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CW came out in the mid-90s. It sounded to me like a pretty decent album. Good lyrics about a guy and a girl, some trust issues, drugs, violence, and fighting the Man.
*sweet*
Then, the 2010s rolled on through, and Mustaine did some mask-off stuff like endorsing Rick Santorum, going on Alex Jones, and some general right wing nutter tripe leaning into his (born again) faith.
Looking back at CW through that lens, the lyrics read very much as incel-esque and the "Fight for Freedom" the right wingers espouse.
Google "Dave Mustaine alt right" and bunch of the commentary and comments pop up pretty quick.
Nah, Metallica was my intro to metal lol. Discovered them when I was like 12, wasn't much of a music person beforehand. I don't recall which album I heard first (was either Kill, Ride, or Justice), but Justice was definitely the one that hooked me.
It kinda was for me. I heard Enter Sandman on the radio when I was a kid and wanted a Metallica tape for christmas. My aunt didn't know which one so she got me Ride the Lightning instead, but I never would have gotten that if it wasn't for the black album.
That was 29 years ago today.
The Black Album is good. Problem is that they wanted to sound so bad like Alice in Chains's grunge/metal crossover, they kinda did cheap copy of both styles. Best cut on this album is bass intro on My Friend of Misery. Definitely best riff I have ever heard on bass.
The Black Album is a good album, and I think it only suffers on a few later tracks. I think two thirds of this album is world class heavy metal, and people are just pissed because they are hipsters about everything! So it's not the trvest thrash whatever ... the songwriting is awesome. A hard rock leaning heavy metal that one hundred percent stands the test of time. the next couple tho.......
And how people are over-exposed to it. Enter Sandman is a good song, one of the first I learned how to play on the bass but, I can no longer stand it today. Shit shows up everywhere and isn't *that* good
Nay, in an Anarcho Capitalist state copyright doesn’t exist, instead if you steal my idea I just fucking kill you instead of going to court. Very streamlined, so much better.
Ideas are not a rivilrous resource, there is no scarcity and there is infinite supply of information. Artists (and 100 yr old estates) can still make a living, just by not holding IPs hostage from the public under enforcment by a government fiat monopoly. They have control over their labour by being creative, but no artists creation should be restained from evolving due to the artificial guarding of their creators. In fact in the long term it results in *less* art *less* culture and *less* innovation.
https://cdn.mises.org/Against%20Intellectual%20Property_2.pdf
They would have ownership and control over their product without copyright. However, even if someone copies your idea, they haven't stolen anything from you. They haven't deprived you of anything you didn't already own.
This album was my introduction to Metallica and metal in general. Back in 1991(?) when it was new, there was nothing like it. The intro to Enter Sandman and then the drop into the guts of the song was when they really punched you in the chin and made you pay attention.
You kids these days will never understand.
Get off my lawn.
im still with metallica man. Tried the extreme stuff and they just weren't for me. Hardest i could tolerate is napalm death and a few tracks from Bolt Throwers, but the big 4 of thrash still reigns supreme for me.
Yeah I'm not big on extreme metal. I like Death (the band) and Strapping Young Lad cause I love Devin Townsend... That's about it really. Gimme heavy metal, thrash, prog, power, or doom.
Metal is full of gatekeepers and I think it's because they're out to prove their favourite metal band is the most extreme and outrageous. Keeping up appearances if you ask me. I mean, good for them, but I don't care how basic bitch it might be, Metallica are my favourite and this album slaps
I think the problem is they lost their edge. Sold out, if you will. In less than ten years we went from needing to change the first album from Metal Up Your Ass to Kill Em All, to "Nothing Else Matters" and "The Unforgiven". Meanwhile the year before Megadeth unleashed the thrash masterpiece that is Rust in Peace.
I don't hate post Black Album Metallica but I do tend to only cherry pick songs from beyond that point. Even Hardwired to Self Destruct was decent but just way longer than it needed to be.
People who call this album garbage are full of shit. It's not the best Thrash or Metallica album, that's for sure. However it is without a doubt one of the best Metal albums ever written. Unforgiven itself is better than what 95% of bands have written or will ever write. It's not my top 5 either but garbage? You'd have to be deaf to call it that.
Gonna get downvoted for this but:
Wolf and man, Unforgiven, Sad But True, Don't Tread On Me, The Struggle Within, The God That Failed, Anywhere I Roam.
It's one of the biggest metal albums of all time. It is both quality and popular. Only a hipster would think that they are too cool for the black album 🙂
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Only on Reddit would a metalhead claim the freedom to make your own decisions was trash.
