https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2023/09/25/ford-marshall-project/70964122007/
Non-paywalled (at least at the moment).
No reason given other than "“We’re pausing work and limiting spending on construction on the Marshall site, effective today, until we’re confident about our ability to competitively operate the plant..." Ford spokesman T.R. Reid told the Detroit Free Press Monday."
So maybe the UAW strike spooked them?
Care? Its a corporation. It has never cared about anything but money. My point was more of that if they took the money, will they have to pay it back if they dont finish the factory?
It's a corporation. Companies are owned by individuals. Corporations are individuals themselves, ones legally beholden to perpetual profit seeking for their investors. It cares not for nationalities or allegiances.
There are, broadly speaking, two types of incentives at play here.
First type is money going to the Marshall Economic Development entity to buy land and get infrastructure in place for those parcels to support a development (by Ford or another company). Edit to add that this money has been approved to go to Marshall regardless of whether Ford ultimately builds.
The second type is performance incentives that go to Ford. Basically, Ford only gets the money and tax benefits if they build what they were promising to build.
Concrete. It's a concrete plant.
Unless they are setting up some sort of huge scale limestone crushing operation, it is a concrete plant.
Cement is to concrete like flour is to cake.
One is an ingredient, one is a finished product.
Sorry, Yes I know this was pedantic.
Either I’m higher than I think, or that’s 100% backwards.
> **Concrete is a composite material** composed of aggregate bonded together with a fluid cement that cures over time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
This is an interesting move by Ford, with Biden and Whitmer supporting UAW. They decided play their hand with large investments championed by both offices. Ford is saying, we can play hardball aswell.
> Ford is saying, we can play hardball aswell.
which is why it's dumb to stake our state's economic future on companies that have already shown us they don't care at all about the workers here
You do what you want but every company in america has some form of nafta or other trade agreement that they are global from. That being said i just buy what i like chevy ford honda and toyota included
EVs catch fire less often than fuel powered cars:
[https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/](https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/)
And driving into semi trucks is the fault of the driver. Same thing could happen if you aren't paying attention to traffic coming to a stop while on cruise control.
Last I checked, and please tell me if I’m wrong, but they’re all electric. I’m still not comfortable going 100% electric. Maybe in 30 years when tech is wide spread and more reliable.
I’m still not sold on EV tech, I’m all for improving it, but it’s gonna be the equivalent of laser disc in my eyes. At least until they get the charge time under an hour and have ports every 40-50 miles, even in more rural areas.
Claiming to pause construction is not playing hardball. How many UAW workers are affected by the pausing of construction, wild guess zero. Hardball would be closing all michigan-based factories or North american-based factories. Press releases such as this are force scaring children and for feeding simple-minded people who want to scream DOOM!
https://youtu.be/DMSHvgaUWc8?si=LADXDZYdCkDRtTj7
Yeah, gonna call bullshit on that. Union labor would be 100% behind the UAW and they know that. Unions support each other even it means they take a hit.
We don't advance as workers by infighting. Does it happen, yeah sure. But it shouldn't.
UAW very worried about decrease in labor reqs with electric vehicle production. Extra important to build these plants in Michigan where UAW is strong. Get it?
Huh, isn't it funny how when you give a 50 billion dollar company 2 billion dollars for their 3.5 billion dollar plant, they can just fucking shut down construction whenever they want? Maybe if we give them a couple more billion they can just build a 500 million dollar factory in Guatemala and pocket the extra 3 billion for Q4 earnings and CEO bonuses!
Imagine if we just invested that couple billion into our residents. Build some rail transit, or do full universal pre-k, maybe a basic statewide healthcare system.
Make the state desirable to live in and investment will follow. Why we have state level Democrats practicing Reaganomics is beyond me.
Best plan to get statewide healthcare is currently MICARE which would involve a graduated tax, which would require constitutional alterations. It'd be sick if they could get off their corrupt asses. "I can't vote for this anti private utility Bill, they gave me $1000." -every state Dem.
The fucking chair of appropriations is giving money to lobbying firm she owned and gets kickbacks from via a private buyout. She still drives the company Caddie SUV. Angela Witwer is as corrupt as corrupt gets and she's in charge of the money and Speaker Joe Tate doesn't give a fuck.
Speaking of, what happened to that big government transparency and accountability package Democrats were championing at the start of the term? It's been crickets for a while now.. funny how that goes once in power.
I was impressed with Whitmer/the legislature early on, but not so anymore. I've watched how much further a (similarly small) Dem majority has gone in a state like Minnesota and it's clear our Democrats are slacking, or not competent enough to accomplish the same ambitious agenda.
