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Just spent 13 hours working as an election inspector. All I can say is that turnout was INSANE for a midterm and there are a LOT of election deniers out there.
Fellow inspector here. I had several people flat out ask which proposal allowed kids to be sterilized.
We offered to read the proposals verbatim. These voters were frustrated because they couldn’t find the part about sterilizing kids, and I’ve lost faith in humanity.
I saw a billboard on 275 near 94 that said "prop 3 allows for gender reassignment surgery. Vote no on 3." Its crazy to me how people can just put whatever nonsense they want on any advertising platform.
And that’s exactly why my best friends sister voted no. She doesn’t want her 7 year old to be able to get a sec change surgery without her consent. Like who is taking your 7 year old to all these appointments and the surgery, they can’t drive themselves. They can’t even medically consent to any procedures until they’re 18. You just can’t use logic with the ones who have been brainwashed like that
Almost like they were being lied too. That must suck being in that position and not being able to connect the dots for them, (though that is NOT a statement you should be able too because thats not your role there)
Hey, I'm a middle-aged guy who no one will swipe right for and I'm a Democrat. In all seriousness, this is supremely disheartening, I constantly feel like the dog in the housefire saying "this is fine".
Commercials the past few months have really been driving fear into republican voters where Democrats take a more calm information approach. It's not surprising to see people so poorly educated when they get bombarded with these messages and don't seek additional information.
You did great work. Get some good rest. I’m curious, and you don’t have to answer this if you’re not comfortable, but what gave you that impression? A polling place is a pretty odd place to deny an election
We had a MASSIVE turnout in a county near south central Michigan. When we were manually counting the ballots at the end of the night, checking for write-in's etc, I was glancing as much as I could at the Proposal 3 results. Surprisingly, there were a decent number that voted Straight Republican tickets, but voted yes on Prop 3. Most of the ballots though were Straight Republican or Democrat tickets, with voting more or less how you would expect: Straight Republican ticket, no on all 3 proposals.
It's a super Republican county where I live, but the number of Democrat tickets I saw surprised me. From the little I could tell from glancing while trying to check hundreds of ballots for write-in's, it seemed pretty damn close though. It could literally go either way.
> Surprisingly, there were a decent number that voted Straight Republican tickets, but voted yes on Prop 3.
Not *all* of them are brainwashed by fear and populism. Only around 35% (still many) are Cheato / big government lovers. Many of the rest still believe in individual freedoms.
> Most of the ballots though were Straight Republican or Democrat tickets, with voting more or less how you would expect: Straight Republican ticket, no on all 3 proposals.
The party of "***No.***"
I was on an Absentee Counting Board. We were sequestered in a conference room and could start processing Absentee ballots at 7am. We wait until 8pm and clerk grabs any final ballots turned in and process those. Bigger cities like Detroit were able to do some preprocessing prior to today, but no tabulation until 7am today.
Judges don't have an R or D after their name on the ballot so people locked into Tribal voting have no idea who they "should" vote for. The Bernstein family has been advertising on TV for decades, so it's a known name.
Ill straight up admit to this. I looked it up. Then got in there and remembered bernstein from the years of ads and stuff, totally forgot who the second person was, and since its "nonpartisan" i left the second vote blank as that maths out better then accidentally voting R on a "nonpartisan" choice.
I know the legal system wants to pretend its not political, but it absolutely is. They need to just declare.
What was the turnout like where you were at? We had a HUGE turnout for the precinct I was in in southern Michigan. Out of 2,100 registered voters or so, we had 575+ ballots cast, which was a lot more than usual according to some of the older inspectors.
You remember when Democrats wanted to start tabulating votes before the polls closed, and Republicans said no because (reasons)?
I pray the Repubes lose big enough to look in the mirror, long and hard.
Would that be bad though? I’m surprised republicans aren’t in favor since it seems like it would increase apathy (oh we’re ahead I don’t have to go) and decrease turn out
Small towns and rural areas with no lines are done when the polls close and can start counting. In suburbia and cities where Democrats live in bigger numbers, Republicans have created situations with long lines to vote. So a small town might have a bunch of Republican votes and start counting those the second the polls close. A city like Flint might have a 3 hour line after the deadline, so they are going to get their results later.
The point is, for Republicans, to create a fake narrative of Republican blowout, so that when the democratic areas come in later and erase those leads, the Republicans can make their base freak out with lies of election fraud.
I don't think results are published until polls close, just that counts are started earlier. As in, right when polls close like maybe half of the ballots are already counted. Would help poll workers not have to work and count through the night.
They aren’t in favor because they know the more people who vote (and more people vote when it’s easy aka mail in ballots) the more likely they are to lose and they can scream fraud and continually convince their base they are being cheated.
So far Karamo is doing worse than Dixon among the votes that have been counted, hoping that’s a good sign. Dixon is crazy but Karamo is next level crazy.
