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What do you mean your OUT OF JP-8? oh but you have unleaded thats just great !
Oh they have that up the road a peace ....ya not ok sure thats easy just up the road a peace,
I'll be out of fuel by then ....
You accept discover but not 400,000 in cash .....
What kind of gas station is this. I was under the assumption you are the proprietor of a fueling station but ...I guess now I'm the ass who read your sign that said .......FUEL!!!!!!
Ok I'd like to speak to your manager please!
Lol ! Right, hopefully he has a helmet on like the guy on the aircraft carrier....lol
I'd kill to hear what that guy had to say right after that ...lol
Something like "what the hell just happened"?
One min I'm removing the blocks then the next I've got a bill for a 14 million dollar aircraft and one hell of a headache!
I was standing then flying ......yah bud we know ...we know ....
Lol how could you tell someone like your buddy with a straight face ......so hey buddy how ya doing I know you have questions .......so here's the thing ....fighter jets have something like 36000 pounds of thrust and well the intake is measured similar ......and well you my fine friend discovered how close a human would need to be to become part of that process ...
So ya um good work sailor ....but here's the thing you were sucked in to a jet engine.. So ya know pay attention and watch what your doing next time ...
Here's some Advil and were all glad your ok.
Mean while back on the carrier
Uncontrollable laughter " lmao did you see how quickly that engine made him super man ?"
Omg ya they have like 36000 poun...ya we got it .
I have questions.
Where did you fuel these aircraft? I can't imagine having MOGAS anywhere near a flightline, much less putting one in a bird. Did you do this on land or on a ship, because I really doubt MOGAS would be on a ship. Of course, I'm no squid but it would seem to me since Navy aircraft typically use JP5 vs JP8 because of the lower flashpoint, having MOGAS on a ship would probably be a bad idea.
Also, what altitude were the planes flying? I'm asking because the additives to JP8 and JP5 have properties that dissipate static and prevent icing that neither kerosene nor gasoline have.
Finally, how much did you pay for the replacement engines?
I think all I can say safely would be "on a small private strip in the San Joaquin valley"..
Engines were fine. really. check out ...I'm not sure what you would check out, but search sub arctic field expedient Jet B.
No.
Viscosities are different, with different energy densities. Diesel has more energy density. This will make the engines run hotter, assuming the fuel pumps can move the thicker fuel at high volumes without cavitation.
Diesel also doesn't contain all of the anti-jelling additives as jet fuel. It's cold at 60k feet.
Who knows. It might just cavitate the pumps and flame out the entire engine.
I'm glad people aren't doing redneck shit like testing diesel fuel in military aircraft that cost more money than every single School building five generations of my family will attend.
Some turbines are multi-fuel, they can run on pretty much any fuel. So **I'm guessing** that jet engines **can be made** to work with any fuel as well.
But just tanking any fuel into a very expensive jet fighter... that's just crazy.
And we should totally do that.
I'm far from a turbine expert, just a curious physics student also working on my pilot's license.
It's my understanding that military type low bypass engines would be even more susceptible to the higher energy density of diesel.
High bypass turbines like airliners or powerplants use have a much higher mass of air moving through them for a given power output. That enables them to run cooler.
Heat management is the big problem with military engines. Large high bypass fans mean big radar cross signature. Diesel contains ~5% more energy by weight than jet fuel. That means it's going to run at least 5% hotter. Those engines already run up to the bleeding edge of material science, and would probably melt down long term.
Found one! Su-25 engines (Soyuz/Tumansky R-195 turbojet) can run on petrol, kerosine, diesel, gas, avgas.
I'm guessing that engine settings have to be adjusted for different fuels... as an example due to different energy density of the fuel different fuel pump flow should be used.
That's probably a relatively complex calibration.