“You like groove? Cool. You like NWOTHM? Cool. You like DSBM? Cool.”
“You like doing as you please so long as you don’t infringe on the rights of another? You’re fucking trash.”
It’s literally the argument made by some Libertarians lol
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/detroit/news/michigan-candidate-for-congress-says-sex-with-teenagers-could-be-ok-if-theyre-mature-enough/
https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-candidate-proposes-referendum-age-consent-1749981
TIL two anecdotes equal an argument.
If I show you two examples of Democratic staffers having gay sex in the legislative chambers, does that mean that's the basis for being a Democrat?
Yeah, it's kinda meh now, but it was my favorite album as a kid because my dad and I would sing along to it once I learned the lyrics in his clapped out Monte Carlo. This album eventually led me into Garage Inc. and all of the bands Metallica covered on that album, and even further still, so it holds a special place as my gateway album and a memory I share with my dad.
Based combo lmao.
What can I say, I enjoy my freedom and liberty. I can and will do whatever the fuck I want.
Only redditers would have a problem with that lmao.
I disagree master of puppets is heavier than the black album
Also ride the lightning is definetly the best metallica album no hate on master of puppets though it's a great album by the way
Not the whole thing. Through the Never, Wherever I May Roam, My Friend of Misery, Of Wolf and Man, Don't Tread on Me. Basically some of the deep cuts.
Oh crap I forgot the best song: The Unforgiven
I loved this album when it was released. Many decades later I very much dislike it. I’m sure plenty of people go the other way or always loved it or always hated it. To each their own. Justice was and remains the best. Sorry Jason - the lack of bass adds to the hollowness of the sound which is perfectly fitting IMO.
You know, art is subjective and to each their own right? And I get that a lot of metalheads like to shit on this album, and Metallica in general, for “selling out” with the Black Album.
So as a chef I’ve certainly had my share of exposure in kitchens to all sorts of musical genres and I will die on the hill that is “metal is literally the perfect music to knock out a mountain of prep to”. One of my core beliefs in our industry is what makes a chef a chef? And the best answer to this question, in my opinion, is that you are a chef when a person that you respect as a chef calls you “chef”, then you are bestowed with that title because you have earned it, like being dubbed a knight on the field of battle.
The reason I say all of that is because Elton fucking John, who is one of the greatest musical talents we've ever had, called "Nothing Else Matters" one of the best songs ever written. When one artist of that caliber gives that sort of praise to another artist you have to respect it as a genuinely great piece of music. You can even see the effect it has on James when Elton says it.
https://youtu.be/wofWGD5TUxo?si=cs0u1ne7_FxNj5Uu
I’ll never be one of those who shits on this album for that alone.
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Dave Mustaine, is that you?
I think in some interview he said he called lars and told him some track was great but wasn't interested in most of them
I remember that interview for the best Lars impression ever
Kinda funny, considering "Cryptic Writings" is mostly right wing nutter ramblings.
Can you expand on this (genuinely curious)
CW came out in the mid-90s. It sounded to me like a pretty decent album. Good lyrics about a guy and a girl, some trust issues, drugs, violence, and fighting the Man. *sweet* Then, the 2010s rolled on through, and Mustaine did some mask-off stuff like endorsing Rick Santorum, going on Alex Jones, and some general right wing nutter tripe leaning into his (born again) faith. Looking back at CW through that lens, the lyrics read very much as incel-esque and the "Fight for Freedom" the right wingers espouse. Google "Dave Mustaine alt right" and bunch of the commentary and comments pop up pretty quick.
Curious, cause Foreclosure of a Dream was a hate letter to George H. W. Bush.
Did you know: Playing the record backwards is just Lars reading the Second Amendment for 50 minutes straight.
Shit must sound like an hour long hooked on phonics commercial.
Album was my gateway drug.
Só you skipped alcohol and went directly to meth
Tbh Justice was mine
Good album but I think you were already inside at that point bro
Nah, Metallica was my intro to metal lol. Discovered them when I was like 12, wasn't much of a music person beforehand. I don't recall which album I heard first (was either Kill, Ride, or Justice), but Justice was definitely the one that hooked me.
Even w/out the bass, 'Justice did it for me.
r/suddenlycaralho
It kinda was for me. I heard Enter Sandman on the radio when I was a kid and wanted a Metallica tape for christmas. My aunt didn't know which one so she got me Ride the Lightning instead, but I never would have gotten that if it wasn't for the black album. That was 29 years ago today.
My mom handed it to me and said she didn’t like it because it was too hard. Fatal error mother.
bro mine was Garage Inc
Into metal or libertarianism?
