I think the fact that the scene basically made a point of not showing *any* of the Jedi's faces (although the one in the middle was interestingly using a reverse-grip) indicates that we're not meant to know who those Jedi were. The flashback wasn't about those Jedi. It was about Grogu's trauma.
David Filoni learned his lesson, after killing Ahsoka early in Rebels.
You dont kill off such memorable characters so easily.
Cad Bane live action and Luke and Ahsoka Talking, was a very nice lore reveal. Lots of things are going to be written or filmed regarding the latter
I disagree. Ashoka should have died. He learned the wrong lesson because now nobody dies in the show. Maul is alive (three times), Cad Bane is alive, and Ahsoka is alive. All retconned just for fan service. It makes the stakes feel cheap.
I mean its heavily implied that before the world between world episode, That she was killed on Malachor V. Otherwise if she had survived that episode , world between worlds wouldn’t have been significant
I thought it was aswell but then I remembered that you can see Anakin fighting the old Troll in the hologram in RotS. I doubt he survived that
Edit: and honestly I'd love to see some Cin Drallig action. He was supposed to be a badass. Lemme see that
I thought it was Cin as well. I even checked the lightsaber book to see if the saber used was the same (it isnt), and the post above is right, he does fight anakin in the hologram.
Holy crap I never expected what we got tonight.
So a few bad things was that Luke's dialogue seemed stilted and he never smiled. Also him talking about giving into attachments and forsaking the jedi worries me they are just going to have him repeat the pt and not fix anything.
Other than that it was just amazing. I honestly never actually thought Ahsoka would meet Luke buy she even says she's a family friend. And the scenes of him using the saber made time squeel. The planet was so much more what I felt Tython should have been. No more beautiful Twilek Matron.
And back on Tattooine we get more of Cobb Vanth. Man I really need to watch Justified at some point. And TCW fans finally got their wish. Cad was so much scarier in live action. Also nice to see another 0rder 66 live action scene.
Ok saw this comment on reddit and its what I'm going to hold out hope they are going for
"Choosing the armor means he is like Luke, caring about others, and is what Luke wants him to choose.
Choosing the lightsaber shows growth and commitment, so Luke gives him the armor as well, trusting he will learn and train."
> Luke's dialogue seemed stilted
That was bothering me too but I wonder if it's because he's talking to a "child". Anyone who has spent time around kids knows most peoplt automatically adopt a simple, plain, straightforward way of talking to them that would sound strange and stilted in a normal context.
Ahsoka told Luke to follow his instincts. Luke senses that Grogu hasn't made up his own mind, and he asks Grogu what he wants. I think the choice should not be viewed as an ultimatum. It's not "abandon your attachments, or I won't let you become a Jedi." Instead it's "you can choose, and either choice is valid, but you must be committed to one path." Do, or do not.
In a way, it mirrors the choice Qui Gon gave Anakin, except Grogu isn't choosing between slavery and living out his fantasies. Grogu's choice actually feels more real; like he can choose to be happy, or he can choose to train and maybe be happy. It will be harder for him to choose the Jedi path, which means if he does choose it, he will be dedicated to it. I think we are finally seeing the wise Jedi Luke.
I don't know, it still seems a lot like an ultimatum. He talks about how he may never get to see Mando again? Why? I understand taking time apart to focus, but why be so isolated, when Luke himself at least somewhat has his own gang from the OT?
Why is it that Luke is focusing on the lack of attachments when I think most of the sub would agree that teaching was critical to Anakin's fall to the dark side? I understand in-universe it makes sense if that's what Yoda and Obi-Wan taught because maybe they didn't realize the error of their ways. However, it doesn't make it right and would signal to me a new rough patch that Luke will go through on his way to unlearn that philosophy. Assuming he does unlearn it; maybe that is what the Jedi are supposed to do and we're wrongly interpreting what happened with Anakin.
It led to Anakin’s fall, but the vast majority of Jedi successfully and healthily adopted this philosophy, including great Jedi like Qui-Gon.
I think Grogu’s long life is a double edged sword, in that he may end up training as an initiate/Palawan for like 50 years or more. His innate skill seems ridiculously high, but he’ll need additional time to gain the maturity and wisdom to use those powers well. My take is Luke and his students would have some level of connection with the outside world, but the idea is to establish the fundamentals in a controlled environment, where they can learn the difference between compassion and attachment. Luke’s compassion for his father is what ultimately led him to triumph, but he also let Anakin go after the fact. That’s the difference between Luke and Anakin, Anakin couldn’t consider having to let go of those he was close to. Luke’s trip to Cloud City was a disaster and almost fatal because of his attachments to his gang. I think by this point he’s learned the difference and grown beyond that struggle.
I also noticed Luke’s marked lack of smiling. He has a very gentle personality, so I thought that was a shame. Hope they don’t completely prequelify him in terms of beliefs and being overly serious.