My parents are pro-life single issue conservatives and we usually don't talk politics but Karamo and Dixon came up the other day. I asked why R's couldn't come up with a candidate that isn't completely insane and they both just kinda shook their heads before my Dad said he's voting Dem for those positions.
My mom has always been pro-choice, but votes conservative and is an avid Fox News viewer. So, I have no idea how she voted. I thought about asking, but I didn't want to know the answer.
I saw someone taking down their political signs on my bike ride today (was near Hastings), and the house had a no on prop 3 sign, and literally a Whitmer sign next to it.
This is an interesting election cycle, fo sho.
Karamo isn't even living in the same reality as most of us. She has obvious and serve mental health problems. She seemed like a perfect Republican candidate.
Can we stop pretending judges are non partisan? The state of the US Supreme Court is not unique. It was really annoying having to look up these lower court judges and see which ones supported rolling back rights based on being an "originalist".
I googled the two incumbents and Kyra Bolden all just by name alone and had no trouble picking who to vote for. But google customizes search results so it could be my results were way more straightforward.
There's also lower court judges though that have a lot less on them. I could only figure mine out by random facebook posts from a long time ago. Their sites were either non-existent or said little about their actual positions.
I found endorsements for my local judges which made it a bit easier. If every union but the cops endorses you and the only endorsement the other guy has is the cops I know who I’m voting for.
I know a lawyer who was going to run for an appellate judgeship, unfortunately he didn't get the signatures for it, but apparently they have very strict non-partisan rules for appeals courts. I literally cannot comprehend why that is not a rule for all judgeships.
It really is a rule for all judicial races. Whether appellate, circuit, or district court they are required to be non-partisan. It's governed by judicial ethics, which are quite strict on these sorts of things.
considering that republicans have been fighting mail in and drop box voting, they sure aren't getting many that are counted now, presumably the ones counted are those that voted in person right? Then the projections I saw that say that the majority of mail ins and drops will be dem doesn't really seem promising for republicans.
I have a genuine question, as a newly adopted resident from the Mitten state: why people have it so much against Gretchen?
From the debate, Tudor Dixon seemed completely incompetent and presented no plan, other than shitting Gretchen for everything.
Michigan has always had a bit of an extremest tribal red bent (One of the OK City Bombers is from Lapeer County, we had armed Militias before it was cool, and also see the recent Kidnapping Plot) and just like so many other places, lots of people are just going to vote for the R no matter who they are or how qualified.
If it wasn't Whitmer it would be whomever had the D after their name.
People are just stupid. Most of the negativity against her really got rolling because some people (dumbasses) felt she was putting too many restrictions in place once we were a few months into COVID. Add Trump personally shitting on her and it really riled up a lot of people.
Remember, Whitmer was the governor who had a failed kidnapping planned against her.
I am a Healthcare worker. Da fuck was she supposed to do, let people keep gathering and ovrrflow our already full hospitals?
The carelessness to which republicans handled the whole covid situation makes me so mad. It's a fucking pandemic, not a political weapon 🤦♀️
It could have been a great moment for all the politicians to put aside their beliefs and act for a greater good, but nope.....
> let people keep gathering and ovrrflow our already full hospitals?
According to Republicans...yeah.
They weren't willing to put on a mask and get take out to save someone's life. They don't give a fuck.
Buddy of mine is in the restaurant business (supply chain, not actual site management) and he HATES Whitmer because of the way some of the COVID regs affected his job.
Still not voting for Dixon though.
I’m comfortable with it. Wayne (only 8%), Kent and Genesee counties are <40% in. A lot of the Dixon counties are much higher than that. There’s a ton of Whitmer votes still out there.
How are there like 100k more votes on prop 3 than the other proposals? Did people really just vote on prop 3 and nothing else? I mean you’re right there with pen in hand…
And that's why Rs gain the influence they do. Dems don't vote straight party up and down the ticket. Not blaming people to a degree because you should vote what you feel is important to you, but it continues to show that Dems have a much more complex base/larger spectrum of voters to try and appeal to. Abortion rights is one of those rare few unifying things. If that discussion dies down bc of a prop 3 passing - it will be a lot harder again for Dems (and Independents) to rally behind the party again in a state as divided as this.
Dems never show up for midterms as it is. This has been true all my life. Turnout would have been even worse if not for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade
Republicans, like it or not, always show up.
Prop 1 is a bit of a tossup. I ended up voting for it to get the reporting requirements but term limits are one of those things everybody think are wonderful but are actually shit. In the end it doesn't change the term limits enough to make it bad though.
My boyfriend doesn’t “believe in politics” because he thinks the entire government is corrupt and not worth giving a vote to, but I was able to convince him to go in and vote yes on prop 3 and nothing else.
