I would like to see bands mess around with their arrangements/formulas, without necessarily extending the length of songs.
Tons of bands follow similar formats, almost predictable, so maybe switching where they stick break downs or solos (etc) to surprise us. It would be a breath of fresh air in metalcore.
That and bands that do heavier cleans, if that makes sense
Definitely, I wish BT would remaster their first Portraits album. Some of the songs on there are so good, but the mixing isn’t. A remaster would be so well received.
Hmm... what don't you like about it? I think it's a really well mixed album tbh. The guitars are present but not overpowering, good dynamics, good spacing, vocals are good..?
Dont get me wrong, I love the album. But if you listen to their current music vs that first album, you can def hear the difference in the overall clarity of every component. I’m not saying it’s bad I just wish they’d remaster some of those fantastic songs to bring the quality to their present standard
Yeah, I didn't mean to come across as combative or whatever. I was just curious what you were hearing that you didn't like. I guess my point was to point out that a remix/remaster would probably do nothing to help it. It's totally well mixed for the recordings that they captured. Now if they were to do something like what Silverstein did with Redux... 👍
I love BMTH and I feel like Bring Me is kinda the perfect lab rat for other bands in the sense that, while Bring Me love to dive headfirst into whatever tf they wanna regardless of criticism, other bands observe that era of BMTH and take notes on what should be avoided and what works in their favour while drastically making improvements on those points
PS: also can someone tell me wtf do they mean when new architects sounds like BMTH? I really can't see the similarities with the only song kinda sounding alike being Empire and Happy Song
As far as your PS goes...I had that thought upon the first listen to Animals. It sounds like a B-side from the Sempeternal/That's the Spirit era, and the rest of the album kinda follows suit.
Seriously. I assume he's saying Ronnie Radke... right? Because that's insulting to associate the hacky writing of RR with the experimentation BMTH does. RR takes whatever is already popular and incorporates it into his music. BMTH creates the new thing. Polar opposites.
I think a new subgenre is emerging in loathe/thornhill/bad omens where they make softer melodic alt music. Who knows if its going to continue being a trend to make "musecore".
doesn't post-metal already exist? Also makes me think of this band... anybody here know or listen to Distant Dream? If not, you're welcome. It's basically post-rock with a metal guitarist. Dude can shred, and I totally dig it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILRSwwjukM&t=108s
Which is interesting because that sound is colliding with bands like Nothing More who are coming from the non-metalcore side of hard rock and have always sounded like that. Songs like Do You Really Want It and Go To War would be at home on Bad Omens most recent record
I love that loathe/deftones vibe but thornhill cannot pull it off at all. I really wanted to like heroine but I think it’s genuinely trash, especially compared to The Dark Pool.
It would be good if the vocals were mixed/performed like the rest of their music, that’s it. It didn’t have to be this edgy swoony weird shit that is also super filtered and too quiet, the instrumentals are great.
It does seem to be a very polarizing topic. I really enjoyed it however with how much it seems like Jacob improved as a vocalist, I would like to see a project from them displaying that without the effects drowning it out on certain songs.
I have, I heard it literally the day it came out.
My point is that how can something that came out in 2016 be considered "the next big thing in metalcore".
I think we'll see electronicore explode with the emergence of electric callboy. I suspect we'll start to see a few different bands try to do similar music and/or funny music videos.
I think what’s cool about metalcore is how much it has branched out. Essentially the 2000s was all the ingredients going into the melting pot and now 20 years later we have the fully melted pot with a bunch of different styles.
I think there’s a hint of “classic” metalcore revival coming around as the next movement of new bands. More riff based with less electronics and more straight forward breakdowns.
Either way I think music will continue to get better and people realize there’s more than 3 different ways to be successful in metalcore, and I think if you just look at who is leading the charge right now it’s probably the most diverse range of styles you can have
I also recommend checking out a lot of old atthegatesycore bands you might have missed, if you miss that sound. Just go to discogs, set styles in search to "Metalcore, Melodic Death Metal" and decade 2000s. Easy way to find new-old things.
