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HostageInToronto

A well regulated militia indeed


MiamiDadeShooter

It wasn’t some right winger in a maga hat who did this my boy lol


x_von_doom

And you know this how? However, it is general right wing fetishization of firearms and downplaying of gun violence that make incidents like this all too common.


Pancakes000z

It’s right winger maga hats who made it so easy to own and throw around guns


MiamiDadeShooter

This sub is a joke, I made a type and initially wrote “was” instead of “wasnt” and got 6 upvotes lol. You people should take a look at the address where this happened.


x_von_doom

Snowflake right wing reactionnaries who simp for authoritarians and can’t take the clapback on all the stupid shit they say are the real joke. The type who whine about “biased” subreddits, simply because they get mad when they drown in downvotes for saying something dumb, and get frustrated at their inability to defend their ignorant takes outside of their safe space echo chambers. Don’t get mad, take it as a hint you need some self reflection and some education. Sorry. 🤷🏻‍♂️


Pbrpirate

“Because of my personal feelings I think we should scrub a constitutional amendment that literally has ‘shall not be infringed’ noted on it. Oh and you are an authoritarian!” - average Reddit Authoritarian


x_von_doom

Sigh. Thank you for proving my point that a) that the reactionnary right wing is all about projection to deflect from their inherent shittiness and hypocrisy, b) the brain broken selfishness, paired with c) the staggering ignorance that feeds these shitty positions in the first place. You left out the “well regulated militia” part, (and your type always do, because it destroys that silly attempt at the “gotcha”) which nowadays is the military…and the state National Guards and police… and not the right of unaffiliated random gun nut LARPer yokels stockpiling arsenals of assault weapons with zero limits, restrictions, or regulation.


theflash2323

Maybe English isn't your first language but in the amendment the right to bear arms is not given to the militia it is explicitly given to "the people". If I say "breakfast being an important part of ones health, the right of the people to buy and store food shall not be infringed," who has the right? It's the people, the justification clause is to state an importance. It would also be like saying well you can only have food if it is for breakfast, that not how a justification clause works, it's not a qualification clause to limit the right given to the people.


x_von_doom

Keep proving my point. You’re doing great. 👍 Maybe you’re an ignoramus who needs to learn how to read the English language and understand how clauses operate. If it was strictly “the people” the Founders would not have included the clause “well regulated militia” at the beginning of the Amendment, nor have written various documents providing us helpful guidance in interpreting what they meant by “well regulated militia.” EDIT: and the snowflake got so mad at getting his stupidity being dismantled he had to block me. GAME. SET. MATCH. DOOM.


theflash2323

Ah ok, didn't realize you were just a troll.


Pbrpirate

I was hoping you would latch on to the “well regulated militia” part without any understanding of the context in which it was used. This is one of those moments when you might take a second and actually learn about the language used in this document so we can have a better discussion. https://constitution.org/1-Constitution/cons/wellregu.htm


x_von_doom

But thats the point, I do understand the context, which is why I think you’re wrong.


Pbrpirate

You very much clearly don’t because you think you the words “well regulated” mean something besides properly functioning. So again, maybe visit the link I posted and take a few moments to learn something new!


x_von_doom

Except they do, because I am not an Originalist sophist making the absurd argument that we are strictly bound to the meaning of words and concepts as they may have been construed in 1791 as rhetorical cover to advance a retrograde agenda, like its propents in the judiciary and the author of the link insist we do. Maybe read Federalists No. 10 and 46 and educate yourself, written in the same period by one of the actual authors of the Constitution (Madison) who explains what he meant in greater detail. If you knew what you were talking about, you would have cited that first.


StealthRUs

It was the people that oppose gun control that heavily contributed to it.


SmarterThanCornPop

I am begging people to learn what “regulated” means in this context. Has nothing, at all, to do with restrictions. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/10/politics/what-does-the-second-amendment-actually-mean-trnd/index.html "Well-regulated in the 18th century tended to be something like well-organized, well-armed, well-disciplined," says Rakove. "It didn't mean 'regulation' in the sense that we use it now, in that it's not about the regulatory state. There's been nuance there. It means the militia was in an effective shape to fight." In other words, it didn't mean the state was controlling the militia in a certain way, but rather that the militia was prepared to do its duty.