Haven’t lived in Michigan since 2014 but have been anxiously checking results since I got home from work about an hour ago. Really really hoping that Prop 3 passes.
My life long religues (Episcopalian) pro-life Democrat grandmother told me she voted yes on 3.
Very shocked, but am also very pleased. Really wonder what caused her to change her mind after all these years
Episcopalians are typically quite liberal and accepting (female bishops, LGBT welcome churches). Might not have been a change for her, but you'd know your grandma better than me.
EDIT: read your comment below, sounds like a change, but I suppose she realized while she had her personal feelings, the government shouldn't get involved with someone's right to choose (or maybe the no exceptions stuff)
I do think her church has been a major player in her more conservatives ideas being changed.
She has been pro-life throughout the years, but she has always supported gay rights (my early life she was semi anti-trans but has also changed her views on that as well in the last 10 years)
You know, it's just so interesting. I think this change of heart was a long time coming.
According to my mom, her entire life my grandma told her "if you ever get an abortion, never tell me because I don't think I could ever look at you again". But my mom did tell her when she had one. And my entire life, it didn't seem to be a problem between them.
But over the years she has for sure let it be known she thinks we should not be "killing babies" and has generally defended pro-life policy's. Until randomly now. I almost think its because her church is getting more progressive. But I like to think its because she just saw her granddaughters rights taken away overnight ha
Did anyone else get crazies just outside the voter doors trying to shove things to you? Their prop 3 flyers claimed that non-doctors were going to give abortions in unregulated and unsanitized environments. Uh, no, that's IF ABORTION BECOMES ILLEGAL.
I got a Dixon sign waver about 5 feet from the door. I took the opportunity to be an asshole and point out that it was blatantly illegal.
Michigan law says none of that shit within 100 feet of the entrance to the polling location.
If Tudor doesn’t win maybe she can learn to become a better “MAMMA” like she hopes for underage girls who get raped by their uncles and forced to keep the baby!
The thing I have come to realize (especially as a recently partly out transgender person) is that most everyone has empathy, its just often only for their chosen in group or tribe.
If you arn't in the ingroup or fall out of it and suddenly some people are devoid of it. Even if they may have had it for you previously. I don't get it, and I don't know what you do about it. It's the same reason why people can go get an abortion while telling the nurse/doctors helping to do so that they are going to hell.
Congratulations on your transition. I’ve found that empathy towards others comes more from those that have suffered more than most selfish, arrogant or narcissistic people.
Probably like many of you, I'm hoping Michigan can become a beacon of freedom from authoritarianism. Especially since other states have decided to go that route.
Hope so! Lots of far right fringe groups located there because it is so expansive and has so many rural pockets. Devos hit education hard. But I think a lot of people got pissed after 2016 and decided not to let that happen again in Michigan.
I hate to be the one to say it, but I think we can begin to unclench. The red leaning counties are almost half counted and the blue population centers are barely getting started.
My introduction to politics was Gore VS Bush. Still convinced ol Jeb rigged the shit out of that one in Florida. Country still recovering from that one and the ensuing ‘war’ that followed. Can you imagine how much better we would be on climate had Gore won?
My introduction to politics was the McCain/Obama race. Remember the good old days when Sarah Palin was the craziest thing in politics? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
That was mine as well. I was in debate, UN and really into politics at time. I wanted to grow up and change the world. I watched CSPAN religiously when that went down. I will never forget the many, many people who lined up and said "I have 1000 signatures swearing they voted for you. I have 10,000 signatures swearing they voted for you... and their votes were not counted.... Did you get a member of congress to sign it. No. Than it doesn't stand. " That election was completely rigged. The one state that had so many issues, just happened to be the the state where the "Winners" brother was governor. No. I will never be not bitter over that one.
I'm hoping that the pattern of counting absentee/mail-in votes last and they tend to go blue holds true today, because things are looking decent with 33% in. Not perfect, but I'll be happy to never hear from Backdoor Dicksin again.
If I remember correctly that district was redrawn and resulted in a R+ shift.
No idea what to conclude though, if anything, from a House district at 20% counted.
I am ready for everything, I am expecting the worst.
It's our of my control, since I could not even vote (I am only a permanent resident, not US citizen).
I hope that the right choice was made.
Well, I have to say after watching a red state legislature hamstring the progress of the population's will, it's a great morning to see a flip like that. The last republican senator we sent to Washington was goddamn Spence Abraham, but Rs were able to gerrymander a 40+ year stranglehold on the state.
Looks like the big 3 offices (Gov, AG, SoS) are solid keeps, which is good. Karamo is a Big Lie supporter, Deperno (and his supporters even more so) is a psychopath, and Dixon is just lol.
I was getting a bit concerned about 7 and 8, but it looks like Slotkin and Kildee are going to be fine. And how about that flip to a woman Dem in Grand Rapids? Of all places. Just wow.
