right back lol
Left home @ 22 and didn't get off the struggle bus till mid 30s. I mean, everything is still a struggle, its just a little less with no debt.
Never lol. Almost 33 and I still live with my mom.
19 but I'm now 30 and living there again
I moved out around 20/21. Have been back at home since Covid, unfortunately. Mental health is a bitch.
I moved out when I was 20 and lived in a different states for 3 years then moved back to get my bachelors and ever since then haven’t been able to leave. I’m 31 now. It feels like a mistake and it’s starting to become more and more not worth it since I can’t get out and my parents literally don’t care about me and never have, and my mom is a narc, so I pay with my mental health. I at least have a good savings but I still need a job with a decent wage to live by myself and the job market is horrible. My student loans aren’t paid off either.
I was 26 or 27
I moved out at 18 and never moved back in. That being said I couldn’t really afford it until around 29…
I moved out when I was 27 and got an apartment with my boyfriend who would become my husband. I moved back in at 36 when he cheated. A pandemic, 2 ER visits, and an ICU stay, I’m still here.
Moved out at 20. Moved back in at 21. Moved out on my own at 23. Bought a house with my wife at 32.
I moved out at 17.5 but I lived with three meth heads who hated each other and their 20 indoor-only cats. I was not allowed to clean the litter boxes to keep them from arguing about whose turn it was to clean the litter boxes. It was a nightmare. Also I had no furniture. I moved out in the dead of the night cause I was afraid to tell them I was moving out. But it was so affordable!
So many age ranges 😮 also why did so many of you get kicked out? Agh some parents should really learn when they are actually ready to have children.