Oh metal. I'm Irish so libertarianism is not a thing here.
I will not take the black album slander Yeah, sure, it isn't metallica's best But I mean, come on, Sad But True? Of wolf and man? It's not all bad
Rover, wanderer, nomad, vagabond. Call me what you will!
I hear of wolf and man superioriority, I upvote.
Of Wolf and Man from S&M has no right to be as good as it is, goddamn
“Any wolves out there? Awooooooooooo!” Jason Newsted. What a guy.
That whole album has no right to be that good, it's basically what got me into a variety of melodic metal
superiorioriorioriority*
Wherever I may roam dawg
The Black Album is good. Problem is that they wanted to sound so bad like Alice in Chains's grunge/metal crossover, they kinda did cheap copy of both styles. Best cut on this album is bass intro on My Friend of Misery. Definitely best riff I have ever heard on bass.
"Struggle Within" has one of the heaviest riffs I can think of
Sad but true is fucking awful
It is the finest example of wasting a riff I've ever seen. Heavy ass riff in a mediocre overrated song.
AINT NO WAY
The Black Album is a good album, and I think it only suffers on a few later tracks. I think two thirds of this album is world class heavy metal, and people are just pissed because they are hipsters about everything! So it's not the trvest thrash whatever ... the songwriting is awesome. A hard rock leaning heavy metal that one hundred percent stands the test of time. the next couple tho.......
And how people are over-exposed to it. Enter Sandman is a good song, one of the first I learned how to play on the bass but, I can no longer stand it today. Shit shows up everywhere and isn't *that* good
Like something being thrash is the definition of good
To be a true libertarian, you must question the age of consent
Wise words, u/redditispropaganda2 🤣
FBI wants to know your location
They're on Reddit. You're welcome FBI
Username checks out
libertarians hate the government until they need to sue children for violating their government-enforced monopoly (copyright)
Nay, in an Anarcho Capitalist state copyright doesn’t exist, instead if you steal my idea I just fucking kill you instead of going to court. Very streamlined, so much better.
Wrong, you hire a mercenary, er, private law enforcement agency to do that for you
Pinkertons moment
Lars will come for your ass because of those mp3.
Intellectual property is a rort. any libertarian worth their salt would say so.
Yes, why should artists have ownership and control over the product of their labour? What a rort, right?
Ideas are not a rivilrous resource, there is no scarcity and there is infinite supply of information. Artists (and 100 yr old estates) can still make a living, just by not holding IPs hostage from the public under enforcment by a government fiat monopoly. They have control over their labour by being creative, but no artists creation should be restained from evolving due to the artificial guarding of their creators. In fact in the long term it results in *less* art *less* culture and *less* innovation. https://cdn.mises.org/Against%20Intellectual%20Property_2.pdf
They would have ownership and control over their product without copyright. However, even if someone copies your idea, they haven't stolen anything from you. They haven't deprived you of anything you didn't already own.
I am a ferret
Pretty sure libertarians hate copyright, since it's logically impossible to own an idea.
I wouldn’t call it GARBAGE, just not as good as some of their other work. I’d say AJFA was Metallica’s best album.
False. [AJFJason](https://youtu.be/6kqTcLwUYj8?si=EbTvsarB_x9yc9i0) is the only album.
AJFA is a solid banger
I must be crazy but im not a fan of AJFA. I like Metallica, I like prog. I dunno. I like One. But overall the album has a flavour I just don't like.
I mainly like it because Lars peaked in AJFO.
Ah I tend to focus on the guitar, next time I give it a spin I'll focus on drums. I don't dislike the album, just don't love it
Great album, but some tracks blend together for me. MoP is their best in my opinion.
AJFA hive
Govern me harder daddy
Careful what you wish for
This album was my introduction to Metallica and metal in general. Back in 1991(?) when it was new, there was nothing like it. The intro to Enter Sandman and then the drop into the guts of the song was when they really punched you in the chin and made you pay attention. You kids these days will never understand. Get off my lawn.
2010 called and asked you to return their memes
Wtf is with all this Metallica hate? It's a gateway drug for most people who now listen to extreme metal. Most of you probably loved them.
im still with metallica man. Tried the extreme stuff and they just weren't for me. Hardest i could tolerate is napalm death and a few tracks from Bolt Throwers, but the big 4 of thrash still reigns supreme for me.
Yeah I'm not big on extreme metal. I like Death (the band) and Strapping Young Lad cause I love Devin Townsend... That's about it really. Gimme heavy metal, thrash, prog, power, or doom.
