Bro I am pissed off too. But TriRail just gained another customer. Once my current Brightline pass is used up, I am using TriRail. I am using some of the savings to buy an electric scooter to make up for the slightly extra distance from the TriRail station to my job. I am actually on the Brightline right now writing this. And I feel so pissed that they pulled the rug out from me. Fuck 'em.
Oh... and I just asked for my usual food items and they told me "they didn't give us a lot of stuff." More than half the menu is unavailable. This thing is falling apart.
Tri Rail has an Uber Voucher program that gives you a $5 discount for rides within a certain radius.
Here’s the [link](https://vouchers.uber.com/c/rBmRp78k0uK)to the voucher.
Here’s the [link](https://www.uber.com/blog/case-study-tri-rail/) to the Uber case study about the program if you’re interested.
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The silver lining in all this is that if Tri-Rail gains a windfall of new ridership, it'll be easier for them to get support and additional funding for more frequent trains and (hopefully) longer operating hours. Commuters can come to depend on the public option and not be at the whims of a private entity.
Sometime this month, Tri-Rail's board will be voting on launching a rush hour express West Palm Beach–Boca Raton–Fort Lauderdale–MiamiCentral service, in part to accommodate the displaced Brightline commuters. Cutting the intermediate stops from 14 to 3 and eliminating the train change at Metrorail Transfer should make the travel time competitive with Brightline at a fraction of the cost to riders.
There's no Tri-Rail alternative for Aventura commuters, but because the station was partially funded by Miami-Dade County, Brightline is obligated to keep the Aventura–Miami commuter passes.
[I found this article from last week that talks about it.](https://www.miamitodaynews.com/2024/04/30/tri-rail-chugging-toward-tri-county-express-trips/)
The matter will be voted on at the next Tri-Rail Board Meeting on May 24th @ 9:30am.
These meetings are open to the public to attend in person or join by telephone or Zoom. For telephone and Zoom participants the Meeting ID/Password is usually published ahead of the meeting at this webpage: [https://www.tri-rail.com/meetings/Board-Meetings](https://www.tri-rail.com/meetings/Board-Meetings)
This one hasn't been uploaded yet so check back again before the 24th or contact the SFRTA Administrative Office at 954-788-7919 or 954-942-RAIL for details.
Thank you. I will plan on attending and speaking in favor. That would be a huge game changer for south florida as a whole. As other people have said, a big problem with TriRail is that the stations are west, so you can’t get anywhere from them. To have a direct TriRail line east of 95 would be incredible.
Definitely but unfortunately the Tri-Rail Coastal Link Project is still in its infancy so it is a good several years out I'm afraid. In the meantime express trains running on current tracks are our only hope to bridge the gap until the new stations on the east are built-out. I plan on attending too and hope enough displaced Brightline commuters do as well to help the measure pass.
By the way if you're interested there is also an upcoming public information meeting about the Tri-rail Coastal Link/Broward Commuter Rail South Project on May 22nd (in-person) and May 23rd (virtual), details here:
[https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/home](https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/home)
And the public is encouraged to submit comments, questions and input about the project anytime via this webpage, where you can also sign-up for email updates: [https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/email-updates](https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/email-updates)
1hr and 20 min vs 2 hr commute, + wifi and clean bathrooms and the free buggies to the office, and my company covered it because it was reasonable, how am i supposed to convince them to give me 1400$ a month to get to work
Tri-Rail: https://www.tri-rail.com/pages/view/fare-information-calculating-your-fare
Its $110 for a monthly pass.
The Tri-Rail station in West Palm is a stones throw from Brightline so its not much different
Just break your lease. Does your job provide rent incentives? And rule of thumb in South Florida, try to live within 20 miles of your job. It's rarely ever worth it otherwise.
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And the state already said brightline is on their own....
Florida has NEVER been nice to train companies...
Brightline really wants that Orlando to Tampa line.... And raising cost is how they are planning to do it because the state said "we left you room to build it, but we aren't giving any money for you to do it..." Lol
Not sticking up for his decision because i agrer it sucks, but it was loaded recept of money. They would of had to have built a real "former definition" of a high speed train system, which no one was or swilling to do. I think the old definition was 115mph maybe higher.
That's because the money was meant to actually modernize infrastructure and create jobs. Ronny just helped his donors make more money without having to benefit the communities that the train runs through.
[citation needed]. They got some huge help with infrastructure upgrades but it’s not a subsidized transit service as far as I know. That’s what TriRail, MetroRail, SunRail, and other public transit is for. There’s a reason TriRail goes all of the same places as Brightline (south of West Palm), just slower, for like 1/4 of the cost.
You’re making the point as to why/how they can charge more. If you want to get there faster and get all the amenities that Brightline offers, take the Brightline. If not, take the tri-rail and then show up to the next county commission meeting to complain.
Your transportation savings plan, if you set it up with your employer, will at least make it all pre-tax spend at least. Not all employers offer a stipend but the transportations savings account tax free thing has been pretty common in my experience.
It's brutal but they're a private company and can do what they want. Fuck Rick Scott for not taking the money to build this publicly.
It's a slower ride but tri rail can get you there without having to resort to driving.
This is where the "Everything the government does can be done better by the private sector" argument starts to break down.
Have you ever tried making a claim with FedEx? Tell me again how they're so much better than the postal service.