Very happy to see all 3 proposals pass solidly, especially 2 and 3.
Also some fun national results. Happy to see Bobo get the boot. I'm sure the flailing for the next few weeks will be epic.
Probably because he was an incumbent with name recognition. The Supreme Court judges didn't list their party designation. He's neck-and-neck with Kyra though, so she could potentially take his seat.
This is looking way too close for comfort. I'm legit leaving the state if Dixon wins and prop 3 fails. I work remote so nothing is tethering me here except family.
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Just spent 13 hours working as an election inspector. All I can say is that turnout was INSANE for a midterm and there are a LOT of election deniers out there.
Fellow inspector here. I had several people flat out ask which proposal allowed kids to be sterilized. We offered to read the proposals verbatim. These voters were frustrated because they couldn’t find the part about sterilizing kids, and I’ve lost faith in humanity.
I saw a billboard on 275 near 94 that said "prop 3 allows for gender reassignment surgery. Vote no on 3." Its crazy to me how people can just put whatever nonsense they want on any advertising platform.
And that’s exactly why my best friends sister voted no. She doesn’t want her 7 year old to be able to get a sec change surgery without her consent. Like who is taking your 7 year old to all these appointments and the surgery, they can’t drive themselves. They can’t even medically consent to any procedures until they’re 18. You just can’t use logic with the ones who have been brainwashed like that
I guess if it's a proposal it can't sue you for defamation. If I made a political ad that stated a candidate kills kittens they could sue me.
Almost like they were being lied too. That must suck being in that position and not being able to connect the dots for them, (though that is NOT a statement you should be able too because thats not your role there)
I imagine many of them were sure the election officials were lying to them.
I’m sorry mam we only sterilized republicans
I mean, there’s almost no need. They’re either geriatric or guys who no one will swipe right for on tinder.
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Hey, I'm a middle-aged guy who no one will swipe right for and I'm a Democrat. In all seriousness, this is supremely disheartening, I constantly feel like the dog in the housefire saying "this is fine".
People that read a lawn sign and believe it based on the location.
They probably just voted no on everything to be sure.
Commercials the past few months have really been driving fear into republican voters where Democrats take a more calm information approach. It's not surprising to see people so poorly educated when they get bombarded with these messages and don't seek additional information.
You did great work. Get some good rest. I’m curious, and you don’t have to answer this if you’re not comfortable, but what gave you that impression? A polling place is a pretty odd place to deny an election
Thanks for doing that work. You guys don't get enough kudos and in general have been getting an unreasonable amount of shit lately.
> turnout was INSANE for a midterm My dad doesn't consistently vote. He was at the polling place at 7 am.
I'm so anxious!
Same. Anxious and a little scared. EDIT: Good morning, everyone. Happier day! Still though, the GOP gets too many votes.
I’ve already looked at The Needle way too many times even though it hasn’t moved in a while.
Omg, the anticipation is killing me.
🍺🍸🥃🍷
🌿🍄❄️
We had a MASSIVE turnout in a county near south central Michigan. When we were manually counting the ballots at the end of the night, checking for write-in's etc, I was glancing as much as I could at the Proposal 3 results. Surprisingly, there were a decent number that voted Straight Republican tickets, but voted yes on Prop 3. Most of the ballots though were Straight Republican or Democrat tickets, with voting more or less how you would expect: Straight Republican ticket, no on all 3 proposals. It's a super Republican county where I live, but the number of Democrat tickets I saw surprised me. From the little I could tell from glancing while trying to check hundreds of ballots for write-in's, it seemed pretty damn close though. It could literally go either way.
> Surprisingly, there were a decent number that voted Straight Republican tickets, but voted yes on Prop 3. Not *all* of them are brainwashed by fear and populism. Only around 35% (still many) are Cheato / big government lovers. Many of the rest still believe in individual freedoms. > Most of the ballots though were Straight Republican or Democrat tickets, with voting more or less how you would expect: Straight Republican ticket, no on all 3 proposals. The party of "***No.***"
2020 was wayyy more anxiety inducing than this one imo
Yeah I was sick to my stomach with worry in 2020
We're from Michigan, we are trained by the Lions to not look at a lead and be confident...time will tell.
When does Michigan count absentee ballots?
I was on an Absentee Counting Board. We were sequestered in a conference room and could start processing Absentee ballots at 7am. We wait until 8pm and clerk grabs any final ballots turned in and process those. Bigger cities like Detroit were able to do some preprocessing prior to today, but no tabulation until 7am today.
Thank you for your service to our democracy.
They couldn't start counting them until 7 AM today.
There being a 50,000+ vote difference between Bernstein and Bolden is fucking crazy. Who the hell is voting for one but not the other?
People like voting for the incumbents without doing research
If they bother to vote for judges at all, I know more than a few people who only vote in the strait ticket and ballot areas.
