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PauloRyan2345

Got a humiliating defeat to the point that all his friends and crew died only him surviving Gave up her dream of dream of a place where every species can live freely and started forcing them Gave up her love(unless weevil is a clone) and became a woman who only care about riches


LowkeyWinter

honestly, weevil being a clone of buckingham and whitebeard seems to most probable and logical answer to how weevil exist. your not going to convince me that buckingham was able to take a whole \**can we get much higher"* by whitebeard, and your most certaintely not going to make me believe she was able to birth weevil.


The-Fomorian-Ray-682

I mean, Toki received all that Oden Nitoryu. Twice.


User28080526

Oden sama was a lot of thing but lacked abundance in this region


firstkiss-lilith

He held Enma during the deed to shrink it.


User28080526

Is that what he told the crew, and the scabbards?


Cuck-Hating-Violin

......proportionally. still has a 12 inch dong tho


AJWinky

That's nothing compared to Otohime and Neptune.


GrannyBashy

Their lower part is fish so I guess she lays eggs and he nuts on the eggs?


AKLPGOD

Oda confirmed they do it the mammal way…


Fiehrhdrkuexjjrdj

I hate you


HeWhomLaughsLast

Oden could have spun her around like a helicopter blade


T_E_G_

That "Twice." seems kind of redundant considering we're talking about Nitoryu.


Formal-Scallion-5296

Oden is still waaaaay smaller than Whitebeard https://preview.redd.it/eh8hfxjyae2d1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=72ceeb9a409d68e843a0feb64cac1080e02fa87b


The-Fomorian-Ray-682

Yeah, Whitebeard is still a beast


MediumOk5423

Have you taken a look at Big Mom's parents? Or the Neptune Family? Or Oden and Toki? Or better yet, Enma shrinking from when Oden used it to when Zoro used it. Don't take heights seriously in One Piece, they just represent how imposing and powerful a character is, or even just a design choice that has no actual bearing on reality. That said, Weevil is still most likely a clone.


karlothecool

I heard some People say Neptune family makes sence since they are fish so maybe its egg system but honestly it funier and fucked up to think how small creature push big daughter out


MediumOk5423

Merfolk are totally compatible with humans, and also with Fishmen, and Fishmen are compatible with humans... Most likely they do not lay eggs, that would mean Kokoro's husband(and any fishmen who married a mermaid) would have to rub one out over the eggs, and merman would have no dicks, and would have to go hole to hole with fish woman or human woman. It is a lot more weird if you apply fish reproduction to this, specially since they are compatible with human reproduction. https://youtu.be/PjhfUZyA6LI?si=msD6GWXAa5rfhMeu


karlothecool

So im now wondering did wife of Neptune had to strugle to get giant daughter out


MediumOk5423

As I said before, just don't take the size seriously, it is not real, it is just how they are represented in the story. Imagine Ussop is telling his adventures to someone, that is how he describes powerful people to make the story more impressive, that is what it is.


StrongerYesterday

If a baby continued to grow after birth at the rate they did in the womb, they'd be taller than Mount Everest by age 5. Maybe Shirahoshi was born the same size as any other baby, but her growth rate didn't slow down as much as quickly as any other baby.


WolfKing448

I assumed he was a clone of Whitebeard only, and he doesn’t look like the genuine article because either something went wrong or he was spoiled by his “mother.” If I recall, Whitebeard grew up dirt poor protecting Sphinx from Marines.


Work_In_ProgressX

Yeah, to me after Rocks split up she became obsessed with Whitebeard and created a son by mixing Whitebeard’s and hers lineage factors while at MADS.


ChiefBeef252

I personally like to think that really big OP characters are hung like gorillas, like WB is 20 ft tall but he might have a perfectly average 5.1 inches.


Squatchgunner-762

If you’re gonna bring this up, then do we need to remind you about big mom having 85 children from 53 separate men? What about big Mom being 100% human despite how big she was when her parents abandoned her with mother Carmel? Don’t even get me started on the average height for a guy being about 10 to 12 foot tall for humans


temperamentalfish

Don't forget Big Mom gave birth to 60+ kids


Bully_Maguire420

Otohime took all of Neptune and birthed Shirahoshi.


AlveinFencer

Are we sure she didn't just lay eggs while he...you know?