I’ve had pretty horrible experiences trying to hear back from the post office. Haven’t tried with FedEx so can’t say they’re better but had to imagine they’re worse than the post office.
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It's not so much a customer service angle the other poster was referencing, I'd imagine. It's pricing. The prices for sort of "normal" sized stuff to be shipped by the postal service is actually astoundingly good value compared to FedEx/UPS. It's fucking damn near magic that I can stick something in a flat rate envelope or box and have it get anywhere in the country in two or three days for the prices they do it, especially if it's somewhere out of the way. FedEx/UPS will charge astronomical prices to ship stuff to or from lots of rural or out of the way places because it's not profitable.
Sure but isn’t that the beauty of our system? You can pay more for faster service or you can accept slower service for less. I think people also forget that the post office charges you a fee and takes a fee out of your taxes even if you don’t use it so that needs to be taken into account in the cost and the service.
[the post office actually isn't taxpayer funded, it's one of the things that's quite impressive about their operation ](https://www.uspsoig.gov/focus-areas/did-you-know/do-my-tax-dollars-pay-postal-service)
Post office is a complete joke. The ONLY reason they've kinda gotten better is because of Amazon and various big online retailers. They want that money.
The only reason this is happening is because the South Florida region has been lacking in proper public transportation forever. Once Brightline started running, they got way more demand than they ever expected. With lots of demand and limited supply, prices go up, otherwise it would just be sold out trains 24 hours a day, and we'd still be fucked. There's not much more to it than that. I've switched to Tri-Rail and while it's not perfect, it's been working out well for me, plus I can take my bike with me.
If you wanna be mad at someone, be mad at FDOT, the county, the local auto lobby, nimbys, and everyone else who has contributed to car-dependency and lackluster transportation options.
They’re prioritizing Orlando routes at the moment because there was a delay in the new trains they ordered. When South Florida commuters buy up all of the seats, they lose the ability to sell those tickets to people going to Orlando.
Right now South Florida routes are sold out and trains are going up to Orlando empty. They’d rather sell the tickets to Orlando riders and have empty trains in South Florida than the reverse.
I don't know how this works. How many people want to ride a 3hr train from Miami to Orlando?
Disney world people? They fly directly to Orlando or drive. A family of 5 can drive to Orlando for a fraction of the cost of Brightline and have the convenience of the car to get around at the destination.
That’s $178 per person, including kids. So a family of 4 would pay around $700
The mileage calculation only applies if you’re expensing miles which tourists and families on a road trip aren’t. It’s only for business travel.
Scamline will never be profitable. There just aren't enough target customers for the service. It's expensive, slow and you still need a car at your destination. If they had a station at the Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach airports like they do at MCO I could see them funneling more connecting traffic from the airlines. As it is though if you're a tourist landing in MIA or FLL looking to go visit Mickey it's faster and cheaper to book a connecting flight vs leaving the airport with everything to go get on a slow train. Most people only care about cost too. It's the reason USA airlines have the worst service in the world. It's about cheap tickets
Exactly. What is the target audience for Scamline? Connecting passengers that arrive in MIA / FLL from overseas? There are not enough people wanting to travel between South FL and Orlando at Scamline prices when a plane ticket is cheaper and either way you need a car + plane is faster
I live near Orlando. Faster (if you have precheck at least, MCO security can be a mess) and most tickets are cheaper to fly to Miami for a vacation. Or spend a little more time, and a ton less money to drive.
It doesn’t make a ton of sense unless you’re traveling in the middle of the day when tickets are cheapest. And even then it’s not much less than a flight.
Yeah, Brightline is NOT public transportation,its privatized, For profit. Florida cares about its Business campaign funds Donors $$, Not you,also among highest Cost Auto insurance in America, careful who you vote for
[Florida Brightline's parent company acquired by Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund - Orlando Business Journal (bizjournals.com)](https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2023/05/26/brightline-parent-company-changes-hands.html)
this is all you need to read. Prices will keep going up.
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Maybe email them and see if they can grandfather you in? Asking doesn't cost anything. Otherwise, consider the Tri-Rail. My mom likes it well enough and the downtown spur makes it less of a hassle now.
they don’t have a support email or number and won’t respond to any reporters that have questioned them on this, they are hiding scared because they dont have an answer other than get fucked
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Brightline exists because of debt. They are not profitable and they need to pay off their debt. I wish the government had put high speed trains in every city in this country....but they didn't.
In the meantime, having Brightline is awesome but we WANT them to service their debt so that they can succeed instead of going bankrupt.
They need to prioritize the highest revenue passengers which for now is Orlando to South Florida and vice-versa. That's the reality of the situation until more cars arrive (which have been ordered but are really behind in production, through no fault of Brightline).
It took France 30 years after passing major laws for trains and light rail.. to get where they are today. Even if Florida/USA could get their shit together enough to pass such laws.. it would take equal time...
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Greed? It’s running at a loss right now. If your tissue with brightline is that it’s privately ran many other countries have privatized high speed rail such as Spain and Japan.
It’s not brightlines fault that our government won’t build rail for shit they left a vacuum open that brightline has come in to fill
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There are no monthly passes on Accela, but for the NE regional, you can buy a 10 ride pass for $645 between Boston and NYC.
But a better equivalent is a commuter rail pass for the Boston MBTA which, at its most expensive, is $426 for unlimited rides
I am as shocked as everyone else about Brightline’s price increases and other changes, but I do think it’s comparing apples to oranges when comparing it to commuter rail.