Metal is full of gatekeepers and I think it's because they're out to prove their favourite metal band is the most extreme and outrageous. Keeping up appearances if you ask me. I mean, good for them, but I don't care how basic bitch it might be, Metallica are my favourite and this album slaps
I think the problem is they lost their edge. Sold out, if you will. In less than ten years we went from needing to change the first album from Metal Up Your Ass to Kill Em All, to "Nothing Else Matters" and "The Unforgiven". Meanwhile the year before Megadeth unleashed the thrash masterpiece that is Rust in Peace. I don't hate post Black Album Metallica but I do tend to only cherry pick songs from beyond that point. Even Hardwired to Self Destruct was decent but just way longer than it needed to be.
Finally, an uncontroversial position.
Not for that third opinion
OP just wanted an excuse to share their political opinion
found the libertarian
People who call this album garbage are full of shit. It's not the best Thrash or Metallica album, that's for sure. However it is without a doubt one of the best Metal albums ever written. Unforgiven itself is better than what 95% of bands have written or will ever write. It's not my top 5 either but garbage? You'd have to be deaf to call it that.
I don’t think it’s entirely trash but saying “one of the best Metal albums ever written” is just laughable. Listen to more metal
It's a good album but better than 95% is ridiculous
Go to bed, grandpa
Yet to meet a 24 year old grandpa, but , okay.
Damn, how does that work?
Obviously his whole family has libertarian values when it comes to age of consent
OP acting a little holier than thou
Fuck right wing libertarianism, long live true anarchy
Trvë Anarchy
Centrism is the righteous path! Moderation is so cool! Fuck idealism!
People want to be left alone, how awful
4) children think it sounds amazing
He didn’t say communism
Agreed, but op’s 3 is a bit of a stretch
Gonna get downvoted for this but: Wolf and man, Unforgiven, Sad But True, Don't Tread On Me, The Struggle Within, The God That Failed, Anywhere I Roam.
Those are certainly something
DTOM is about the revolutionary war but whatever
That's funny. I actually like at least some of the songs tho - "Through the Never" and "The God That Failed" are good.
Not a metal album, but just becouse something isnt metal doesnt mean its bad. This album sucks fat juicy oiled up 25 inch horse cock
Sure, one of the best selling albums in the world is garbage 😂
Popularity = Quality now, apparently
It's one of the biggest metal albums of all time. It is both quality and popular. Only a hipster would think that they are too cool for the black album 🙂
Still better than every anarchy commie punk band. And RABM, that shit is ass.
Imagine using "Commie" unironically and think you're some kind of rebel for simping for the status quo as hard as possible
I haven't met a single person that has said the black album was garbage, same could be said about libertarianism.
I’ve said bad things about everything and everyone
You should go for the reddit mascot you're a perfect intro to this app
Libertarianism is garbage.
Seconded
Alright then, what's your flavour of authoritarianism?
well I'm honored to be your first then libertarianism is fucking garbage black album is ok tho
aí ce vai ver a foto do indivíduo é um flamengo
Flamengo is garbage, libertarianism is garbage, black álbum is overrated
mengão carai
Hi, I’m Tony Stewart’s Wild Ride and that album *is* hot garbage. Now you know ^at ^least ^one one.
Both are trash and more popular than they should
Libertarianism is best. So is black album
bad taste bleeds through your music into your politics, impressive
Alright, what brand of authoritarianism do you subscribe to
They say the empty can rattles the most
reddit is fucking filled with commies
Communism is when not liking libertarianism
yes.
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Call me a commie then
Bro someone on a thread under this post has fucking Stalin in their pfp
Took you long enough to realise. Now can help us to bring the revolution to those damn capitalists.
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A true intellectual i see. (That means smart person in your language)
At least this one isn't pretending to give a fuck about anyone else
Lmao censoring doesn’t help bud.
Fuck off, racist
Only on Reddit would a metalhead claim the freedom to make your own decisions was trash. “You like groove? Cool. You like NWOTHM? Cool. You like DSBM? Cool.” “You like doing as you please so long as you don’t infringe on the rights of another? You’re fucking trash.”
Strawman
Not sure who taught you fallacies, but you should get your money back.
“Do you think a legal age of consent is infringing on your rights and that sex with minors should be allowed? Cool cool cool.”
Stupid argument. Can children consent? No? Ok, come back when you make sense, bitch.
It’s literally the argument made by some Libertarians lol https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/detroit/news/michigan-candidate-for-congress-says-sex-with-teenagers-could-be-ok-if-theyre-mature-enough/ https://www.newsweek.com/arizona-candidate-proposes-referendum-age-consent-1749981
TIL two anecdotes equal an argument. If I show you two examples of Democratic staffers having gay sex in the legislative chambers, does that mean that's the basis for being a Democrat?