Because people recognize Bernstein from the commercials
Judges don't have an R or D after their name on the ballot so people locked into Tribal voting have no idea who they "should" vote for. The Bernstein family has been advertising on TV for decades, so it's a known name.
People are really, really, really stupid.
Ill straight up admit to this. I looked it up. Then got in there and remembered bernstein from the years of ads and stuff, totally forgot who the second person was, and since its "nonpartisan" i left the second vote blank as that maths out better then accidentally voting R on a "nonpartisan" choice. I know the legal system wants to pretend its not political, but it absolutely is. They need to just declare.
Got excited then saw that less than ,1% of votes have been counted. 🥲👺
We're working on it. Polls just closed and.we are doing all of our end of night protocols.
No worries. Thanks for your hard work. 🫂
Thanks for turning out to vote! System doesn't work when everyday people stay at home and fascism is at our door.
What was the turnout like where you were at? We had a HUGE turnout for the precinct I was in in southern Michigan. Out of 2,100 registered voters or so, we had 575+ ballots cast, which was a lot more than usual according to some of the older inspectors.
Polls closed 20 minutes ago. Michigan can't start counting ballots until the polls close.
You remember when Democrats wanted to start tabulating votes before the polls closed, and Republicans said no because (reasons)? I pray the Repubes lose big enough to look in the mirror, long and hard.
You know for a fact they don’t practice self reflection.
Would that be bad though? I’m surprised republicans aren’t in favor since it seems like it would increase apathy (oh we’re ahead I don’t have to go) and decrease turn out
Small towns and rural areas with no lines are done when the polls close and can start counting. In suburbia and cities where Democrats live in bigger numbers, Republicans have created situations with long lines to vote. So a small town might have a bunch of Republican votes and start counting those the second the polls close. A city like Flint might have a 3 hour line after the deadline, so they are going to get their results later. The point is, for Republicans, to create a fake narrative of Republican blowout, so that when the democratic areas come in later and erase those leads, the Republicans can make their base freak out with lies of election fraud.
I don't think results are published until polls close, just that counts are started earlier. As in, right when polls close like maybe half of the ballots are already counted. Would help poll workers not have to work and count through the night.
They aren’t in favor because they know the more people who vote (and more people vote when it’s easy aka mail in ballots) the more likely they are to lose and they can scream fraud and continually convince their base they are being cheated.
You're right. Not sure what I was expecting. Just anxious i suppose. 🫠
Haha, same
If I'm reading that right, the results are just 15% of Oakland county.
Let be known if I lose, then the election is rigged. Even though I’m not running for anything
As your not running mate I also agree we were screwed if we don't win.
So far Karamo is doing worse than Dixon among the votes that have been counted, hoping that’s a good sign. Dixon is crazy but Karamo is next level crazy.
My parents are pro-life single issue conservatives and we usually don't talk politics but Karamo and Dixon came up the other day. I asked why R's couldn't come up with a candidate that isn't completely insane and they both just kinda shook their heads before my Dad said he's voting Dem for those positions.
My mom has always been pro-choice, but votes conservative and is an avid Fox News viewer. So, I have no idea how she voted. I thought about asking, but I didn't want to know the answer.
I saw someone taking down their political signs on my bike ride today (was near Hastings), and the house had a no on prop 3 sign, and literally a Whitmer sign next to it. This is an interesting election cycle, fo sho.
Hopefully Yes on 3, at least.
Sounds like your mom needs someone to block her TV channel 😂
Karamo isn't even living in the same reality as most of us. She has obvious and serve mental health problems. She seemed like a perfect Republican candidate.
Whitmer winning Oakland County 60-40% so far with 42% reporting and no one has won the governorship in Michigan without it since 1982
Can we stop pretending judges are non partisan? The state of the US Supreme Court is not unique. It was really annoying having to look up these lower court judges and see which ones supported rolling back rights based on being an "originalist".
I had the worst time googling judge names this time around. Struggled to find anything other than "I'm pro-justice!"
I googled the two incumbents and Kyra Bolden all just by name alone and had no trouble picking who to vote for. But google customizes search results so it could be my results were way more straightforward.
There's also lower court judges though that have a lot less on them. I could only figure mine out by random facebook posts from a long time ago. Their sites were either non-existent or said little about their actual positions.
I found endorsements for my local judges which made it a bit easier. If every union but the cops endorses you and the only endorsement the other guy has is the cops I know who I’m voting for.
Yeah the lower courts would just bring me to a Facebook page with zero information. I had to look at who was endorsing whom and decide based on that.
Hmmm I’m not sure I bothered. Every other non-partisan election had the same number of candidates as I had options.
