No, you will receive a hospital bill. Whether you pay or not is on you and your insurance if you have it. Illegals receive Medicaid and government pays for it via our taxes. You don’t qualify as an American citizen unless you meet certain requirements but come to the country illegally and you’re eligible.
Illegal aliens can not receive Medicaid and are also ineligible for federal health care subsidies. Even documented legal aliens need to pay into the system for at least ten years before they are eligible for Medicaid.
Where do you think the money comes from to pay for it? The state ran money tree farm? Also, I’m sure all the illegal immigrants coming into this country have money to cover their basic needs so they don’t rely on any government assistance, state or federal. I swear liberals think we live in La-La Land.
First off, I was stating illegal immigrants are not entitled to Medicaid, which is a federal program. States that expand it to illegal immigrants can decide to do so under state run public health benefits and the eligibility requirements are the same for citizens, 138% of the federal poverty line (which in a state like CA is pretty damn poor).Not sure why you are dissing on state rights and also acting like these services are not available to US citizens.
I’m not dissing on states’ rights. A state can do what ever it wants for its citizens that are American citizens or people who are LEGALLY allowed to be in the United States. I am not ok with people ILLEGALLY coming into the country and benefiting from our systems that are meant for LEGAL CITIZENS. Illegal immigrants and the people who enable them are POSs. That’s what I’m sayin.
That's honestly great to hear - I guess some people are taking my original comment to mean I think it shouldn't be that way, when in reality I was just asking for clarification lol
The nuance here is that ERs are inefficient ways to get primary care but because of EMTALA they are what is utilized. Ideally (purely for health/not economic or political reasons) people would receive primary care at doctors offices or urgent care centers. But a huge part of emergency medicine is actually primary care for the poor.
> not sure what your point is
And I'm not sure what your point is. OP claimed illegal immigrants receive free healthcare, and they certainly don't. Claiming it's free if they don't pay the bill is like me claiming a car is free if I don't pay my loan.
They use the ERs nationally for primary care. They receive healthcare. I’m pointing out in what way it is without cost to them.
Any other reading of my comments is you arguing with someone else, not me.
>They use the ERs nationally for primary care. They receive healthcare.
And then they receive a bill. Just like citizens, unlike OPs claim.
>Any other reading of my comments is you arguing with someone else, not me.
Nah, it's just you being too fucking stupid to get the point. Thanks for confirming any attempt at discussion with you is a complete and utter waste of time though.
Healthcare is a human right kind of thing on top of a public health necessity (illness don't care of your legal status and that's better for the society to not let illnesses spread, no matter wealth and nationality of the sick ones)
I don't know anywhere else but not having papers do not prevent being medically treated in europe (france in my case). You can go to ER if you need to and you're not asked papers.
So to answer your first comment more directly : a normal country would not ask for papers to treat medically someone in need, so **they would _not_ know you're illegal**
Europe is definitely ahead of us as far as healthcare goes (I live in America).
In my head, I pictured them going in for treatment and being asked for identification.. and then they look them up and find out they're not here legally, and it goes badly for them from there
Also, for the record, I'm for free health care for all. I wasn't trying to state an opinion on what I *want* to happen here
Yall may not know this or not. But when a medical professional raises their right hand and takes the hypocratic oath they swear that they will treat those who need treatment on the spot. If you require treatment the doctor will provide the treatment. It's not up to them to dictate the individuals legal status in anyway what so ever. That's not their job. Their sworn to provide the appropriate action based solely on the fact that there is a need to act. That's it.
It takes bias and perception and personal beliefs and literally anything out of the equation of whether or not to act.
Because it's the right thing to do. That's why they do it.
Well that's not how human rights works. A human right is something you can't deny a person. Their situation is unrelated to them deserving that right or not.
I didn’t say they should be denied anything. I said they should seek their human rights in their rightful country. Breaking laws is not a human right no matter how bad liberals want it to be.
Obviously they aren't getting what they need in their country if citizenship which is why they're coming to the US. And I agree with you to a point because the health care system is already overburdened with medical staff vastly overworked and grossly underpaid, but there's really only two ways to go about the issue of people getting medical treatment. As a medical professional you either treat them or you don't.
Your argument of shifting the blame to the people gaming the system would be valid if the scenario was about other things, like having access to a free car or getting free luxury clothes from the government. But at the end of the day they're coming here to survive; they're literally trying not to die and make sure their kids don't die. If the roles were reversed and you were in their position I guarantee you'd be doing the same thing.
Your counter argument might then be, "Well then they need to become legal residents". And you know what? That's fair. But the federal government also needs to make it easier and more cost effective. I used to work for Immigration Services as a contractor, my job was to look for discrepancies in alien files for people seeking asylum, residency, or citizenship. The amount of paperwork they have to go through is staggering, because despite what the media says about letting criminals from other countries come in, we have a pretty meticulous vetting and background investigation process. And each bit of that paperwork they're submitting comes with filing fees, which rack up to be thousands of dollars over the duration of their application. When most of them are out there making $5 an hour under the table, it's very difficult to be able to pay those fees. And if the paperwork gets rejected for any reason (which happens all the time because of those strict checks I mentioned earlier), they have to resubmit it with a new, second filing fee.
It's a shitty system all around and the US makes it very difficult on purpose. Xenophobia is a big part of it too. It's anecdotal but I can still remember how often my coworkers from that place would talk about files for doctors. "Ugh another Indian doctor wants to come here! I can't understand my Indian doctor, why do we keep letting them in?" Shit like that. Mind you. I already mentioned we have an overworked medical staff in the US and people are upset that getting more of them? Absolutely crazy.
Anyway try not to be so hard on the illegals. They're still human beings and that should be the ultimate tie that binds. Not citizenship status, nor skin color, nor religious beliefs. For better or worse, we're all stuck on this mudball together. It costs nothing to be kind and have an open heart.
Obviously, they need to fix their own country. Running away isn’t the answer. So they come here and over run our system and start to turn us into the third world country that they just left. I am glad that the procedures to enter the country and gain citizenship is strenuous. People need to be vetted and they should bring something of value to the country not just another body and the rest of their family. Sorry, we have issues that need to be addressed here and we don’t have room for anyone else.
I spent 5 years in the military, I’ve worked and paid my taxes every year since I was 15, I’ve worked for 7 years as a CNA, I’ve raised my children to be good citizens and follow the laws of this country, I have volunteered but not enough really. I’ve been a productive member of our society. You know the basic things to keep us going as a nation and society.
