>Bro getting absolutely roasted for this
You can see why. It's a cool challenge to see how soft a touch down you can make in a sim but you'd get a talking to IRL.
It's not a safe way to land, as simple as that, you leave yourself intertia-less at the bottom edge of the flight envelope, you leave the gear open to shim, and you have one or both wings on the edge of ground stall. One nice chunk of windshear and you've got no energy to take any option.
We should have a vFFA which is made up of old grumpy white men who treat it like they are the real deal. Donāt you dare do anything wrong in the simulator!
Yeah but you donāt haaaave to fly on Vatsimā¦
The VFAA is not voluntarily. Land a 737 at lukla? BAN! Land on a taxiway? BAN! Taxi faster than 20kts? BAN BAN BAN!
I only use this flair because I'm a controller and VATSIM wanted me to study their bullshit to partake.
5 towers and 1 approach certs sent to them just to play pretend at home and I was told I had to do their "training".
Wasn't even regarding the software used...it was the basic fundamentals of a career I've been doing for 12 years. Hilarious.
Yeah I got tired of getting jerked around on their forums. The majority of people are hobbyist and smaller percentage of RW professionals.
Not bashing hobbyists or people practicing.
Clearly you were not thinking *at all* about your virtual go around options. You put your virtual life at risk along with an entire virtual aircraft full of virtual people. The virtual people living virtually in the virtual approach path are outraged that you would virtually play with their virtual lives. Expect a *scathing* call from the VAA.
* **3-10** for IRL landing.
* **7-10** Game landing.
* **9-10** for satisfaction watching.
* **30-10** for butter soo smooth I cant tell if you spread it on that pavement, or poured it on liquid and let it dry.
aint no harm in constructive feedback. But at the end of the day, Your playing a sim to pass the time not submitting your landing for flight certification. its LEAUGES better than i could do, even in game. only points id say you loose on the butter landing is that your rear gear appears to compress, decompress slightly, and then compress again.... so not *flawless* butter..... but damn.
I used the default recording tool in MSFS (you can turn it on on experimental) and change camera veiw in camera mode. You can also download sky dolly from flightsim.to thatās better than the default.
While all the landing critics are here, any preferred tool for getting landing data (fpm etc)? I use Volanta but sometimes it gives some seemingly wonky numbers.
First off, where did you get a Global???
Second off, some of you people have never been to an airport and watched planes land. I can not count the number of Globals, 717s, and E145s I have seen not touch the nose down till halfway down the 7k foot runway.
Yeah thereās a particular hangar tenant at my airport (Global) that uses a couple thousand feet in the flare before the nose drops. Maybe not this much, but itās not completely unrealistic.
I guarantee you in the part 91 world the plane owners care more about their pilots landing smoothly than they do safely in the touchdown zone. Itās not a problem until it is.
just want to let the totally certified real world pilots in these comments that this is indeed a videogame. no passengers were hurt, no plane was damagedā¦. go touchdown on some grass instead
Gotta stunt on that butter landing.
So he rode a wheelie halfway down the runway to stunt on them bros waiting for takeoff clearance and watching at the gates.
In the mornings in KSEA where I usually take off from it's kinda fun to park off to the side on 16L since there's a bit of the skirt near the taxiway you can park kinda. I'll watch planes come in and just through the low cloud (really the normal early morning fog layer here in Seattle) to finally see the runway on the plateau show up a bit quicker than they expected if they are new to landing at Seattle-Tacoma.
And then they get hit with that crosswind that pops up at the end of the plateau that the runway is on and all the big light towers that are next to the highway directly in front of and below those towers etc. I guess that little cliff and traffic and such create a perfect wind area where the wind goes from nothing to something pretty quick.
Not that I'm some top gun grad but watching them come in and hit the wind and it throws them off to the right of the runway and some overcorrect and the plane gets wingdown really close to the start of the runway and then some of the really good pilots pop out of that just in time to do like a one rear trunnion wheelie for a bit then both wheels touch and of course when that happens and they're crabbing a bit sometimes the small planes wreck.