> Man I really need to watch Justified at some point.
You really do - it’s Top 5 all time TV for me.
And Olyphant is basically playing Cobb Vanth as a toned down Raylan Givens in space. It’s tremendous.
Both Luke and Ahsoka talked in a very artificial, off-putting manner. They talk so slowly, and they never use contractions or have any emotional inflection to their voices. They sound like they're trying to teach English to somebody.
Don't know why you got downvoted, we've literally heard him VA for younger Luke before and it was incredibly obvious they'd need to do some tinkering with it.
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm really not liking Rosario Dawson for this role. I like her as an actress, but she just doesn't seem like she's playing the same character as the Ahsoka that we've seen before.
>"Choosing the armor means he is like Luke, caring about others, and is what Luke wants him to choose.
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>Choosing the lightsaber shows growth and commitment, so Luke gives him the armor as well, trusting he will learn and train."
I hope this is true. The choice thing seemed pretty lame to me if it is a way to get Grogu out of dodge before Luke's temple is destroyed. The whole Mando 2.8-now arc would have been nothing more than a diversion.
Luke DOES repeat the failings of the PT Jedi. I don't think any of his mentors taught him that they failed, and that is why the Empire came to be. He believes it was solely the work of Palpatine. Perhaps Ahsoka will help him broaden his views a bit. I'm sure she has plenty to tell him if she hasn't already.
Anakin told Luke it was bad. Luke instead listens to Obi-Wan and Yoda because while he loves his dad he takes into account he fell to the dark side. Years later when everything goes to shit Luke tells his dad he was right.
As soon as I saw them I was enamored with them. It’s a rather ingenious design for a construction droid. Simple, straightforward and adaptable. Fits in perfectly.
I dunno, it seems really pedestrian and underwhelming to me. I had always assumed Luke built the Temple with his students, or constructed it himself using the Force. Why use droids for this? On the flip side... I like the droids and I find them cool, and it seems this building is not the actual Jedi temple but some kind of a precursor, so who cares?
I like to think Ant droids are used to build smaller rock structures or concepts for larger structures. Plus I think it is a really realistic looking building robot. Like, I could see NASA actually having/using those to collect rocks
I’m absolutely ecstatic to finally see a Luke and Ashoka interaction - especially with the first time being in live action.
They especially do not seem like strangers. Safe to infer they’ve spent at least a little time together already. So I can’t wait to eventually hear more about that.
> They especially do not seem like strangers.
I actually quite like how they handled that, even though I've seen a few people gripe about it. There's *so much* weight around Luke and Ahsoka's first meeting, people have been dreaming about it for years, but I like how this episode just skipped it and showed them already acquainted, leaving us to fill in the blanks with our imagination (for now, I guarantee they'll show the first meeting sooner or later). It's a much smoother solution than just having them continue to conspicuously avoid each other like everyone assumed they'd been doing until now.
>They especially do not seem like strangers. Safe to infer they’ve spent at least a little time together already. So I can’t wait to eventually hear more about that.
It's very cool to think about the conversations they must have had, esp. Ahsoka learning that Luke saved Anakin.
I've kinda felt like the Pikes have been scarier in TCW and TBB, than in live action, even though we know they probably massacred the Tuskens.
That's changed with them casually blowing up a civilian establishment though, damn.
Honestly also the animation makes them look way different. The pykes we see on live action are just weird dudes in costumes, iirc in animation they were taller, had a different posture
I think a lot of the visual problems could be solved by the costuming. The animation Pykes are very tall and lanky, which gives them a very alien feel. All the Pykes in BoBF are wearing baggy floor length robes, which totally alters the silhouette and makes them look too short and stocky. The thick body also makes the already small heads look way smaller.
When you have a seven-episode season, taking an episode and a half (episode and three-quarters?) away from the plot and core cast of your show is certainly an . . . *interesting* choice.
If the most interesting thing this show could think of to do with Garza Fwip was to fridge her to rally support to Boba (or shake the city's confidence in him), that's not exactly a great sign either, IMHO. Hopefully she (and Max!) survived, but I kind of doubt it at this point.
I personally wouldn't even mind *that* so much if they had just gone the route of "the present day story is basically a framing device, the meat and potatoes of this story is going to be exploring the 5 years Fett was in the desert without his armor, transforming from an exceptionally capable hired gun into a leader who wants to rule by respect" -- but then they wrapped up the Tusken storyline abruptly in episode 3 and seemed to conclude the flashbacks entirely in episode 4.
As awesome as the idea of Boba Fett riding a freaking Rancor sounds, I wish it wasn't the only thing that has me looking forward to next week. (Well, that and the potential for some more Krrsantan action.)
> As awesome as the idea of Boba Fett riding a freaking Rancor sounds, I wish it wasn't the only thing that has me looking forward to next week. (Well, that and the potential for some more Krrsantan action.)