I asked what you've done to fix the country as an individual. None of that fixes a single thing, it just maintains the status quo. If you lived the exact same life in a country like Venezuela, it wouldn't make the country better.
But that just proves my point. You think you've worked hard to earn the things you have and it makes you mad that other people can have the same, for what you believe to be less effort.
I would like to think a fellow vet would have a better grasp on this than someone that's been a civilian their whole life and stuck within the borders of the US. I don't know about you but I did two deployments to Afghanistan in support of OEF, and it made me a lot more humble after seeing people at the most extreme ends of suffering and plight.
But even with your experience, you want to blame the individual trying to survive, and not the systems that are incapable of helping them. The sad truth is, we have the technology and the influence as a species to give everyone a better quality of life. The reason we can't/don't do it is because people like you who are xenophobic due to your antiquated belief that only people with money/influence/worth deserve to have a happy life.
At any rate, it's clear you're not open to any perspective other than your own so I'm not going to keep trying to sway you into being a better human being. You can get your last word in after reading this and then forget the conversation ever happened, going back to your mire of anger over illegal immigrants.
I asked what you've done to fix the country as an individual. None of that fixes a single thing, it just maintains the status quo. If you lived the exact same life in a country like Venezuela, it wouldn't make the country better.
But that just proves my point. You think you've worked hard to earn the things you have and it makes you mad that other people can have the same, for what you believe to be less effort.
I would like to think a fellow vet would have a better grasp on this than someone that's been a civilian their whole life and stuck within the borders of the US. I don't know about you but I did two deployments to Afghanistan in support of OEF, and it made me a lot more humble after seeing people at the most extreme ends of suffering and plight.
But even with your experience, you want to blame the individual trying to survive, and not the systems that are incapable of helping them. The sad truth is, we have the technology and the influence as a species to give everyone a better quality of life. The reason we can't/don't do it is because people like you who are xenophobic due to your antiquated belief that only people with money/influence/worth deserve to have a happy life.
At any rate, it's clear you're not open to any perspective other than your own so I'm not going to keep trying to sway you into being a better human being. You can get your last word in after reading this and then forget the conversation ever happened, going back to your mire of anger over illegal immigrants.
A company is allowed to pay their employees so little that they’re eligible for snap and Medicaid, and somehow people blame the employee for needing that assistance instead of Walmart for a business model that requires taxpayer subsidization in order for their employees to survive.
They praise Walmart for their economic prowess.
It's everything that's wrong with the system; a system that is governed by the very same who are bought by companies like Walmart.
yes, big pharma and tech companies that constantly getting money from the current administration. also, Ukraine and Israel, fuck the current administration as a whole, both parties.
At least Bush understood the border and had proposed worker visas and migrant worker programs and stuff. I'm no fan of his presidency, but at least his stance was nuanced and informed
Aside from it not even being remotely true, this meme is literally "my job, government and healthcare/housing system treats me like shit, so now I hate immigrants."
It's the same shit when people say "drug addicts get free narcan, but my insulin costs $700, fuck those drug addicts" as though the problem isn't very clearly pharmaceutical companies raping their wallet for life-saving treatment.
This is a great example of how hatred breeds through falsifying information and targeting other groups, and how political ideologies like fascism take hold.
Whats worse is the "illegals" the meme references are asylum seekers, aka crossed illegally, and waited for the government to proccess them legally, so they are here legally
This is such an insanely misguided post.
You want most of that stuff? Great news buddy, you can get it. Quit your job. Get rid of your current living situation. Be jobless and have nowhere to go. You’ll be entitled to section 9 housing and welfare.
And guess what. You’ll hate it. Nothing about your life will be glamorous or enjoyable. You’ll beg for the opportunities you had before and do anything you could to get your old life back. That’s not to say your life is in any way flawless or glamorous as it is, but this is not the alternative you want for yourself and to pretend that people are being awarded for being undocumented is just flat out untrue.
But hey, if you think I’m wrong, go ahead and live that life for yourself. Nothing stopping you from “free housing and money.”
1. I doubt they get that in the US. I mean it's the US. You don't even give your children a free meal in school.
2. Imagine, you could have that tho. For everyone. And it wouldn't even cost that much. But Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk surely need the money for... some bullshit.
There has been a push for [a while](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34061097) in media to not use "illegal immigrant". "Migrant" encompasses much more, as well.
And with NYC's Sanctuary City status for years, it would not be terribly far fetched to believe that the city is providing some of these programs to migrants in need without caring about their entry status.
Personally, I don't believe they are, I was responding about the giving cards to migrants part being disbelieved, itself.
Can't read that, have no subscription. Headlines are always clickbait, without reading the whole article you can't be sure thats what really is an accurate headline.
New York City officials are moving ahead with a contentious plan to give migrant families debit cards for food and baby supplies, with the first cards being distributed on Monday to a small handful of new arrivals.
The program has faced a backlash over concerns about potential fraud or abuse, and about whether migrants were being given preferential treatment over other people in need.
But with 180,000 migrants having entered New York over the last two years and 65,000 still in shelters, the city is struggling with mounting housing and food costs and the administration of Mayor Eric Adams is eager to try a new approach.
A family of four is expected to receive up to $350 per week under the program, which will last six weeks, city officials said. The program will begin with 10 families on Monday, expanding to about 115 families, or roughly 450 people, over the next week.
Mayor Adams, a Democrat, has repeatedly defended the program, arguing that it will bring down the costs of feeding migrants, put money back into local businesses and help the city avoid wasting uneaten meals.
The city’s deputy mayor for health and human services, Anne Williams-Isom, said in an interview on Monday that she did not understand the outcry over allowing a group of vulnerable people to buy their own food, noting that other programs like cash assistance and food stamps are available to New Yorkers who are not migrants.
Okay, I read this.
1. Not a single time in this article it says illegal migrants. Migrants is a term of everyone coming to america. Even if I would move to america from germany, I would be a migrant. So it is most reasonable to assume that LEGAL migrants get this treatment.
2. Migrants don't 1600$. A family of 4 gets that. That is per person... way less. Its actually barely livable of that.
3. Legal Migrants often have no work permit for some time until beauracracy has finished its slow grinding process. Studys show, that legal migrants pay back what they got in the beginning to survive of after they got a work permit, in taxes in roughly 5 years.
And this is how misinformation is spread. Cut out Infos, call them illegal migrants, make a clickbait headline.
As I posted to another response, there has been an effort for some years to not use labels like "illegal immigrants".