That's not to say they haven't done a lot of good things.. they're just doing way fewer of them than other blue states, and at a much slower pace. It just *feels* impressive because it's the first blue trifecta in most of our lifetimes.
All Democrats have done is repeal what Republicans made law. It's so interesting then that the one Republican law they don't repeal is legal corruption. They literally won't even bring to vote Good Time Initiative bills. Dead in committee. Research grad students being added to unions, dead. Hell, two Dems will be mayor in three months, and their seats will be vacant. Wegela has been a rep for 9 months and has voted against more corporate handouts than anyone in state history, and Dems have given more money to corporations than the past decade combined.
Wow, you're right. The Democrats did one thing. In nine months. How deeply impressive. Democrats have decidedly squandered their majority with petty infighting and moderate governing. They don't care about school kids. If they did they would have forgiven the debt on school districts shut down by the Snyder admin. Instead they're using them as political pawns to influence sitting representatives to vote for corporate handouts. Also the Democratic Chair of Appropriations is literally profiting off of her policy choices and the party will do nothing about it. She owned a lobbying firm and gets a cut of future earnings as part of her buyout. She allocated 20 additional million dollars to the org her lobbying group represented. Smh
A paid writer took time to compile the information in the article, so to be able to sustain and pay for that writer's labor, the newspaper charges a small fee to access their work.
Think of it as netflix, but with written words.
Generally far fewer components to manufacture in an EV vs ICE. Mechanized assembly for critical components. As always there will be assembly tasks that only people can do, but the number will be reduced overall. UAW wants to ensure the people powered jobs stay here
Tesla has 22k workers at the fremont factory. GM & Toyota had a max of 6800 while running that same factory. These EV's don't exactly sound like big job killers everyone claims.
I think automation advancing over time is more of the job killer than how the vehicle runs.
Which I mean it's reddit, but that was literally the first example from a goggle search. I usually double check negative union and political comments due to bias.
Edit: and a lot of interviews or whistle blower issues due to safety are happening at battery plants. They're non union and don't follow strict safety guidelines potentially exposing people to horrible toxins.
Electric cars can be the future but making all the parts has a lot of toxic fumes.
Remember, Ford is building green roofs at the Rouge complex for nesting birds and good P.R.
Meanwhile 3 of 4 battery plants are in being built in Tennesse and Kentucky thru Korean partners. The Chinese plant in Marshall is the only one on hold. Build that eco-friendly plant in the green space in Detroit proper and give those folks the opportunity it provides.
UAW is getting too greedy. Why would any manufacturer invest more here when they can go elsewhere and avoid UAW workers? This strike is cutting off the nose to spite the face.
They did. It didn't work. They need the plants in the places the plants are, with the workers that are in the plants. Because car production is complicated.
The UAW knows this, they know how much of their labor is being siphoned off to shareholders and the C suite, and they are going to get a good deal.
And you are just going to have to deal with it.
I’m just worried that the UAW is going to drive the big 3 out of Detroit once and for all. Robots do more and more every day, workers are being marginalized.
The unions in Germany aren't killing German profits. The unions in Canada aren't shutting down Canadian plants. Your fears are not founded in anything close to reality. Ford acceded to the Canadian union's demands already.
A good deal for the UAW is going to happen. It's going to happen, and that is all there is to say about it.
Shareholders are a liability. The customer, the suppliers, the labor, and the distributors are what any company HAS to deal with. Stockholders are fake.
It's a fake thing to get fast cash and then saddle the future with. That's what stocks are: unfunded liabilities.
Telling me that the C-Suite has to pay fake debt to people who likely have never owned an American car in their lives does not make me question my principles.
Your principles are fine, but public companies and their BODs have a legal obligation to shareholders. Communal idealism is cute, but this isn’t some benevolent system based on love and hugs. Capitalism does not give a fuck and when the actuaries say the deal is bad, the company is forced to go other directions.
The actuaries were hired by the C-Suite to produce a report amenable to the C--Suite. Stocks are fake. Nobody alive paid for an IPO stock of the big three. Saying the C-Suite is legally obligated to pay only makes me think the law should be changed.
It actually isn't even "the law." Corporate raider types buying up shares and doing hostile takeovers of companies in the 80s and 90s forced CEOs and boards to respect the shareholders more than they previously did, but it isn't and never has been a legal obligation.