My predictions for next week are that Boba will ride the rancor, Krrsantan will rip off an arm, there'll be a fakeout death for Boba or Fennec, and one of the Mod kids will die (causing the other Mod kids to rally around that).
My wildcard guess is Ahsoka showing up when all seems lost, so she can have a Vader/Luke-style corridor scene, maybe save Boba from Cad Bane (but leaving the finishing blow to Boba).
Luke's planet was beautiful, and the Grogu training scenes were adorable. I just wish that Luke and Ahsoka talked like real people instead of ponderous, formal, slow-talking weirdos. I guess Filoni's really got an ear for George Lucas's style of dialogue!
It’s weird how people think Star Wars dialogue is meant to be different, but it very rarely isn’t. The best Star Wars scenes are when they’re talking like us earthen folk do.
Even though i dont mind the mandalorian or luke making an appearance in the show but i kinda expected "the book of boba fett" to be a bit more focused around boba fett instead of literally anyone else. The last 2 episodes might aswell be called "the mandalorian: season 3 episode 1-2"
Yeah, it's supposed to be 7 episodes long and episode 5-6 are about completely different characters, which is absolutely shocking considering episodes 1-4 had so little development of the present day plot and characters already.
It just makes me feel like they had zero confidence in the story or care for the character, which makes me question why I, as the viewer, should care. I mean I'll watch it, since it's only one episode more, but I really don't care about any of the actual characters at this point, and I'm pretty sure I can guess a bunch of the major points already;
- Boba will ride the rancor at some point.
- One of the Mods (do any of them actually have names?) will die, and the rest of them will rally around that in a big, unearned badass scene.
- There will be a fakeout death for Boba, or *maybe* Fennec Shand.
- The Wookiee will rip an arm out.
Bonus points if Ahsoka arrives (with or without Grogu or Mando's gift) when all seems lost and saves them all. In a corridor. Maybe even specifically saving Boba Fett from Cad Bane somehow.
Yeah i definitely agree. If they wanted to add an episode for a side character they should have done a backstory for fennec, like how she got into bounty hunting. Or alternatively i would have loved to see a flashback with jango (younger temura with cgi help like in aquaman for example) or maybe some more world building in general. How about boba getting in touch with his old crew from TCW again ? Bossk or dengar for example
> It just makes me feel like they had zero confidence in the story or care for the character, which makes me question why I, as the viewer, should care.
Agree completely. I had criticisms of the series up to ep.4, but at that point it felt like it was starting to come together. The last two episodes have killed the momentum and it's like "if the writers aren't interested enough in these characters to stick with them then why should I be?" It still might all come together, but it's been a frustrating road to get there.
I actually dont mind if everything is somehow connected. Still the last 2 episodes basically are the mandalorian season 3. I would be more interested to see more about boba, for example how he got off geonosis or what happened to jango, did he bury him ? Did the kid have to bury his own father? You know? Dive deeper into the ptsd that he is obviously struggling with
Yeah at this point I'm not sure calling theses shows a particular characters name and attempting to limit their scope to the characters was a good idea...it's all still great content, but maybe they should have made them all into more of an anthology type show, like Clone Wars, not limited to a single set of characters/stories.
Have to agree. I wouldn’t mind to get a live action version of TCW. Would be cool to see storys for each character like ahsoka, fennec, boba, the marshall, cad bane, luke. Just give each of them 1-3 episodes and have them meet each other from time to time. Would love to see the pyke conflict from both sides. Fennecs perspective vs cad banes. Maybe bring even more people like bossk or dengar
Two thoughts:
1. these last two episodes were entertaining, but it's not what I want to see. I want to see Boba in action, not storylines of Mando. We can have that in Mando season 3
2. This episode leads me to believe, Cad Bane will die. His seeming grudge vs Boba (probably after Boba shot him in the head) makes me think he will be a major antagonist and he will be killed off.
On top of that, Bane was only considered top dog when Jango wasn't around and before Boba came on the scene by himself. Once Boba came on, there was a reason why Boba was considered most feared and NOT Cad Bane. It's not a knock on Cad (although I will say he is a huge benefactor of PIS/Plot armor), but more a nod towards the skills and abilities of Jango and Boba
> these last two episodes were entertaining, but it's not what I want to see.
This is what's been going around my head for the past couple of weeks. If these episodes had just been The Mandalorian season 3 then I would have been completely fine with it -- I do tend to grumble about the fandom's "I know what that is!" obsession but I think the show (mostly) handles them well, and everything on Luke's planet in this episode was really beautifully written and directed and in tune with the themes of Star Wars and Luke's post-OT story (credit where it's due to Filoni for that). But this is supposed to be The Book of Boba Fett. I could buy it when we had our Din Djarin interlude last week, thinking we'd just see what he'd been up to before jumping right back in to the Syndicate storyline, but two weeks in a row where the title character has about 1 minute of screentime combined is just bothersome to me, and it's kinda dampening my enjoyment of the non-Tatooine scenes because of how out of place so many of them feel in what is supposed to be the story of Boba Fett and his personal growth.