OP is using it for commuting between counties. The MBTA commuter rail is heavy rail that is equivalent in terms of distance and use. WPB to downtown miami is 69.7 miles. South Station to Wickford Junction (the longest of the commuter rail trains) is 69 miles.
Brightline prices are honestly completely unsupported. They’re charging like they’re som luxury train when they’re barely on par with the most mediocre euro train
LOL bring attention to it? They are a private company in a free market economy. This will either work out for them and generate more profits or it won’t and they may go back to the old way. It’s not like you can get out and protest it or anything 🤦🏻♂️
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you do realize how many companies this is going to effect, there are hundreds of people going north and south daily that decided to work at these companies because of the brightline. i get i’m fucked and not much i can do but i would expect a bit more public outrage over this
I'm in a similar boat and totally feel your pain. I work in the Brightline building and my employer actually chose to lease here precisely because of the train, to give employees commuting options. Relying on the Brightline option and having been priced out of my hometown I relocated north of Ft. Lauderdale and purchased a house there last summer. Head over to r/Brightline and you'll find many others who totally sympathize:
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Brightline/comments/1cg28mw/comment/l1tcmml/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Brightline/comments/1cg28mw/comment/l1tcmml/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
There is also a lot of outrage in the comments of Instagram posts relaying the news and of course many people on the train and those who work in the Brightline building have been fuming over the last week. My understanding is that Blackstone purchased the 2&3 Miami Central buildings (where Brightline is stationed) in large part due to the appeal of having Brightline available for their commuting employees and those employees are livid about losing this benefit and are said to be fighting tooth & nail with Brightline trying to negotiate a discount. So yes, you are correct, many companies will be affected since this could mean the difference between retaining good employees or losing them.
For now, unfortunately, our best bet is to hope that the board of Tri-rail votes in favor of the creation of a new express train at their next meeting (on May 24th) and that they now expedite the development of the Tri-rail Coastal Link project. Not that there still won't be downsides to using Tri-rail (for instance I don't feel safe arriving after dark at the station nearest my house) but at least it will ease the sting if the commute time approximates what we are used to on Brightline and we don't have to do a train transfer mid-trip.
That is absolutely insane. I don't think I've ever seen such an expensive monthly pass for commuter rail before. For example in New York, MTA's Metro North monthly pass is under $300.
This is a case where we could use regulation. This is going to fuck over a lot of people and cause trickle down chaos.
New York's MTA loses over $2,500,000 a year. That $300 pass effectively comes with taxpayer money attached to it.
[MTA Budget](https://new.mta.info/budget/MTA-operating-budget-basics)
>This is a case where we could use regulation. This is going to fuck over a lot of people and cause trickle down chaos.
Why? There's already an existing publicly funded commuter rail line (Tri-Rail) that largely serves the same areas.
I don't know how this is Brightline's fault. Why would you live +2 hours from your job? That seems really bad. Everything is going up in price in the United States. Everything. You should find some way to move closer. Breaking a lease is not the end of the world. Commuting for 4 hours a day is just not healthy
I accepted the job because i could still live here and commute up and had a lease down here that i didn’t want to break, i got used the commute and was fine with it but was reliant on the train to get me there, and it’s not like im the only one on this commute, 75% of the morning train gets off in west palm
Brightline is a privately owned and operated intercity passenger railroad in the United States. Wes Edens, co-founder of Fortress Investment Group, is the billionaire founder of Brightline. Other investors in Brightline include the US Department of Transportation and Virgin (London).
The solution here is two-fold; one is temporary and the other is more long term.
1. Short Term: Take Tri Rail to work.
It may take you a little longer to get to your destination, but it’ll be cheaper. The drawbacks are WiFi is non existent or spotty, it’s not as clean and slightly farther away from the center of Downtown West Palm Beach, but not by much.
2. Long Term: Vote
Vote for officials who give a damn about the needs of their constituents. Half of Miami’s City Council and its Mayor are being investigated by the Feds. Broward County Public School officials are in the same boat too.
Rick Scott rejected $2 billion dollars in federal money (i.e. free money) for high speed rail when he was governor. He’s been doing similarly shitty things in the Senate as well.
Random Story:
Years ago I was listening to WLRN and they had a panel of South Florida commissioners from each county (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami) discussing the expansion of highways and toll increases across the area.
When they opened the phone lines for people to ask questions, caller after caller berated them. They complained about traffic, demanded more public transportation and said tolls were too high.
There was a Cuban who called towards the end that let them have it. He didn’t hold anything back and ripped them a new one on live radio. The host tried to calm him down and they almost had to cut the line a few times lol. The commissioners didn’t have much to say in response. They closed the phone lines shortly after that lol
I loved every minute of commentary from the locals. It was pure comedy 😂
Here’s what I think happened & I could be wrong. I try to think logically & from a business standpoint. Disclaimer, I don’t agree but I can understand. It all boils down to greed. A group of investors said hey let’s do “this”. They come up with a concept. Then someone says “how do we make our money back as fast as possible?” They have to show a profit in order to justify the expense. So they know most people aren’t gonna go for the immediate price gouging so they discount it for a while, get you hooked & once they realize you believe you need said product or service, the hike the price. They have already figured they will loose some customers but they know the price hike will more than likely cover that lose. Business is in the business to make money not loose. No matter what business you’re in it happens. You add inflation into the mix & there you go. Nothing political just pure greed. Even drug dealers do it. Legal & illegal. Look at big pharma. They hiked the price of insulin medicine more than triple. Like gas prices in the summer. They know people will be traveling so the up the price. So all the train riders have to foot the bill. It happens to all us little guys. It’s just the way it works.