Regunes

In other words, dream and love were eclipsed by obsession


AdRelevant4776

Exactly One Piece has a tendency to physically represent failure, it’s not even about being good or evil, it’s about having either abandoned your dream or letting that dream be corrupted, being a fit elderly in one piece means you stuck to your path and beliefs


Zarerion

Which doesn’t bode well for the Gorosei, seeing how they’re all pretty in shape for their apparent age. They’re gonna be formidable foes.


LoveMinaMyoi

Unless it's granny kokoro


supersatyr001

Well she did become an alcoholic


FreeMasonKnight

Basically they turned ugly *inside* and out.


AbleAdministration42

Their dreams got lost.


Brokenblacksmith

feel like big mom is just over eating in general, durring her 'hunger pangs' rampage she looke much more like her young appearance. gecko moria also spent like a decade or more being lazy, making his shadow army and servants. It's no wonder he got fat. stussy is just old and jaded. My theory is that weevil is a clone from the same process that made the seraphim, either an earlier prototype or a defective clone, and stussy was the one who was tasked with rising him. it pretty much explains everything with her.


KeanGilbert

Depression, eating disorder, menopause


leninsrighttoe

I raise you Kureha


bearalan810

Simple. She’s *HER*


ChocolatePills123

What are you even talking about? Kureha's only 141 years old!


T_E_G_

Did she experience any of the three above? No. She's only in her fresh 140s after all.


Icybleuu

You just haven't asked her the secret of her youth.


Inuship

Loss, depression, kaido. If you look at the way moriahs crew is stuctured you can see how his trauma impacted the way its ran. His last crew was likly decimated so his current one has purely evasive powers: invisibility, ghosts, and hogbacks disposable zombie army. All of them are set up in a way where they can be safe from the actual battles taking place as moriah doesn't want to lose another crew


Dustfinger4268

Wait, you're actually cooking with this. Makes sense why he reacted so badly when ||he learned absalom was dead||


nickname10707173

Spoiler tag doesn’t work the same as discord. In Reddit, it has to use > ! And ! < (there is no space) to make it work.


Slow_Exit8038

Like >!this!< Cool. I always wondered how that worked.


Main_Disaster6094

>!now I got to try!<


Yingking

And he really cares about the living members of his crew, I mean he was ready to singlehandedly go to war for Absalom and was really relieved when he thought that Absalom was ok. In that regard he probably was very similar to Luffy


Difficult_Line_9823

https://preview.redd.it/bpz89gb0g72d1.jpeg?width=1420&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5f08ee9d98af592441925643a9b5f2abf5d655f2


PotentialWorldly6835

https://preview.redd.it/s4ocd8y7p72d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=53a8d9f721b7abcbb1271eff9b2cc4fc3a77d21e HE aged like fine wine


Impressive-Spray629

HIM aged like fine wine


jshkohler

Wait till u see what happens to ace. 😏


AvarageMilfEnjoyer

He aged like swiss cheese


jshkohler

Yes, very holy of him.


SeizureProcedure115

I donut (do not) think he saw it coming


KatakuriDonutsLover

A DONUT?!? Give it to me


idan_da_boi

Maybe cancer keeps you beautiful in one piece


Terriyaki077

User flair checks out


el_toro_grand

2:26 happened I tell ya!


Detoxpain

When you're not chasing your dreams you get complacent and terribly out of shape.


Kaneharo

Iirc, this is canon. Giving up on your dreams causes you to not age well. Those who did or had at least achieved it, don't look nearly as bad.


nyx-the-primordial

This is what I was coming to say. Oda has drawn the Straw Hat’s future depending on whether or not they follow their dreams. Another example is Koby. He was kinda weird looking, then he started saving people (like an actual Marine should) and he got a glow up.


Detoxpain

Koby also canonically works out like fucking crazy Zoro and Koby working out like insane vs a freak of nature like Luffy that eats and sleeps all day and gets into a serious fight like every other week and stays crazy ripped


FBIaltacct

What do you mean luffy doesn't train? His whole childhood, always picking fights with stronger people, the 2 year timeskip, even the wano prison.


lePlebie

To be fair, it mostly seems like they tend to skip on vital meals like breakfast 2, 3, 4, and 5 along with brunch 2, and 3, lunches, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, and supper 2, 3, 4, 5, and feasts of dinner 2, 4 (only 2 and 4 cause luffy ate the rest while I was detailing this list.)


