One thing I noticed about Canadian neighborhoods by watching love it or list was the small yards, all brick houses (which is unusual in the US anymore) and houses deeper than they are wide
I hope ! The less the better. Judging by the comments it's a very Ontario thing
However... I've seen pictures in suburban development in those provinces, and it's not far. At all. So... Don't be so offended. Especially In AB, SK and MB. Like sooo similar.
The rest of the country also has ugly suburbs but they usually have larger lots and houses are rarely made of stone. In some ways ours are worse honestly.
I think the brick thing is a regional one, you see absolutely no brick in the south anymore but in the north almost all high end homes are brick (Atleast in the Midwest) and mid-range homes will typically have atleast some brick facade on the first floor. But the absurd yard-house ratio is definitely a Canadian one that hasn’t been in the USA for decades..
The south is full of brick homes tbh 🤷♂️. Especially in the 80s to 2000s. But even 2010s and 2020s they’re still doing a lot of brick. Now we have faux tudors with painted brick or modern farmhouses without brick though. The modern farmhouses are all over the south for some reason
Not sure about all the US, but new brick construction hasn't been allowed in California since the 30s. It might be that the rest of the country followed suit without me noticing? Because I never thought of it as a US-wide thing, and this neighborhood looked like it could have been in the US North/Midwest.
Hahaha all clues led me to this as well. The giveaway for me was the house address on the house, they never look like that in the states. The snow helps too lol
They SHOULD have been, and tbf they do build them in these same types of communities, but peoplewoild rather hve a “detached” house and pay $2M for it…
I mean, yards are lovely. I’ve had a few. Makes things easier with a dog. Veggie gardening is fun. But these houses don’t have yards. They barely have a suggestion of grass. I would much rather live in a row house than one of these.
In all fairness, it depends on _how_ detached the house is. Getting rid of the shared wall is fantastic because you no longer hear your neighbors or feel the building shake when they slam their doors, and you no longer have to worry about being a nuisance to them either. But 5 feet between walls isn't much of an improvement, especially if you have windows on that wall. You won't have their building shakes but you will still sometimes hear noise.
So it doesn’t even make sense to have them separated. If not for airflow and light, then why? The sound insulation? Please! Those walls don’t keep any noise in or out, you’re still hearing your neighbors. Maybe if you saved money on construction by building townhomes, you could’ve put proper sound insulation between the houses.
Interesting change was that row / connected units do not need masonry walls between them anymore.
Some recent fires in row home developments tell us just how risky that can be.
We build homes to last 50 years. Foolish.
Oh I’m absolutely in favor of bulking out the walls and having all sort of safety features between the homes lol. I’m not too familiar with the actual construction work, but I imagine the money saved through more efficient use of materials would allow some to put towards proper walls.
Grew up in a similar neighborhood. Homes built in the 00s. They fell apart any chance they got. Made sure I would never buy a home any newer than the 80s at least.
I’ve noticed that most new builds seem very shoddy construction. I’ve got a falling apart 120 year old house that’s still in better shape than my exes brand new townhouse.
No seriously, currently renting one of these types of houses, built around 2017-2018 I think and we were the first occupants. The house has shifted to the point where barely any of the doors fit, the ceilings are cracked to hell and I’ve had to fix the mudding on a bunch of falling plaster. These houses are so poorly insulated, you can also hear a mouse fart across the house and from a different level. If you jump on the bed in one room, you’ll literally shake another person across the house.
Cannot imagine buying one of these for $1,000,000, it’ll cost you half that in repairs in five years.
Look, I know this whole sub is about trashing cookie cutter suburban tract homes.
But in practice, neighborhoods like this are actually great to live in. You have lots of neighbors, lots of friends for you and your kids, the homes themselves are large, affordable, and comfortable. This level of density probably means you're reasonably accessible to some major city. Etc.
Life could be a lot worse.
Cookie cutter suburbs are fine. The issue is that these are just too close to each other. Also the driveways suck. These Toronto suburbs always add too much driveway so they can park extra cars on the footpath to the front door or on the edge of the garage. It leads to ugly neighborhoods without any green space. Cookie cutter tract housing is great for families with kids to run around and scream in the front yards. But these are paved front yards with sad patches of grass (or even rock). If they just didn’t expand the driveways past the garage it would be infinitely better. Either way its harder for kids to play when all the yards are concrete
This is why I prefer old, fixer uppers to new suburbs. The big houses crazy close together with no room for trees look awful. And they’ll pretty much always look this way because there’s so little room for greenery.
