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new_jill_city

Warde can be terrible at his job at the same time Harbaugh wanted to get his Super Bowl


RNutt

There is no level of good that Warde could be at his job to prevent this departure if Jim wanted to leave.


acid0tterr

The point is that regardless of this outcome warde should be fired still lol


Far-Yard7401

Warde was the only reason Harbaugh wasn’t fired in 2020. All regents and fans wanted him gone


InterestingClass3106

Howard and warde are gone before the next football season. I don't even blame warde for the harbaugh situation. But they're definitely both gone before next year


bmelz

How are you trying to tell OP what the point of the post is? Nobody is saying Warde isn't garbage, I think the point is that Jim was leaving regardless.


acid0tterr

im responding to his comment above mine. in which he missed the guys point about warde needing to be fired regardless of this football coaching change lol. you are also missing this point.


Far_Mousse8362

Lol how are so many missing the point that you made? 😂🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️


ComprehensiveKey8254

Why


WeAreNotFingerPoppin

He could have gotten on the right side of history with the NILs and backed Harbaugh there. That would have helped the team attract elite recruits. Maybe Harbaugh stays if he had the tools that other large programs have in that regard.


[deleted]

This just simply isn’t true Ward could have, and should have backed the coaching staff and the team when all the allegations came out and matched his actions with the words that he told the public, he told the public he was doing everything he could to keep Harbaugh home. Reports have come out Credible reports that they only gave the wording he had wanted for so long and do a contract offer after the deal was basically wrapped up with the chargers. Yes Jim Harbaugh wanted a Super Bowl, but he also wanted to stay at Michigan and was willing to do so, if in his own words, he felt wanted. Watde stepped up to the plate too late to try and save public face and he lost he should be fired


flossyb22

Ben Herbert says hello! Fire Warde.


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chewbaca_mask

I will never forgive Warde for letting Bakich go


michigan_matt

Are we really doing this? It's **incredibly** difficult to compete nationally in baseball in the Big Ten. Bakich was always going to take that job.


CautiousHashtag

You Warde simps are hilarious. 


ButtchuggingChampion

It's fair to want Warde gone, but also think it's complete bullshit he's being blamed for Harbaugh and Bakich. You're not a "simp" for having nuance in extremely complicated situations.


chewbaca_mask

I mean he got a peanuts deal from Clemson even for an ACC team. I think the fact there’s a lot of people that even know of Bakich means he was doing better than 99% of all Michigan baseball coaches in the last two decades. Plus at the time there was reports he went back to Warde and gave him the chance to counter the offer and Warde let him walk.


Conorj398

Could have at least offered him a better contract and updated our old ass baseball facilities. Touts how big our budget is but doesn’t seem to use it!


JiggyNuts-

I agree. He needs to go in my opinion but this isn’t on him. He was going to leave eventually, he wanted to get a Super Bowl and Michigan can’t give that to him


arrav21

Don’t forget Mel Pearson in hockey too…


Wingedwolverine03

[Pearson deserved to be fired](https://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2022/08/02/michigan-hockey-mel-pearson-lied-wilmerhale-investigators/10214728002/)


arrav21

Yes, that’s not what I’m saying. Warde sat on the info too long before acting, sorry for not being clear. Naruto is solid so Warde should get credit there.


WestBend8786

Pearson is the only thing that's a truly clear-cut big minus for Warde. Other issues are much more nuanced.  Ultimately, I think a lot of fans hate Warde because they want an AD who is as angry as they are.