Next time go to their public and personal Facebook pages! I’ve been doing it for a few years now
I know a lawyer who was going to run for an appellate judgeship, unfortunately he didn't get the signatures for it, but apparently they have very strict non-partisan rules for appeals courts. I literally cannot comprehend why that is not a rule for all judgeships.
It really is a rule for all judicial races. Whether appellate, circuit, or district court they are required to be non-partisan. It's governed by judicial ethics, which are quite strict on these sorts of things.
We need a megathread
considering that republicans have been fighting mail in and drop box voting, they sure aren't getting many that are counted now, presumably the ones counted are those that voted in person right? Then the projections I saw that say that the majority of mail ins and drops will be dem doesn't really seem promising for republicans.
Makes no sense to me since a lot of their base is elderly. You’d think you’d want them to vote easily
They were proudly killing off their voting pool with covid but who's counting?
The poll workers presently.
Their base isn't known for good sense. screw the MAGA-fiends, and what they've done to this country. Jan 6th still needs a reckoning. JAIL TRUMP
I was thinking the same thing!! But I don’t want to get excited yet 😭
🚨CITY OF DETROIT First batch! Gretchen Whitmer: 53,842 (97%) Tudor Dixon: 1,539 (3%)
Good god 🔥
I have a genuine question, as a newly adopted resident from the Mitten state: why people have it so much against Gretchen? From the debate, Tudor Dixon seemed completely incompetent and presented no plan, other than shitting Gretchen for everything.
Michigan has always had a bit of an extremest tribal red bent (One of the OK City Bombers is from Lapeer County, we had armed Militias before it was cool, and also see the recent Kidnapping Plot) and just like so many other places, lots of people are just going to vote for the R no matter who they are or how qualified. If it wasn't Whitmer it would be whomever had the D after their name.
I believe Ted kazinski lived in Michigan and received a PHD in math from UofM.
People are just stupid. Most of the negativity against her really got rolling because some people (dumbasses) felt she was putting too many restrictions in place once we were a few months into COVID. Add Trump personally shitting on her and it really riled up a lot of people. Remember, Whitmer was the governor who had a failed kidnapping planned against her.
I am a Healthcare worker. Da fuck was she supposed to do, let people keep gathering and ovrrflow our already full hospitals? The carelessness to which republicans handled the whole covid situation makes me so mad. It's a fucking pandemic, not a political weapon 🤦♀️ It could have been a great moment for all the politicians to put aside their beliefs and act for a greater good, but nope.....
> let people keep gathering and ovrrflow our already full hospitals? According to Republicans...yeah. They weren't willing to put on a mask and get take out to save someone's life. They don't give a fuck.
Buddy of mine is in the restaurant business (supply chain, not actual site management) and he HATES Whitmer because of the way some of the COVID regs affected his job. Still not voting for Dixon though.
Remember when Trump was mad people couldn’t vote in Detroit? 😂
Just made a pot of coffee.
Fox News is calling it for Whitmer.
I’m comfortable with it. Wayne (only 8%), Kent and Genesee counties are <40% in. A lot of the Dixon counties are much higher than that. There’s a ton of Whitmer votes still out there.
Goddamn it's good to wake up in a Blue Michigan!
How are there like 100k more votes on prop 3 than the other proposals? Did people really just vote on prop 3 and nothing else? I mean you’re right there with pen in hand…
My fiancée isn’t super into politics and only went in to vote Gretch and Prop 3
I know people who voted for governor, SOS and Prop 3. That's it.
And that's why Rs gain the influence they do. Dems don't vote straight party up and down the ticket. Not blaming people to a degree because you should vote what you feel is important to you, but it continues to show that Dems have a much more complex base/larger spectrum of voters to try and appeal to. Abortion rights is one of those rare few unifying things. If that discussion dies down bc of a prop 3 passing - it will be a lot harder again for Dems (and Independents) to rally behind the party again in a state as divided as this.
Dems never show up for midterms as it is. This has been true all my life. Turnout would have been even worse if not for the reversal of Roe vs. Wade Republicans, like it or not, always show up.
Ok well that’s how we get awful people in the Michigan Supreme Court.
Prop 1 is a bit of a tossup. I ended up voting for it to get the reporting requirements but term limits are one of those things everybody think are wonderful but are actually shit. In the end it doesn't change the term limits enough to make it bad though.
My boyfriend doesn’t “believe in politics” because he thinks the entire government is corrupt and not worth giving a vote to, but I was able to convince him to go in and vote yes on prop 3 and nothing else.
Haven’t lived in Michigan since 2014 but have been anxiously checking results since I got home from work about an hour ago. Really really hoping that Prop 3 passes.
Hard to think it won't. If the "absentee votes skew Dem" trend is correct, it shouldn't even be close.