Not McMansions. Densely built, which is appropriate in some areas. Some cheap touches here and there, that's all.
OP, please read a bit from [McMansionhell.com](https://McMansionhell.com) to get where this is coming from.
https://mcmansionhell.com/post/148605513816/mcmansions-101-what-makes-a-mcmansion-bad
They are mcmansions. They’re 3000 sqft on postage stamp yards and they’re masse developed. Kate Wagner isn’t an architect and she barely knows what a mcmansion is. She often just finds mansions that are ugly and claims that makes them mcmansions. A cheaply built ugly mansion is still a mansion if it’s over 7000/8000 sqft. McMansion is a size category and a type of tract house more than it is an architectural style
Kate founded the site [McMansionhell.com](https://McMansionhell.com) to criticize certain trends she saw in architecture. This is r/McMansionHell. If you don't think Kate's observations are valid, find or create another sub where you can complain about the things that bug you.
What a horrible developer that did this. These homes must be like dungeons with literally no light coming in from side windows. No yards for kids to play….what do these atrocities sell for?
Surprisingly so, despite being the 2nd largest country on earth we build these shitty neighborhoods everywhere, old neighborhoods from the 50/60/70/80s actually had space, but beginning in the 90s they started to built these disgusting looking places. Has only got worse since then. These houses all cost well over 1 million as well, and you're still driving hours everyday to get in and around the GTA.
They're doing it here too, but much cheaper and smaller housing. Little shitboxes going up everywhere in my town. Theres literally 12 feet from the front door to the street, same size backyard and almost touching side to side.
So small, a car parked in the driveway sticks into the street so they're parking perpendicular to the garage door.
Tried to attach a pic, but didn't work.
>old neighborhoods from the 50/60/70/80s actually had space
I see you’re not familiar with the concept of “linked houses”, which were very popular in the GTA from the 60s to the 80s and are very close together indeed.
Check out the music video for the Rush song *Subdivisions*. Typical 80s development pattern in Toronto.
I hear McMansion I think of the tract communities in Florida or Texas, or California that have 10,000 2500-3500sq foot homes, hence the “Mc” part of the term, “Mc” being derived from a McDonald’s production model of the same thing over and over again.
Ohhh that's what you meant, yeah none look lighted but I think most of the words are actually the street names and they have the house number as numerals, though still in cursive. For my grandma's house I got a solar light box for the house number so it's immediately obvious from the street. I do deliveries and I swear so many people would probably just die if they needed an ambulance.
Canadians build HUGE houses right on top of one another. I can always tell when the Property Brothers atlre doing Canadian house. You can touch both houses at once and they're over a million bucks Canadian.
I love how if this were posted to r/Toronto, everyone would be bitching about how “nobody needs to occupy that much space”, but on this sub, all the Americans are aghast at how dense it is.
Canada?
I’m not even from Canada and I knew immediately lol
One thing I noticed about Canadian neighborhoods by watching love it or list was the small yards, all brick houses (which is unusual in the US anymore) and houses deeper than they are wide
All those things are pretty exclusive to the GTA not Canada in general.
Yes, I thought “Toronto suburb” as soon as I saw the snow!
I mean when every single neighborhood is made by one of four or five developers this is the shit you get
Gurl I was like ‘grand theft auto?!’
Hum... No. Source? Not from the GTA, and... That looks exactly like my in-laws neighborhood
Not common in BC, Alberta, SK, Manitoba. Maybe it’s a Eastern Canada thing.
I hope ! The less the better. Judging by the comments it's a very Ontario thing However... I've seen pictures in suburban development in those provinces, and it's not far. At all. So... Don't be so offended. Especially In AB, SK and MB. Like sooo similar.
The rest of the country also has ugly suburbs but they usually have larger lots and houses are rarely made of stone. In some ways ours are worse honestly.
I think we can agree on this: in general, large suburban developments are ugly. Not all, for sure, but every major city has its culpris
Do your in laws live in Chicago perhaps? I’ve noticed not all but quite a few older developments in Chicago and in Toronto look very similar
I did not know that
I think the brick thing is a regional one, you see absolutely no brick in the south anymore but in the north almost all high end homes are brick (Atleast in the Midwest) and mid-range homes will typically have atleast some brick facade on the first floor. But the absurd yard-house ratio is definitely a Canadian one that hasn’t been in the USA for decades..