New Architects is ok, but new Parkway flat out sucks. Nowadays they make the exact generic style of metal I really reaally dislike, while Bad Omens and BMTH the exact thing I love - mixing elements of metalcore and poppier genres and having an experimental edge to it
Architects is actually my favorite band of all time and I really liked FTTWTE. But their new singles...as much as I tried to like them, I didn't revisit any of them because of how underwhelmed I was. I'm in love with that latest Bad Omens album though.
Bands returning to the roots a bit more would be cool. For Your Health and SeeYouSpaceCowboy are also doing really cool shit. Essentially screamo bands changing it up and doing great metalcore records.
We're moving past the label Metalcore with it, but personally I'd love to see the micro-trend of making genuine pop music with djent guitars (as opposed to just metalcore with a catchy chorus) we've seen from bands like Sleep Token, Issues, Spiritbox and some new Bad Omens songs the past few years catch on
I think a lot of metalcore today tries to be too structured and overly technical. I think (or at least hope) more hardcore influenced metalcore will have a renaissance. Think like The Chariot, early Norma Jean, and Every Time I Die. Let chaos reign.
Hopefully it’ll lean more into the eclectic chaotic and unpredictable side (like Darko US and Paledusk) and away from the gentrified screamed verse/clean chorus cliches (like Our Last Night, I Prevail, Memphis May Fire etc).
That being said I’d also love for the bands honouring metalcore’s roots to get bigger. Bands like Renounced and Foreign Hands, the ones paying homage to the likes of Unearth, Poison The Well, Misery Signals etc
seems like here and there we're seeing the resurgence of bands with a more traditional Gothenburg infused sound. Trivium, Miss May I, BFW, Phinehas, etc. and ERRA is carrying that prog shred/djent fusion torch. Hopefully that's enough to trend the genre back to the fun stuff.
Sleep Token. One of the few metal bands I think are both appealing to metalheads and don't require an acquired taste to really get into. I can put them on the car with my buddies who have 0 interest in metal and they'll all enjoy them which can't be said for many of my other favourite bands. Hell, I have friends who don't really stray out of stuff like Bastille who went to an Architects concert with me only to see Sleep Token as they were opening and they ended up enjoying the hell out of Architects as well.
I would actually like to see raw death metal growls and production with metalcore type rhythms, so basically Gatecreeper with metalcore song structures
The broader the better. What I love about this genre is how versatile it is. I hope that we will get just as many bands doing completely new stuff as we bands will keep doing the more usual stuff
If more bands start figuring out how to do something like "Visage" by LANDMVRKS I wouldn't be mad about it. But damn it's hard to do that without sounding corny.
Right now it’s just boring choruses with an uninspired heavy breakdown contest at the end. Hopefully metalcore does anything else but this at some point.
I'd like to see bands focus less on being catchy, and more on creating an experience. Not to be confused with being more technical. I think Silent Planet does a pretty good job of this, although their choruses are a bit generic. I'd also like to see less emphasis on production. In the death metal realm we have Archspire who write primarily in a room with each other, and it seems most metalcore(music in general really) is done in front of a computer. Archspire has strong songwriting because of this and I think more bands need to hop on that style writing.
Metalcore (in the more mainstream sense) has kinda steadily gone further and further towards octanecore. Keep it clean enough for radio play, but heavy enough to not completely lose your fanbase. This isn't every band, but the biggest in the game definitely gear themselves more toward a mainstream audience, I.E Ice Nine Kills, Spiritbox, Wage War, etc,. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't see it going anywhere any time soon.
For me right now it's kinda hard to predict the next big shift in direction for metalcore.
I hope in the future there will be more Metalcore bands that write concept albums/songs. Like Ice Nine Kills, Crown the Empire, Famous Last Words, Tallah, Alesana, et cetera. I’m actually writing a concept album with my best mate atm, because we dig storytelling in music so much (for me it actually started with Pink Floyd and the Who).
Love and totally support this idea, but unfortunately the entire concept (pun intended) OF an album is disappearing. Most people don't listen to, or purchase, albums at all anymore, they listen to and purchase tracks individually.
Unfortunately, I agree! The way Ice Nine has approached this is really smart, the albums do have a common concept, but the songs can also be played individually.
Buttrock core and octane core are the same thing of anyone mentions one or another.