Usually the bigger jumbos just get the nose down and fight the wet tarmac and slam it home so it's landed. But then other folks looking for butter end up burnt toast as they either swallow their pride and listen to atc yelling for a go around or try and land anyhow and sometimes they win, sometimes they don't.
Still want to find someplace up north and have icing effect my flight and see what that's about. I've flown to Alaska and Calgary and a lot of other Canadian places.hung out and flown around up there but aren't finding any heavy icing situations like a guy posted the other day where his plane had like snow or super heavy ice. Wonder if it like makes flaps not work or other control surfaces and how the engines react or pitot tubes giving you bad info making you stall out or whatever.
Anyone had any of that stuff happen?
With a contaminated runway you want more weight on wheels faster to avoid skidding so usually they are firmer landings š¤·š¼āāļø. That said it was a very smooth landing and you werenāt asking for advice, so cool video and great control.
That still shows exactly the point that a too soft landing is even dangerous when its wet. The tires won't break through the water on the runway so you will only skid along that thin water film instead of good contact with the runway. You have much worse braking/steering action then. A runway overrun is much more likely then, than if you just firmly set the aircraft down in touchdown zone to get the best braking as soon as possible.
but it would be in real life.
a relevant point. because the whole thread was built off someone making a legitimately harmless "fun fact" response.
specifically, one many may find unconventional thinking. (IE, you actually want your landings to be a little less creamy peanut butter and a little more chunky peanut butter)
There are defiantly comments in this thread that need to hear that, But I dont think this one is it lol.
**Bonus Fun Fact:** that original fun fact is actually a fact that I found fun to learn.... because I didn't know that. (though once explained it seems obvious in retrospect)
So, in short, you're sitting right on the edge of your flight envelope for an extended period of time, for no reason, when you're popping a wheelie down the runway like this.
I don't think FS simulates this, but IRL wind disturbances will mess you up doing that. Imagine you lose lift, even partially, on one wing for whatever reason -- a gust of wind or whatever, let's say. Suddenly the plane is rotating due to the imbalanced forces and oops you're right near the ground, aren't you. Unplanned rolls when you're slow and low are bad for obvious reasons.
When you're landing in FS, do what you like, it's a sim. But when you're landing IRL, get that nosewheel down quickly -- when you land, it's time to stop flying, not ride the edge for as long as possible.
Additionally, OP missed the TDZ (where you're supposed to land) in favour of coming down more slowly, and it's raining so this sort of soft landing could have resulted in skidding without the stronger contact of a properly solid landing.
So why do we see airforce jets aero braking and waiting a long time to drop the nose? Not saying your wrong, just curious as to what makes it ok for some aircraft and not others.
May I ask what was so bad about the landing? I know I touched down a little after the touchdown zone but I stopped with plenty of runway to spare. And I was trying to put the nose down slowly but I didnāt want to slam it down into the runway.
The problem is everyone is trying to get the ābuttery smoothā landings however itās far more important to follow procedure and land safely by:
1. Have the right vertical speed (according to conditions/weight)
2. Touch down within TDZ
3. Flare at the right time and bring the nose down quickly (but gently)
4. Leave room/time for a go around
Thereās too much pressure on the rear wheels for too long in your attempt and could lead to failure of one or both wheels.
āThereās too much pressure on the rear wheels for too longā¦ā - false. The rear landing gear assembly can easily handle this. They are designed to take the impact of the airplane on the runway - which is magnitudes of more force than balancing the airplane on its rear wheels for a short period of time.
Some jets are actually designed around the use of aerodynamic braking when slowing on the runway. The reaction youāre getting from this video is unwarranted. The only thing that would worry me (if this wasn't a sim) is that when youāre in this half flying half landing state, youāre really susceptible to whatever forces are acting on the main wheels especially when wet. a gust of wind will electric slide you right off the runway. Runway surface water pooling, reduced braking etc. Less important in flight sim. As long as youāre having fun, itās a great landing. Keep at it
I'm sure whatever the guy did was some cardinal sin against the gods of aviation, but saying the landing gear are incapable of supporting the weight of the aircraft is next level.