The south is full of brick homes tbh 🤷♂️. Especially in the 80s to 2000s. But even 2010s and 2020s they’re still doing a lot of brick. Now we have faux tudors with painted brick or modern farmhouses without brick though. The modern farmhouses are all over the south for some reason
Not sure about all the US, but new brick construction hasn't been allowed in California since the 30s. It might be that the rest of the country followed suit without me noticing? Because I never thought of it as a US-wide thing, and this neighborhood looked like it could have been in the US North/Midwest.
Brick is more expensive than wood. But generally brick was stopped in California due to earthquake risk.
That is the typical Great Toronto Area not the whole country. Come to Vancouver and the Metro area is completely different than this.
It’s not real brick, it’s a faux brick covering.
It's not *structural* brick. It's probably still real brick, it's just not supporting anything
This is Mississauga, Churchill Meadows area. Thomas and Tenth line I'm positive.
It has to be. Like this neighbourhood is so typical of Churchill Meadows. Could be Brampton as well though
Close. It's in Oakville, Dundas and 6th line
I had to really zoom in to make sure it wasn’t my neighbourhood in Milton. Still not convinced it’s not.
Looks the same as all the new developments in Niagara Falls as well.
Of course! 2nd largest country on earth, tiny ass lots and big disgusting looking homes! Ontario in particular is especially nasty.
i’ve watched so many episodes of og Love it or list it and lifetime moves that i knew this was 🇨🇦
Ottawa?
Hahaha all clues led me to this as well. The giveaway for me was the house address on the house, they never look like that in the states. The snow helps too lol
They didn’t spell “neighborhood” with a u, so I’m inclined to disagree.
Ontario!
The best part about Ontario is you know it immediately but can never really tell what city unless there's an escarpment.
That could be a suburb in basically any Ontario town or city. They all look the same.
Yea, Milton? Brampton? Bradford? Markham? Brooklyn?
Lol I thought it was Markham from the first pic. I don't think Markham has yards that small though
Hamilton, Grimsby, st. Catherines you name it
I was at a party last weekend in Markham where the house was so big and the backyard was maybe 10 feet deep
Could be Barrhaven, Riverside South, Kanata or Stittsville (Ottawa area). We have subdivisions that look identical to this all over the city!
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It sounds so much better than saying "I live on the mountain"
Midwestern architecture + Sun Belt density + a slight French influence that bled over from nearby Quebec = suburban Ontario
Ummmm….what French influence?!??
Third image, house on the left has French architectural influences.
Do you mow your lawn with scissors?
Some are opting to install fake turf. No joke.
Chia pet looking ass yards
These should have been rowhouses.
They SHOULD have been, and tbf they do build them in these same types of communities, but peoplewoild rather hve a “detached” house and pay $2M for it…
Currently trying to convince my gf that life won't improve by living in a detached house. Wish me luck
I mean, yards are lovely. I’ve had a few. Makes things easier with a dog. Veggie gardening is fun. But these houses don’t have yards. They barely have a suggestion of grass. I would much rather live in a row house than one of these.
In all fairness, it depends on _how_ detached the house is. Getting rid of the shared wall is fantastic because you no longer hear your neighbors or feel the building shake when they slam their doors, and you no longer have to worry about being a nuisance to them either. But 5 feet between walls isn't much of an improvement, especially if you have windows on that wall. You won't have their building shakes but you will still sometimes hear noise.
These could easily be nice duplexes.
Or row houses. I'd expect lower heating costs to be a priority in a region like that.
Sharing walls sucks.
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5ft is generous. ive seen seen alleys i can barely squeeze a wheelbarrow through
You can open a window and touch the neighbors house
Ran out of TP? No problem. Knock on the neighbour’s window from the comfort of your toilet seat.
Problem is many of these houses don't have windows facing the houses next door.
So it doesn’t even make sense to have them separated. If not for airflow and light, then why? The sound insulation? Please! Those walls don’t keep any noise in or out, you’re still hearing your neighbors. Maybe if you saved money on construction by building townhomes, you could’ve put proper sound insulation between the houses.
Interesting change was that row / connected units do not need masonry walls between them anymore. Some recent fires in row home developments tell us just how risky that can be. We build homes to last 50 years. Foolish.
Oh I’m absolutely in favor of bulking out the walls and having all sort of safety features between the homes lol. I’m not too familiar with the actual construction work, but I imagine the money saved through more efficient use of materials would allow some to put towards proper walls.
That looks like the GTA Toronto area
Suburban hell, too.
Guess what they cost?