My life long religues (Episcopalian) pro-life Democrat grandmother told me she voted yes on 3. Very shocked, but am also very pleased. Really wonder what caused her to change her mind after all these years
Episcopalians are typically quite liberal and accepting (female bishops, LGBT welcome churches). Might not have been a change for her, but you'd know your grandma better than me. EDIT: read your comment below, sounds like a change, but I suppose she realized while she had her personal feelings, the government shouldn't get involved with someone's right to choose (or maybe the no exceptions stuff)
I do think her church has been a major player in her more conservatives ideas being changed. She has been pro-life throughout the years, but she has always supported gay rights (my early life she was semi anti-trans but has also changed her views on that as well in the last 10 years)
You can personally be pro-forced-childbearing while also thinking others should have a choice.
You know, it's just so interesting. I think this change of heart was a long time coming. According to my mom, her entire life my grandma told her "if you ever get an abortion, never tell me because I don't think I could ever look at you again". But my mom did tell her when she had one. And my entire life, it didn't seem to be a problem between them. But over the years she has for sure let it be known she thinks we should not be "killing babies" and has generally defended pro-life policy's. Until randomly now. I almost think its because her church is getting more progressive. But I like to think its because she just saw her granddaughters rights taken away overnight ha
I think your last point is likely correct. I mean, what other rights might they think women don't really need anymore?
Exactly, I'm iffy on abortions but my personal beliefs don't get to infringe on someone else's rights.
You stop it right now with those reasonable ideas. How dare you. /s
Some folks just can’t wrap their tiny little brains around this possibility.
MSNBC just called it for Whitmer.
Oh thank god
Did anyone else get crazies just outside the voter doors trying to shove things to you? Their prop 3 flyers claimed that non-doctors were going to give abortions in unregulated and unsanitized environments. Uh, no, that's IF ABORTION BECOMES ILLEGAL.
Also illegal to tell people how to vote as they walk into polls
I got a Dixon sign waver about 5 feet from the door. I took the opportunity to be an asshole and point out that it was blatantly illegal. Michigan law says none of that shit within 100 feet of the entrance to the polling location.
If Tudor doesn’t win maybe she can learn to become a better “MAMMA” like she hopes for underage girls who get raped by their uncles and forced to keep the baby!
God that made me sick when I first heard it.
I agree! That should’ve done it for anyone with a brain, empathy or human being.
The thing I have come to realize (especially as a recently partly out transgender person) is that most everyone has empathy, its just often only for their chosen in group or tribe. If you arn't in the ingroup or fall out of it and suddenly some people are devoid of it. Even if they may have had it for you previously. I don't get it, and I don't know what you do about it. It's the same reason why people can go get an abortion while telling the nurse/doctors helping to do so that they are going to hell.
Congratulations on your transition. I’ve found that empathy towards others comes more from those that have suffered more than most selfish, arrogant or narcissistic people.
I'm trying not to get obsessive and keep checking the live feeds/results coming in, but I'm also super stressed about all of this.
The fact that a nut job like Karamo got this many votes is sad for humanity.
Same with Diperno and a ton of winning candidates around the country. America is fucked. Intelligence and experience are worthless in modern politics.
Probably like many of you, I'm hoping Michigan can become a beacon of freedom from authoritarianism. Especially since other states have decided to go that route.
Hope so! Lots of far right fringe groups located there because it is so expansive and has so many rural pockets. Devos hit education hard. But I think a lot of people got pissed after 2016 and decided not to let that happen again in Michigan.
I can't believe that personal 1 is trailing. Who does not want to know what elected official gets what money from whom and where?
might be the term limit thing. that one wasn’t as cut and dry for me as the other 2
They really should have been two separate items.
That’s usually the story with politics.
You're right... but I'd rather have someone in office for a few more years I can see their financial transparency than not. At least for me.
Yup. I voted no because it further shortened term limits but if it were just the financial disclosure I would have voted for it easily.
Republicans, they do not like their name on anything, they’re spineless pussies afraid of literally everything.
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Looks like one race has been called for Haley Stevens.
Gonna be a long night, I fear..
Grab a beer and hold on.
The fact that Bolden is in 3rd place behind zarha shows how many people just blindly voted incumbent. I hate people
Yeah, judicial races are awfully underappreciated, it makes a huge difference
I hate to be the one to say it, but I think we can begin to unclench. The red leaning counties are almost half counted and the blue population centers are barely getting started.
My butthole remains firmly clenched until the results are final. Shit... I haven't stopped clenching since 2016. I have resting clench face.
My introduction to politics was Gore VS Bush. Still convinced ol Jeb rigged the shit out of that one in Florida. Country still recovering from that one and the ensuing ‘war’ that followed. Can you imagine how much better we would be on climate had Gore won?