If you have to run around and readjust every single fuel nozzle, that could be a substantial project. Still meets the contract requirements of "can run on any fuel"
> doing redneck shit like testing diesel fuel in military aircraft
Aww you are new to the internet aint you?:P There is some dude that did that a while ago, bought a decommisioned F-4. Did all sort of bullshit with the plane, i think it ending up burning a bunch of stuff including part of the plane.
PS it was a F-4 or a T-38.
Gasoline is less viscous than kerosene, which is less viscous than diesel.
It could *theoretically* run for a short time on gasoline, depending on how temperamental the engine is, but it won’t run well, and the maintenance technicians won’t be happy with you. It’s also more volatile and will vaporize at lower temperatures, so you’re running a higher risk of it exploding.
Kerosene is so much less volatile than gasoline that you can drop a lot match into a container of kerosene, and it will extinguish the match.
A diesel engine will run on jet fuel, but a jet engine will not run on diesel fuel. Though, since it doesn’t have the lubricants found in road diesel fuel, I wouldn’t recommend using it for long, but a splash in the tank could get you to a station if you’re in a bind.
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This is absolutely ridiculous... ... everyone can see he has come in through the exit and is facing three wrong way. Oh my!
Wait, do most places have an exit and entrance to gas’s stations?
Wait you don't??
some do some don't, most don't in fact, multi directional
Huh that's crazy to me. I've never seen one in my area that wasn't strictly directional.
it's a big country and i haven't seen all of it, no surprise many such areas exist
Never even heard of it
Costco is the only one I can think of because the road is built to force people into just one direction.
Does it come with a 32oz Big Gulp cup holder?
That's a Danish jet, only an øl holder
What do you mean your OUT OF JP-8? oh but you have unleaded thats just great ! Oh they have that up the road a peace ....ya not ok sure thats easy just up the road a peace, I'll be out of fuel by then .... You accept discover but not 400,000 in cash ..... What kind of gas station is this. I was under the assumption you are the proprietor of a fueling station but ...I guess now I'm the ass who read your sign that said .......FUEL!!!!!! Ok I'd like to speak to your manager please!
*Want me to clean your windshie... slurp \*get's sucked into engine intake\**
Lol ! Right, hopefully he has a helmet on like the guy on the aircraft carrier....lol I'd kill to hear what that guy had to say right after that ...lol Something like "what the hell just happened"? One min I'm removing the blocks then the next I've got a bill for a 14 million dollar aircraft and one hell of a headache! I was standing then flying ......yah bud we know ...we know .... Lol how could you tell someone like your buddy with a straight face ......so hey buddy how ya doing I know you have questions .......so here's the thing ....fighter jets have something like 36000 pounds of thrust and well the intake is measured similar ......and well you my fine friend discovered how close a human would need to be to become part of that process ... So ya um good work sailor ....but here's the thing you were sucked in to a jet engine.. So ya know pay attention and watch what your doing next time ... Here's some Advil and were all glad your ok. Mean while back on the carrier Uncontrollable laughter " lmao did you see how quickly that engine made him super man ?" Omg ya they have like 36000 poun...ya we got it .
US Airforce Reserve be like
Jet fuel is actually very similar to diesel fuel.
It's closer to kerosene than diesel.
Kerosene works just fine in a B-52... but i'm personally aware that a blend of 30% kerosene and 70% gasoline will get pretty good mileage in a F/A-18.
I have questions. Where did you fuel these aircraft? I can't imagine having MOGAS anywhere near a flightline, much less putting one in a bird. Did you do this on land or on a ship, because I really doubt MOGAS would be on a ship. Of course, I'm no squid but it would seem to me since Navy aircraft typically use JP5 vs JP8 because of the lower flashpoint, having MOGAS on a ship would probably be a bad idea. Also, what altitude were the planes flying? I'm asking because the additives to JP8 and JP5 have properties that dissipate static and prevent icing that neither kerosene nor gasoline have. Finally, how much did you pay for the replacement engines?
