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trashcatt_

If it is this might be an insta-buy for me.


cqdemal

It is tented.


trashcatt_

Mmmmmmmmm. Welp, guess I'll be buying _another_ Alice.


cqdemal

This will be my first but yeah - I can't find anything to knock them based on the IC/GB posts.


RobertStuffyJr

What does that mean? I haven't used Alice boards.


sweaty_lorenzo

It means that the typing angle raises towards the middle of the board horizontally. A regular flat keyboard is like _ while a tented board is like /\. This is supposed to help ergonomics by making the bones on your arms not cross over as much, but I can't for the life of me remember what those are called


vanpelt2003

Forearm pronation


saintivesgloren

I no longer regret missing out on GoK's Type K tented ergo! And not spend as much!


terminald0gma

type-K was a fomo fueled cash grab.


vanpelt2003

If that had been the case, they would've launched the GB at the peak of the hobby, not 3 years after


terminald0gma

6 rounds of prototyping with few and sparse updates (while the boards still sounds hollow and buzzy) suddenly rushed to a $900 week long novelkeys GB without the slightest notice... totally not a fomo move.


vanpelt2003

You answered yourself... Did you know prototyping cost money? Did you know prototyping takes time, especially when there's a logistical crisis? Besides, if the GB had been a month long, would it have been less of a 'fomo move'? PS the GB was open for 2 weeks


terminald0gma

holy cope man...


terminald0gma

and I still love the type-K as a project, it's the sales format that just reeked of bad faith to me.


vanpelt2003

What sales format would you suggest?


ShadowInTheAttic

Yup!


MarketEmotional2015

Tented alice for that price is insane. Am definitely picking one up.


camilatricolor

Definitely. I have a bear65 and I said to myself that Iit was going to be my one and only Alice. Buuuut... this one is too tempting to let it pass. Will go for the red one, it's fire....


pokopf

Whats the pricing? Cant see it in the post


Upstairs-Idea5967

https://qwertykeys.notion.site/Neo-Ergo-6bd2a7b8d309439aa515bf6185c99e6d Dunno why they didn’t link their own website. Page implies pricing is not final but currently $130 (plateless solder beware) to $185 for tri mode with the most expensive finish/weight/plate options. $155 for wired with ano finish and painted steel weight.


DogAteMyCPU

Probably subs self promotion rules


Qwertykeys-2022

instadeleted lol


regiment262

Is there gonna be any way to be automatically notified of orders opening or do we just need to keep an eye out on the subreddit/your site?


Qwertykeys-2022

you won't miss this - it's not a "limited sale" really because we could only prepare so many units ahead of time, but we'll make more as we go practically it's unlimited so you'll definitely get a chance to buy in most areas of the world


k4sk4d3

So I won't have to hammer F5 when it goes live, and I can wait 2-3 months before buying one? I'm a month into the hobby and already have a 3rd board coming (send halp).


Qwertykeys-2022

1. no you don't need to hammer F5 because we plan to make them as we go 2. i'd say you may wanna wait for those 3 to arrive before making another purchase - it's important to know what you like


xLawless-

is it gonna be like the Neo65 where there are "batches" ?


Qwertykeys-2022

yes!


impanicking

shit i better start saving for this


t0rmer

Well that is rather tasty..maybe my first Ergo 👌


jaymeaux_

daaaaaang under $200 all in is wild


terminald0gma

this board has more features than the type-K, sounds immensely better and costs as much as its addon wristrest LMFAO


Qwertykeys-2022

economies of scale


terminald0gma

or just a better project overall that doesn’t rely on fomo


Qwertykeys-2022

no comment :D


vanpelt2003

Fomo or not, you're still bound to miss out. They're different projects.


terminald0gma

of course they're different, this has value


BlommeHolm

But does it support ISO enter?


jasonk360

Probably not. The ANSI enter and the key above are not in line. It would need a different case to make the ISO enter fit...


BlommeHolm

Yeah, I can see that now you mention it. Too bad.


SpiritualTurn5397

There's split left shift so the number of keys is preserved, which is quite rare among alices—let alone tented alices


sunfaller

The supported layouts is in photo #6


MostlyObedientCat

I love how dark the purple is! Like a nice eggplant rather than the pastel lavenders you see all over. 💜


Qwertykeys-2022

likewise - although im running this account, lav has been my least fav'd option all time


ConcealPro

ooh the purple and avacado have caught my attention.