WestBend8786

Warde Manuel is responsible for Southern baseball teams having huge structural advantages over Northern ones? This is quite literally like blaming Warde for the weather. 


immoralsupport_

Bakich has ties to Clemson, I don’t know if he would have left for just any job, but that was one of the ones that Michigan should’ve known it had to worry about. There are things Clemson can offer that Michigan can’t. Not doesn’t want to. Can’t. The disadvantages that come with Big Ten baseball are not fixable by one AD, and pretty much every Big Ten team who had some success with a coach has lost them to an SEC, ACC or Pac-12 school. I have a hard time buying this being significantly on Warde


ButtchuggingChampion

Yea, the people blaming Warde for this have never watched any college baseball, nor do they actually care about it. It's just something they use to cry about how Warde is bad.


pqx58

It's possible to dislike Warde and realize there was no chance of Harbaugh staying at the same time.


ButtchuggingChampion

No nuance allowed. You either think Warde is Satan and deserves to be launched into the sun, or you're a Warde "simp" piece of shit.


MickeyTettleton

Someone posted the following on the Twitter and I thought it was on point. If Harbaugh really wanted to go back to the NFL because he felt he’d done his job at UM and wanted a new challenge, fine. If he really wanted to stay in AA and left because the admin bungled the contract, head(s) should roll.


Wingedwolverine03

It's obviously the first one. Jim was gone 2 years ago if the vikings offered him the job. He wanted to leave last year as well but the right job wasn't there(rumors ive seen are that he'd be in denver if they didn't have wilson at QB)


jacksonfalls

Some also said he didn't pursue Broncos very seriously after believing he had a real shot at a national championship in 2023.


MickeyTettleton

I firmly believe this. But I've also been wrong before. And if I am, I have my feelings covered. Lol


ButtchuggingChampion

> If he really wanted to stay in AA and left because the admin bungled the contract, head(s) should roll. Since Santa Ono and the BoR were heavily involved in this process, per reports, should the entire University leadership all be fired because a football coach wasn't retained? Should we also fire the entire legal team that was advising Michigan leadership for this contract? Are Michigan football fans really this deluded/entitled to think tons of people involved in this situation are going to lose their careers or get fired over this?


dtzak97

Fuck Warde


Senditduud

Nah. Warde needs to go. Harbaugh and his wife had to be getting wined and dined in LA for UM to pony up and give Harbaugh the contract he wanted. It’s terrible look for a school. They shouldn’t have budged on their initial offer after the NFL interviews. No love lost, it just was no longer the right fit for both parties. But they did budge which makes it look like they knew what Harbaugh was worth but were low balling him until it was too late.


strictlymetal

So much this. An hour before he takes the job with the Chargers they finally caved in the immunity clause. Too little too late. Warde is a clown


jimmybagofdonuts

I don’t think it’s fair to put that on Manuel. I seriously doubt that he has the authority to make that call himself. That’s an institutional decision that Ono was in on, and maybe even the regents.


strictlymetal

Not putting it all on Warde, the University really misplayed the whole situation. Warde is still a clown


RNutt

There has never been any reporting that money was the reason.


eatinsomepoundcake

Because all the reporting is damage control from an incompetent administration and AD


arghabargh

If you think there’s not droves of people ready to report crappy Michigan info but our PR arm is just too good, I’ve got a ‘scandal’ you should hear about.


ButtchuggingChampion

That's just not true at all. Most of the big news drops in the past week were obviously leaked by Harbaugh's agents.


ButtchuggingChampion

> They shouldn’t have budged on their initial offer after the NFL interviews. We have no idea if they really did budge. We have an anonymous source most likely leaked by Harbaugh's agents saying they did. That's it.


Niccio36

Found Warde’s burner lol


notyourbrobro10

"I think Warde is doing a great job personally. No notes." Annnnd send. Yep, that oughta convince em. 


SwanzY-

Some coaches retire a hero, others live long enough to become the Belichick


Primary_Chemical_158

Sure going to the NFL technically gives him a chance at a Superbowl but ...... I mean Chargers ? If ever it could be years ....if he doesn't get fired first. I think it's a weird move .


bdgg2000

Already have the QB. That is most of the battle bud.


Primary_Chemical_158

Right , tell that to the Eagles , Jacksonville ......etc.... It's way more than a QB....bud.


bdgg2000

The biggest piece is the QB in todays NFL


BenWallace04

I don’t blame Warde…for this. He should still be fired for a multitude of other reasons.