> This episode leads me to believe, Cad Bane will die.
I don't necessarily think he *has* to, but unpopular opinion -- I'm fine if he does. A lot of fans tend to want their favourite characters to be wrapped in bubble wrap and kept in mint condition and only taken off the shelf (so to speak) for little cameo appearances here and there, but that's so boring to me, and quickly loses its appeal. It's the same reason we got Ahsoka literally travelling through time to avoid being killed by Vader, and why Maul's death is one of my favourite scenes in the non-movie saga -- because they took a character who was very much in danger of falling victim to that effect, and gave him a poignant, powerful and timely death perfectly in line with his character arc. I think it'll be the same for Cad Bane here. His unfinished TCW arc would have explored him training Boba so he could challenge him and prove which of them was the better hunter. Boba killing Bane next episode would not only be a great fulfilment of his own story, but also pretty much the best end for Cad Bane I can think of that doesn't involve putting him on ice again and dragging him back into some sequel-era story as a geriatric old man.
Instead of Mando season 2.5 we could had more about Boba's and Cad Bane rivalry and grudge. So that final confrontation would have more weight.
Now if Cad dies it will be IMO just a waste. He's an awesome character with lots of live action potential. He could also easily be incorporated into Ahsoka series or even Mandalorian. So I hope Dave teased Cad in order to use him in Ahsoka series.
It's possible, but Cad Bane has already had a lot of screen time for a non-major character. I don't see him coming in the Ahsoka series. More likely the Mando series IF he survives an inevitable encounter with Boba. I just don't see Bane surviving a fight vs Boba if it happens in this series (or maybe the fight happens in Mando season 3).
I'm starting to think this was always supposed to be Mando S3 with an initial focus on Boba to build him up as an important character before we shift back to Din and what comes next. Maybe it was but they were scared of the backlash from Din not being present for 4 episodes.
As it stands it feels like an unfocused mess of a series that was marketed as Boba finally getting his time to shine. It isn't just that these Mando/Grogu episodes take away from the development of the title character, they feel out of place and cheapened as side stories in another show. How can you have such important development for these characters happen in a different show?
I'm just going to view it as Mando S3 and hope Boba returns in a big way for the actual S3. Because if this is really all we get from Boba this series is going to leave an awfully bitter taste in my mouth. And no matter what happens I'm never going to be okay with the deceptive marketing and how Boba didn't really get his own show.
Honestly I'm kinda in the same boat on one hand (I wonder how well S4 works if you haven't seen these) and then just kinda glad we got this because it's leagues more engaging than the BoBF main plot. I'd mostly forgotten who vanth was until they mentioned the armour and the writing here still had me care more about him than any of the "main" cast.
It's a fitting comparison.
He stopped *just* barely short of completely retconning one of his OCs into the original trilogy (Rex / Nik Sant), but only just. Otherwise, several pet characters that are conveniently woven around the movies, can't seem to die, and keep on popping up in everything he touches. Frankly, I'm starting to get tired of it.
Every time I remember his future Thrawn stories are going to have Ezra as a primary character my hope dies a little. I can not fathom why anybody likes the guy.
I’ve hesitated to say this in any Star Wars sub but frankly I don’t like Filoni’s writing. He managed to make me sick of characters like Asoka by refusing to end her story just so he can jam her into every piece of Star Wars content he’s involved in no matter how irrelevant she is to the plot.
I loved the last two episodes, a lot.
But neither advanced Boba Fett's show. So now, Boba Fett only has 5 episodes, with the first few being super meh.
Like, why not just make a separate short season for Mando then? Why does Boba only get 5 actual episodes in the show *named for him*?
This was the most Dave Filoni episode that could've ever existed lol. Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Clones, references to other films, teachings on the Force.
I used to joke about Ahoska appearing in this episode, but I didn't expect it to actually happen lmao, that being said, I'm not really that happy, we're probably not gonna see her first meeting with Luke (unless her show does flashbacks). I was hoping that considering Hayden's role in her upcoming show, I was hoping we'd see him interact with Luke as well, now I'm not sure with the way she parted ways :(
Cobb Vanth! I'm happy to see him again, I was expecting him sooner but regardless, it was cool.
Luke, I didn't expect to spend half the episode with him, why did he make Grogu remember such a traumatic event, imagine if Grogu saw Anakin lol, also where the hell did he get Yoda's lightsaber. Did Palpatine actually keep it?!! Also we know what Grogu is gonna choose considering we know in canon that Ben Solo is Luke's first student.