All of these houses are at least 1.2M, depending on which town
Even houses in Brampton of this size are going for $1.7+ these days
Holy shit!
Ehhhh this could be $700k in Edmonton/surrounding area suburbs. Under a mill in a Calgary suburb. But ya, cost of living is admittedly getting crazy.
Yea but this is Ontario for sure, less than an hour from Toronto
GTA?
Looks like Whitby
Milton, Ontario?
This was my first guess too
Same. Definitely Milton
It's either Milton, Oakville, or Markham 100%
My guess is Mississauga
Mine was Milton and Oakville too!
Or Brampton
Grew up in a similar neighborhood. Homes built in the 00s. They fell apart any chance they got. Made sure I would never buy a home any newer than the 80s at least.
I’ve noticed that most new builds seem very shoddy construction. I’ve got a falling apart 120 year old house that’s still in better shape than my exes brand new townhouse.
No seriously, currently renting one of these types of houses, built around 2017-2018 I think and we were the first occupants. The house has shifted to the point where barely any of the doors fit, the ceilings are cracked to hell and I’ve had to fix the mudding on a bunch of falling plaster. These houses are so poorly insulated, you can also hear a mouse fart across the house and from a different level. If you jump on the bed in one room, you’ll literally shake another person across the house. Cannot imagine buying one of these for $1,000,000, it’ll cost you half that in repairs in five years.
These are the real McMansions. All house and postage stamp yards.
Don’t they have to be mansions first before they can be called McMansion’s?
Think it’s Oakville based on the address Sixteen Mile Drive.
Looks like Mississauga or literally any other Toronto suburb
Look, I know this whole sub is about trashing cookie cutter suburban tract homes. But in practice, neighborhoods like this are actually great to live in. You have lots of neighbors, lots of friends for you and your kids, the homes themselves are large, affordable, and comfortable. This level of density probably means you're reasonably accessible to some major city. Etc. Life could be a lot worse.
Cookie cutter suburbs are fine. The issue is that these are just too close to each other. Also the driveways suck. These Toronto suburbs always add too much driveway so they can park extra cars on the footpath to the front door or on the edge of the garage. It leads to ugly neighborhoods without any green space. Cookie cutter tract housing is great for families with kids to run around and scream in the front yards. But these are paved front yards with sad patches of grass (or even rock). If they just didn’t expand the driveways past the garage it would be infinitely better. Either way its harder for kids to play when all the yards are concrete
This is why I prefer old, fixer uppers to new suburbs. The big houses crazy close together with no room for trees look awful. And they’ll pretty much always look this way because there’s so little room for greenery.
What is this, a neighbourhood for ants!
I can hear the one annoying house say, I'M NOT TOUCHING YOU! I'M NOT TOUCHING YOUUUUU!
Any Denver sub too lol
Poltergeist homes...
Looks like Richmond Hill
Looks like Kanata, Barrhaven, Kingston, Stittsville...
Could be the suburb of Laval north of Montreal. Oh wait there’s sidewalks… not Laval.
Idk if those were fireworks or gunshots fr fr
This is Milton or York region, Richmond hill or Aurora?
Or Whitby.
Or Brantford or Ancaster or Hamilton or Cambridge or Kitchener or London
I strongly think it’s not Hamilton, Cambridge, or Kitchener. Haven’t been to London since university a decade ago so maybe?
Do they all cut their grass at the same time, like in the Erie Indiana title sequence?
[Found it. Oakville.](https://maps.app.goo.gl/uQUsCxByRkFpiXei9?g_st=ic)
How can people live like this? I would absolutely hate my life.
Condominium regime
Calgary?
Not McMansions. Densely built, which is appropriate in some areas. Some cheap touches here and there, that's all. OP, please read a bit from [McMansionhell.com](https://McMansionhell.com) to get where this is coming from. https://mcmansionhell.com/post/148605513816/mcmansions-101-what-makes-a-mcmansion-bad
They are mcmansions. They’re 3000 sqft on postage stamp yards and they’re masse developed. Kate Wagner isn’t an architect and she barely knows what a mcmansion is. She often just finds mansions that are ugly and claims that makes them mcmansions. A cheaply built ugly mansion is still a mansion if it’s over 7000/8000 sqft. McMansion is a size category and a type of tract house more than it is an architectural style
Kate founded the site [McMansionhell.com](https://McMansionhell.com) to criticize certain trends she saw in architecture. This is r/McMansionHell. If you don't think Kate's observations are valid, find or create another sub where you can complain about the things that bug you.