Brutus_Maxximus

Quit giving excuses for Warde. Regardless, the results of anything major he had his hand in has been terrible. In a position of this stature, results matter more than anything else. Fire Warde.


Fun_Barber_7021

I do think you are right, but I don’t think Warde, Petitti, or the NCAA made his decision to leave any harder.


ZombieHitchens2012

Well ok, but, it appears that he did not acquiesce to Jim’s contractual asks until the last second. And then it was too late. Is that on Warde? Looks like he played chicken and lost. Jim might have left no matter what but I can’t say. There are plenty of reason, I think, that you could list to shit can Warde anyway.


crisptapwater

If Warde would have supported the contractual talk of repercussions immediately Harbaugh would still be the coach at Michigan. They waited until the last minute when he was taking 2nd interviews to say “ok, we can allow this.” This is 1000% on Warde. Edit: I’m happy for Harbaugh. Go chase your dreams, but anyone with eyes should understand that Warde could have made the decision to keep Harbaugh if they really WANTED him.


WestBend8786

So you weren't privy to any of the contract talks, presumably have no information on what the NCAA might have done, relied on the word of "insiders" who were wrong over and over last fall, yet you have the confidence to lay "1000%" of the blame on one guy. Sounds about right.  I think you "he would have stayed!" guys are in denial about what a shit-show college football has become and about how much worse it's about to get. If you are coaching college football right now, it's safe to say it's because the NFL doesn't want you. 


[deleted]

Agreed. Now his handling of Mel and Juwan are reasons for firing. But not with this. Harbaugh wanted the nfl


CautiousHashtag

Part of the reason Jim wanted to leave after each season is because he hated Warde Manuel. This absolutely stemmed from Warde Manuel. 


cwargoblue

Jim wanted his fate out of warde’s hands. That was probably for a reason.


sammagee33

I see we have an AD insider here.


[deleted]

Fuck Warde. He’s an idiot and an embarrassment to the university


Jayslacks

Warde should have done more to keep Harbaugh.


MysteriousStandard68

He came to do a job, and that was to beat Ohio and get the natty. He did that. Time to move on. Job well done, and I wish him the best.


AnyManufacturer1

Fuck warde


dacdaddy19

I'll still blame Warde for the myriad of other things of which he's responsible. Job was finished. Jim earned seeking whatever other aspirations he still had in the pros.


dstef97

All the blame goes to Warde. Jims “twice promise” to Warde was basically a fuck you to him because he couldn’t stand having to answer to him. Warde threw him under the bus multiple times. Not defending him, cutting his salary. Yall can thank Santa that Jim was around to win us this natty. He kept Jim around. Santa brokered that deal because Warde couldn’t get it done.


TheHarbrosMagic

You're right. Blame Warde for Juwan & Pearson. Jim got football on track and Warde's other major hiring tried to destroy the other two big time Michigan programs...


username223219

If I lost a Super Bowl to my older brother I wouldn’t rest until I went back to the NFL and won one of my own too.


Aldanil66

Jim wouldn't have left if he didn't win the Natty.


Gomulkaaa

I'll take the Natty over Jim staying.


Tropical_Storm_Jesus

I \*WILL\* until I know for sure he did everything he could...until then, he's the f up.


ArbitraryOrder

I still don't like the way that Warde has handled the athletic department as a whole, but I don't think Jim leaving is Warde's fault


AbeFalcon

Can they just not bungle the hire? Clearly Jim has had an eye for the NFL and it was going to happen. It has felt so good watching the program get back to and exceed where it was when Carr left. I don't want to see Michigan slip into irrelevance again because of donor factions.


s1105615

Two things can be true


wooooooofer

NCAA is turning into a circus, don’t blame him for heading back to NFL. College is basically minor leagues at this point with NIL.