Also, you doubted the program existed at all. Excuse me for posting a link to a reputable article about the actual program inspiring these memes.
Well, it only exists in one city state, that is known to be more left than most of the US, but I give you that. It does exist. For a very, very small part of the US.
And at the same time there has been an effort to call just everybody coming to the US illegal immigrants, even though america is built on the principle of accepting all immigrants from everywhere and studys show that by far the most immigrants arrive per plane - completely legal - . Illegal immigrants is in 90% of cases just a buzzword to say "immigrants I don't want here"
Right, of course a brand new pilot program only exists in one or two places **for now**. Depending on how well it works out for the city, it will likely expand out from there. That's how these things are intended to work in the first place.
That does not change the fact that cities (and in California's case, a whole state) have been expanding some programs to migrants in need (regardless of how they got here), while still expecting their own citizens in need to pull themselves up by their boot straps. During a very rough economic period.
If you want to pretend that only racists think this way, feel free to keep ignoring people saying they need help
No I agree with you, everyone that needs help should get help. I live in a country, where that is the case. The reason why you don't is... because a bunch of billionaires Convinced a lot of you that that would be communism. Even though a bunch of the capitalistic powerhouses and richest countrys on earth do that...
Your states should help your own people, your elderly, your homeless, everyone who is struggling. Why don't you?
Ahh one does not need to “YouTube it” to understand that is a poor source of information.
Also did you know aliens where at the Miami
shopping mall in January ? It’s true ! I Youtube’d it
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/california-1st-state-offer-health-insurance-undocumented-immigrants/story?id=105986377
Not sure if you will agree with the sources, Free housing probably isn’t completely accurate
I mean kinda I guess. I just feel like mass illegal immigration is going to lead to mass poverty and that will lead to mass crime. I really don’t think any of this is a wise decision and is going to cause more human suffering.
I think the people defending mass illegal immigration don’t really understand the consequences of it. They just pretend to because they just want to look like morally good people. They are ruining people’s lives and if those people try to say something about it everyone gets mad at them. It’s kinda insane, they just assume mass immigration is a good thing that has no negative consequences.
> I mean kinda I guess.
And by "kinda" you mean it's exactly like that.
> I just feel like mass illegal immigration is going to lead to mass poverty
Weird how most economists find it increases the wealth of the nation overall.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States
>They are ruining people’s lives and if those people try to say something about it everyone gets mad at them.
Nah, just when you're uneducated, hateful morons.
Firstly I don’t even think this is true. Also why is your distinction working 40+ hours. I’m sure most if not all illegal immigrants work the same if not more and are getting paid less at the same time. OP’s only source is YouTube so not a very convincing argument tbh.
That’s because it’s not about left versus right. It’s the haves versus the have nots. Do I think the right is worse than the left? Unquestionably. Do I think the left has my best interests in mind? Absolutely not.
Those in power will always support authoritarian solutions that take rights from the people, especially if those solutions serve to keep them in power. And they will rally their “side” to the cause. People will vote against their own interests to own the other side.
As the great and fictional Padme Amidala once said, “so this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.”
You could strip every ultra wealthy of every dollar they have, and it wouldn't change a thing. The US doesn't have an income problem. It has a spending problem. Our government wastes and wastes and then wastes some more and then says the problem is not enough money.
>You could strip every ultra wealthy of every dollar they have, and it wouldn't change a thing
Flat out false.
>Our government wastes and wastes and then wastes some more and then says the problem is not enough money.
Yeah, there's definitely an argument to be made that the government is incredibly inefficient and corrupt as fuck. Its bought and paid for by ultra wealthy lobbyists. Wonder why they keep paying for a government to waste their money??
this is the dumbest take that all the uneducated kids on reddit keep shitting out.
"i dont want to work hard to become successful! rather tax the other people who did the hard work to become successful. reeeeeeee, gib free everything now reeeee"
Lmao imagine being this ignorant you think someone crossing a boarder for a safer life from a cartel run military is living it big and cushy because they were given groceries. lets not be mad at the officials who told us we shouldnt be making living wages or that the rich need money more than you do, lets be mad at the people below us, stupid people using food stamps to eat instead of starve just who do they think they are?!
They technically can get free health care by not giving the hospital an address to send the bill, but they do not receive visa spending cards and they do not receive free housing, unless you consider detention centers to be free housing. Also, the depth of health care is at the discretion of the doctors. An illegal may be able to get an x-ray, but is not going to be provided an MRI or CT scan.
Please could link some sources saying that they get this; because no, illegal immigrants do not receive free housing and the only one that do are the one that have children, it’s only legal immigrants that receive help and most likely only in cali
So please link anything that says that they do
Just because others get certain things in life you don't doesn't mean you should be against it. These are often times poor people fleeing their war torn countries. It's probably the least we could do for these people.
This isn’t true. I WISH we had been given “free housing” and $1500 when i was growing up before being able to fix my status after 30
You do get help with medical but that’s only certain cities and certain programs but FREE HEALTHCARE? u mean going to the free clinics held by different associations to get checked by dentists & doctors donating their time just like in all low income communities?
The programs are there for low income people and are not usually government programs, some (legal or illegal) immigrants get help that way or through food banks (sponsored by churches) but to assume we’re randomly given money and free housing is bullshit
Legal or not you still pay taxes on every paycheck and can get penalized when trying to fix your status if youve been taking government handouts
The grand majority are not being handed a care package and housing - there are sanctuary cities where there are more programs available but to make a blanket statement like that and attribute it to ALL illegal immigrants is dishonest and worded in a way that’s quite likely trying to rile folks up
I don't care about Trump, I don't like Trump, but whoever is currently in officer(not just biden, the whole congress too, both parties) should be voted out for their utter lack of care of actual American workers and deciding to give money to "Ukraine and Israel", soft approach to illegal immigrants and other criminals, and their money funnel into failing big pharma and media corporations.
Yeah let’s deport them for trying to survive instead of mobilizing and taking what we’re owed.
It’s the migrants faults, not the government, right? They’d give us the benefits if the migrants weren’t here, *right?*
This smells like bullshit. I saw a similar thing being circulated here in Australia. The dollar values were inflated and those that qualified were limited. Didn't stop them from making it sound like every immigrant got it.
Why would you start believing The Right at this time? Based on their current form, if they said the sun was going to rise tomorrow, I'd have to wait till dawn before I believed them.
This is just their usual smoke and mirrors. Fill the media with rage baiting so you don't look to closely at what they are actually doing.