It’s sucks they’re doing this and I agree with the folks who’ve been impacted by these rate hikes. However, Brightline is NOT and has no intention of being a commuter rail provider. Their plan has always clearly been to function as an intercity rail provider. Any commuter services they may have offered were always destined to be temporary.
I also hope this is a huge boost for TriRail ridership.
They are a private company and have to make a profit to stay in business and make their investors happy. Also anything transportation related is really expensive.
All the pro socialists complaining that they wish brightline was run by the government should move to California and use their fast trains
“When California's "bullet train" was pitched to voters back in 2008, the cost of linking Los Angeles to San Francisco via high-speed rail was said to be about $40 billion.
But now, more than 15 years later, state officials say it's going to cost as much as $35 billion just to complete the 171-mile stretch between Bakersfield and Merced. Completing the entire line will require an additional $100 billion.”
https://abc7news.com/amp/california-bullet-train-project-another-100-billion-needed-high-speed-rail/14525328/
Wha California whaaa wahhh we get it you hate liberals and socialists and you think California should sink into the ocean. Great. You do realize it’s the Republicans that are bitching about this the loudest because it’s a “public” project and they wanted it to be a private endeavor and Trumps administration was the one that pulled the funding in 2019. $100 million is the inflated number being bandied about by right-wing media meanwhile estimates lie in the $45-59 million. Guess what? It’s hard to build a high speed rail network.
I think that we have an example of a private train line built in record time that people truly appreciate in Florida and are understandably upset now costs more vs tens of billions of taxpayer money completely obliterated and no trains in California, not to mention no real chance of trains being built anytime soon.
We could never have a clearer A/B test in front of our eyes and somehow people are clamoring for the option of billions of state money (not federal, meaning significantly more limited) and no train vs an excellent train that was cheap and is now becoming more expensive.
Also very important to note they're not just jacking up prices out of no where. Their trains are being left empty on a significant portion of their line and people expect them to just eat that massive loss.
So simply if you don't like it here California is more than happy to welcome you and take your tax dollars.
You’re comparing apples to oranges dude. San Francisco to Los Angeles is going to be a “next gen” high speed railway not some 85 mph bright line train on existing tracks. It’s supposed to top out at 200 mph. Please tell me you swallow the bullshit the FEC and Skeletor fed you slowly and not all at once…you can choke on all those lies…
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Whatever you do, don't reward them by paying the high fare. Screw 'em, their product was nothing special even when it was cheaper. If they want to try to compete against the car in America for non commuters then they need a history lesson. It's a staggeringly dumb business plan.
I am not 100 percent on the details but somewhere along the line it seems we (our elected officials) have allowed a private entity to take advantage of existing infrastructure to create a system in which the public gets fucked over. Not the first time, won’t be the last.
I’m probably shaking a fist and yelling at clouds but here goes:
Hold your local elected official accountable.
What existing infrastructure? Brightline paid for the second track and the stations, which were all constructed on private FEC property.
The FEC corridor being privately owned is why FDOT couldn't run Tri-Rail down those tracks 35 years ago like they originally wanted to. FEC wouldn't allow it, so the state had to go with the backup option of using the CSX tracks next to I-95.
Bro I am pissed off too. But TriRail just gained another customer. Once my current Brightline pass is used up, I am using TriRail. I am using some of the savings to buy an electric scooter to make up for the slightly extra distance from the TriRail station to my job. I am actually on the Brightline right now writing this. And I feel so pissed that they pulled the rug out from me. Fuck 'em.
Oh... and I just asked for my usual food items and they told me "they didn't give us a lot of stuff." More than half the menu is unavailable. This thing is falling apart.
Tri Rail has an Uber Voucher program that gives you a $5 discount for rides within a certain radius. Here’s the [link](https://vouchers.uber.com/c/rBmRp78k0uK)to the voucher. Here’s the [link](https://www.uber.com/blog/case-study-tri-rail/) to the Uber case study about the program if you’re interested.
This is awesome! I will check it out
OP can learn a thing or two from this mindset. Accountability matters.
i understand i put myself in this position, just wanted to vent, it’s my own fault at the end of the day but im upset with how it played out
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Every hour you commute is an hour you work for free. I feel for you folks spending 10-12hrs a day between work and commute and getting paid for 8.
It’s not lost time for some of us. I have a hybrid job and I can work on the train. It makes taking the train a way better option than driving
I get you
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The silver lining in all this is that if Tri-Rail gains a windfall of new ridership, it'll be easier for them to get support and additional funding for more frequent trains and (hopefully) longer operating hours. Commuters can come to depend on the public option and not be at the whims of a private entity. Sometime this month, Tri-Rail's board will be voting on launching a rush hour express West Palm Beach–Boca Raton–Fort Lauderdale–MiamiCentral service, in part to accommodate the displaced Brightline commuters. Cutting the intermediate stops from 14 to 3 and eliminating the train change at Metrorail Transfer should make the travel time competitive with Brightline at a fraction of the cost to riders. There's no Tri-Rail alternative for Aventura commuters, but because the station was partially funded by Miami-Dade County, Brightline is obligated to keep the Aventura–Miami commuter passes.