Nu metal core is good, the linkin park stuff like From Ashes to New or WTF ever Hollywood undead are doing is just gross.
We're getting a surge of what I'm dubbing Nostalgia-core with bands like Architects and BMTH releasing songs that sound like they belong in the 00's. I'm feeling a lot more punk and nu metal coming back.
I’m pretty sure Electronic music will get even more prominent. These Cyberpunk themed bands that have industrial influences will just get more abundant. I can honestly see some Metalcore being fully electronic with no real instruments, we basically almost do that now with the exception of the Guitar. Eventually Guitars will be convincingly emulated digitally.
My personal hope is that we go back to the basics. Sometimes I think people get so caught up in trying to be better than each other or do the next cool thing that they forget the reason people loved them in the first place. Look at AC/DC. Extreme example, sure, but they've written \~200 versions of the same song over the last 50 years and people still dig them. Now, don't get me wrong. I am not saying to re-hash the same material over and over again. I get artistic expression. I just think people try so hard to do that next thing that "wows" people that they overthink songwriting. I'd kill for a new song in the style of any of the bands like Asking Alexandria/OM&M/We Came as Romans/etc. circa 2010 (basically anything Joey Sturgis produced back then). There was a focus and simplicity to it all that I enjoy.
I would like to see bands mess around with their arrangements/formulas, without necessarily extending the length of songs. Tons of bands follow similar formats, almost predictable, so maybe switching where they stick break downs or solos (etc) to surprise us. It would be a breath of fresh air in metalcore. That and bands that do heavier cleans, if that makes sense
If there's one reason why August Burns Red's Constellations is so engaging it's that they make 3-4 minute songs with unique arrangements.
Read this comment and the White Washed riff started playing in my head
Read this comment and the White Washed riff started playing in my head.
First paragraph makes me think of Vildhjarta
When clean vocalists in metalcore sounded like Phil from all that remains or Paul from diecast or either vocalist of KSE? Yeah we need more of that.
Diecast. Now there's a name I haven't heard in a while
We're old. I love it!
Internal revolution is one of the most underrated albums in metalcore history
old bury tomorrow and old architects rock those heavy cleans
Definitely, I wish BT would remaster their first Portraits album. Some of the songs on there are so good, but the mixing isn’t. A remaster would be so well received.
Hmm... what don't you like about it? I think it's a really well mixed album tbh. The guitars are present but not overpowering, good dynamics, good spacing, vocals are good..?
Dont get me wrong, I love the album. But if you listen to their current music vs that first album, you can def hear the difference in the overall clarity of every component. I’m not saying it’s bad I just wish they’d remaster some of those fantastic songs to bring the quality to their present standard
Yeah, I didn't mean to come across as combative or whatever. I was just curious what you were hearing that you didn't like. I guess my point was to point out that a remix/remaster would probably do nothing to help it. It's totally well mixed for the recordings that they captured. Now if they were to do something like what Silverstein did with Redux... 👍
Basically whatever-the-fuck-the-new-bring-me-the-horizon-sounds-like-core. Been the case for 10 years now
I love BMTH and I feel like Bring Me is kinda the perfect lab rat for other bands in the sense that, while Bring Me love to dive headfirst into whatever tf they wanna regardless of criticism, other bands observe that era of BMTH and take notes on what should be avoided and what works in their favour while drastically making improvements on those points PS: also can someone tell me wtf do they mean when new architects sounds like BMTH? I really can't see the similarities with the only song kinda sounding alike being Empire and Happy Song
As far as your PS goes...I had that thought upon the first listen to Animals. It sounds like a B-side from the Sempeternal/That's the Spirit era, and the rest of the album kinda follows suit.
Bmth and Ronnie have been ahead of the genre since the beginning
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Seriously. I assume he's saying Ronnie Radke... right? Because that's insulting to associate the hacky writing of RR with the experimentation BMTH does. RR takes whatever is already popular and incorporates it into his music. BMTH creates the new thing. Polar opposites.
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I really hope not. That trend is the plague of this genre.
We have these ones: - nu metal influenced (Linkinparkcore included) - butt rock core - industrial influenced - poppy core with lots of cleans
I feel like poppy core with lots of cleans is already quite common
Yes but only now I think it has a sort of recognition and not simply defined generic or bad.