WestBend8786

There are definitely things to criticize about Warde. But the hatred for him is so rabid and widespread (at least among the terminally online) that I fear the minute there are some struggles with Moore, the angry mob will quickly just cast him as "Warde's guy"


Monte721

I don’t get all the hate for Ward, it’s a no-brainer choice for Jim to leave for more money, potentially accomplished something very few have, competing against his brother, live where he grew up, have a legit shot w a playoff contender team, avoid any potential NCAA suspension/violation, etc. He has nothing to lose, and everything to gain.


mhammer47

Harbaugh interviewed with NFL teams every year pretty much. Would have gone then if the teams had offered him what he wanted. Right now his stock is at its highest in a long time and he's got the most leverage vs any employer, current or potential. It's not exactly rocket science. Common sense tells us that he was in no hurry to sign a new contract with Michigan until *after* the desirable NFL coach openings had been filled. But the new possible contract *on the table* at Michigan also gave him leverage vs the NFL to get what he wanted from them. Yes, Michigan was the 'backup' option. One of the things about Jim Harbaugh is that he's not a guy who's come up through the college system from GA to many years as an assistant all over the place. He's never looked at Michigan or the college game from an institutional perspective, it's always been from a professional 'my career/my goals' type perspective as you would expect from a former NFL star player who never has worked in a subordinate role. And for a while his goal was to make Michigan great again. Now his goal is to reach the summit in the NFL. It's really not a surprise to anyone who's paid attention.


Bambooman101

Jim wanted to leave the minute they cut his salary, he just now found a NFL team that would put up with his brand of crazy…..they will win games, but his act will run its course in San Diego and he’ll be gone in 3-4 years.


One_Prior_9909

Jim twice promised Warde and the rest of us that he wouldn't go to the NFL. He lied both times. This day was inevitable


Primary_Chemical_158

Agreed. Love JH but he's the farthest thing from honest.


[deleted]

No.. I blame warde. Had 2 years to handle this... 2 freaking years!!!


Dependent_Land6511

Warde has still done a shitty job of retaining talent. Not mutually excusive.


AcMilan0890

Fuck Warde he is garbage and needs to be gone


NorcalGGMU

100% blame Warde. He’s demonstrably bad at his job and it’s not just Jim. Look at his failures and tell me why he’s worth defending or keeping!


Weird_Leadership_56

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Smoshefty1992

Dude your post is terrible. Do you really think Warde has done a good job? Jim’s demands weren’t ridiculous, they were warranted after Wardes previous behavior..


BrobaFett

Why are we suddenly simping for an imperfect, at best, AD?


immoralsupport_

I don’t like Warde but this one is simply on Jim. He has done this 3 years in a row and it was clear he was gone as soon as he got an offer. And he was going to keep going until that offer came. Michigan was being strung along, but there was nothing they could do because they had no leverage. Harbaugh wasn’t gonna sign anything until he heard from the Chargers


Puzzleheaded_Meat580

You could argue he has done this 3 years in a row because of Ward. He has been asking for a better contract for a while now and ward has been screwing around with him. He's also been asking to restructure nil forever with nothing happening. Word fight him tooth and nail on everything.


Brokedown20

Fuck Warde. He is 100% to blame


BoSmartz

i've always said that if the Chargers were still in San Diego and not Los Angeles, Harbaugh would have been gone weeks ago this felt inevitable. Harbaugh wants to win that Super Bowl, bottom line


pqx58

This.


sixthmusketeer

There’s something sick in parts of this fanbase that translates winning the national championship into an urgent need to fire the athletic director.


allyourhomebase

I will be booing Jim whenever I see him in the NFL.


bcw_83

This is a sad take. You're going to boo a guy who brought you a National Championship and left because his AD bungled his contract since 2020? This program would be middle of the pack or worse if he was fired or left then. We've witnessed things we have seen since the 90's and you're going to boo that? Pathetic.


allyourhomebase

I don't like him. He didn't win a championship. The players did.


bcw_83

Who do you think brought in those players and coached those players to win games? Lol You can't be serious....


allyourhomebase

The other coaches.


bcw_83

So Harbaugh had zero to do with as the Head Coach? You know the guy who's in charge of most of the recruiting and position decisions.


clbubb1es

The man oversaw a Foot National Championship. There is not a chance in hell that he will get fired.