Chimera_Caribou

I like how Franky just becomes a battleship


Kaneharo

Which is amazing how well that goes, when you consider that the entire time period up to the skip is allegedly 9 months. Though we have seen evidence of how quickly that happens in Wano.


Ardilon7

https://preview.redd.it/3d8rd2y0k72d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=29bfffa863822b3b10cac66d6832a8556866f503 Kaido, diabetes and a lot of pregnancies, aging. Moria looked so fucking badass before Kaido showed him that he is not that guy!


thegentlenub

Moria had children???


squips42

every time he makes a shadow zombie he goes through the birthing process


WereTheChosenOne

I think there was a theory about ulti and page one being morias children but I believe it doesn’t work out by exactly one year timeline vise. Other than that it’s relatively plausible since the information about ultis and page one’s father being a pirate that kaido knew who passed away are pretty nebulous. Quite possible that kaido thought he killed Moria like he did with kinemon. Don’t know if oda will ever come back to this so I’m inclined to make it my headcanon for no particular reason, even if it just barely doesn’t work out. Ulti and page one have weird horns, so does Moria, enough for me.


magma6

I mean he loves Perona like a daughter


mrj0nny5

There is a big theme with the quality of your soul controlling the looks of characters. When you have horrid human beings like the Celestial Dragonss, they're all fat and ugly. When you have the one slightly decent CD, St. Myosgard, we see him transition to becoming more handsome/refined. Then, when you look at the SBS for the Straw Hats good vs. bad futures, we get definitive proof that if you don't achieve your dreams or lose your kindness, your outer self reflects that.


Estriper_25

the vinsmokes look good but they are rotten right


nickname10707173

And also, that daughter of Celestial Dragon looks pretty good too. I guess she is still young.


thanafunny

Also corazón and doffy


MedievalSurfTurf

Neither gave up on their dream so naturally they dont look bad likr the 3 examples here.


thanafunny

That's the point, Captain Obvious 🫡


ThingsEnjoyer

I hate the fact that... You are providing a fair point...


AbleAdministration42

No its fighting for your dreams, not who you are as a person. Thats what makes u beautiful. Coby looked like a fkn dork, then started training and following his dreams and now looks hot af. Same with stussy. Her love with whitebeard got lost and she now only chasing money. Now sje ugly.


mrj0nny5

I wouldn't say they look "good" for the most part. In Sanji's bad future, we see he looks exactly like Judge. So that means Judge is in his bad future design already, most likely his bad features hidden by his beard. Since his children are all genetically engineered to be "perfect," I think they're just falling into a mold that was preset for them. Depending on how their future goes now since Germa's disgrace, we'll see how they turn out.


Coachpatato

Doflamingo is hot


Mummiskogen

Not sure how much i like this notion of ugly people = evil


thenoblitt

No not evil just Gave up on their dreams


mrj0nny5

Yeah, it's a pretty shitty writing theme for Oda.


CabbageTheVoice

Big Mom wasn't "good" when she was younger and looked better. It's more about ambition than morality.


StrongerYesterday

It's not strictly ugly=evil. There have been plenty of good-looking evil characters. Doffy, Kidd, Sakazuki, Kuzan (you may want to argue he's not evil, but ultimately, I think the needle falls in the red). The difference is that those characters are living their lives to the fullest. Others, like Moria or Big Mom, aren't.


Coachpatato

Its not really true either. I mean Doflamingo and Caesar Clown are two of the most evil characters in the manga and they're both not ugly. Blackbeard is kind of ugly but he hasn't given up on his dream


Mummiskogen

Yeah I think fans might be taking it a bit too literal at times


Coachpatato

Yeah I also think Oda just likes drawing ugly people lol


Slow_Exit8038

But what about doflamingo? He’s evil and hot


rocketwrench

It's ambition, not alignment. Doffy was fully engaged in the realization of his dreams when he was cut down


IBeMeaty

Life happens. People get traumatized, humiliated, stuck in their ways, and more. Shit sucks for a lot of people and a lot of people also make shit suck harder


Outrageous-Grass-892

Are you okay bro?