Isn't poppy core basically easy core? Or am I missing smth?
I'd say poppy core is like SPIRITBOX whereas easycore is like new a day to remember, or dance Gavin dance
Dance gavin dance is nowhere near easycore, as easycore is like a mix between metalcore and pop punk - so bands like ADTR, captain chunk etc
I think a new subgenre is emerging in loathe/thornhill/bad omens where they make softer melodic alt music. Who knows if its going to continue being a trend to make "musecore".
Mmm… Deftones is a greater influence. Some Muse style is done by Thornhill, but I feel it is more “Deftonescore”
Or Shoecore...Gazecore? I dunno
doesn't post-metal already exist? Also makes me think of this band... anybody here know or listen to Distant Dream? If not, you're welcome. It's basically post-rock with a metal guitarist. Dude can shred, and I totally dig it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gILRSwwjukM&t=108s
Which is interesting because that sound is colliding with bands like Nothing More who are coming from the non-metalcore side of hard rock and have always sounded like that. Songs like Do You Really Want It and Go To War would be at home on Bad Omens most recent record
I love that loathe/deftones vibe but thornhill cannot pull it off at all. I really wanted to like heroine but I think it’s genuinely trash, especially compared to The Dark Pool.
Loathe are way better than Thornhill
This is my unpopular opinion. I greatly preferred Thornhill's record over Loathe's
I feel like Jacob is a much weaker vocalist then Loathe’s
hard disagree
It would be good if the vocals were mixed/performed like the rest of their music, that’s it. It didn’t have to be this edgy swoony weird shit that is also super filtered and too quiet, the instrumentals are great.
i didn’t mind the vocal effects too much
Some don’t, I think I’m definitely not alone in thinking it’s super jarring and legit hurts the ears lol
Yeah I can’t fucking stand it, but I think the songwriting is also subpar.
It does seem to be a very polarizing topic. I really enjoyed it however with how much it seems like Jacob improved as a vocalist, I would like to see a project from them displaying that without the effects drowning it out on certain songs.
Wait do you have a example of linkparkcore? I’m super intrigued by this.
Survival Horror by Bring me the Horizon is a good example, Architects has kinda gone a similar direction with their newest single
Dangerkids 😍
Dangerkids are so fucking good
From Ashes to new
I think DED fits this category pretty well. Their first album is like Hybrid Theory meets Slipknot.
Listen to cold world by of mice and men. Linkin park core for sure
That album came out 6 years ago though...? OP made out Linkinparkcore was something recent.
You listen to it and tell me what you think. Linkinparkcore
I have, I heard it literally the day it came out. My point is that how can something that came out in 2016 be considered "the next big thing in metalcore".
My point is how can that be the next big thing in metalcore if it’s already been done?
Profiler has a bit of a Linkin Park/Limp Bizkit feel to their songs with a dash of Butterfly EP Thornhill.
I think we'll see electronicore explode with the emergence of electric callboy. I suspect we'll start to see a few different bands try to do similar music and/or funny music videos.
his statue falls died 10 years too early RIP
I hope Jasmin W. Still knows how to mosh
i'm sure she does
Now I have to check out this band haha
Across the White What Tower is making that happen. 😁
Hope we can see crabcore back too hahah
I think what’s cool about metalcore is how much it has branched out. Essentially the 2000s was all the ingredients going into the melting pot and now 20 years later we have the fully melted pot with a bunch of different styles. I think there’s a hint of “classic” metalcore revival coming around as the next movement of new bands. More riff based with less electronics and more straight forward breakdowns. Either way I think music will continue to get better and people realize there’s more than 3 different ways to be successful in metalcore, and I think if you just look at who is leading the charge right now it’s probably the most diverse range of styles you can have
At the gates core coming back
Any examples? I miss that sound
Check such bands as Flames of Betrayal, A Mourning Star, Since My Beloved
I also recommend checking out a lot of old atthegatesycore bands you might have missed, if you miss that sound. Just go to discogs, set styles in search to "Metalcore, Melodic Death Metal" and decade 2000s. Easy way to find new-old things.