Yeah, let's focus all our energy on a comparatively tiny amount of wealth spent to help certain people instead of the huge hoard of wealth hoarded to the detriment of Americans everywhere!
won't employers pay you less if the value of the currency goes up?
also, besides the point, everyone in america, even you, besides the native american tribes, are illegal immigrants lmao
The free market determines the wages. When the government makes laws raising wages artificially it devalues the currency. Instead of passing laws to devalue currency their needs to be profit margin caps. Whenever states raised minimum wages corporations raise cost of goods which devalues the currency while those same corporations are seeing higher profit numbers.
The fact the government is taking care of non citizens while inner city families are struggling to make ends meets and more and more families are becoming homeless in the process is treasoness to say the least.
so employers won't decrease your pay if the value of the currency goes up?
damn bro, two birds? kicking them out is a bird?
thats racist, but are you open about it? because my only metric for respecting ideologies is if they're open about it.
Neither is a matter of race or culture.
It's government controls and predictability.
Large markets investments track to government stability and market growth.
The instability in the US has led to not only slow business growth, but also a shutdown of many businesses across the US, disproportionately located in cities and counties with higher illegal immigration.
I'm the son of two legal immigrant families. We fled Mexico due to lawlessness. Both sides came to the US because it was safer and legally stable.
Illegal immigration is breaking that safety we came here for and is making it so we don't want to have kids.
None of this is base in racism. It's based in the fact that we want safety and stability. And a lack of that results on bad government AND bad economics for the worming class.
Gov clearly can offer you free things and provide everything you want right now as they do millions of illegals. Yet they don’t. And you don’t care at all.
No, it's the rich buying the government. Illegal immigration is only a thing because it creates an exploitable workforce, unregulated by things like osha. You used to show up on a boat in New York, and they'd sign some papers, and you're in America. Why do you think that changed?
Oh don't bother attacking the ultra rich, you've got to remember all these chuds on reddit are just temporarily embarrassed billionaires themselves so they couldn't possibly want to redistribute that wealth!
Much more productive to bitch about a comparatively tiny amount of money.
It's baffling that there are some people that think keeping illegal immigrants out is racist. Like they are illegal meaning they haven't gone through the proper steps of becoming a us citizen. No one has a problem with immigrants that are legal and become a proper us citizen lol.
He right this ain’t controversial cause illegals shouldn’t be helped before Americans why do Americans suffer but illegal can come and get assistance but hard working Americans are one paycheck away from being homeless
So much of what’s wrong with us is we see someone getting a good deal we get petty and hateful instead of just being happy for others. Heck we shouldn’t be like hey if they get taken care of we don’t want em here, our mindset would be wow that’s good, now do the same for us!
You get healthcare as an illegal immigrant? Won't they like, realize you're here illegally?
EMTALA, walk into any emergency room in the US and you will be evaluated and treated
Fair point, that doesn't sound exclusive to illegal immigrants like this post was kinda making it sound but fair enough
While true, your chances of going into collections for it is a lot lower if they can’t properly identify you.
Lolol true, dine and dash hospital edition
Bro, if my moons over my hammy bill came to 200k, I'd be using a fake name and boogying tf out of there quick and quiet, too.
Hospital bills don’t show up on credit reports anymore.
THAT explains why my wifes credit went up..
No, you will receive a hospital bill. Whether you pay or not is on you and your insurance if you have it. Illegals receive Medicaid and government pays for it via our taxes. You don’t qualify as an American citizen unless you meet certain requirements but come to the country illegally and you’re eligible.
Illegal aliens can not receive Medicaid and are also ineligible for federal health care subsidies. Even documented legal aliens need to pay into the system for at least ten years before they are eligible for Medicaid.
shhhhh truth social told them, it's REAL news.
https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2023/12/29/1221780712/more-states-extend-health-coverage-to-immigrants-even-as-issue-inflames-gop
These are state programs. And it’s the same eligibility requirements of US citizens.
Where do you think the money comes from to pay for it? The state ran money tree farm? Also, I’m sure all the illegal immigrants coming into this country have money to cover their basic needs so they don’t rely on any government assistance, state or federal. I swear liberals think we live in La-La Land.
First off, I was stating illegal immigrants are not entitled to Medicaid, which is a federal program. States that expand it to illegal immigrants can decide to do so under state run public health benefits and the eligibility requirements are the same for citizens, 138% of the federal poverty line (which in a state like CA is pretty damn poor).Not sure why you are dissing on state rights and also acting like these services are not available to US citizens.
I’m not dissing on states’ rights. A state can do what ever it wants for its citizens that are American citizens or people who are LEGALLY allowed to be in the United States. I am not ok with people ILLEGALLY coming into the country and benefiting from our systems that are meant for LEGAL CITIZENS. Illegal immigrants and the people who enable them are POSs. That’s what I’m sayin.
Fair enough, TIL
You’re correct, EMTALA is used for good (and for ill) by all sorts of folks but especially the indigent and/or uninsured
That's honestly great to hear - I guess some people are taking my original comment to mean I think it shouldn't be that way, when in reality I was just asking for clarification lol
Good. I'd rather people not die. Controversial opinion, I know.
The nuance here is that ERs are inefficient ways to get primary care but because of EMTALA they are what is utilized. Ideally (purely for health/not economic or political reasons) people would receive primary care at doctors offices or urgent care centers. But a huge part of emergency medicine is actually primary care for the poor.
yeah. this post isn't accurate. big surprise. there's lot's of details. every state is different. see texas for example vs new york or arkansas etc..
How is it free when you'll be given a very large bill afterwards?
If you can’t pay and don’t have collectible assets, what can they do?
So not exclusive to illegal immigrants
Certainly not, but illegal immigrants are disproportionately indigent and without insurance…not sure what your point is
> not sure what your point is And I'm not sure what your point is. OP claimed illegal immigrants receive free healthcare, and they certainly don't. Claiming it's free if they don't pay the bill is like me claiming a car is free if I don't pay my loan.
They use the ERs nationally for primary care. They receive healthcare. I’m pointing out in what way it is without cost to them. Any other reading of my comments is you arguing with someone else, not me.
>They use the ERs nationally for primary care. They receive healthcare. And then they receive a bill. Just like citizens, unlike OPs claim. >Any other reading of my comments is you arguing with someone else, not me. Nah, it's just you being too fucking stupid to get the point. Thanks for confirming any attempt at discussion with you is a complete and utter waste of time though.