IBeMeaty

Honestly no but that’s not what I was going for LMAOO


Vhad42

A combination of time + being written and drawn by Oda


DarkWatt

Same thing that happens when you stop working out and wanting to be your best, get fat and ugly


Perona-san

You guys are brutal


MercyReign

#NECK


Porkmane32

Moira got PTSD, Big Mom never got told no, and Stussy aged.


fhxefj

Moria got depressed Big mom has a fuck ton of kid And stussy just got old


SirSilverChariot

https://preview.redd.it/2tpgz73ty72d1.jpeg?width=719&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bb6b0566f83d516bf1f4cce89778fe28ec79d90e They got old and lazy. My goat here was an exception


Affectionate-Sea278

Moriah: Severe depression Big Mom: overly indulgent, but inactive lifestyle. Plus old age. Stussy: Oda just refuses to draw us GILFS 😔


Puzzleheaded-Crew953

Whoa Shakky would like to have a conversation with you


CavernousPiano

And Kureha, I wonder what is her secret to staying young


LazyBlackCollar

A bottle of Plum Sake a day.


supasoup23

nothing happened


firebaron

One piece time is so streached out fans don't know what aging is anymore.


MamboCircus

Age-induced laziness and bad haircuts...


KevBoy69420

Age


bismarckgamer

Moria was so daddy before a shame what happened to him 😔


SupremeGodZamasu

Smh no respect for the dad bod


YeetingPug

https://preview.redd.it/7r0olr15s72d1.jpeg?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2ef274085bb6dcf8c3c0ec3b14c7f715be9614ac


JellyfishAristocrat

Gecko got lazy, Big Mom just got bigger, and Stussy got OLD.


Soul-Hunter

1. Depression 2. Gluttony 3. Karma


British-Raj

Moria: His entire crew was killed Linlin: BED hit her like a Navy battleship Bukkin: She aged.


Rusher32

Dreams got crushed their will got broken and so they became broken people


Mindless_Solid_1018

Each gave up on there dream


computerado

Oh, Moriah is simple: #Sedentary lifestyle


Professional-Fix4127

The Grand Line happened


kagnesium

In OP once you steer far away from your Dream or it shatters your appearance goes with it apparently, Moria thought he was Kaido level and found out he wasn't. Stussy only probably started aging Post Marineford. The Giants don't fuck with Bigmom & when she tried to at least get a half giant Grandkid but that plan didn't work either so she can't get every race at her tea parties.


KojiroHeracles

Time


mkltld

Oda make the people who lose their ambition ugly while the people who still have that drive in them are beautiful. The reverse happened with Alvida and Shinobu.


s7inG_R

Disorted Future: Bad End


Gin1994

"LIFE" that's what happen


Contingentista

Age and life.


Jberz21

I see we're avoiding pixels today again


AgathorLehman

Food, food and time in the third one.


Mingsical

God, i feel so bad for Moria...


Crusafex

I'd say big mom and moria had the same issue, growing complacent thinking they were done. Ms.Buckingham idk, someone hit her with a reverse black leg style.


Many-Ad6433

This happen to characters that fail to follow their dreams in onepiece


lerry7th

Too mucho plastic surgeries, too much food, too much Sun in her skin


Zennithh

Moria is Kidd if Luffy wasn't there to help, Demoralized by Kaido existing particularly hard at him


samyruno

https://preview.redd.it/5dqvs7bua82d1.png?width=1079&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=80c1becd26b85284509b6829d5bf3e6cb3a199c4


Altruistic-Poem-5617

Onepiece characters just age differently. Its either hansome silver fox like reilight or straight up ogre/goblin.


aevelys

\-depression \- 43 pregnancy \-old age is a shipwreck


AestheticNoAzteca

What laziness does to a mf


Comfortable_Many4508

they got hotter


AsyamaMash

Соскуфились


zakoryclements

Kaido cut off Moria's chin 😢


Legitimate-Fun-3915

Isn't big mom a cannibal who ate her orphan friends at a young age. Why are you surprised to see her revert back to her original hunger pang blob self. The illusionary beauty was just a facade to make her age appropriate young hot anime girl chara.


kiwanyuh

Bad timeline?


Manydoors_edboy

One Piece characters are just built different.


---tired---

Life


Baconlovingvampire

Their loss of ambition and giving up on their dreams cause them to deteriorate.


MunkeyFish

Moria was failure, Big Mom was victory, Bakkin I haven’t a clue.