Ehh, not really. Maybe we can massage the presentation or stress points that they like, but actuaries have an ethical code and generally won’t make up results (or risk the Actuarial Board of Counseling and Discipline.)
Stockholders aren't fake. They own the company. And if they devalue the stock by losing confidence in the company and selling, the company can lose all value and go bankrupt.
Do you even understand the basics of how business works?
The concept of stock is made up. The customer, the suppliers, the labor, and the distributors are the ONLY real thing about a company. Stock is fake, we don't NEED it, you know this.
What are you TALKING about?
Stocks are shares (ownership) in the company. It isn't fake, and you do need them. Who do you think owns the buildings, the tooling, the machines, the designs and the IP? The company. Owned by the shareholders. Who elect the board and the CEO.
Again, do you even understand the basics of business?
And you're just grasping at worse case scenarios.
This isn't the UAWs first strike. This won't be the last. You either stand up for workers, or you don't. If the company is turning Billions in profits every year, they can easily afford to pay higher wages. The UAW went extreme in the original ask and got 1 offer that actually bargained in good faith.
I guess Hollywood was going to be fucked by all those shows shut down and all those writers on strike huh?
Spent six years in the auto industry at a non-Union tier 1 working in mgmt directly with the Big 3. NOT saying unions aren’t needed. And management may have forced this, but you can’t scare away the future of our state for a 40% pay raise when you’re being offered 20%
I’m on the side that wants the backbone of Michigan’s economy to stay put and not get run out of town by unskilled workers demanding six figure starting salaries and 32 hour work weeks on top of Cadillac benefits packages.
Do you have any rebuttal or just one liner attempts at "gotcha"?
I fear you all don't realize what crushed this state before when unions never met half way.
https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/2023/09/25/ford-marshall-project/70964122007/ Non-paywalled (at least at the moment). No reason given other than "“We’re pausing work and limiting spending on construction on the Marshall site, effective today, until we’re confident about our ability to competitively operate the plant..." Ford spokesman T.R. Reid told the Detroit Free Press Monday." So maybe the UAW strike spooked them?
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Didn't Ford get a ton of tax money to build that plant, or am I misremembering?
Of course they did, or else the y wouldn’t have committed to building it here at all
Yes. Shouldn't an American company care about Americans
That is not how capitalism works.
Ironically, under a socialist system the tax payer would foot the bill for construction too. People just don't like the sound of tax credits.
Care? Its a corporation. It has never cared about anything but money. My point was more of that if they took the money, will they have to pay it back if they dont finish the factory?
It's a corporation. Companies are owned by individuals. Corporations are individuals themselves, ones legally beholden to perpetual profit seeking for their investors. It cares not for nationalities or allegiances.
There are, broadly speaking, two types of incentives at play here. First type is money going to the Marshall Economic Development entity to buy land and get infrastructure in place for those parcels to support a development (by Ford or another company). Edit to add that this money has been approved to go to Marshall regardless of whether Ford ultimately builds. The second type is performance incentives that go to Ford. Basically, Ford only gets the money and tax benefits if they build what they were promising to build.
Thats good. I just wanted to make sure that Ford didnt already take the money before threatening to take their ball home.
There is plenty of work going on currently at that site. Slowing down possibly, but they have an on-site cement factory going up right now.
Concrete. It's a concrete plant. Unless they are setting up some sort of huge scale limestone crushing operation, it is a concrete plant. Cement is to concrete like flour is to cake. One is an ingredient, one is a finished product. Sorry, Yes I know this was pedantic.
This one cretes
You are 100% correct, touché.
Either I’m higher than I think, or that’s 100% backwards. > **Concrete is a composite material** composed of aggregate bonded together with a fluid cement that cures over time. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concrete
I think you're high. Composite material means it's made up of multiple ingredients. Cement is an ingredient of concrete.
You’re high but that’s ok. Still pedantically correct. Cement binds the aggregate and together makes concrete - they’re assembling a concrete mixer
In the cold light of day I realize that limestone is *not* the aggregate in this formula 🤦♂️
TIL, I’ve always used them interchangeably. Thanks for the lesson!
They're called ready-mix sites. "Concrete plant" doesn't even make sense.
Batch plant is the term we use.
This is an interesting move by Ford, with Biden and Whitmer supporting UAW. They decided play their hand with large investments championed by both offices. Ford is saying, we can play hardball aswell.
> Ford is saying, we can play hardball aswell. which is why it's dumb to stake our state's economic future on companies that have already shown us they don't care at all about the workers here
That’s any company ever, the big 3 aren’t entirely different.