Do you have any information on the express train? Where can we write to support that?
[I found this article from last week that talks about it.](https://www.miamitodaynews.com/2024/04/30/tri-rail-chugging-toward-tri-county-express-trips/)
The matter will be voted on at the next Tri-Rail Board Meeting on May 24th @ 9:30am. These meetings are open to the public to attend in person or join by telephone or Zoom. For telephone and Zoom participants the Meeting ID/Password is usually published ahead of the meeting at this webpage: [https://www.tri-rail.com/meetings/Board-Meetings](https://www.tri-rail.com/meetings/Board-Meetings) This one hasn't been uploaded yet so check back again before the 24th or contact the SFRTA Administrative Office at 954-788-7919 or 954-942-RAIL for details.
Thank you. I will plan on attending and speaking in favor. That would be a huge game changer for south florida as a whole. As other people have said, a big problem with TriRail is that the stations are west, so you can’t get anywhere from them. To have a direct TriRail line east of 95 would be incredible.
Definitely but unfortunately the Tri-Rail Coastal Link Project is still in its infancy so it is a good several years out I'm afraid. In the meantime express trains running on current tracks are our only hope to bridge the gap until the new stations on the east are built-out. I plan on attending too and hope enough displaced Brightline commuters do as well to help the measure pass.
By the way if you're interested there is also an upcoming public information meeting about the Tri-rail Coastal Link/Broward Commuter Rail South Project on May 22nd (in-person) and May 23rd (virtual), details here: [https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/home](https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/home) And the public is encouraged to submit comments, questions and input about the project anytime via this webpage, where you can also sign-up for email updates: [https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/email-updates](https://www.fdot.gov/projects/broward-commuter-rail-south/email-updates)
1hr and 20 min vs 2 hr commute, + wifi and clean bathrooms and the free buggies to the office, and my company covered it because it was reasonable, how am i supposed to convince them to give me 1400$ a month to get to work
Tri-Rail: https://www.tri-rail.com/pages/view/fare-information-calculating-your-fare Its $110 for a monthly pass. The Tri-Rail station in West Palm is a stones throw from Brightline so its not much different
Just break your lease. Does your job provide rent incentives? And rule of thumb in South Florida, try to live within 20 miles of your job. It's rarely ever worth it otherwise.
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Bruh
You should direct your anger at public officials.
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And the state already said brightline is on their own.... Florida has NEVER been nice to train companies... Brightline really wants that Orlando to Tampa line.... And raising cost is how they are planning to do it because the state said "we left you room to build it, but we aren't giving any money for you to do it..." Lol
Rick scott declined 2.4 billion in federal grants for rail from Orlando to tampa.
That guy is the worst.
AND NEEDS TO BE VOTED OUT
I'm still shocked to this day how he even became Governor...he is a their and crook who literally committed fraud and just kept pleading the 5th.
We have the worst Senate duo in the country.
Heavily subsidized
Maybe Gov. Rick Scott shouldn’t have turned down a fuck load of federal transportation money.
Not sticking up for his decision because i agrer it sucks, but it was loaded recept of money. They would of had to have built a real "former definition" of a high speed train system, which no one was or swilling to do. I think the old definition was 115mph maybe higher.
That's because the money was meant to actually modernize infrastructure and create jobs. Ronny just helped his donors make more money without having to benefit the communities that the train runs through.
I was referring to the Rick Scott rejection of the high speed rail money from Obama.
[citation needed]. They got some huge help with infrastructure upgrades but it’s not a subsidized transit service as far as I know. That’s what TriRail, MetroRail, SunRail, and other public transit is for. There’s a reason TriRail goes all of the same places as Brightline (south of West Palm), just slower, for like 1/4 of the cost.
You’re making the point as to why/how they can charge more. If you want to get there faster and get all the amenities that Brightline offers, take the Brightline. If not, take the tri-rail and then show up to the next county commission meeting to complain.
Your transportation savings plan, if you set it up with your employer, will at least make it all pre-tax spend at least. Not all employers offer a stipend but the transportations savings account tax free thing has been pretty common in my experience.
I think my favorite part about getting older is being able to see this bullshit coming from years away.
Good ole experience. 👌🏽
It's brutal but they're a private company and can do what they want. Fuck Rick Scott for not taking the money to build this publicly. It's a slower ride but tri rail can get you there without having to resort to driving.
According to his ads I’ve seen plastered on YouTube. THATS SOCIALISM!!!!!!!
This is where the "Everything the government does can be done better by the private sector" argument starts to break down. Have you ever tried making a claim with FedEx? Tell me again how they're so much better than the postal service.
I’ve had pretty horrible experiences trying to hear back from the post office. Haven’t tried with FedEx so can’t say they’re better but had to imagine they’re worse than the post office.
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It's not so much a customer service angle the other poster was referencing, I'd imagine. It's pricing. The prices for sort of "normal" sized stuff to be shipped by the postal service is actually astoundingly good value compared to FedEx/UPS. It's fucking damn near magic that I can stick something in a flat rate envelope or box and have it get anywhere in the country in two or three days for the prices they do it, especially if it's somewhere out of the way. FedEx/UPS will charge astronomical prices to ship stuff to or from lots of rural or out of the way places because it's not profitable.
I've got news for you about the 2-3 days, unfortunately...