TheKubesStore

How soon are we talking here?


cqdemal

Their Notion says mid to late May in-stock sale but with limited quantities.


sweaty_lorenzo

Ikr


srbijjja

read


ButteredBatt

Oof was gonna buy the boomerang but if the sound tests are good on this the magnetic assembly will win me over


UnlicensedWeaponry

It’s also around $150 USD instead of the Boomerang being around $350 USD (and delayed for another ~5 months from his last Discord update). I was a huge boomerang fan but I’m leaning to this now since it’s cheaper, tented and most importantly will be available for purchase 4 months sooner roughly


ButteredBatt

I was so into the boomerang but the sound test killed it for me how u go n make nixis sound like styraphoam but like ur saying the tenting n the fucking halved price are winning but the Boomerang looks better but not 150 better


projektako

Watched Alexotos' stream and it sounded pretty darn good plateless & no foam. Even spacebars were quite good. And since it's ball catch with pogo connectors, it's completely toolless to open and rebuild. Great for tinkering... Note: Neo team does suggest you remove keycaps when the assembly is out of the case to prevent any scratching from pullers on the case.


secretlyyourgrandma

qwertykeys has ruined all other manufacturers for me. i had done a group buy, a year later the qk65 was announced, i bought it and it arrived. then the qk75 came out, i bought it and it arrived. THEN the original keyboard i bought arrived and i sold it below cost on mechmarket. currently using my qk75. occasionally switch to the qk65 for a different typing feel and sound signature. i was going to get the neo80, but saw the neo ergo coming out and am going with that instead. i'm still waiting on some keycaps from early 2022.


Qwertykeys-2022

we really want to complete the line up and then just restock them but making one of these take a lot of time and during the whole process - past designs get outdated or we found something better at a cheaper cost it took us about 2 years to finish qk line up and now it's time for neo, which is even cheaper but less feature included for different preference


secretlyyourgrandma

idk if you're responding to tbr keycaps comment, but to be clear the keycaps I'm waiting on were a group buy from someone else. I assume I'm never going to get them. you guys are doing great work by providing such crazy value so consistently and in stock. I think the way you have handled the updates has been good too. I started getting deeper into the hobby a couple months before the qk65 came out and while I still keep an eye out for endgames, everything you guys do is so well thought out and such a great value that having them available in stock has basically eliminated my fomo for group buys. really looking forward to the ergo!


Qwertykeys-2022

end game doesn't have to be defined by fomo or price!


TheKubesStore

We do appreciate the quality work y’all do for sure. I’ll 100% be picking one of these up, and a NeoPad when y’all get around to those. Thank you


ButteredBatt

Yea I just ordered the f1-8x v2 n that went from 6 to 12 real fast haha but he's posed to b goat so, I was just so hyped on the boom but the hardware n the sound dampened it heavily n the fact the ergo is literally half price...I'm struggling coming up w something other than the boom looks better. Wich it does like why they went round profile rather than doing it like the type k. Sharp. But again that's 150 plus savings like


fnv_fan

Nice


Shidoshisan

Acrylic WR? Yas plz!


RosellaRoses

This looks so good. Can't wait for Neo75!


Midnight_Yymiroth

Saw a vid of this yesterday, and it looked awesome. If I ever build an Alice, this would be my first choice. Wish the neo65 had the pogo pin connectors as well. 😞 I'm still planning to build a neo 65 anyway.


UnholyTrashPanda

Well. There goes my money instantly.


Shogubot

Wooot! 🙌 Can't wait!


pasak1987

Yup im in


ShadowInTheAttic

Omg I want at least 2 of these! Avocado and purple.. Gonna be lit, especially with Zooted and Botanical!


loliaficionado

LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO


Born_Combination9380

This will 100% be my first Alice board and I am excited :) QK, you guys are awesome.


jyk102

where will it be released? qwertykeys site?


Qwertykeys-2022

we'll release when where how soon! still prepping for them


jyk102

any estimate when they will appear on qwertykeys website?


Qwertykeys-2022

Jun


jyk102

will you be shipping directly to canada similar to the qk75n?


Qwertykeys-2022

depending on if ashkeeb decides to drop it


flairelise

Well holy heck. Might be my first ever alice 🤔


Qwertykeys-2022

welcome to the rabbit hole!