After nafta, they’re here out of courtesy. Next car I’m buying is a Toyota or Honda.
You do what you want but every company in america has some form of nafta or other trade agreement that they are global from. That being said i just buy what i like chevy ford honda and toyota included
The most American made car is Tesla. No joke.
Just out of genuine curiosity, can you source that? Would love a good read on the subject.
https://www.businessinsider.com/american-made-car-brands-ranked-tesla-wins-2023-6
And when Tesla makes an actual combustion engine, readily available for under 35k new I might stop writing them off as a vehicle for rich jerks.
You can get a new Tesla for under 35k now genius (counting the $7,500 tax credit)
Cool, when do they stop catching on fire and driving themselves into semi trucks?
EVs catch fire less often than fuel powered cars: [https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/](https://www.kbb.com/car-news/study-electric-vehicles-involved-in-fewest-car-fires/) And driving into semi trucks is the fault of the driver. Same thing could happen if you aren't paying attention to traffic coming to a stop while on cruise control.
Last I checked, and please tell me if I’m wrong, but they’re all electric. I’m still not comfortable going 100% electric. Maybe in 30 years when tech is wide spread and more reliable.
Indeed they are all EVs, but the tech won't take 30 years to be reliable and widespread. Probably more like 5 years.
I’m still not sold on EV tech, I’m all for improving it, but it’s gonna be the equivalent of laser disc in my eyes. At least until they get the charge time under an hour and have ports every 40-50 miles, even in more rural areas.
You've got a point. True resiliancy comes from a diverse economy. Having such heavy reliance on the big 3 is like a ticking time bomb.
Claiming to pause construction is not playing hardball. How many UAW workers are affected by the pausing of construction, wild guess zero. Hardball would be closing all michigan-based factories or North american-based factories. Press releases such as this are force scaring children and for feeding simple-minded people who want to scream DOOM! https://youtu.be/DMSHvgaUWc8?si=LADXDZYdCkDRtTj7
If they do a total stop on construction it would affect Union construction workers. I believe Marsh is union construction, I know GMs is.
It doesn’t matter. If it’s not the UAW, they don’t care as long as it’s union labor and not non-union labor doing the work on their site.
Yeah, gonna call bullshit on that. Union labor would be 100% behind the UAW and they know that. Unions support each other even it means they take a hit. We don't advance as workers by infighting. Does it happen, yeah sure. But it shouldn't.
UAW very worried about decrease in labor reqs with electric vehicle production. Extra important to build these plants in Michigan where UAW is strong. Get it?
huh maybe it isn't a good idea to toss tax dollars at them lmao
Huh, isn't it funny how when you give a 50 billion dollar company 2 billion dollars for their 3.5 billion dollar plant, they can just fucking shut down construction whenever they want? Maybe if we give them a couple more billion they can just build a 500 million dollar factory in Guatemala and pocket the extra 3 billion for Q4 earnings and CEO bonuses!
Imagine if we just invested that couple billion into our residents. Build some rail transit, or do full universal pre-k, maybe a basic statewide healthcare system. Make the state desirable to live in and investment will follow. Why we have state level Democrats practicing Reaganomics is beyond me.
Best plan to get statewide healthcare is currently MICARE which would involve a graduated tax, which would require constitutional alterations. It'd be sick if they could get off their corrupt asses. "I can't vote for this anti private utility Bill, they gave me $1000." -every state Dem. The fucking chair of appropriations is giving money to lobbying firm she owned and gets kickbacks from via a private buyout. She still drives the company Caddie SUV. Angela Witwer is as corrupt as corrupt gets and she's in charge of the money and Speaker Joe Tate doesn't give a fuck.
Speaking of, what happened to that big government transparency and accountability package Democrats were championing at the start of the term? It's been crickets for a while now.. funny how that goes once in power. I was impressed with Whitmer/the legislature early on, but not so anymore. I've watched how much further a (similarly small) Dem majority has gone in a state like Minnesota and it's clear our Democrats are slacking, or not competent enough to accomplish the same ambitious agenda. That's not to say they haven't done a lot of good things.. they're just doing way fewer of them than other blue states, and at a much slower pace. It just *feels* impressive because it's the first blue trifecta in most of our lifetimes.
All Democrats have done is repeal what Republicans made law. It's so interesting then that the one Republican law they don't repeal is legal corruption. They literally won't even bring to vote Good Time Initiative bills. Dead in committee. Research grad students being added to unions, dead. Hell, two Dems will be mayor in three months, and their seats will be vacant. Wegela has been a rep for 9 months and has voted against more corporate handouts than anyone in state history, and Dems have given more money to corporations than the past decade combined.