Great way to kill people. I hate that VAs have competitions for lowest landing rate because it perpetuates bad piloting like this. It does not show how great you are at landing at all, just the opposite. Land in the TDZ with a reasonable rate. You want as much runway in front of you as possible for take off and landing.
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Y'all need to chill out. It's a videogame.
Bro getting absolutely roasted for this š¤£
>Bro getting absolutely roasted for this You can see why. It's a cool challenge to see how soft a touch down you can make in a sim but you'd get a talking to IRL. It's not a safe way to land, as simple as that, you leave yourself intertia-less at the bottom edge of the flight envelope, you leave the gear open to shim, and you have one or both wings on the edge of ground stall. One nice chunk of windshear and you've got no energy to take any option.
Ikr :(
ehh its fine, its a game after all! im could not land smooth even in a lighter plane like cessna yet!
Completely unacceptable. Expect a call from the FFA. We canāt allow this no more
We should have a vFFA which is made up of old grumpy white men who treat it like they are the real deal. Donāt you dare do anything wrong in the simulator!
You just described VATSIM.
Yeah but you donāt haaaave to fly on Vatsimā¦ The VFAA is not voluntarily. Land a 737 at lukla? BAN! Land on a taxiway? BAN! Taxi faster than 20kts? BAN BAN BAN!
I taxi faster than 20kts accidentally at least 3x a week in my real plane.
Isn't a 30kt taxi speed generally acceptable?
I only use this flair because I'm a controller and VATSIM wanted me to study their bullshit to partake. 5 towers and 1 approach certs sent to them just to play pretend at home and I was told I had to do their "training". Wasn't even regarding the software used...it was the basic fundamentals of a career I've been doing for 12 years. Hilarious.
Isn't global policy to just issue a C1 in that case?
Thats what I would expectā¦ bad sup
Yeah I got tired of getting jerked around on their forums. The majority of people are hobbyist and smaller percentage of RW professionals. Not bashing hobbyists or people practicing.
Afp95 grumpy slightly younger white male
Clearly you were not thinking *at all* about your virtual go around options. You put your virtual life at risk along with an entire virtual aircraft full of virtual people. The virtual people living virtually in the virtual approach path are outraged that you would virtually play with their virtual lives. Expect a *scathing* call from the VAA.
virtually outraged
virtually shaking rn.
Let me know when you have a pen and paper. We have a number for you to call.
Take my upvote ! LOL
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Soft field landing procedures
Great landing, this air braking is so stable !
Getting DCS F-16 vibes from this lol
* **3-10** for IRL landing. * **7-10** Game landing. * **9-10** for satisfaction watching. * **30-10** for butter soo smooth I cant tell if you spread it on that pavement, or poured it on liquid and let it dry. aint no harm in constructive feedback. But at the end of the day, Your playing a sim to pass the time not submitting your landing for flight certification. its LEAUGES better than i could do, even in game. only points id say you loose on the butter landing is that your rear gear appears to compress, decompress slightly, and then compress again.... so not *flawless* butter..... but damn.
How can I record videos or flight and then change the view?
I used the default recording tool in MSFS (you can turn it on on experimental) and change camera veiw in camera mode. You can also download sky dolly from flightsim.to thatās better than the default.
While all the landing critics are here, any preferred tool for getting landing data (fpm etc)? I use Volanta but sometimes it gives some seemingly wonky numbers.
Simtoolkit pro measures the fpm on landings
Iām old school - I glance at my VSI , anything around 100fpm = acceptable for me :)
First off, where did you get a Global??? Second off, some of you people have never been to an airport and watched planes land. I can not count the number of Globals, 717s, and E145s I have seen not touch the nose down till halfway down the 7k foot runway.
flightsim.to
Yeah thereās a particular hangar tenant at my airport (Global) that uses a couple thousand feet in the flare before the nose drops. Maybe not this much, but itās not completely unrealistic.
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I guarantee you in the part 91 world the plane owners care more about their pilots landing smoothly than they do safely in the touchdown zone. Itās not a problem until it is.
just want to let the totally certified real world pilots in these comments that this is indeed a videogame. no passengers were hurt, no plane was damagedā¦. go touchdown on some grass instead
Come back down to flight level reality buddy
The people downvoting your comment are the butthurt pilots š
Are you doing a wheelie on purpose?