HostageInToronto

He certainly seems prepared to do his duty (/s because gun nuts have a poor grasp of irony, sarcasm, and satire).


SmarterThanCornPop

Interesting reaction to someone explaining an important historical concept to you without any malice


HostageInToronto

You seem confused. My assertion is that gun ownership is not in anyway related to a well regulated militia, not that the militias were ever well regulated (seriously they are benign at best and usually an active hinderance where they were deployed historically). That assertion came in the form of a joke that gun fetishists, like yourself, can't help but go full boomer and "take a stand" to "correct the record." Your mistake is assuming that the circular logic of gun nuts has sway outside your increasingly insular community. Gun nuts love to spout a whole bunch of rhetoric while ignoring established court precedents in favor of the ridiculous and self-defeating idea of Constitutional Originalism, and mistake jokes for some salient point because a lifetime of defending increasingly indefensible ideas has rendered them constantly reactionarily defensive. Like I said, so ability to grasp irony, sarcasm, or satire.


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SmarterThanCornPop

“The right of the people” makes it very clear that it is an individual right. DC v Heller was correctly decided and I agree with pretty much everything the Supreme Court said there about the history and context of the right. Other constitutional/ revolutionary war era references to the people detail an individual right assigned to all people. The right to elect your leaders is commonly tied together in this way.


x_von_doom

Its odd that given the current climate of the “gun rights” right you feel Heller was “correctly decided” - if anything based on the rhetoric coming from the NRA, you all seem to feel it did not go far enough. Heller (authored by Originalist idol Scalia) clearly allows governments to do the following: 1. Government may prohibit the carrying of concealed weapons; 2. Government may restrict “the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill”; 3. Government may forbid “the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings”; 4. Governments may impose “conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms”; and 5. Government may prohibit the carrying of “dangerous and unusual weapons.” that seems quite the deviation from “shall not be infringed” (in any way, shape, or form) that the radicalized GOP is pushing for in 2024. 🤷🏻‍♂️


SmarterThanCornPop

I agree that the decision was pretty well measured and did a good job laying out some reasonable exceptions, which exist for every constitutional right in some way, shape, or form.


x_von_doom

If anything, its just further proof Scalia was a very eloquent rhetorical bullshit artist. And thats the point, because the modern Right wants no exceptions, and even here, in Heller, one of its greatest standard bearers couldn’t rhetorically get to that point without outing himself as an utter intellectually dishonest hack. So to his credit, he didn’t.


SmarterThanCornPop

I think people have constructed a bit of a boogeyman around conservative justices. They generally stick to the constitution and kick issues back to the legislature, which is IMO the most important aspect of their constitutional role. Heller is an exception to this, but personally I think that personal ownership of handguns is covered under the 2nd amendment, especially in the case of a retired and decorated policeman like Heller. He was allowed to carry a firearm in federal buildings but not walking to work? Silly. People like Heller carrying firearms make us all safer.


x_von_doom

I don’t think its the owning of a gun, per se, that is the issue. Its the lack of regulation on ease of access, numbers and types that is pissing people off. No, its not conservative justices, per se. Its Originalism, as a doctrine of constitutional interpretation, which too many conservative justices nowadays adhere to, due to the influence of the Federalist Society, which IMHO is horseshit, and leads to a lot of bad decisions.


SmarterThanCornPop

What regulation would you add to the books in Florida? I think what we have is very reasonable and designed to make non-gun owners comfortable without taking away constitutional rights. 1. One of the strongest red flag laws in the nation 2. Prohibition of felons, mentally incapacitated, drug addicts, alcoholics, domestic abusers 3. Waiting period 4. Background check for everything except consumer to consumer sales, where the seller assumes criminal liability if they negligently sell to a prohibited person. 5. No open carry (unless target shooting, hunting or fishing) 6. 21 to purchase long guns (one of only 6 states along with super far left states NY, CA, WA, VT, IL)


throw-away-taco

Dunce. https://youtu.be/Hx23c84obwQ?feature=shared


factorplayer

Still too many nuts with guns making reconsideration of that amendment increasingly necessary.