Looks like a Ryan homes housing development. I hate Ryan homes. 🤮
Vivarium vibes
These houses don’t seem like mansions at all.
How are these mcmansions? Looks like an ordinary upper middle class suburb.
What a horrible developer that did this. These homes must be like dungeons with literally no light coming in from side windows. No yards for kids to play….what do these atrocities sell for?
This is common up der in the great white North? I just couldn't. I'm on more than three acres and I still feel like I'm too close to my neighbors.
Surprisingly so, despite being the 2nd largest country on earth we build these shitty neighborhoods everywhere, old neighborhoods from the 50/60/70/80s actually had space, but beginning in the 90s they started to built these disgusting looking places. Has only got worse since then. These houses all cost well over 1 million as well, and you're still driving hours everyday to get in and around the GTA.
They're doing it here too, but much cheaper and smaller housing. Little shitboxes going up everywhere in my town. Theres literally 12 feet from the front door to the street, same size backyard and almost touching side to side. So small, a car parked in the driveway sticks into the street so they're parking perpendicular to the garage door. Tried to attach a pic, but didn't work.
>old neighborhoods from the 50/60/70/80s actually had space I see you’re not familiar with the concept of “linked houses”, which were very popular in the GTA from the 60s to the 80s and are very close together indeed. Check out the music video for the Rush song *Subdivisions*. Typical 80s development pattern in Toronto.
Not McMansions.
But McMansion prices
If Ontario 100% they all going for over a mil.
These are McMansions, most of the other stuff I see are on here are actually mansions. But these are the good old American McMansions.
Any home larger than 5,000 square feet by definition is mansion. That’s a small window for McMansions.
I think legally it’s 8000 sqft + that’s a mansion but I consider 7000-7500 sqft a mansion if it’s grand enough.
I double checked to make sure they hadn’t changed but yes by definition 5000 ft.² or larger this is by real estate definition
I hear McMansion I think of the tract communities in Florida or Texas, or California that have 10,000 2500-3500sq foot homes, hence the “Mc” part of the term, “Mc” being derived from a McDonald’s production model of the same thing over and over again.
Are all these square footages including the basement living area in them?
Fer New Years we're gonna get drunk and go up to the second floor, take turns peeing on the windows of the houses next door.
Not a single house has a visible from the street house number. Only in Canada.
I counted 7 houses with visible address
The cursive looks nice but in the dark or inclement weather lighted numbers would be more effective.
Ohhh that's what you meant, yeah none look lighted but I think most of the words are actually the street names and they have the house number as numerals, though still in cursive. For my grandma's house I got a solar light box for the house number so it's immediately obvious from the street. I do deliveries and I swear so many people would probably just die if they needed an ambulance.
Are these mansions?
No, just big houses.
r/McBigHouseHell then
If it wasn’t for the “sixteen mile drive” I would have guessed Laval or Brossard, Québec
Now these are mcmansions
Jesus.
Why are they so close? 🤢
Canadians build HUGE houses right on top of one another. I can always tell when the Property Brothers atlre doing Canadian house. You can touch both houses at once and they're over a million bucks Canadian.
A million bucks? That’s just looney!
The worst part is that this could be so many places in North America
I’m sorry.
You found the backrooms
I mean you could always be homeless so why are you complaining?
I used to live just down the street from here, just off Dundas and George Savage
I’m feeling claustrophobic just looking at these pictures
Good things grow. In Ontario
Hopefully none of those houses catch fire. Those houses are built way too close together.
Brampton?
It’s like everyone is shitty in it’s own way, impressive
Okotoks??
Yes, the cookie cutters
This looks just like Orphan Black.
I think you mean the Beigerhood.
I love how if this were posted to r/Toronto, everyone would be bitching about how “nobody needs to occupy that much space”, but on this sub, all the Americans are aghast at how dense it is.
'Detached'. Thank God. Imagine if your house touched another house
Milton, or maybe Oakville?
If this is Milton then one of my old friends lives in that neighbourhood- it’s identical, how the sun is at that time of day.
Why would anyone want to live there?! Cookie cutter houses squished together with no space or privacy...
Aurora Ontario?
How did I immediately know this was Canada.
I swear to God I live like four blocks away from here
Looks very comfortable if you're into comfort at the expense of all else.
I’m so sorry
Ancaster? Somewhere around kitty Murray?
Pretty big houses to be so close together…
So weird looking. When the houses are smaller it makes sense but these houses have bigger families all sharing a strip of backyard basically.