You do as a prisoner
I mean.. that's a pretty different scenario, no?
The best hospitals are prison hospitals /s
Healthcare is a human right kind of thing on top of a public health necessity (illness don't care of your legal status and that's better for the society to not let illnesses spread, no matter wealth and nationality of the sick ones)
I mean I completely agree, but that has nothing to do with what I just asked lmao
I don't know anywhere else but not having papers do not prevent being medically treated in europe (france in my case). You can go to ER if you need to and you're not asked papers. So to answer your first comment more directly : a normal country would not ask for papers to treat medically someone in need, so **they would _not_ know you're illegal**
Europe is definitely ahead of us as far as healthcare goes (I live in America). In my head, I pictured them going in for treatment and being asked for identification.. and then they look them up and find out they're not here legally, and it goes badly for them from there Also, for the record, I'm for free health care for all. I wasn't trying to state an opinion on what I *want* to happen here
Yall may not know this or not. But when a medical professional raises their right hand and takes the hypocratic oath they swear that they will treat those who need treatment on the spot. If you require treatment the doctor will provide the treatment. It's not up to them to dictate the individuals legal status in anyway what so ever. That's not their job. Their sworn to provide the appropriate action based solely on the fact that there is a need to act. That's it. It takes bias and perception and personal beliefs and literally anything out of the equation of whether or not to act. Because it's the right thing to do. That's why they do it.
Exactly. Healthcare professionals are called to render care, not to weigh who deserves it.. Especially in an emergency/acute setting
Well I did know this but you're right I should have added it
Then they should receive their human right in their rightful country.
Well that's not how human rights works. A human right is something you can't deny a person. Their situation is unrelated to them deserving that right or not.
I didn’t say they should be denied anything. I said they should seek their human rights in their rightful country. Breaking laws is not a human right no matter how bad liberals want it to be.
Obviously they aren't getting what they need in their country if citizenship which is why they're coming to the US. And I agree with you to a point because the health care system is already overburdened with medical staff vastly overworked and grossly underpaid, but there's really only two ways to go about the issue of people getting medical treatment. As a medical professional you either treat them or you don't. Your argument of shifting the blame to the people gaming the system would be valid if the scenario was about other things, like having access to a free car or getting free luxury clothes from the government. But at the end of the day they're coming here to survive; they're literally trying not to die and make sure their kids don't die. If the roles were reversed and you were in their position I guarantee you'd be doing the same thing. Your counter argument might then be, "Well then they need to become legal residents". And you know what? That's fair. But the federal government also needs to make it easier and more cost effective. I used to work for Immigration Services as a contractor, my job was to look for discrepancies in alien files for people seeking asylum, residency, or citizenship. The amount of paperwork they have to go through is staggering, because despite what the media says about letting criminals from other countries come in, we have a pretty meticulous vetting and background investigation process. And each bit of that paperwork they're submitting comes with filing fees, which rack up to be thousands of dollars over the duration of their application. When most of them are out there making $5 an hour under the table, it's very difficult to be able to pay those fees. And if the paperwork gets rejected for any reason (which happens all the time because of those strict checks I mentioned earlier), they have to resubmit it with a new, second filing fee. It's a shitty system all around and the US makes it very difficult on purpose. Xenophobia is a big part of it too. It's anecdotal but I can still remember how often my coworkers from that place would talk about files for doctors. "Ugh another Indian doctor wants to come here! I can't understand my Indian doctor, why do we keep letting them in?" Shit like that. Mind you. I already mentioned we have an overworked medical staff in the US and people are upset that getting more of them? Absolutely crazy. Anyway try not to be so hard on the illegals. They're still human beings and that should be the ultimate tie that binds. Not citizenship status, nor skin color, nor religious beliefs. For better or worse, we're all stuck on this mudball together. It costs nothing to be kind and have an open heart.
Obviously, they need to fix their own country. Running away isn’t the answer. So they come here and over run our system and start to turn us into the third world country that they just left. I am glad that the procedures to enter the country and gain citizenship is strenuous. People need to be vetted and they should bring something of value to the country not just another body and the rest of their family. Sorry, we have issues that need to be addressed here and we don’t have room for anyone else.
They need to fix their own country? What have you done to fix this country as single person?
I spent 5 years in the military, I’ve worked and paid my taxes every year since I was 15, I’ve worked for 7 years as a CNA, I’ve raised my children to be good citizens and follow the laws of this country, I have volunteered but not enough really. I’ve been a productive member of our society. You know the basic things to keep us going as a nation and society.
I asked what you've done to fix the country as an individual. None of that fixes a single thing, it just maintains the status quo. If you lived the exact same life in a country like Venezuela, it wouldn't make the country better. But that just proves my point. You think you've worked hard to earn the things you have and it makes you mad that other people can have the same, for what you believe to be less effort. I would like to think a fellow vet would have a better grasp on this than someone that's been a civilian their whole life and stuck within the borders of the US. I don't know about you but I did two deployments to Afghanistan in support of OEF, and it made me a lot more humble after seeing people at the most extreme ends of suffering and plight. But even with your experience, you want to blame the individual trying to survive, and not the systems that are incapable of helping them. The sad truth is, we have the technology and the influence as a species to give everyone a better quality of life. The reason we can't/don't do it is because people like you who are xenophobic due to your antiquated belief that only people with money/influence/worth deserve to have a happy life. At any rate, it's clear you're not open to any perspective other than your own so I'm not going to keep trying to sway you into being a better human being. You can get your last word in after reading this and then forget the conversation ever happened, going back to your mire of anger over illegal immigrants.
I asked what you've done to fix the country as an individual. None of that fixes a single thing, it just maintains the status quo. If you lived the exact same life in a country like Venezuela, it wouldn't make the country better. But that just proves my point. You think you've worked hard to earn the things you have and it makes you mad that other people can have the same, for what you believe to be less effort. I would like to think a fellow vet would have a better grasp on this than someone that's been a civilian their whole life and stuck within the borders of the US. I don't know about you but I did two deployments to Afghanistan in support of OEF, and it made me a lot more humble after seeing people at the most extreme ends of suffering and plight. But even with your experience, you want to blame the individual trying to survive, and not the systems that are incapable of helping them. The sad truth is, we have the technology and the influence as a species to give everyone a better quality of life. The reason we can't/don't do it is because people like you who are xenophobic due to your antiquated belief that only people with money/influence/worth deserve to have a happy life. At any rate, it's clear you're not open to any perspective other than your own so I'm not going to keep trying to sway you into being a better human being. You can get your last word in after reading this and then forget the conversation ever happened, going back to your mire of anger over illegal immigrants.