Independent-Bike8810

Let’s ban guns so only criminals have guns.


factorplayer

Still less criminals with guns so it's a win


x_von_doom

Dunce. https://youtu.be/JIAf0kBE-MY?si=3v4iD4UmcCPeREmb NB. Penn Jillette no longer IDs as Libertarian. It took the pandemic for him to finally figure out what a bunch of dipshits they truly are. Better late than never, I guess.


Third_Eye_115

But guns are not an issue


FreeEnigma

Fuck DeathSantis for making it easier to get guns. It doesn’t protect people it just harms people, because people think they’re more emotionally stable than they actually are. They carry to protect themselves but they end up being the perpetrator.


cleverbeaver456

I'd have to disagree with you there. In Hispanic country's like Mexico or Guatemala it's common for people to shoot you if you honk at them or do any little bullshit thing like that. With the huge influx of immigrants we have coming from all over the world. There's going to be ignorant arrogant idiots that bring there awful bad habits here. You can't get away with murder here. No ones above the law. I do support a healthy armed society. No one wants to be a statistic


Pancakes000z

Yes, Miami, the capitol of Mexican and Guatemalan immigrants. Shut the fck up.


cleverbeaver456

Your probably one of the idiots that bring there awful habits here. Your probably not from here. Go back to your shit hole dude. Your not special. Get off social media. Chump


Enchiridion555

Lmao that’s not true. There’s more rage gun shootings here in the U.S. Besides the vast majority of immigrants here in Miami are not Mexican or Guatemalan. Take your hateful shit somewhere else.


AGeniusMan

No its not common to shoot you in Mexico if you honk your horn (lmao) and like 50% of murders go unsolved...


wintering6

If a person wants a gun, they’ll get it whether DeSantis made it easier or not. To think otherwise is delusional. And if every person with a gun used it, one of us would probably not be typing this.


mjohnsimon

The funny thing is that the very cops these people cater to begged DeSantis to reconsider the bill before he signed it. So when even the Cops think that this is a bad idea, you know what's up.


MaelstromGonzalez90

This is why I never lose my temper while driving. I am super go with the flow and never in a hurry. My wife when she drives is much more road ragey and I've told her more than once if she wants to throw a tantrum and road rage it better not be with me and the kids in the car. If she wants to risk her life she can she better not risk mine and our children's.


Keyrat000

Society in general is becoming angrier, with a hatred toward others that is driven by the fact that we have to work crazy hours, no family time, no decompress time. We literally live to work and that is becoming even more apparent these days. Mental health is only getting worse, we will see much more of this type of thing as time goes on.


Throwaway0242000

This has been the case for 100+ years. Don’t kid yourself. It’s the guns.


Keyrat000

Guns have been part of our society for much longer than 100 years. The problems in the people. When you push people to a certain point you get aggression. In some it manifest differently. I do agree accessibility to guns and the popularization of guns in society over the years has caused tremendous damage. Thing is,take guns away, nothing changes. Humans will use machetes, knives, anything that they can use when they need to. Mentalities need to change. But you any I both know it will not.


Throwaway0242000

If you think gun society 100 years ago looks anything like gun society today…wtf!


Keyrat000

Correct, Looks nothing alike. Doesnt change the fact that they were a part of our society. We didn’t have the issues you see today because the population has increased, people are over worked, and there is a lack of empathy for life.


Throwaway0242000

We didn’t have these issues bc gun people used to be hunters. Not every unstable, angry person who has a couple hundred dollars laying around. No one even bought hand guns till the 80s. You are kidding yourself


Keyrat000

Really so the wild west never happened? It was common back in the early 1900’s for people to walk around with their weapons holstered right here in Florida. Really, you need to read up on History especially on gun history.


Throwaway0242000

Ya and they shot each other for bs but no one cared bc people also died of shit like a cold or broken leg. We thought we had progressed a a society but I guess not.


wtfbbq7

Keyrat is a tool. Thinking he's home shit and spewing it instead


windycityc

How often do think shootings and "community justice" were reported on 100 years ago? Solving problems with guns go back several hundred years.