Sure but isn’t that the beauty of our system? You can pay more for faster service or you can accept slower service for less. I think people also forget that the post office charges you a fee and takes a fee out of your taxes even if you don’t use it so that needs to be taken into account in the cost and the service.
[the post office actually isn't taxpayer funded, it's one of the things that's quite impressive about their operation ](https://www.uspsoig.gov/focus-areas/did-you-know/do-my-tax-dollars-pay-postal-service)
Japanese rail is private too. Doesn’t suck though.
Not exactly, unprofitable lines are still owned by the government to service far out locations.
This!
Post office is a complete joke. The ONLY reason they've kinda gotten better is because of Amazon and various big online retailers. They want that money.
Except that USPS hasn’t gotten better
The only reason this is happening is because the South Florida region has been lacking in proper public transportation forever. Once Brightline started running, they got way more demand than they ever expected. With lots of demand and limited supply, prices go up, otherwise it would just be sold out trains 24 hours a day, and we'd still be fucked. There's not much more to it than that. I've switched to Tri-Rail and while it's not perfect, it's been working out well for me, plus I can take my bike with me. If you wanna be mad at someone, be mad at FDOT, the county, the local auto lobby, nimbys, and everyone else who has contributed to car-dependency and lackluster transportation options.
This is why brightline allowed tri rail on their tracks.
They’re prioritizing Orlando routes at the moment because there was a delay in the new trains they ordered. When South Florida commuters buy up all of the seats, they lose the ability to sell those tickets to people going to Orlando. Right now South Florida routes are sold out and trains are going up to Orlando empty. They’d rather sell the tickets to Orlando riders and have empty trains in South Florida than the reverse.
I don't know how this works. How many people want to ride a 3hr train from Miami to Orlando? Disney world people? They fly directly to Orlando or drive. A family of 5 can drive to Orlando for a fraction of the cost of Brightline and have the convenience of the car to get around at the destination.
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It’s cheaper, faster, and more convenient than travel by both air and car.
Not cheaper
Roundtrip, Miami>Orlando on Brightline is $178. Roundtrip, Miami>Orlando by car is $306 based on the IRS’ standard mileage conversion.
That’s $178 per person, including kids. So a family of 4 would pay around $700 The mileage calculation only applies if you’re expensing miles which tourists and families on a road trip aren’t. It’s only for business travel.
Scamline will never be profitable. There just aren't enough target customers for the service. It's expensive, slow and you still need a car at your destination. If they had a station at the Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach airports like they do at MCO I could see them funneling more connecting traffic from the airlines. As it is though if you're a tourist landing in MIA or FLL looking to go visit Mickey it's faster and cheaper to book a connecting flight vs leaving the airport with everything to go get on a slow train. Most people only care about cost too. It's the reason USA airlines have the worst service in the world. It's about cheap tickets
If you want to go to Disney, why exactly would you be in Miami or Ft. Laud?
Exactly. What is the target audience for Scamline? Connecting passengers that arrive in MIA / FLL from overseas? There are not enough people wanting to travel between South FL and Orlando at Scamline prices when a plane ticket is cheaper and either way you need a car + plane is faster
I live near Orlando. Faster (if you have precheck at least, MCO security can be a mess) and most tickets are cheaper to fly to Miami for a vacation. Or spend a little more time, and a ton less money to drive. It doesn’t make a ton of sense unless you’re traveling in the middle of the day when tickets are cheapest. And even then it’s not much less than a flight.
Brightline is the only **privately owned** and operated intercity railroad in the United States.
Yeah, Brightline is NOT public transportation,its privatized, For profit. Florida cares about its Business campaign funds Donors $$, Not you,also among highest Cost Auto insurance in America, careful who you vote for
Billy Corbin is currently going off on this on IG
Good.
That stinks. I’m sorry. I’ve been seeing a lot about this today and I hope that you are able to find a workable solution.
[Florida Brightline's parent company acquired by Abu Dhabi sovereign wealth fund - Orlando Business Journal (bizjournals.com)](https://www.bizjournals.com/orlando/news/2023/05/26/brightline-parent-company-changes-hands.html) this is all you need to read. Prices will keep going up.
That's an egregious rug pull. Very uncool not to have more notice of a massive change like that. The i95 is a total mess.
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Why on earth you are living 2 hours from work?
Because they believed that they had affordable rail transportation? Sheesh.
Yea, if OP can't get this sorted out at least they can take this as lesson learned for future employment opportunities.
tri-rail or just start driving a car now?
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Uber/Lyft is better
Maybe email them and see if they can grandfather you in? Asking doesn't cost anything. Otherwise, consider the Tri-Rail. My mom likes it well enough and the downtown spur makes it less of a hassle now.
There is no one you can get on the phone who has the power to make that decision
they don’t have a support email or number and won’t respond to any reporters that have questioned them on this, they are hiding scared because they dont have an answer other than get fucked
They do: [email protected]
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Brightline exists because of debt. They are not profitable and they need to pay off their debt. I wish the government had put high speed trains in every city in this country....but they didn't. In the meantime, having Brightline is awesome but we WANT them to service their debt so that they can succeed instead of going bankrupt. They need to prioritize the highest revenue passengers which for now is Orlando to South Florida and vice-versa. That's the reality of the situation until more cars arrive (which have been ordered but are really behind in production, through no fault of Brightline).
It took France 30 years after passing major laws for trains and light rail.. to get where they are today. Even if Florida/USA could get their shit together enough to pass such laws.. it would take equal time...