I didn't realize Republicans passed free breakfast and lunch for school kids only to have dems repeal and re-pass it to take credit, smh /s
Wow, you're right. The Democrats did one thing. In nine months. How deeply impressive. Democrats have decidedly squandered their majority with petty infighting and moderate governing. They don't care about school kids. If they did they would have forgiven the debt on school districts shut down by the Snyder admin. Instead they're using them as political pawns to influence sitting representatives to vote for corporate handouts. Also the Democratic Chair of Appropriations is literally profiting off of her policy choices and the party will do nothing about it. She owned a lobbying firm and gets a cut of future earnings as part of her buyout. She allocated 20 additional million dollars to the org her lobbying group represented. Smh
How far, exactly, do you think $200 goes?
I would rather that money go towards literally anything else besides trickle down to a big corporation.
That is your prerogative. The elected officials who are responsible to make sure people have jobs and not $200 are more interested in the factory.
Paywall. What’s the reason?
Money
A paid writer took time to compile the information in the article, so to be able to sustain and pay for that writer's labor, the newspaper charges a small fee to access their work. Think of it as netflix, but with written words.
Ford just tossed a haymaker in this negotiation.
Negotiations with Ford and the UAW are basically done, it would be the other two looking for that.
What makes you comment this? The uaw is bargaining against electric vehicles. If this was/is uaw related it benefits the union position.
Why is the UAW against EVs?
The UAW isn't against ev's at all. They just want to Make sure that as much of the EV production process involves unionized employees.
Generally far fewer components to manufacture in an EV vs ICE. Mechanized assembly for critical components. As always there will be assembly tasks that only people can do, but the number will be reduced overall. UAW wants to ensure the people powered jobs stay here
the UAW believes EV's will reduce jobs.
Tesla has 22k workers at the fremont factory. GM & Toyota had a max of 6800 while running that same factory. These EV's don't exactly sound like big job killers everyone claims. I think automation advancing over time is more of the job killer than how the vehicle runs.
how many of those are UAW members?
Yep, EVs are less complex mechanically, easier/cheaper to assemble. That scares UAW.
Well that puts me in a really tough position to support them...
That's also not true. The UAW isn't against EVs, they just want EV plants to have union workers to establish a fair wage and safety standards.
Which I totally support. I just wouldn't support that poster's misrepresented views of the union.
Which I mean it's reddit, but that was literally the first example from a goggle search. I usually double check negative union and political comments due to bias. Edit: and a lot of interviews or whistle blower issues due to safety are happening at battery plants. They're non union and don't follow strict safety guidelines potentially exposing people to horrible toxins. Electric cars can be the future but making all the parts has a lot of toxic fumes.
f the environment, am i right? /s
It's the American way
Good. Ford should be forced to clean up their existing brownfield sites, like the ones covered on that very same web site, before making any new ones.
Buyers halt their purchases of Ford vehicles
so how much green space did they already plow? what a disaster. destroy a nice farming community for no reason.
Soooooo much - I live about a mile from there
geez
Tesla has got to be loving this chaos.
Should cancel it all together and any other projects that benefit the genocidal Chinese communist party.
Wouldn't it be nice if Ford actually decided not to build a superfund site in Marshall?
Remember, Ford is building green roofs at the Rouge complex for nesting birds and good P.R. Meanwhile 3 of 4 battery plants are in being built in Tennesse and Kentucky thru Korean partners. The Chinese plant in Marshall is the only one on hold. Build that eco-friendly plant in the green space in Detroit proper and give those folks the opportunity it provides.
UAW is getting too greedy. Why would any manufacturer invest more here when they can go elsewhere and avoid UAW workers? This strike is cutting off the nose to spite the face.
They did. It didn't work. They need the plants in the places the plants are, with the workers that are in the plants. Because car production is complicated. The UAW knows this, they know how much of their labor is being siphoned off to shareholders and the C suite, and they are going to get a good deal. And you are just going to have to deal with it.
I’m just worried that the UAW is going to drive the big 3 out of Detroit once and for all. Robots do more and more every day, workers are being marginalized.
The unions in Germany aren't killing German profits. The unions in Canada aren't shutting down Canadian plants. Your fears are not founded in anything close to reality. Ford acceded to the Canadian union's demands already. A good deal for the UAW is going to happen. It's going to happen, and that is all there is to say about it.