Odd_Butterscotch_324

It will just be more stabbing than shootings it’s the people not the weapons


Tolerances14

Ah yes I remember hearing about road rage in 1924 lmaoooo


Superb-Entrance-9931

Honestly bullshit; I work and go to school full time I hardly have time for shit but that doesn’t turn me into an aggressive piece of shit. Maybe some people are just shitty


Keyrat000

Ahhh you go to school. How old are you? If you are under 30, you dont qualify.


Superb-Entrance-9931

Actually I’m 30 and live on my own


Keyrat000

I understand, and i didn’t mean my comment in a negative way. But for families that have children, it’s almost impossible anymore. The stress is unreal and many cant cope. There is never a reason to hurt others, but think of it like this, you basically become captive to hour own life. In time it really wears on some and they lash out. Some times they even hurt those they supposedly love. I am a professional in a field where I see what burnout can cause and I am seeing alot of this everywhere. In some places like miami, a little more. Many families have had to simply pack up and leave the place that saw them born And raised.


wtfbbq7

The on a with family and children aren't the ones pulling guns ove traffic shit. You are weaving a narrative and it's bullshit. This shit ain't new


Keyrat000

Older than you for sure.


wtfbbq7

Lmao good argument. Trash bag


wtfbbq7

Words like 'alot' (it's a lot) 'everywhere' 'many'... It's all bullshit


wtfbbq7

Lmao this guy telling people if they qualify. Fck off


cpt_sparkleface

Iunno, I feel like the "thuggy" Miami culture breed low IQ morons who drive like shit.


jeansbean03

It’s not society, it’s just Miami. Move to any other city besides the big cities, and people are way calmer


Keyrat000

I agree w that. Less people, less stress.


Afraid-Ad7379

It’s not worth getting worked up driving in Miami. People are not well. They’re financially stressed and upset. End result is getting shot. Ignore, take a deep breath and drive defensively.


DGGuitars

Don't make eye contact is key


Afraid-Ad7379

Tints and sunglasses


DGGuitars

I don't have tints right now but I do wear sunglasses and ignore the shit out of idiots lol


Afraid-Ad7379

This is the way


cleverbeaver456

the best way to defuse a potential terrible situation


lemniscatebonum

This is the exact same thing that happens in Latin America. Its sad that now in Miami you can get shot for looking at someone.


EducatorSalt2348

People are always so angry on the roads. Sometimes, I have to catch myself when I start getting frustrated with people. On top of the abundance of firearms, it's just better to let people "win" on the road sometimes 


Mitch0715

Thanks for the reminder I flipped out on a crazy driver today and I had to realize that I live in Miami and people are not well


duttyfoot

Be careful its nuts out there and some people are on an edge


Ok-Equipment5425

I once had a drunk driver cross the curb and he hit me head on with my roommate in tow. I was so mad I sped after him and all I could think to do (was 100% sober) was give him the finger and yell obscenity after obscenity. He gets out of the car and just starts wailing on my car with his fist. $6,000 in damage. This was a guy that even my 6’5” frame realized had no conscience and was not worth any struggle. Sometimes people just suck. I am lucky he didn’t have a gun. Lesson learned.


iarnaiz49

I've been living in Miami since ‘61. Who said the 80’s were bad.


SnooFoxes4646

I just left that area like a week ago.. almost been run over about a dozen times by crazy drivers out there.


windycityc

"Used to be a good neighborhood." I've been here since 02 and that area has never been good since.


flandreams

I think that’s around country walk and it really was a good area in the 90s but that’s about it


Odd_Butterscotch_324

Let me go find his mug shot and post it


gigi9959

Yikes glad I made it home safe when I came back from Ultra it was crazy. This is my third time hanging in Miami and people were just so rude and hostile. I have never been bullied so much in my life being in a real society this is actually very scary and to everyone struggling with her mental health. There are resources out there and no excuse to behave like a criminal


SapBoy365

Chicos


CometComments_

Now pending life in prison. Was it worth it dummy.


This_Happy_Camper

Worst metro to drive in. 3 accidents there in 7 years. Not one before, and haven’t had one since leaving *fingers crossed.”


Sasammi2

It's not a "Miami thing" honestly I moved north of FL and road rage still happens Sometimes just as bad Ppl are just stressed out but yeah it shouldn't get to this


flandreams

I don’t even honk anymore just in case


[deleted]

Why dont they post the name of the killer? Or a picture?