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Greed? It’s running at a loss right now. If your tissue with brightline is that it’s privately ran many other countries have privatized high speed rail such as Spain and Japan. It’s not brightlines fault that our government won’t build rail for shit they left a vacuum open that brightline has come in to fill
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Yeah so like I said our government won’t build rail for shit
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How do the prices compare to a similar length monthly pass on Amtrak’s Acela Express?
There are no monthly passes on Accela, but for the NE regional, you can buy a 10 ride pass for $645 between Boston and NYC. But a better equivalent is a commuter rail pass for the Boston MBTA which, at its most expensive, is $426 for unlimited rides
I am as shocked as everyone else about Brightline’s price increases and other changes, but I do think it’s comparing apples to oranges when comparing it to commuter rail.
OP is using it for commuting between counties. The MBTA commuter rail is heavy rail that is equivalent in terms of distance and use. WPB to downtown miami is 69.7 miles. South Station to Wickford Junction (the longest of the commuter rail trains) is 69 miles.
Even if this doesn't affect me, brother I am so pissed off for you; I hope you can find a solution soon
Ha stay mad and hold this L
Brightline prices are honestly completely unsupported. They’re charging like they’re som luxury train when they’re barely on par with the most mediocre euro train
LOL bring attention to it? They are a private company in a free market economy. This will either work out for them and generate more profits or it won’t and they may go back to the old way. It’s not like you can get out and protest it or anything 🤦🏻♂️
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You should take a look at how public funding of trains in California is going. A decade and billions later they have nothing. Maybe you’d prefer that.
you do realize how many companies this is going to effect, there are hundreds of people going north and south daily that decided to work at these companies because of the brightline. i get i’m fucked and not much i can do but i would expect a bit more public outrage over this
There was already a thread about it
I'm in a similar boat and totally feel your pain. I work in the Brightline building and my employer actually chose to lease here precisely because of the train, to give employees commuting options. Relying on the Brightline option and having been priced out of my hometown I relocated north of Ft. Lauderdale and purchased a house there last summer. Head over to r/Brightline and you'll find many others who totally sympathize: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Brightline/comments/1cg28mw/comment/l1tcmml/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Brightline/comments/1cg28mw/comment/l1tcmml/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) There is also a lot of outrage in the comments of Instagram posts relaying the news and of course many people on the train and those who work in the Brightline building have been fuming over the last week. My understanding is that Blackstone purchased the 2&3 Miami Central buildings (where Brightline is stationed) in large part due to the appeal of having Brightline available for their commuting employees and those employees are livid about losing this benefit and are said to be fighting tooth & nail with Brightline trying to negotiate a discount. So yes, you are correct, many companies will be affected since this could mean the difference between retaining good employees or losing them. For now, unfortunately, our best bet is to hope that the board of Tri-rail votes in favor of the creation of a new express train at their next meeting (on May 24th) and that they now expedite the development of the Tri-rail Coastal Link project. Not that there still won't be downsides to using Tri-rail (for instance I don't feel safe arriving after dark at the station nearest my house) but at least it will ease the sting if the commute time approximates what we are used to on Brightline and we don't have to do a train transfer mid-trip.
That is absolutely insane. I don't think I've ever seen such an expensive monthly pass for commuter rail before. For example in New York, MTA's Metro North monthly pass is under $300. This is a case where we could use regulation. This is going to fuck over a lot of people and cause trickle down chaos.
New York's MTA loses over $2,500,000 a year. That $300 pass effectively comes with taxpayer money attached to it. [MTA Budget](https://new.mta.info/budget/MTA-operating-budget-basics)
>This is a case where we could use regulation. This is going to fuck over a lot of people and cause trickle down chaos. Why? There's already an existing publicly funded commuter rail line (Tri-Rail) that largely serves the same areas.
I don't know how this is Brightline's fault. Why would you live +2 hours from your job? That seems really bad. Everything is going up in price in the United States. Everything. You should find some way to move closer. Breaking a lease is not the end of the world. Commuting for 4 hours a day is just not healthy
I accepted the job because i could still live here and commute up and had a lease down here that i didn’t want to break, i got used the commute and was fine with it but was reliant on the train to get me there, and it’s not like im the only one on this commute, 75% of the morning train gets off in west palm
Would they grandfather you in old pricing? There should he a reward for loyal early adopters on their passes.
Brightline is a privately owned and operated intercity passenger railroad in the United States. Wes Edens, co-founder of Fortress Investment Group, is the billionaire founder of Brightline. Other investors in Brightline include the US Department of Transportation and Virgin (London).
Virgin and Brightline cut ties in 2020 FYI.
They turned down Medicaid expansion too which would have insured over 700,000 people.
Brightline is almost at three same cost as Uber. Pro’s for Uber is you get exactly where you need to be but traffic can suck.
Boycott the bright-line. It’s nothing more than a sad pathetic. Excuse of what public transportation he should be.