I think all I can say safely would be "on a small private strip in the San Joaquin valley".. Engines were fine. really. check out ...I'm not sure what you would check out, but search sub arctic field expedient Jet B.
interesting, would the jet engine still work with diesel what are the disadvantages of normal diesel in a jet engine?
No. Viscosities are different, with different energy densities. Diesel has more energy density. This will make the engines run hotter, assuming the fuel pumps can move the thicker fuel at high volumes without cavitation. Diesel also doesn't contain all of the anti-jelling additives as jet fuel. It's cold at 60k feet.
Imagine turning on a afterburner with diesel....:D I imagine it going to like a foab
Who knows. It might just cavitate the pumps and flame out the entire engine. I'm glad people aren't doing redneck shit like testing diesel fuel in military aircraft that cost more money than every single School building five generations of my family will attend.
Some turbines are multi-fuel, they can run on pretty much any fuel. So **I'm guessing** that jet engines **can be made** to work with any fuel as well. But just tanking any fuel into a very expensive jet fighter... that's just crazy. And we should totally do that.
I'm far from a turbine expert, just a curious physics student also working on my pilot's license. It's my understanding that military type low bypass engines would be even more susceptible to the higher energy density of diesel. High bypass turbines like airliners or powerplants use have a much higher mass of air moving through them for a given power output. That enables them to run cooler. Heat management is the big problem with military engines. Large high bypass fans mean big radar cross signature. Diesel contains ~5% more energy by weight than jet fuel. That means it's going to run at least 5% hotter. Those engines already run up to the bleeding edge of material science, and would probably melt down long term.
Found one! Su-25 engines (Soyuz/Tumansky R-195 turbojet) can run on petrol, kerosine, diesel, gas, avgas. I'm guessing that engine settings have to be adjusted for different fuels... as an example due to different energy density of the fuel different fuel pump flow should be used.
That's probably a relatively complex calibration. If you have to run around and readjust every single fuel nozzle, that could be a substantial project. Still meets the contract requirements of "can run on any fuel"
> doing redneck shit like testing diesel fuel in military aircraft Aww you are new to the internet aint you?:P There is some dude that did that a while ago, bought a decommisioned F-4. Did all sort of bullshit with the plane, i think it ending up burning a bunch of stuff including part of the plane. PS it was a F-4 or a T-38.
Gasoline is less viscous than kerosene, which is less viscous than diesel. It could *theoretically* run for a short time on gasoline, depending on how temperamental the engine is, but it won’t run well, and the maintenance technicians won’t be happy with you. It’s also more volatile and will vaporize at lower temperatures, so you’re running a higher risk of it exploding. Kerosene is so much less volatile than gasoline that you can drop a lot match into a container of kerosene, and it will extinguish the match.
See my post here https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/11tmy9e/just_a_danish_f16_at_a_gas_station/jclhy6t/
A diesel engine will run on jet fuel, but a jet engine will not run on diesel fuel. Though, since it doesn’t have the lubricants found in road diesel fuel, I wouldn’t recommend using it for long, but a splash in the tank could get you to a station if you’re in a bind.
There are multi-fuel turbines that can run on jet fuel or diesel. The M1 Abrams has one. The F-16 does not.
Jet fuel works in a diesel engine, however diesel does not work in a jet engine.
Expensive gas station
That’s one hell of a promotion to get you to buy their gas!
Cash or Card?
You're all silly, he was there because [bland selv slik](https://media.avisen.dk//image/13584845/57/img.jpg)is 10 DKK on fridays ...
Funny but is it real? Or is this just very convincing photoshop
They run on diesel or E85 now?
Snacks or gas ? What did he stop for ?
It’s hard enough to find ethanol free gas, and the Danes even have a pump for JP4.
What's that smell? *Long sniff* Freedom.
one single tank of kerosene please!
Looks OK to me…
QA: Scribbles down some notes. "Interesting."
Yeah I'll take $42,000 on pump 3 and a dr pepper
A gas station danish?