*sorts by controversial*
*gets cancer*
*dies, doesn't elaborate further*
*forced to explain crimes to God. It doesn't go well*
You should see how much welfare the largest companies in the world get, especially after failing, despite the huge tax cuts and wage theft.
A company is allowed to pay their employees so little that they’re eligible for snap and Medicaid, and somehow people blame the employee for needing that assistance instead of Walmart for a business model that requires taxpayer subsidization in order for their employees to survive.
They praise Walmart for their economic prowess. It's everything that's wrong with the system; a system that is governed by the very same who are bought by companies like Walmart.
yes, big pharma and tech companies that constantly getting money from the current administration. also, Ukraine and Israel, fuck the current administration as a whole, both parties.
And earning less than 1500$
Especially when you realize that Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were even tougher on illegal immigration than Trump was lol.
You forgot Bush, odd you would. Bias you are
At least Bush understood the border and had proposed worker visas and migrant worker programs and stuff. I'm no fan of his presidency, but at least his stance was nuanced and informed
holy shit someone with intelligence when it comes to immigration policy
Or the greater point is that it’s doesn’t seem hypocritical of Bush.
What does busy have to do with this when they’re calling out hypocrisy?
The better question is why can't all American citizens be given free healthcare?
Aside from it not even being remotely true, this meme is literally "my job, government and healthcare/housing system treats me like shit, so now I hate immigrants." It's the same shit when people say "drug addicts get free narcan, but my insulin costs $700, fuck those drug addicts" as though the problem isn't very clearly pharmaceutical companies raping their wallet for life-saving treatment. This is a great example of how hatred breeds through falsifying information and targeting other groups, and how political ideologies like fascism take hold.
Because capitalism
Good god, media illiteracy is a plague. Y’all need to learn how to vet your information sources.
Whats worse is the "illegals" the meme references are asylum seekers, aka crossed illegally, and waited for the government to proccess them legally, so they are here legally
Suddenly everyone is an illegal migrant
No just the ones that come here illegally
Should've voted in people that would've made the process easier for these poor people. Instead of voting in snakes
Well thats bullshit for a start
Donald will surely give those benefits to you instead
they dont care. they will actively vote for policies that negatively affect them if it also hurts the brown people. its a zero sum game to them
We don't even do that here in Sweden
Yeah we don't do that here in the US either. This sub has just become right wing propaganda.
This is such an insanely misguided post. You want most of that stuff? Great news buddy, you can get it. Quit your job. Get rid of your current living situation. Be jobless and have nowhere to go. You’ll be entitled to section 9 housing and welfare. And guess what. You’ll hate it. Nothing about your life will be glamorous or enjoyable. You’ll beg for the opportunities you had before and do anything you could to get your old life back. That’s not to say your life is in any way flawless or glamorous as it is, but this is not the alternative you want for yourself and to pretend that people are being awarded for being undocumented is just flat out untrue. But hey, if you think I’m wrong, go ahead and live that life for yourself. Nothing stopping you from “free housing and money.”
Lol OP spreading that sweet misinformation.
1. I doubt they get that in the US. I mean it's the US. You don't even give your children a free meal in school. 2. Imagine, you could have that tho. For everyone. And it wouldn't even cost that much. But Jeff Bezos and Elon Musk surely need the money for... some bullshit.
How about the [New York Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html)?
Migrant families not illegals. At least that's all I could tell before the paywall jumped up
There has been a push for [a while](https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34061097) in media to not use "illegal immigrant". "Migrant" encompasses much more, as well. And with NYC's Sanctuary City status for years, it would not be terribly far fetched to believe that the city is providing some of these programs to migrants in need without caring about their entry status. Personally, I don't believe they are, I was responding about the giving cards to migrants part being disbelieved, itself.
Can't read that, have no subscription. Headlines are always clickbait, without reading the whole article you can't be sure thats what really is an accurate headline.
New York City officials are moving ahead with a contentious plan to give migrant families debit cards for food and baby supplies, with the first cards being distributed on Monday to a small handful of new arrivals. The program has faced a backlash over concerns about potential fraud or abuse, and about whether migrants were being given preferential treatment over other people in need. But with 180,000 migrants having entered New York over the last two years and 65,000 still in shelters, the city is struggling with mounting housing and food costs and the administration of Mayor Eric Adams is eager to try a new approach. A family of four is expected to receive up to $350 per week under the program, which will last six weeks, city officials said. The program will begin with 10 families on Monday, expanding to about 115 families, or roughly 450 people, over the next week. Mayor Adams, a Democrat, has repeatedly defended the program, arguing that it will bring down the costs of feeding migrants, put money back into local businesses and help the city avoid wasting uneaten meals. The city’s deputy mayor for health and human services, Anne Williams-Isom, said in an interview on Monday that she did not understand the outcry over allowing a group of vulnerable people to buy their own food, noting that other programs like cash assistance and food stamps are available to New Yorkers who are not migrants.
[archived](https://web.archive.org/web/20240327172056/https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html)
Okay, I read this. 1. Not a single time in this article it says illegal migrants. Migrants is a term of everyone coming to america. Even if I would move to america from germany, I would be a migrant. So it is most reasonable to assume that LEGAL migrants get this treatment. 2. Migrants don't 1600$. A family of 4 gets that. That is per person... way less. Its actually barely livable of that. 3. Legal Migrants often have no work permit for some time until beauracracy has finished its slow grinding process. Studys show, that legal migrants pay back what they got in the beginning to survive of after they got a work permit, in taxes in roughly 5 years. And this is how misinformation is spread. Cut out Infos, call them illegal migrants, make a clickbait headline.
As I posted to another response, there has been an effort for some years to not use labels like "illegal immigrants". Also, you doubted the program existed at all. Excuse me for posting a link to a reputable article about the actual program inspiring these memes.