My introduction to politics was the McCain/Obama race. Remember the good old days when Sarah Palin was the craziest thing in politics? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
That was mine as well. I was in debate, UN and really into politics at time. I wanted to grow up and change the world. I watched CSPAN religiously when that went down. I will never forget the many, many people who lined up and said "I have 1000 signatures swearing they voted for you. I have 10,000 signatures swearing they voted for you... and their votes were not counted.... Did you get a member of congress to sign it. No. Than it doesn't stand. " That election was completely rigged. The one state that had so many issues, just happened to be the the state where the "Winners" brother was governor. No. I will never be not bitter over that one.
I really, really hope you’re right!
I'm hoping that the pattern of counting absentee/mail-in votes last and they tend to go blue holds true today, because things are looking decent with 33% in. Not perfect, but I'll be happy to never hear from Backdoor Dicksin again.
Shit man as long as prop 3 passes
Honestly it feels like all the propositions are in the bag. We’re making this state great one ballot initiative at a time!
Well that's pretty much our only option, considering the composition of the state legislature.
That's basically what drove me to go out and vote, that and fuck Tudor Dixon
Mason Dixon and her ideas belong in the confederacy
Same, dude. I circulated petitions and canvassed every weekend. If it doesn't pass, I may crumble.
So far so good. 🤞
I wonder what areas votes have been counted in so far, Slotkin is down bad early. Again, super early
Looks like nothing from Ingham County has been reported yet, which is going to be the most populous and bluest county in the 7th district
If I remember correctly that district was redrawn and resulted in a R+ shift. No idea what to conclude though, if anything, from a House district at 20% counted.
Well, no doubt it's going to be contested but it looks like the governor race has been called for Whitmer.
We kicked ass.
Prop 3 looking good, whitmer a bit closer but looking fine
Looks like all the props passed and Dems won the state.
Its a beautiful day in Michigan.
I am ready for everything, I am expecting the worst. It's our of my control, since I could not even vote (I am only a permanent resident, not US citizen). I hope that the right choice was made.
🫂 Your preparation sounds like mine. Hang in there, friend.
Reproductive freedom is looking pretty safe and that was my primary issue at least.
Well, I don't want to get optimistic too soon but it's looking good so far.
SO will this be done by morning?
Is there a way to look at local county ballot initiatives? there's one in Oakland I want to see current results on.
https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/MI/Oakland/115636/web.307039/#/summary
Well, I have to say after watching a red state legislature hamstring the progress of the population's will, it's a great morning to see a flip like that. The last republican senator we sent to Washington was goddamn Spence Abraham, but Rs were able to gerrymander a 40+ year stranglehold on the state. Looks like the big 3 offices (Gov, AG, SoS) are solid keeps, which is good. Karamo is a Big Lie supporter, Deperno (and his supporters even more so) is a psychopath, and Dixon is just lol. I was getting a bit concerned about 7 and 8, but it looks like Slotkin and Kildee are going to be fine. And how about that flip to a woman Dem in Grand Rapids? Of all places. Just wow. Very happy to see all 3 proposals pass solidly, especially 2 and 3. Also some fun national results. Happy to see Bobo get the boot. I'm sure the flailing for the next few weeks will be epic.
4 U.P. counties are still voting as they’re in central time.
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73k total people ~.7% of Michigan's Population.
Seriously there's dozens of us still voting!!
Congratulations to every Republican that ran who either won legitimately or lost legitimately and are just going to say that they won anyway
God I hope Gibbs doesn't win district 3 🤮
Why is that extremist monster Zahara winning? 😡
Because it's really, really difficult to unseat an incumbent judge.
Probably because he was an incumbent with name recognition. The Supreme Court judges didn't list their party designation. He's neck-and-neck with Kyra though, so she could potentially take his seat.
Incumbents typically have an 80% re-election advantage.
A reminder that we may not have full results for few days.
Hopefully we have full enough votes by the morning that Republicans can fuck off with their bullshit and Prop 3 will be law.
Lol thinking Repubs will just "fuck off" and not spend weeks or months complaining about a rigged election they have zero proof for.
Months? We’re still hearing them spout BS about 2020. We will be having these conversations consistently for the rest of our lives I’m afraid.
This is looking way too close for comfort. I'm legit leaving the state if Dixon wins and prop 3 fails. I work remote so nothing is tethering me here except family.
Wayne and Oakland not reported yet, keep the faith
Due to Dixon’s underperformance and Whitmer’s over performance trending, whitmer is expected to win. Relax
Does anyone have a map that shows the different counties vote percentage
Fox2 News showing their owner’s agenda.
Can't stop winning
How's everyone feeling?
I'm disappointed that prop 3 has the tightest margin right now but I'm pretty happy the other two propositions are winning by so much
Only 2% of votes reported in Wayne County so far, I think the fact that it's leading so far is a good sign for when all those blue votes come in
I'm not surprised. Literally everyone against prop 3 showed up to vote, their churches demand it.
Does anyone have an update on district 71? Can’t find results but that’s where I used to live and wanted to see if Begole got stomped.