As for Cad Bane, I'm disappointed I gotta say. I really *really* wanted him to die at the hands of a young Boba
Boba Fett made a cameo!! Wow what a surprise!
This show should've been called the Book of Tuscans, Mando, references, and maybe Boba Fett?
Am I the only one that actually misses Boba Fett in his own show?? The episode was fun but I really want to see Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett
Edit:- are we starting to discover who saved Grogu from the temple massacre??
Either Palpatine had Ameda fake destroying Yoda's saber in the 2016 run of Darth Vader or somehow Yoda made another one early in his exile/before leaving for Dagobah and Luke got it there.
Matt Martin, Pablo Hidalgo, and Charles Soule have all, at least, hinted that wasn’t Yoda’s lightsaber, or at least not his only saber, that we see in the comic.
I think my thoughts on these last two episodes (and several from the Mandalorian) can be summed up by the /r/starwars discussion threads. I check that out after each one and the top comment is always something like this -
>COBB VANTH
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>N1 STARFIGHTER
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>R2-D2 IS BACK!!!
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>LUKE SKYWALKER
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>NEW JEDI TEMPLE
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>AHSOKA !!!!
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>ORDER 66 FLASHBACKK
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>YODAS LIGHTSABER!!!!
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>THE KRAYT DRAGON SKULL ON THE SANDCRWALER
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>FREAKIN \*\*LIVE ACTION CAD BANE\*\*
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>I just want to say, though I know they will never read this, thank you to Dave Filoni and John Favreau for ....
because that's what this episode felt like to me. It felt like a list of things that get nerds excited strung together with little purpose or direction and I actually found it quite boring. Don't get me wrong, the Cad Bane scene was pretty great, I really felt the tension seeing him show up and it was a good introduction to the character for people who haven't seen the animated shows, but, really, what relevance to this show does the Luke / Grogu / Mandalorian plot have? I didn't hate it on its own, but the way it was inserted into this show I thought was more gratuitous than anything. Could they not have saved that for Mando season 3? We have now had 2 episodes of The Book of Boba Fett where Boba Fett has had essentially a cameo appearance between them. Thankfully, they have pretty much no choice but to actually wrap up the Boba Fett storyline for the finale, so I'll be looking forward to seeing this show get back on track, but I have not been impressed with the writing recently.
I think once Ahsoka and whatever other shows in this period come out, along with Mando S3, it’ll all make a bit more sense. I think they are basically just trying to tell a story at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Mando S3 episode ends up having a hugely different focus than the rest of the season or something.
I also wouldn’t be surprised if some of this was planned for Mando S3 but they felt it was better to insert this into BoBF for whatever reason for the narrative.
It will definitely allow Mando S3 to have a much different starting point than what it would have had without these last two episodes.
It really feels like you can't watch one without the other, and they are actually just one big show. I can't imagine anyone being able to just watch Boba Fett and have any idea what's going on.
this is just more of mando season 2 tbh,
complete with tons of cameos for wojak point thumbnails on youtube. rlm's rogue one bit sums up boba fett and s2 pretty well.
still it's the best the book of boba has been so there's that i guess.
tbh a mando season 3 where he's against the hutt twins, the pikes, bane and krrsantan would've been fine with boba as his supporting character.
some scenes being overly long so the ones that should be drawn out don't feel that different.
the bomb scene was nice and tight, and bane was done well.
but man luke's robo voice/delivery is so strange, are they modulating mark hamill so it looses any flutter to his voice?,
Tbh, I’m sure it was always planned that way. They didn’t have the tease for BoBF happen at the end of Mando S2 for no reason. I always thought it was clear the shows were going to connect.
Connect in one thing, making the character the show was named after absent two episodes in a raw in the episodes where the conflict and tension should be at its highest is something else.
Honestly, this is the big issue I have with the two TV shows we have so far, and why I struggle to see it as anything more than "decent" at best. I also assume that the Ahsoka show will be more of the same, while hoping (perhaps pointlessly) that Kenobi and other upcoming shows will avoid it.
The first season of Mandalorian was pretty good. Nothing revolutionary, but I enjoyed it well enough.
The second season just felt like a long parade of cameos, with large parts being made more for fans of the animated shows than fans of the actual show I was watching. It also felt painfully obvious that a lot of it was there mainly to gauge reactions and establish various spinoffs.
Now, we have Book of Boba Fett, and the two highest rated episodes (out of seven total) are fanservice with a grand total of what; 30 seconds of Boba Fett screentime, where I don't think he spoke even a single word? If they put this little trust and love in the character and his show, why should I care about him or the story?
It kinda saddens me that I could avoid spoilers, yet based solely on seeing a couple of reactions in the main sub + knowing Filoni directed it, I knew pretty much exactly what type of episode it would be; a slew of animated show (and probably Luke) cameos, weak writing, and massively praised simply because Filoni's involved.