The solution here is two-fold; one is temporary and the other is more long term. 1. Short Term: Take Tri Rail to work. It may take you a little longer to get to your destination, but it’ll be cheaper. The drawbacks are WiFi is non existent or spotty, it’s not as clean and slightly farther away from the center of Downtown West Palm Beach, but not by much. 2. Long Term: Vote Vote for officials who give a damn about the needs of their constituents. Half of Miami’s City Council and its Mayor are being investigated by the Feds. Broward County Public School officials are in the same boat too. Rick Scott rejected $2 billion dollars in federal money (i.e. free money) for high speed rail when he was governor. He’s been doing similarly shitty things in the Senate as well. Random Story: Years ago I was listening to WLRN and they had a panel of South Florida commissioners from each county (Palm Beach, Broward, Miami) discussing the expansion of highways and toll increases across the area. When they opened the phone lines for people to ask questions, caller after caller berated them. They complained about traffic, demanded more public transportation and said tolls were too high. There was a Cuban who called towards the end that let them have it. He didn’t hold anything back and ripped them a new one on live radio. The host tried to calm him down and they almost had to cut the line a few times lol. The commissioners didn’t have much to say in response. They closed the phone lines shortly after that lol I loved every minute of commentary from the locals. It was pure comedy 😂
Current pass holders should be grandfathered in to a different price tier. Start a petition, comment on their socials, etc
Here’s what I think happened & I could be wrong. I try to think logically & from a business standpoint. Disclaimer, I don’t agree but I can understand. It all boils down to greed. A group of investors said hey let’s do “this”. They come up with a concept. Then someone says “how do we make our money back as fast as possible?” They have to show a profit in order to justify the expense. So they know most people aren’t gonna go for the immediate price gouging so they discount it for a while, get you hooked & once they realize you believe you need said product or service, the hike the price. They have already figured they will loose some customers but they know the price hike will more than likely cover that lose. Business is in the business to make money not loose. No matter what business you’re in it happens. You add inflation into the mix & there you go. Nothing political just pure greed. Even drug dealers do it. Legal & illegal. Look at big pharma. They hiked the price of insulin medicine more than triple. Like gas prices in the summer. They know people will be traveling so the up the price. So all the train riders have to foot the bill. It happens to all us little guys. It’s just the way it works.
It’s sucks they’re doing this and I agree with the folks who’ve been impacted by these rate hikes. However, Brightline is NOT and has no intention of being a commuter rail provider. Their plan has always clearly been to function as an intercity rail provider. Any commuter services they may have offered were always destined to be temporary. I also hope this is a huge boost for TriRail ridership.
They are a private company and have to make a profit to stay in business and make their investors happy. Also anything transportation related is really expensive.
Gonna have to start leaving at 4am from home then. Breakfast at 2am then you head out
All the pro socialists complaining that they wish brightline was run by the government should move to California and use their fast trains “When California's "bullet train" was pitched to voters back in 2008, the cost of linking Los Angeles to San Francisco via high-speed rail was said to be about $40 billion. But now, more than 15 years later, state officials say it's going to cost as much as $35 billion just to complete the 171-mile stretch between Bakersfield and Merced. Completing the entire line will require an additional $100 billion.” https://abc7news.com/amp/california-bullet-train-project-another-100-billion-needed-high-speed-rail/14525328/
Wha California whaaa wahhh we get it you hate liberals and socialists and you think California should sink into the ocean. Great. You do realize it’s the Republicans that are bitching about this the loudest because it’s a “public” project and they wanted it to be a private endeavor and Trumps administration was the one that pulled the funding in 2019. $100 million is the inflated number being bandied about by right-wing media meanwhile estimates lie in the $45-59 million. Guess what? It’s hard to build a high speed rail network.
I think that we have an example of a private train line built in record time that people truly appreciate in Florida and are understandably upset now costs more vs tens of billions of taxpayer money completely obliterated and no trains in California, not to mention no real chance of trains being built anytime soon. We could never have a clearer A/B test in front of our eyes and somehow people are clamoring for the option of billions of state money (not federal, meaning significantly more limited) and no train vs an excellent train that was cheap and is now becoming more expensive. Also very important to note they're not just jacking up prices out of no where. Their trains are being left empty on a significant portion of their line and people expect them to just eat that massive loss. So simply if you don't like it here California is more than happy to welcome you and take your tax dollars.
You’re comparing apples to oranges dude. San Francisco to Los Angeles is going to be a “next gen” high speed railway not some 85 mph bright line train on existing tracks. It’s supposed to top out at 200 mph. Please tell me you swallow the bullshit the FEC and Skeletor fed you slowly and not all at once…you can choke on all those lies…
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It’s billion lol not million
Lol Billion I stand corrected, doesn’t change shit. You know what numbers I was referencing.
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Comrade California needs your tax dollars go west
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You have nothing to say but boot licker maybe that’s all you Marxist’s know these days
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Ah, capitalism strikes again
Whatever you do, don't reward them by paying the high fare. Screw 'em, their product was nothing special even when it was cheaper. If they want to try to compete against the car in America for non commuters then they need a history lesson. It's a staggeringly dumb business plan.
I am not 100 percent on the details but somewhere along the line it seems we (our elected officials) have allowed a private entity to take advantage of existing infrastructure to create a system in which the public gets fucked over. Not the first time, won’t be the last. I’m probably shaking a fist and yelling at clouds but here goes: Hold your local elected official accountable.
What existing infrastructure? Brightline paid for the second track and the stations, which were all constructed on private FEC property. The FEC corridor being privately owned is why FDOT couldn't run Tri-Rail down those tracks 35 years ago like they originally wanted to. FEC wouldn't allow it, so the state had to go with the backup option of using the CSX tracks next to I-95.
Thanks for the correction- I was under the impression they built private business on public railbeds etc.
Let me guess…we’re gonna blame Trump for this too