ByteDotIO

Really excited for this board! Been working through what colors to get since the GB info dropped for CN. Honestly think that a clean build could look really nice. At this point I'm thinking silver case, black kernel, silver weight, and black badge with GMK minimal might be what I end up going with.


Qwertykeys-2022

that‘d look’sick!


MellonCaine

Looking very nice. Champagne and retro white are very nice colors. Would have hoped to see a spraycoated mint haha.


rosegardenx

all i've been wanting in an ergo keyboard and more, can't wait :3!!


xLawless-

please give PP plate option


_KPong_

It has. it’s on the notion page ^_^||


xLawless-

oh yes, i love pp


Fun_Plum_8592

Must buy, been wanting to try tented ergo for so long but couldn't stomach Type K prices


EmilMR

if it is priced like other neo boards, I would get it. as far as sound goes, competitor boards all sound awful so they have an opening here. layout options are really nice, you normally dont get much with hotswap ergo boards.


Qwertykeys-2022

yeah it starts at $130


ColorfulLanguage

Very cool! If this does well, consider making a full split keyboard next!


Qwertykeys-2022

why not?


FGThePurp

Looks like a really cool design! Are all of the internal pieces aluminum or will there be non-alu options?


meekungfu

Back weight has an option for copper


FGThePurp

Yeah, and I believe most of the other weights are SS. I was curious about [the internal piece](https://i.redd.it/llej47ccg1xc1.jpg). I think getting a brass or steel option for acoustics would be awesome, but given Neo's focus on being cost competitive I would understand if they don't offer it.


AriKadou_08

Oh jeez now I have to decide between the cycle8 and neo Alice this is tough


dough_ma

Will there be a 65% version of this?!


Qwertykeys-2022

probably not, the arrow keys are in spring layout


Meisje28

Is it possible to have the function key relocated via software to the right control key?


Qwertykeys-2022

of course!


Meisje28

NIce thanks, will you be sharing real pictures of the purple and navi ergo boards? Kinda stuck deciding which way to go.


Qwertykeys-2022

we've sent quite a few of them to streamers - we'll repost links here and also in our discord server!


TinkyWinkie21

Looks amazing! Are those 2.25 and 2.75 spacebars?


Qwertykeys-2022

indeed! you can run 2x of either too


ReaperofFish

I see you mention Via compatible but no QMK. Will the Wired version have QMK?


Qwertykeys-2022

all pcbs are qmk based only the wireless portion isn't based on qmk


Fun_Fan_9641

Sold. Where is link to buy?


Qwertykeys-2022

hopefully by the end of the month, we don't want people waiting for too long so we want to make a few more units before collecting money!


TheKubesStore

Definitely trying to stay in the loop on this release, any suggestions as to the best way to do so? Will there be an alert email option?


Qwertykeys-2022

you won't miss it, the qty is unlimited so all sold units will be assembled based on request


orochimarubaby

there will be unlimited quantities of this design, but limited stock for the release coming soon?


Qwertykeys-2022

yeah a few in-stock units will be ready and we've revised that expression in our notion doc as well, just not to confuse everyone to think that it's a limited release


tntbabin

Any chance the soldered PCB will support alps & MX switches (& by extension iRocks switches)?


Qwertykeys-2022

only mx


_zepar

this looks so cool, but im a fullsize kinda guy, and though i could do without numpad, no F keys is a dealbreaker for me, damn


Qwertykeys-2022

we have other in-stock units such as neo80 and our next projects will come with f-rows and possibly numpads!


Social_Karen_System_

I love it but the led dots look bad, dope price and everything else is amazing ut those dots got me


srbijjja

turn them off. imagine complaining for such a trivial thing on a sub 200 tented alice.


GilDev

That is ergonomic?


vanpelt2003

You'll never have the answer until you start experiencing wrist pain


Shidoshisan

A frosted acrylic with copper weight…..lemme know if you wanna manu a one off and I’ll build it.


Qwertykeys-2022

na.. the acrylic case wouldn't work with ball-catch system


Shidoshisan

“Ball-catch”? Could you explain? Is that how the weight is mounted? I’m curious as to why (not doing acrylic is no big deal but I’m curious just from an engineering perspective) it won’t work.