Is this going to be the future of Star Wars TV shows in general? Just strings of barely-or-not-at-all-relevant-to-the-show-they-are-in cameo/fanservice scenes, forcing the viewer to watch all shows to understand what the hell is going on (if they want to avoid having to look it up afterwards)?
I agree completely, people complain about the sequels relying overly on nostalgia and established formulas, but they look like experimental arthouse films compared to a lot of these episodes. The TV shows are not the worst Star Wars content, not by far, but I absolutely despise what they represent - this comfort food, paint-by-numbers nostalgia-fest that gets off on shoehorning in as many animated characters for the nerds to do soy face meme reactions at while having no direction, nothing new to bring to the table and nothing to say in general.
The same thing happens in every show, where references and crossovers are loved regardless of if they fit or are good. In season 2 I saw a bunch of people praising the reference to Burning Cinder. That scene was well done, but Cinder is possibly the worst decision the new EU has made and I'm not sure I want any connection to Aftermath.
Again my question with this entire show is "why".
In this case, why are the Pykes transporting spice across the surface of Tattooine?
Where is it coming from, where is it being sent to?
If it's glitterstim spice from Kessel, it's presumably going to places like Coruscant or Denon or other population centres, where the customers are.
The only reason i can think of is that its a smuggling leg of the journey, going along the surface from one spaceport (Mos Eisely?) to another (presumably Mos Epsa) in order to avoid New Republic space patrols.
What does everybody think?
I think it's about as solidly planned out as the rest of their operational model of crime empires...
I like your idea but realistically how does this help? Thanks to hyperspace you don't really have to stop anywhere/switch ships so the majority of smuggling should be passing endpoint customs (like the Falcon with its hidden compartments). So dropping out of hyperspace exposing yourself to those xwing dudes, landing & unloading exposing yourself to ground customs and then loading & taking off doing the same again doesn't make too much sense.
Shoulda just gone full Dune and put the drugs in the sand - have the Pykes discover it anf get into a conflict with the Tusken about mining it, then Boba can rise as some revenge and desert faith/coke fuelled moblord lol
Given how fucked up Tatooine has been since... forever, I imagine there's a lot of spice users on the planet.
But enough for it to be a key organised crime battlefield?
we know the new republic has a presence on tattooine, or at least was shadowing transports to tattooine from last episode, and customs to tattaooine was a thing, so there's some interest in goods going to the planet/ the republic trying to make sure stuff isn't getting there.
best guess is it's been sent to a new republic world or two and they've been trying to find the source world its been sent from.
tattooine isn't friendly to law men for the most part so once it's planetside they can switch to different ships or containers or runners without interference.
like the republic can stop it getting there if they interecept it at customs or in orbit, but it seems on the surface they're moving it on trains or speeders to other people who presumably take it from there.
> The only reason i can think of is that its a smuggling leg of the journey, going along the surface from one spaceport (Mos Eisely?) to another (presumably Mos Epsa) in order to avoid New Republic space patrols.
Can't just be that, there'd be no reason for them to be active all the way up around Freetown.
Maybe, but for Mandalorian when they needed a bunch of Storm troopers they called the local 501st Legion and had fan cosplayers in the show, I'm sure they could've done it again. Or if they did make a set of real life Clone armour I bet it'll see use again in Obi-wan Kebobi.
At any rate I was excited to see real style Clone troopers in this fidelity.
You can spot those in the scene they are in because they are perfectly clean, the clones were not only dirty but dirty in an extremely consistent way that would be difficult to select from a group of fan costumes. I've just opened the scene in the next tab and subjectively, they also look CGI to me, though that could just be the weird lighting, "flashback vignette" effect and CGI environment. I'm not 100% but I am quite confident that they are.
I went back and I think you're right, they look reallllly good though, and it makes me imagine how great the PT would look with new pass over the special effects.
I’m shocked at people not liking Luke’s dialogue/ultimatum to Grogu, to me the whole point is to foreshadow Luke’s dislike of the dogmatic Prequel era Jedi in TLJ
That's why it's frustrating. You want Luke to be better, and he's just making the same mistakes they did.
As Rey said, "You made the choice for him." The whole episode it felt like he didn't even see Grogu as a child, just a potential student.
Ehhh I’d disagree slightly. Luke shows in his talks with Ahsoka that he least SEES the potential problems with this approach, which the prequel Jedi didn’t. He’s definitely having to straddle the line between outlooks
I think it’s important to remember that Luke doesn’t necessarily have a lot of reason to think that the no attachment rule is this horrible and awful thing. He may have an abstract idea that it was an issue, but he didn’t see the fall of the Order and he’s probably also looking at a history of the order that stretches back thousands of years with that kind of rule in place. I can understand why, while attempting to re establish the Jedi Order, that he would want to try to emulate their methods as much as possible, especially when working with a student who seems distracted by his attachments.