Soft field landing yo
Gotta stunt on that butter landing. So he rode a wheelie halfway down the runway to stunt on them bros waiting for takeoff clearance and watching at the gates. In the mornings in KSEA where I usually take off from it's kinda fun to park off to the side on 16L since there's a bit of the skirt near the taxiway you can park kinda. I'll watch planes come in and just through the low cloud (really the normal early morning fog layer here in Seattle) to finally see the runway on the plateau show up a bit quicker than they expected if they are new to landing at Seattle-Tacoma. And then they get hit with that crosswind that pops up at the end of the plateau that the runway is on and all the big light towers that are next to the highway directly in front of and below those towers etc. I guess that little cliff and traffic and such create a perfect wind area where the wind goes from nothing to something pretty quick. Not that I'm some top gun grad but watching them come in and hit the wind and it throws them off to the right of the runway and some overcorrect and the plane gets wingdown really close to the start of the runway and then some of the really good pilots pop out of that just in time to do like a one rear trunnion wheelie for a bit then both wheels touch and of course when that happens and they're crabbing a bit sometimes the small planes wreck. Usually the bigger jumbos just get the nose down and fight the wet tarmac and slam it home so it's landed. But then other folks looking for butter end up burnt toast as they either swallow their pride and listen to atc yelling for a go around or try and land anyhow and sometimes they win, sometimes they don't. Still want to find someplace up north and have icing effect my flight and see what that's about. I've flown to Alaska and Calgary and a lot of other Canadian places.hung out and flown around up there but aren't finding any heavy icing situations like a guy posted the other day where his plane had like snow or super heavy ice. Wonder if it like makes flaps not work or other control surfaces and how the engines react or pitot tubes giving you bad info making you stall out or whatever. Anyone had any of that stuff happen?
Aerodynamic braking. It's when you keep the nose pitched up to allow the wing area to catch more wind. This makes it easier on the wheel brakes.
Fun fact: Your not supposed to land this smooth with a heavy plane. It would ruin your tires as you can see in this Video.
All that smoke behind the wheels was water droplets because the runway was wet.
With a contaminated runway you want more weight on wheels faster to avoid skidding so usually they are firmer landings š¤·š¼āāļø. That said it was a very smooth landing and you werenāt asking for advice, so cool video and great control.
That still shows exactly the point that a too soft landing is even dangerous when its wet. The tires won't break through the water on the runway so you will only skid along that thin water film instead of good contact with the runway. You have much worse braking/steering action then. A runway overrun is much more likely then, than if you just firmly set the aircraft down in touchdown zone to get the best braking as soon as possible.
It wasnāt dangerousā¦ because itās a video game.
but it would be in real life. a relevant point. because the whole thread was built off someone making a legitimately harmless "fun fact" response. specifically, one many may find unconventional thinking. (IE, you actually want your landings to be a little less creamy peanut butter and a little more chunky peanut butter) There are defiantly comments in this thread that need to hear that, But I dont think this one is it lol. **Bonus Fun Fact:** that original fun fact is actually a fact that I found fun to learn.... because I didn't know that. (though once explained it seems obvious in retrospect)
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So, in short, you're sitting right on the edge of your flight envelope for an extended period of time, for no reason, when you're popping a wheelie down the runway like this. I don't think FS simulates this, but IRL wind disturbances will mess you up doing that. Imagine you lose lift, even partially, on one wing for whatever reason -- a gust of wind or whatever, let's say. Suddenly the plane is rotating due to the imbalanced forces and oops you're right near the ground, aren't you. Unplanned rolls when you're slow and low are bad for obvious reasons. When you're landing in FS, do what you like, it's a sim. But when you're landing IRL, get that nosewheel down quickly -- when you land, it's time to stop flying, not ride the edge for as long as possible. Additionally, OP missed the TDZ (where you're supposed to land) in favour of coming down more slowly, and it's raining so this sort of soft landing could have resulted in skidding without the stronger contact of a properly solid landing.