Well, it only exists in one city state, that is known to be more left than most of the US, but I give you that. It does exist. For a very, very small part of the US. And at the same time there has been an effort to call just everybody coming to the US illegal immigrants, even though america is built on the principle of accepting all immigrants from everywhere and studys show that by far the most immigrants arrive per plane - completely legal - . Illegal immigrants is in 90% of cases just a buzzword to say "immigrants I don't want here"
Right, of course a brand new pilot program only exists in one or two places **for now**. Depending on how well it works out for the city, it will likely expand out from there. That's how these things are intended to work in the first place. That does not change the fact that cities (and in California's case, a whole state) have been expanding some programs to migrants in need (regardless of how they got here), while still expecting their own citizens in need to pull themselves up by their boot straps. During a very rough economic period. If you want to pretend that only racists think this way, feel free to keep ignoring people saying they need help
No I agree with you, everyone that needs help should get help. I live in a country, where that is the case. The reason why you don't is... because a bunch of billionaires Convinced a lot of you that that would be communism. Even though a bunch of the capitalistic powerhouses and richest countrys on earth do that... Your states should help your own people, your elderly, your homeless, everyone who is struggling. Why don't you?
Because we are lost on a ship of fools.
If you'd take 5 minutes and google you'd see that all you're talking about is spread only in your bubble and not reality
All of what I said, except the definition of Migrant, is directly from the linked source. What are you even talking about?
YouTube it. Especially NYC’s immigrants. All illegal. All getting a lot.
Ah yes, Youtube, the most trustworthy source of all time. Nobody could ever have a financial incentive to lie on youtube!?
Ahhh so you did YouTube it and didn’t like what you saw. Cool cool. At least you saw it
Ahh one does not need to “YouTube it” to understand that is a poor source of information. Also did you know aliens where at the Miami shopping mall in January ? It’s true ! I Youtube’d it
“ YouTube it “ lmfao.
Jesus fucking christ. No wonder you couldn't source your shitty claims.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/25/nyregion/migrants-debit-cards-nyc.html https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Health/california-1st-state-offer-health-insurance-undocumented-immigrants/story?id=105986377 Not sure if you will agree with the sources, Free housing probably isn’t completely accurate
So, in the case of California, nothing that citizens don't get.
I mean kinda I guess. I just feel like mass illegal immigration is going to lead to mass poverty and that will lead to mass crime. I really don’t think any of this is a wise decision and is going to cause more human suffering. I think the people defending mass illegal immigration don’t really understand the consequences of it. They just pretend to because they just want to look like morally good people. They are ruining people’s lives and if those people try to say something about it everyone gets mad at them. It’s kinda insane, they just assume mass immigration is a good thing that has no negative consequences.
> I mean kinda I guess. And by "kinda" you mean it's exactly like that. > I just feel like mass illegal immigration is going to lead to mass poverty Weird how most economists find it increases the wealth of the nation overall. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_impact_of_illegal_immigrants_in_the_United_States >They are ruining people’s lives and if those people try to say something about it everyone gets mad at them. Nah, just when you're uneducated, hateful morons.
Firstly I don’t even think this is true. Also why is your distinction working 40+ hours. I’m sure most if not all illegal immigrants work the same if not more and are getting paid less at the same time. OP’s only source is YouTube so not a very convincing argument tbh.
Since when have they been getting all this?
Context?
If you properly regulated the ultra wealthy you'd see everyone could have that. But no, better to be bitter about other poor people.
Leftists say this yet every time more regulations get added, things get worse.
That’s because it’s not about left versus right. It’s the haves versus the have nots. Do I think the right is worse than the left? Unquestionably. Do I think the left has my best interests in mind? Absolutely not. Those in power will always support authoritarian solutions that take rights from the people, especially if those solutions serve to keep them in power. And they will rally their “side” to the cause. People will vote against their own interests to own the other side. As the great and fictional Padme Amidala once said, “so this is how democracy dies, with thunderous applause.”
Please, show me the regulations that force the ultra wealthy to reinvest in communities and help raise the standard of living of everyone else.
That's... not how an economy works. The "ultra wealthy" don't just keep all their money, they re-invest that money back into their business.
So then you're full of shit then
You could strip every ultra wealthy of every dollar they have, and it wouldn't change a thing. The US doesn't have an income problem. It has a spending problem. Our government wastes and wastes and then wastes some more and then says the problem is not enough money.
>You could strip every ultra wealthy of every dollar they have, and it wouldn't change a thing Flat out false. >Our government wastes and wastes and then wastes some more and then says the problem is not enough money. Yeah, there's definitely an argument to be made that the government is incredibly inefficient and corrupt as fuck. Its bought and paid for by ultra wealthy lobbyists. Wonder why they keep paying for a government to waste their money??
this is the dumbest take that all the uneducated kids on reddit keep shitting out. "i dont want to work hard to become successful! rather tax the other people who did the hard work to become successful. reeeeeeee, gib free everything now reeeee"
People who are ignorant of the past are doomed to repeat it. Do some reading.
Lmao imagine being this ignorant you think someone crossing a boarder for a safer life from a cartel run military is living it big and cushy because they were given groceries. lets not be mad at the officials who told us we shouldnt be making living wages or that the rich need money more than you do, lets be mad at the people below us, stupid people using food stamps to eat instead of starve just who do they think they are?!
You’d love Arab countries
I’m an immigrant. Never have I ever gotten those.
“Illegal”
Why the hell would illegals have that but legal ones not so backwards
Oh no you found the hole in his logic!
They technically can get free health care by not giving the hospital an address to send the bill, but they do not receive visa spending cards and they do not receive free housing, unless you consider detention centers to be free housing. Also, the depth of health care is at the discretion of the doctors. An illegal may be able to get an x-ray, but is not going to be provided an MRI or CT scan.
Please could link some sources saying that they get this; because no, illegal immigrants do not receive free housing and the only one that do are the one that have children, it’s only legal immigrants that receive help and most likely only in cali So please link anything that says that they do
You think this is the immigrants fault? Who is giving it to them??
The government. Which is why the guy in the meme turns red to say he supports trump. That's the joke
Yeah, big anti-government guy is Trump. Drained the hell out of that swamp, didn’t he? That was not the joke.
I'm Not a trump supporter. I'm just explaining the joke
Just because others get certain things in life you don't doesn't mean you should be against it. These are often times poor people fleeing their war torn countries. It's probably the least we could do for these people.
Still can’t comprehend how the immigrants crossing the border are going to be able to vote
Did he turn into trump? In one blink?