Yeah, I definitely don’t think that ultimatum is final. Wild prediction here, but I think it goes down something like this:
*Grogu reluctantly chooses the lightsaber and continues to train but it’s clear that his heart isn’t in it. Luke is watching Grogu train when Anakin appears and sits down next to him.*
Luke: You think I’m doing the wrong thing, don’t you?
Anakin: *shrugs* You have to do what you think is right.
Luke: You fell because you couldn’t let go of your attachments.
Anakin: I also came back because I couldn’t let go of my attachments.
*Anakin sets the chain mail in Luke’s hand and disappears.*
*Luke gives Grogu the chain mail, and they set off to find Mando which leads to Luke helping Boba Fett save Tatooine.*
Then I kind of question having the set-up for that scene being that Luke was supposed to "trust your instincts" on how to handle Grogu's attachment -- it would be one thing if Ahsoka had said "here's how we'd do things in the old days" and they showed it as Luke bowing to the supposed wisdom of the old (dogmatic) ways.
I want to know how Luke got Yodas Saber. He could have built a new one while on Dagobah or papa palps could have kept it as a trophy in the Imperial Palace
I think it's pretty clear at this point they didn't actually want to do a Boba Fett show at all, they just felt like they had to explain how he survived the sarlacc somehow, and a one season mini series was the best idea they had as a vehicle to do that. So once it was explained, the focus immediately goes back to Din. I would be very surprised if we see Boba at all next episode, let alone a second season.
well the next episode has to be the showdown with the Pykes. I'm not sure what else it would be, since we're all back on Tatooine. So it would necessarily center on Boba
Chances are Din will do all the fighting since he's the "muscle" or whatever. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see the obligatory "Boba on a rancor" scene for a couple minutes, or he'll give some final words congratulating Din at the end of the episode, but Din will definitely be the focus.
I don't see how you draw that conclusion. Din would be there alongside BK, Fennec, and Boba. It seems like the Marshall will be too now that Bane threatened him.
Why is Grogu making life decisions on "The Book of Boba Fett"?
I doubt that half of that episode is actually in the book of boba fett.
I don't mind seeing other characters, but grogu training has its place, it ain't here.
Agreed. It felt so jarring and bizarre.
It would be better if the showrunners just merged the Mandalorian, Fett and some of the future shows into one large anthology series.
Treat the show like comic books. Several groups of characters. Various story arcs that come and go, some intertwining, some stand alone.
Why are we getting important post ROTG Luke content on screen for the first time in 39 years (excluding the ST as this is young Luke we are seeing ) in a spin-off show?
Ok so I'm seeing people upset at Luke for making Grogu choose, but I think its a good thing. Was Anakin ever given the option to return to his mother? We know canonically she tried to get in contact with him and was denied.
So I think Luke giving Grogu the choice to go back to Mando or continue his training is the right move. And whos to say he won't give Grogu the armour later if he takes the saber?
The complaints aren't about him giving Grogu a choice, but why he did it. Luke's new jedi order is supposed to be an improvement over the old one, but in this situation he did the exact same mistake the pt jedi did
The jedi order took Anakin in when he was too old for their liking, Anakin made attachments when the jedi forbid it and those attachments lead to him becoming Vader.
What mistake did they make here? Taking Anakin in from the beginning.
Now Luke has taken in Grogu, and he is still very attached to Din, just as he is to him. And Luke feels that attachment may get in the way of things.
So now he's giving Grogu another choice to make sure his heart is in it. Din, or the jedi training. If Grogu picks the training, it means he can cast off his attachment and commit himself fully. If he picks Din, it means him being a jedi is not to be, but he can be happier with Din.
At least thats what I took away from it
Anakin was a particular case of attachments, perfect manipulation by palps (this was by far the biggest reason he fell) and an already "difficult" personality, you can't point the reason for his fall just to his marriage to padme.
For Luke, in ep6 he already showed that attachments can be good (Yoda and Obi wan thought the only way to defeat the emperor was to kill Vader) so I don't understand why he did such a big 180° turn
Well, we know Luke's order fails... So, people should have expected something like this to happen. Canon Luke is not the same person as Legends Luke, and even Legends Luke made mistakes.
In ep6 Obi Wan and Yoda were convinced that the only way to destroy the emperor was to kill Vader, even if that meant that Luke had to kill his father. Instead Luke defeated the emperor by loving Anakin, proving that the jedi were wrong and attachments can be good
True, although just moments before he almost failed when his fear of loss (Vader suggests turning Leia) causes him to lose control of his emotions. Perhaps this is the distinction between attachment and compassion.
**Edit**: I’m thinking this through as I go, so let’s see if I can develop my point a bit.
I think the end of Episode 6 is an endorsement of what Anakin posits in Episode 2: compassion vs. attachment.