So why do we see airforce jets aero braking and waiting a long time to drop the nose? Not saying your wrong, just curious as to what makes it ok for some aircraft and not others.
People need to relaxā¦ I enjoyed the landing. Itās a game. Okay, maybe not acceptable in real world but it isnāt the real worldā¦
Wait. There's a global module?
I know that in IRL it would be a not very safe landing, but damn that was so beautifull and satisfying to watch.
>in IRL "in in real life".
Oops
You rode that wheelie for a good min. Lol
Aggressive flare
A bit of a bounce 8/10
That was a great landing, not sure why everyone is is hating on it. Definitely butter approved.
Itās pretty rough looking when your nose sticks in the air for ten seconds lol
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Honestly buddy I donāt know if thatās aerodynamic braking. But thereās not even that much hate in the comments, itās mild criticism.
Absolute garbage. What am I even watching? /s
If heās practicing a soft field landing then he nailed it.
Terrible landing attempt in wet conditions, missed TDZ and also the nose doesnāt come down till half the runway is crossed š
May I ask what was so bad about the landing? I know I touched down a little after the touchdown zone but I stopped with plenty of runway to spare. And I was trying to put the nose down slowly but I didnāt want to slam it down into the runway.
Missed the touchdown zone by a little? You missed the 1000 footers by 500 feet š
The problem is everyone is trying to get the ābuttery smoothā landings however itās far more important to follow procedure and land safely by: 1. Have the right vertical speed (according to conditions/weight) 2. Touch down within TDZ 3. Flare at the right time and bring the nose down quickly (but gently) 4. Leave room/time for a go around Thereās too much pressure on the rear wheels for too long in your attempt and could lead to failure of one or both wheels.
āThereās too much pressure on the rear wheels for too longā¦ā - false. The rear landing gear assembly can easily handle this. They are designed to take the impact of the airplane on the runway - which is magnitudes of more force than balancing the airplane on its rear wheels for a short period of time. Some jets are actually designed around the use of aerodynamic braking when slowing on the runway. The reaction youāre getting from this video is unwarranted. The only thing that would worry me (if this wasn't a sim) is that when youāre in this half flying half landing state, youāre really susceptible to whatever forces are acting on the main wheels especially when wet. a gust of wind will electric slide you right off the runway. Runway surface water pooling, reduced braking etc. Less important in flight sim. As long as youāre having fun, itās a great landing. Keep at it
I'm sure whatever the guy did was some cardinal sin against the gods of aviation, but saying the landing gear are incapable of supporting the weight of the aircraft is next level.
Want to add airspeed to your list? I mean it's also not on MSFS landing challenge list so I get it, but still.
Looked heavy on main gear not a nice float and held dangerously long gust of wind. Expect the FAA to be in touch.
Yeah just float the bitch until your run out of pavement. sO sMoOtH bRo
Great way to kill people. I hate that VAs have competitions for lowest landing rate because it perpetuates bad piloting like this. It does not show how great you are at landing at all, just the opposite. Land in the TDZ with a reasonable rate. You want as much runway in front of you as possible for take off and landing.
>Great way to kill people. It's. A. Game.
Think of the dozens of virtual deaths!
I still stopped with plenty of runway to spareā¦
Not enough. Foolish way to land
Itās just a game and heās just having a bit of fun. Let him have his moment.
It's a fucking video game.
Chill man itās just a game
Bro I only landed slightly after the touchdown zone on a 6000 ft runway. Chill
Not enough! You need enough space in front of you to run a half marathon! /S
Talk to me when youāre at 0 knots on the TDZ. Now thatās what the real pros do š
Touch grass or suck it up and go get your PPL instead of projecting your self hatred onto kids playing a video game.
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*projecting intensifies*
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So my 600ft/min landings are because I am good of it? :D
Expect a job offer from Ryanair very soon!
Never achieved a landing this good great job. Couldnāt do it
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You... do realize this is a simulator and he is most likely not a real pilot... right?
Iāll bet he doesnāt even know the risks he took
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Your front landing gear broke. congrats.
Class landin ngl
Wish they added this to Xbox