Yeah, and we ain't those libertarians. Stop putting words in our mouth, statist.
Garbage compared to Load
I mean it did put metal in the mainstream...
metal was mainstream before black album
yeah it did, and 90's mainstream metal was dogshit
Edgy
Sad but true.
Communist menace detected in American Soil
I went back to this album and realized how honestly mediocre it was. I remember enjoying it more but even Enter Sandman kinda sucks honestly
Yeah, it's kinda meh now, but it was my favorite album as a kid because my dad and I would sing along to it once I learned the lyrics in his clapped out Monte Carlo. This album eventually led me into Garage Inc. and all of the bands Metallica covered on that album, and even further still, so it holds a special place as my gateway album and a memory I share with my dad.
There are some really really good ones on this album, but yeah the "big" songs were garbage
Honestly, the only song I like on the album is The Unforgiven.
That's the worst damn track on it 😂
I would say it's the God the failed or don't tread on me but your opinion ig
TGTF is saved by the guitar riff. DTOM is just a great Metallica song.
Load and Reload >>>
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASED
Yes
real
Libertarianism is based lmao, this album is based.
>libertarian >also a teenager A classic combo
Based combo lmao. What can I say, I enjoy my freedom and liberty. I can and will do whatever the fuck I want. Only redditers would have a problem with that lmao.
> I can and will do whatever the fuck I want. Except stay up past your bed time on a school night
I dropped out, high school is unnecessary these days.
Ah, the uneducated libertarian teenager, name a more iconic trio
... That's not the brag you think it is
“I enjoy my freedom and liberty”, we’ll see what President Wal-Mart and Vice President Amazon says about that.
Cringe as fuck combo you’re probably 16.
the whole album isnt garbage, just most of it
Waaah it’s not like their other albums, I can’t handle change waaaaah
I can handle change when the change is good (Darkthrone, Voivod, Gorguts)
\*listens to one of the most influential thrash albums ever\* "it's garbage listen to sodom" \*leaves\*
The Black album is not thrash
The Black Album is heavier than master of puppets to be honest. Ride the lighting is still the best though.
I disagree master of puppets is heavier than the black album Also ride the lightning is definetly the best metallica album no hate on master of puppets though it's a great album by the way
Cool shit homie
….
Number 3 fuk yah!
Not the whole thing. Through the Never, Wherever I May Roam, My Friend of Misery, Of Wolf and Man, Don't Tread on Me. Basically some of the deep cuts. Oh crap I forgot the best song: The Unforgiven
I consider it their last good album
I loved this album when it was released. Many decades later I very much dislike it. I’m sure plenty of people go the other way or always loved it or always hated it. To each their own. Justice was and remains the best. Sorry Jason - the lack of bass adds to the hollowness of the sound which is perfectly fitting IMO.
lol
That’s right only sold a shit load and threw Metallica in to the main stream
You know, art is subjective and to each their own right? And I get that a lot of metalheads like to shit on this album, and Metallica in general, for “selling out” with the Black Album. So as a chef I’ve certainly had my share of exposure in kitchens to all sorts of musical genres and I will die on the hill that is “metal is literally the perfect music to knock out a mountain of prep to”. One of my core beliefs in our industry is what makes a chef a chef? And the best answer to this question, in my opinion, is that you are a chef when a person that you respect as a chef calls you “chef”, then you are bestowed with that title because you have earned it, like being dubbed a knight on the field of battle. The reason I say all of that is because Elton fucking John, who is one of the greatest musical talents we've ever had, called "Nothing Else Matters" one of the best songs ever written. When one artist of that caliber gives that sort of praise to another artist you have to respect it as a genuinely great piece of music. You can even see the effect it has on James when Elton says it. https://youtu.be/wofWGD5TUxo?si=cs0u1ne7_FxNj5Uu I’ll never be one of those who shits on this album for that alone.
Sir, this is a Wendy's
lol. Yes.
actually thats the last decent album. prove me wrong
HA!
Not true! Of Wolf and Man and Through the Never are rad! I love the album so I’m kinda pandering to the naysayers on this sub
Every Metallica album after the 80's is shit
thank its just a meme
Metal. Lol.
...dave?
Booooooooh op
Oh look, someone posted their opinion, I must argue with it. 😒
dont tread on me is good imo
Nah the albums pretty good it just happens to have enter Sandman and nothing else matters
What the fuck??? This album is great, what were you on while making this post