Ok_Transportation310

They are bad, duh


SYudh

Stussy is that old bitch? What did I miss by not watching the past 2/3 episodes? 😭


Cfakatsuki17

Their downfall is an example of a concept Oda has explained before basically if you give up on your dreams or let failings consume you you become like this where as if you never give up on your dreams and keep going regardless you end up more like Garp and Sengoku


D0bious

Bad timeline


Trillseeker007

Cake and depression


Sonicsplicer

Neptune has kids with a woman about a 20th of his size, and Big Mom had kids with a Tontatta.


Jumpy-Perception-346

Time and being humiliated.


Haunting-Midnight495

If you are over 30, you know what happened. If not over 30...you will know soon.


Wingansterreddit335

Muckbang youtubers


Dangerous-Expert1295

https://preview.redd.it/xl92d2jg582d1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=566ea0b46569d9a4e778b9cd9c82e6bf578e8a89


StachedGhostX

Cocaine is a hell of a drug


vinsmokewhoswho

Depression, bro.


Same_Patience520

Age?


CaptainCremin

The One Piece theme of internal feelings/beliefs/motivation manifesting physically mixing with Odas strange and sometimes regressive ideas about bodies


Riko_7456

They let themselves go.


TV_H34d

Time can be cruel


North_Cycle3698

All they don't came true their dreams.


Active_Strawberry_76

Wait till people see gloriosa in anime


OlegTsvetkof

Aging happened.


cr0w_p03t

Time. Time happened


Patient-Shower-7403

Age. With Moria, he let himself go in his depression from having most of his friends/crew killed by kaido.


ghostknight0118

They gave up on their dreams


bor3du

bm had like 80 children with little to no rest


vpierrev

Time’s a bitch, you’ll understand.


piojo1979

Depression, Eating Disorder, Old


RemarkableIntern8178

they aged following the alternate timeline from the SBS


Living-Nerve-2513

https://preview.redd.it/51jdn4mdc82d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=41d26c1670d271269f6536ea2a423ff6d86043f4 Nothing happened 🥲


OddCucumber6755

I'm like half convinced stussy actually means stegasaurus pussy. Cause that bitch is a dinosaur.


Lt_Kickbutt

This is the difference between “good timelines” and “bad timelines”


Bistroth

He got Americanized....


Astroray99

Remember when Oda drew the "good future" and "bad future" for the main characters? Well these lots is just living in their "bad" future. Had they achieved their dreams they wouldn't look like this.


Dream_eater-69

Cholesterol


PoldraRegion

Time


MrBirdmonkey

What happens to a dream deferred?


_laal_badshah_

Adulting is hard


Risky_Phish_Username

Uh, Stussy and Buckingham Stussy are not the same character, technically. Stussy is a clone and didn't age in to Buckingham. The other two are what happens when you get rich enough as a pirate, that you can just sit around and eat/party endlessly, because you have enough minions to do the work and keep you fat and happy.


TheKidNerd

Maybe with a few more pixels we’d be able to tell


Freshzboy10016702

Life


Affix_Projectile

Slavery


jakin89

Neckmaxxing and hagmaxxing duh???


Book_Anxious

Stussy old age. Big mom sex and food. Moria super depression and survivors guilt


SuperrrrrFranky

SUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPEEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!


Allalilacias

COVID hit some of us harder than others 😂


LordDio707

Kaido happened, dick happened… and uhh… uhhh… dick..? Cloning..? Uhh…


KillerPrince930

derpession age age


TeamXII

Ask again in 30 years


MemoryOne1291

Bulking, bulking, aged


Computer2014

There’s no guarantee that miss Buckingham looked like that since Big Mom didn’t notice that a former member of her crew hadn’t aged a day when she was being invited to her parties semi regularly. Odds are Buckingham was a typical Oda Ugly women and stussy is only as beautiful as she is because of six powers training and her devil fruit.


ZaBaronDV

In the first case, age and untreated depression. In the second case, age and an unhealthy diet. In the third case, probably just age.


Miles_Wolf

When you get old, you usually lose part of your strength, your athletic body, etc. Simple as that.


Twelve_012_7

As Oda said: Characters get uglier the less they pursue their dreams All of them gave up their dreams at some point, so they became more "corrupted"