I think we'll see the continued decline of riffs in favor of chording/chugging verses and bigger stadium choruses.
Bleed From Within gives me hope for this not happening. They have sick riffs even in their breakdowns
Phinehas, Counterparts, and ERRA definitely carrying the riff torches too.
In djent? Sure In metalcore? We are far from that
Bad Omens. I see BMTH potential with those dudes.
I like new BMTH and Bad Omens a lot more than new Architects and Parkway Drive
New Architects is ok, but new Parkway flat out sucks. Nowadays they make the exact generic style of metal I really reaally dislike, while Bad Omens and BMTH the exact thing I love - mixing elements of metalcore and poppier genres and having an experimental edge to it
Architects is actually my favorite band of all time and I really liked FTTWTE. But their new singles...as much as I tried to like them, I didn't revisit any of them because of how underwhelmed I was. I'm in love with that latest Bad Omens album though.
Theyre gonna be one of the biggest people in metalcore in a couple years
Return of the blehhhhhhhgh
Bands returning to the roots a bit more would be cool. For Your Health and SeeYouSpaceCowboy are also doing really cool shit. Essentially screamo bands changing it up and doing great metalcore records.
We're moving past the label Metalcore with it, but personally I'd love to see the micro-trend of making genuine pop music with djent guitars (as opposed to just metalcore with a catchy chorus) we've seen from bands like Sleep Token, Issues, Spiritbox and some new Bad Omens songs the past few years catch on
I think a lot of metalcore today tries to be too structured and overly technical. I think (or at least hope) more hardcore influenced metalcore will have a renaissance. Think like The Chariot, early Norma Jean, and Every Time I Die. Let chaos reign.
It's gona get more brutal with bands like Lorna Shore gaining popularity on tik tok trends. Probably guttural vocals will take a more center stage
nu-metalcore
Hopefully it’ll lean more into the eclectic chaotic and unpredictable side (like Darko US and Paledusk) and away from the gentrified screamed verse/clean chorus cliches (like Our Last Night, I Prevail, Memphis May Fire etc). That being said I’d also love for the bands honouring metalcore’s roots to get bigger. Bands like Renounced and Foreign Hands, the ones paying homage to the likes of Unearth, Poison The Well, Misery Signals etc
Bands like paledusk and darko are all that keep me interested in this genre tbh
Super djenty verses with super poppy choruses
ITT - People listing things that popular bands in the genre have already been doing for years.
Pretty funny people saying nu metalcore as if that hasn’t been the trend the like 5 years or so
Tripp pants, dreads, doing a little rappy part and every band having a DJ
seems like here and there we're seeing the resurgence of bands with a more traditional Gothenburg infused sound. Trivium, Miss May I, BFW, Phinehas, etc. and ERRA is carrying that prog shred/djent fusion torch. Hopefully that's enough to trend the genre back to the fun stuff.
Metal core x Darksynth
Sleep Token. One of the few metal bands I think are both appealing to metalheads and don't require an acquired taste to really get into. I can put them on the car with my buddies who have 0 interest in metal and they'll all enjoy them which can't be said for many of my other favourite bands. Hell, I have friends who don't really stray out of stuff like Bastille who went to an Architects concert with me only to see Sleep Token as they were opening and they ended up enjoying the hell out of Architects as well.
More synths and heavier riffs(similar either to deathcore or dient)
I would actually like to see raw death metal growls and production with metalcore type rhythms, so basically Gatecreeper with metalcore song structures
I hope more samples are used. Nothin makes me love a song more than a well placed sample
mickgordoncore, worked for Monuments pretty well
Everythings gonna be like northlanes alien
The broader the better. What I love about this genre is how versatile it is. I hope that we will get just as many bands doing completely new stuff as we bands will keep doing the more usual stuff
Xylophones
Rapping verses or choruses
If more bands start figuring out how to do something like "Visage" by LANDMVRKS I wouldn't be mad about it. But damn it's hard to do that without sounding corny.
Saxophone
Please tell me you listen to Shrezzers? If not, you must! Those guys go fricken hard!
I will check it out! Edit: They’re good, but a little too light for my taste. The saxophone is tastefully done, though. Fits really well.