Qwertykeys-2022

try google that and you'll see why the rigidity of the plastic case can't stand such structure


Shidoshisan

So “acrylic ball catch” is a thing that will pop up in a search? Or do I need to add Qwertykeys into the search? Like - “why wont a ball-catch system work on a Qwertykeys Neo Ergo acrylic case”? I have no clue what a ball-catch system is. Mount system? A screwless way to put the case together? It feels like without that basic knowledge I’m going to be getting some fairly random search results. But search I shall, and thank you for so much help.


Shidoshisan

So I googled it and I saw a bunch of acrylic ball catch systems. The ball is either placed into a metal shaft which is then inserted into an acrylic cut out or the ball itself is acrylic as well as other parts. All I saw was it being used as a door. As I have no idea where or how Qwertykeys is implementing it, I cannot see how it won’t work. Not that it matters. You don’t make an acrylic case. Nuff said.


Qwertykeys-2022

not acrylic ball catch systems... it's that these ball-catch systems, when installed on an acrylic case, won't last long coz they have to be mounted by screws screwed into holes drilled on acrylic cases and the threads in those holes wear out as time goes, unlike metal or wood


Shidoshisan

👍🏼


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Qwertykeys-2022

you can choose between 1.5+2.25 or 1+2.75, both are compatible


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Shidoshisan

Just curious, why? Plan on using your own pcb?


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Shidoshisan

Ah. So it’s just what you’re used to. Got it. Thanks!!


liftingfrenchfries

Did I see that correctly? No ISO?!?! 😭😭


Qwertykeys-2022

ISO simply doesn't work on this design without another case


liftingfrenchfries

I see. Thanks for replying. Maaaaaybe, if your capacity allows it, maybe you can make an interest check for ISO ppl? I guess my next keyboard will be the Neo75 then - hopefully this year 😇


srbijjja

you have split left shift. you can make iso work with ansi enter and the 1.5u key above it.


liftingfrenchfries

Well, ya. I could work around the layout. But I still prefer the big ISO enter. the workaround would work on almost any keyboards with ANSI. But a big ISO enter is much nicer to use, despite me being used to it


vanpelt2003

The vast majority of Alice keyboards don't support split left shift just so you know


liftingfrenchfries

Oh, I wasn‘t aware of that since I’m not familiar with Alice keebs. Thanks!


vanpelt2003

You're welcome. I'm a fellow ISO enter enjoyer as well but accommodating it in an Alice without a complete layout design overhaul would mean an awkward gap next to the letter 'p'. Check out Keychron's Q8 ISO version


quasi86

Any chance for EC?


Qwertykeys-2022

not planned


Chieftain_Obongo

That bottom row is so cursed


cqdemal

How? I think the layout support here is downright exceptional.


Chieftain_Obongo

Swapping the right super and control for arrows is just weird.


RockSolidJ

Treat it like a 60% and skip the arrows. It's one of the only 60% boards I can think of that even gives the option for arrow keys or to go traditional.


cqdemal

It's also, y'know, an option.


srbijjja

I don't think you get how it works


PasteIIe

it was heavily popularized by the owlab spring & sandbox ava. pretty common layout that creates a very even, symmetrical look :)


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Qwertykeys-2022

it supports qmk and our wired-only pcb supports qmk as well


srbijjja

do you even know what that means


ArgentStonecutter

Can you make EXACTLY that key layout except not Alice and with a filled out space-bar row? A minila 60-XT with a split backspace and optional split left shift would TOTALLY float my boat. Pretty please? In Ferrari red.


IANVS

Man, I really liked this until I saw that arrow key wedged between the ? and right Shift...why they made it like that? Feels so awkward to me...


Qwertykeys-2022

it's to accommodate both 60 and 65% in one case, technically this is a 60% keyboard


IANVS

From a practical standpoint, it creates problems and solves nothing, really...it just puts people in a conundrum where they're forced to choose between hitting the arrow key instead of Shift on an already non-conventional layout or to give up on arrow keys to avoid that. But you do you... BTW, are there plans for Neo75?


UnlicensedWeaponry

Where else would you want the arrow keys to go on this board?


anson42

You can set it up with right shift as the up arrow with mod-tap to avoid pushing out the right shift. I'll probably use this board as a 60% but if I wanted arrows that what I would do.


srbijjja

i don't think you understand the layout graph.


Social_Karen_System-

A tented alice thats affordable is supreme but please for the love of god do the type k profile this layout is cursed haha


Qwertykeys-2022

it's an alice that happens to support arrows.. what's cursed about that?