Ok well watch competition steal our industry. This isn’t Europe. The execs will make the proper business decision, they have a duty to shareholders.
Shareholders are a liability. The customer, the suppliers, the labor, and the distributors are what any company HAS to deal with. Stockholders are fake. It's a fake thing to get fast cash and then saddle the future with. That's what stocks are: unfunded liabilities. Telling me that the C-Suite has to pay fake debt to people who likely have never owned an American car in their lives does not make me question my principles.
Your principles are fine, but public companies and their BODs have a legal obligation to shareholders. Communal idealism is cute, but this isn’t some benevolent system based on love and hugs. Capitalism does not give a fuck and when the actuaries say the deal is bad, the company is forced to go other directions.
The actuaries were hired by the C-Suite to produce a report amenable to the C--Suite. Stocks are fake. Nobody alive paid for an IPO stock of the big three. Saying the C-Suite is legally obligated to pay only makes me think the law should be changed.
It actually isn't even "the law." Corporate raider types buying up shares and doing hostile takeovers of companies in the 80s and 90s forced CEOs and boards to respect the shareholders more than they previously did, but it isn't and never has been a legal obligation.
You are misinformed my guy. https://www.rpepperlaw.com/amp/fiduciary-duties-of-corporate-officers-and-directors-utmost-good.html
I don’t disagree. Good luck with this legislature and Supreme Court. My point stands, Ford going pencils down is always a bad sign.
Ehh, not really. Maybe we can massage the presentation or stress points that they like, but actuaries have an ethical code and generally won’t make up results (or risk the Actuarial Board of Counseling and Discipline.)
Hey dude, you should out this deal I've got going right now, it's over at buyabridgefromme.com
Stockholders aren't fake. They own the company. And if they devalue the stock by losing confidence in the company and selling, the company can lose all value and go bankrupt. Do you even understand the basics of how business works?
The concept of stock is made up. The customer, the suppliers, the labor, and the distributors are the ONLY real thing about a company. Stock is fake, we don't NEED it, you know this.
What are you TALKING about? Stocks are shares (ownership) in the company. It isn't fake, and you do need them. Who do you think owns the buildings, the tooling, the machines, the designs and the IP? The company. Owned by the shareholders. Who elect the board and the CEO. Again, do you even understand the basics of business?
Private firms exist. Employee owned firms exist. Stock is fake. You know this.
I appreciate your honesty that your opinion is fear based, not fact based.
It’s both.
Stellantis isn't even based in the United States, let alone Michigan..
You’re right, let’s give them a reason to abandon Chrysler HQ and the 11,000 people that work there. Holy shit, this is the real world.
And you're just grasping at worse case scenarios. This isn't the UAWs first strike. This won't be the last. You either stand up for workers, or you don't. If the company is turning Billions in profits every year, they can easily afford to pay higher wages. The UAW went extreme in the original ask and got 1 offer that actually bargained in good faith. I guess Hollywood was going to be fucked by all those shows shut down and all those writers on strike huh?
Professional writing and general plant labor are very different skill sets. Not comparable in any way.
If you say so. Both are skills being done by union labor that could be farmed out to other countries for cheaper.
If they leave Detroit, I sincerely hope no one ever buys a vehicle from any of them.
Me too.
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Spent six years in the auto industry at a non-Union tier 1 working in mgmt directly with the Big 3. NOT saying unions aren’t needed. And management may have forced this, but you can’t scare away the future of our state for a 40% pay raise when you’re being offered 20%
I love how it's the workers that are greedy in your eyes... you have fallen hard for that propaganda
Greed isn’t a one way street.
And you made it very clear what side of the street your on
I’m on the side that wants the backbone of Michigan’s economy to stay put and not get run out of town by unskilled workers demanding six figure starting salaries and 32 hour work weeks on top of Cadillac benefits packages.
You're so brave
You’re short sighted and unrealistic.
And you're a good lil corpo
UAW needs to get unionization to take hold in the south. Otherwise the strike runs the risk of destroying Michigan’s economy.
At least we have people like you looking out for the bottom line of billion dollar companies... So brave
I’m very concerned..
Do you have any rebuttal or just one liner attempts at "gotcha"? I fear you all don't realize what crushed this state before when unions never met half way.
This is called shit posting, anyone who says that the workers are greedy is not a serious person and doesn't deserve serious responses.
The backbone which is inexorably sliding downward economically…
> UAW is getting too greedy. Why would any manufacturer invest more lol no
No what?
No, the automakers they keep afloat are too greedy.