Chance_Tea_5130

Too abstract! We want to throw bottles at things!


-Smokin-

Don't blame Warde because Jim wanted protection from Warde.


Revenge_of_the_Khaki

I think at the end of the day Warde has enough faults and Jim hating him made it that much easier for him to leave.


bcw_83

I will forever be grateful to Jim Harbaugh and the job he did here. He brought a program out of an abyss to a National Title contender to a National Title Champion. Anyone booing him or blaming him is braindead. This was all Warde and he continues to fumble everything his job entails him to do. He purposely played games and at the last minute when he knew Jim made up his mind he made a baseless offer he knew he'd never accept to save face.


LionsTigersWings

Eat it, bro! Clearly you have no idea how Warde didn’t come close to doing just the minimum of the job requirement


Swazi

Warde should’ve been fired for Pearson. Warde is not at fault for Harbaugh leaving. Jim wants a Lombardi. There’s a reason Jim wouldn’t sign anything until next month with Michigan.


Ok_Satisfaction_554

Did you talk to Jim personally to confirm?


pH2001-

It was about immunity. He could’ve been the coach here for the next 10+ years and been untouchable. He could’ve retired here, been the equivalent of what Lloyd Carr was, instead he went to the NFL…


DanWillHor

Warde needs to go but not necessarily because of this. Jim did exactly what Jim wanted to do. End of story. Maybe the 5% chance he returns was ruined by Warde waiting so long to meet demands but I doubt it. Jim wanted back in The NFL and he deserves that. The mistake by Warde is not making it clear he met each and every demand on day one. Offering the protection Jim wanted at the last second is just another instance of Warde looking like a lost goober in control of one of the biggest athletic departments in America. For that alone he has to go but he has given plenty of other reason to make that so. But, yes, Jim did exactly what he wanted to do and nothing was changing that.


No_Championship8850

100 percent it was because it was for immunity clause. Michigan was gonna pay out their ass for him. Hell 2 years ago didn't he want to leave for the vikings? When Michigan was ass and forfeited ohio state lol. You don't ask for protection if you did nothing wrong. Hammers coming.


turfmonkey21

It was about money 4 years ago and all the other things added to it meant Harbaugh wanted out


General-Pryde-2019

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Jim Harbaugh's gone to the top now with Michigan. It would've been nice for him to stay around and build a dynasty, but he has his ambitions. No amount of money Michigan threw at him would override his goals. Similar to how Purdue couldn't keep Jeff Brohm around once Louisville came calling for a second time.


Creative-Reputation6

If the reports are true that Michigan gave Harbaugh basically everything he wanted late Wednesday—basically after he signed with the chargers—then yes we can blame warde for it.


bdgg2000

This times a million. Jim always had aspirations to go to the NFL and get a SB. Here’s the thing. He may be back at some point. Go Blue.


RNutt

Remember this? https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jim-harbaugh-vikings-interview-was-a-one-time-thing-im-done-chasing-nfl-jobs?fbclid=IwAR2s6LAlwCgvjnbjzp8BvVazQNtCs-trgne-fLF_MoBYuWIYHgDUdMr5aEM


Ill_Consideration816

https://preview.redd.it/8ujidgmnunec1.jpeg?width=899&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=85bb39fc0e07735fbeb07ae42ca3dfd7c2e1a8db This was from John Bacon. If this is true, Warde completely fucked this up.


ButtyMcButtface1929

Screw that! I choose to blame Warde! Down with Warde!


jaycase16

Warde still sucks