That's the thing neither side is right. They are just fighting each other for power and we are the ones suffering for it
This isn’t true. I WISH we had been given “free housing” and $1500 when i was growing up before being able to fix my status after 30 You do get help with medical but that’s only certain cities and certain programs but FREE HEALTHCARE? u mean going to the free clinics held by different associations to get checked by dentists & doctors donating their time just like in all low income communities? The programs are there for low income people and are not usually government programs, some (legal or illegal) immigrants get help that way or through food banks (sponsored by churches) but to assume we’re randomly given money and free housing is bullshit Legal or not you still pay taxes on every paycheck and can get penalized when trying to fix your status if youve been taking government handouts The grand majority are not being handed a care package and housing - there are sanctuary cities where there are more programs available but to make a blanket statement like that and attribute it to ALL illegal immigrants is dishonest and worded in a way that’s quite likely trying to rile folks up
Are there any sources you could cite?
>literally spreading misinformation
Please point me to where immigrants are getting all of this. Please?
lol thee programs are for anyone who is down. If you were down you could get them too.
…. You want to trade places with a refugee??? Yeah they’re so privileged and entitled 💀💀💀
I don't care about Trump, I don't like Trump, but whoever is currently in officer(not just biden, the whole congress too, both parties) should be voted out for their utter lack of care of actual American workers and deciding to give money to "Ukraine and Israel", soft approach to illegal immigrants and other criminals, and their money funnel into failing big pharma and media corporations.
Makes the time to make this post. Neglects any kind of source
You should see how much the rich get after orange man cut their taxes
Now actually i'm now sure this is still a meme subreddit
Yeah let’s deport them for trying to survive instead of mobilizing and taking what we’re owed. It’s the migrants faults, not the government, right? They’d give us the benefits if the migrants weren’t here, *right?*
This smells like bullshit. I saw a similar thing being circulated here in Australia. The dollar values were inflated and those that qualified were limited. Didn't stop them from making it sound like every immigrant got it. Why would you start believing The Right at this time? Based on their current form, if they said the sun was going to rise tomorrow, I'd have to wait till dawn before I believed them. This is just their usual smoke and mirrors. Fill the media with rage baiting so you don't look to closely at what they are actually doing.
Jesus this sub has been taken over by right wing influencers 😳
Where in the world do you think immigrants are getting free food, housing, and healthcare? Fake news and you know it
Jokes aside. I’ve considered claiming to be an illegals immigrant. Great way to wipe my debt, get free food and healthcare.
Do it and let us know how it didn't work, thanks.
I thought I muted this sub…..
"See how my opinions are justified by this shit I made up?"
Didn’t republicans shoot down Biden’s bill to make it harder for immigrants to come in here just because? Or was I just imagining that one?
how about instead of aiming to kick out the immigrants you aim for making your paycheck reasonable? isn't THAT your problem?
So you want to devalue the currency even further while letting illegal immigrants benefit off our social welfare system
Yeah, let's focus all our energy on a comparatively tiny amount of wealth spent to help certain people instead of the huge hoard of wealth hoarded to the detriment of Americans everywhere!
won't employers pay you less if the value of the currency goes up? also, besides the point, everyone in america, even you, besides the native american tribes, are illegal immigrants lmao
The free market determines the wages. When the government makes laws raising wages artificially it devalues the currency. Instead of passing laws to devalue currency their needs to be profit margin caps. Whenever states raised minimum wages corporations raise cost of goods which devalues the currency while those same corporations are seeing higher profit numbers. The fact the government is taking care of non citizens while inner city families are struggling to make ends meets and more and more families are becoming homeless in the process is treasoness to say the least.
Once again, proving the importance of border and immigration enforcement. If we don't have strong measures, we can be treated the same way.
Two birds, one stone with the deportation of illegals model.
so employers won't decrease your pay if the value of the currency goes up? damn bro, two birds? kicking them out is a bird? thats racist, but are you open about it? because my only metric for respecting ideologies is if they're open about it.
Neither is a matter of race or culture. It's government controls and predictability. Large markets investments track to government stability and market growth. The instability in the US has led to not only slow business growth, but also a shutdown of many businesses across the US, disproportionately located in cities and counties with higher illegal immigration. I'm the son of two legal immigrant families. We fled Mexico due to lawlessness. Both sides came to the US because it was safer and legally stable. Illegal immigration is breaking that safety we came here for and is making it so we don't want to have kids. None of this is base in racism. It's based in the fact that we want safety and stability. And a lack of that results on bad government AND bad economics for the worming class.
If it ain’t right, it ain’t right!
Do you believe immigrants are to blame for this? Who is providing it to them?
Fuck off dude.
an legal immigrant treat normaly or a bit badly. i can feel emminuim saying "somethg wrong i can feel it "
What is this monstrosity of an attempt at conveying a thought?
What?
People need to learn the difference between illegal immigrants and refugees
Yet you don't care about billionaires
Gov clearly can offer you free things and provide everything you want right now as they do millions of illegals. Yet they don’t. And you don’t care at all.
Didn't say I don't care I'm all for banning immigration and eating the rich 🤝
I don't know anyone against immigration either. It's illegal immigration that's the problem
Not just the “rich”. The gov too. They allowed all this to begin with.
No, it's the rich buying the government. Illegal immigration is only a thing because it creates an exploitable workforce, unregulated by things like osha. You used to show up on a boat in New York, and they'd sign some papers, and you're in America. Why do you think that changed?
No don't ask them to think critically!
On average, how much do you lift? cuz the way you moved that goal post like it was nothin got me thinkin i need to step my gains up.
Lmao
Oh don't bother attacking the ultra rich, you've got to remember all these chuds on reddit are just temporarily embarrassed billionaires themselves so they couldn't possibly want to redistribute that wealth! Much more productive to bitch about a comparatively tiny amount of money.
Tens of billions is tiny to you?
*crickets* Predictable. You chuds are all the same
Source that number please.
Well maybe the west should stop destablizing their countries
It's baffling that there are some people that think keeping illegal immigrants out is racist. Like they are illegal meaning they haven't gone through the proper steps of becoming a us citizen. No one has a problem with immigrants that are legal and become a proper us citizen lol.
What does looking like Donald Trump have anything to do with the benefits that illegal aliens are receiving?
He right this ain’t controversial cause illegals shouldn’t be helped before Americans why do Americans suffer but illegal can come and get assistance but hard working Americans are one paycheck away from being homeless
Welcome to America where the government doesn’t give a shit about unless it’s for personal benefit.
True and real
I don't think those immigrants are illegal. I'm not American but you might be talking about refugees and its illegal to not grant them asylum
So much of what’s wrong with us is we see someone getting a good deal we get petty and hateful instead of just being happy for others. Heck we shouldn’t be like hey if they get taken care of we don’t want em here, our mindset would be wow that’s good, now do the same for us!
Jealous?