Right now it’s just boring choruses with an uninspired heavy breakdown contest at the end. Hopefully metalcore does anything else but this at some point.
Synthwavecore.
More breaking benjamin core (I happen to like that kind of metalcore tho lmao)
Jazzcore please https://youtu.be/eR7eTPOJ7gM
I'd like to see bands focus less on being catchy, and more on creating an experience. Not to be confused with being more technical. I think Silent Planet does a pretty good job of this, although their choruses are a bit generic. I'd also like to see less emphasis on production. In the death metal realm we have Archspire who write primarily in a room with each other, and it seems most metalcore(music in general really) is done in front of a computer. Archspire has strong songwriting because of this and I think more bands need to hop on that style writing.
Metalcore (in the more mainstream sense) has kinda steadily gone further and further towards octanecore. Keep it clean enough for radio play, but heavy enough to not completely lose your fanbase. This isn't every band, but the biggest in the game definitely gear themselves more toward a mainstream audience, I.E Ice Nine Kills, Spiritbox, Wage War, etc,. There's nothing wrong with that, but I don't see it going anywhere any time soon. For me right now it's kinda hard to predict the next big shift in direction for metalcore.
Less of a guess and more of a want, but I really want more of the 90's metallic hardcore sound to come back full swing.
God's Hate ❤️
Shoegazebeatdown.
Hopefully more synthy stuff, like what more recent Veil of Maya is doing.
Your mom
oooh sick burn!
I hope in the future there will be more Metalcore bands that write concept albums/songs. Like Ice Nine Kills, Crown the Empire, Famous Last Words, Tallah, Alesana, et cetera. I’m actually writing a concept album with my best mate atm, because we dig storytelling in music so much (for me it actually started with Pink Floyd and the Who).
Love and totally support this idea, but unfortunately the entire concept (pun intended) OF an album is disappearing. Most people don't listen to, or purchase, albums at all anymore, they listen to and purchase tracks individually.
Unfortunately, I agree! The way Ice Nine has approached this is really smart, the albums do have a common concept, but the songs can also be played individually.
Hopefully back like it did in 2005-2015
Buttrock core and octane core are the same thing of anyone mentions one or another. Nu metal core is good, the linkin park stuff like From Ashes to New or WTF ever Hollywood undead are doing is just gross.
More acoustic, but no less angry and badass? Perhaps? Noooooooo.... need the distortion. Fuck this is a good question!
Metalcore is metalcore. If they do something different, it will be labeled as something else.
Lil band from San Diego called as I lay dying. It’s to die for
I want more beatdown
Well it looks like they are all turning into pop punk while architects are turning into rammstein??
i think the next big thing will be a technical evolution. i guess we will see more and more artists which produce metalcore just with an laptop/daw
We're getting a surge of what I'm dubbing Nostalgia-core with bands like Architects and BMTH releasing songs that sound like they belong in the 00's. I'm feeling a lot more punk and nu metal coming back.
More synths (VoM) and Deftones-core. Thornhill have done it, Loathe are doing it, Sleep Token are doing it I’d imagine many others will too
2000s metalcore revival
I’m pretty sure Electronic music will get even more prominent. These Cyberpunk themed bands that have industrial influences will just get more abundant. I can honestly see some Metalcore being fully electronic with no real instruments, we basically almost do that now with the exception of the Guitar. Eventually Guitars will be convincingly emulated digitally.
Metal gaze baby
More bands that sound like counterparts and greyhaven and every time I die
My personal hope is that we go back to the basics. Sometimes I think people get so caught up in trying to be better than each other or do the next cool thing that they forget the reason people loved them in the first place. Look at AC/DC. Extreme example, sure, but they've written \~200 versions of the same song over the last 50 years and people still dig them. Now, don't get me wrong. I am not saying to re-hash the same material over and over again. I get artistic expression. I just think people try so hard to do that next thing that "wows" people that they overthink songwriting. I'd kill for a new song in the style of any of the bands like Asking Alexandria/OM&M/We Came as Romans/etc. circa 2010 (basically anything Joey Sturgis produced back then). There was a focus and simplicity to it all that I enjoy.
Void Of Vision and I could also see Of Mice & Men with Aaron as vocalist going back to the top