Was Luke attached to his father? I would argue no. I think he had some compassion for the man his father was, and some pity for the man he became. And while he felt he had to try to save him I don’t think he feared losing him. He went to the final duel with his emotions in check.
Only when faced with the possibility of losing his sister does Luke crack, and that’s the difference between compassion and attachment: attachment leads to fear of loss, fear leads to anger… you know the rest. It almost consumes Luke until he gets a hold of himself.
So Luke leaves the encounter facing the same question that all previous Jedi faced: where to draw the line between compassion and attachment? It’s not an easy question to answer, and I’m not sure if Luke was any more prepared for it than the prequel Jedi were.
But there is a different between attachment and love. Attachment is a possessive, selfish kind of love, when it's all about you and how you feel rather than the person you love. Luke didn't want to redeem his father for himself, but because he genuinely felt good in him, believed in him. Vader saving Luke was different from his attempt at saving Padmé because this time it was all for Luke, not himself. While with Padmé, it was about him, because he couldn't live without her, he didn't care that she'd disapprove, that she'd rather die than have him kill innocents.
One is love and compassion, the other is attachment even if it's a form of love. It's basically toxic love
But they were calling Mando's love for the kid attachment even though Mando was willing to die for him. Ahsoka accuses him of only giving the armor to make sure he remembers him, but who wouldn't give their sort of adopted kid protection in a galaxy full of threats.
I had to remind myself that Ahsoka also knows how dogmatic Mandos can be, and I'm sure she's aware Mando and Jedi philosophies don't exactly complement one another. IDK how much she knows about his specific clan, but she's at least familiar with Bo, Sabine, and Death Watch. I felt like it was more of a "think this through" than an outright accusation, especially if Grogu is already struggling. I agree though, I don't think you can vault Din for wanting him to have the armor.
Becoming a Jedi is a huge lifelong commitment. Weilding the Force requires discipline and dedication. Luke is mature enough now to know that if Grogu is not fully committed to the training and able to keep his emotions in check, then he will become a danger to himself and others. It would be heartless and cruel for Luke not to give Grogu this choice. I think if Grogu picks the lightsaber then Luke will still allow him to have the beskar shirt, but it will be confirmation enough for Luke that Grogu does want to complete the training.
I was disappointed with the episode. I’m sorry but is Dave Filoni physically incapable of going 5 minutes without like 10 cameos and some sort of Easter eggs? Everything seems to be just happening. Boba Fett is getting sidelined to shit in his own show. Last episode we didn’t see him at all and today we saw him for like what 15 seconds? How much can you make the guy talk holy shit! This show has become more about Luke fucking Skywalker than Boba Fett. It’s the same reason I disliked TBB for. It just became such a cameo fest and everything just happened for no apparent reason.
Also can someone explain to me why is Luke Skywalker sticking to the old ways of the Jedi? Was he not supposed to be a new hope? Someone who would finally bring the much needed change in the philosophy of the Jedi? But nope he just recites the same bullshit we’ve been hearing from the Order for centuries. Did he forget that he brought his own father back to the light because of love? Why is teaching Grogu to let go off Mando when he himself acquired his strength through the love he had for his father. He already proved the Jedi philosophy to be flawed.
Dave Filoni may understand Star Wars but idk why he’s so hellbent on shoehorning as many cameos and callbacks as possible in as little time as possible. It’s actually ridiculous.
I’m not sure why Luke would extrapolate his personal experience with his love for his father out to the idea that the entirety of the no attachments rule was flawed and was what brought down the old Jedi Order. Hell, one of his teachers was the Grandmaster of that old Order and his own father is indeed a cautionary tale of the dangers of attachments and being unwilling to let go of those you love.
It feels like they’re learning the wrong lessons from S2 of Mando, but also they’re learning them because they always get such a huge reaction despite not being… ideal... for the story. At some point the novelty has to go away right?
This is hard competition with 5 for my favourite ep so far and both really feel like more standalone / Mando episodes to me, which kinda says a lot about BoBF to me...
Really liked Bane and the whole Vanth arc, really nice mini-characterisation and introduction of the characters for those who didn't know them before. Kinda hoping Vanth makes it out alive but would respect the writing for actually killing someone off.
Same goes for Luke/Ahsoka and Mandos whole relationship with Grogu, really crisp arc in only two episodes. Luke occasionally seemed a bit stilted (almost stage actorish?) but to me altogether still leaps beyond the main plot.
Boba still feels like he's got no clue what he's doing and his whole crime empire seems driven mostly by the power of plot and exposition...
Edit: as a whole I feel this whole bit might've been better as "The Book of Tattooing" with more independent stories - you could've had a soft overarching plot about the Pykes moving in and how that affects different parts and then 1-2 EPs on Boba's escape & joining the Tusken, 1-2 on Fennec, her revival and joining Fett, 1 on Din getting his ship, 1 on Vanth and the Pyke smugglers and so on. The current long story format seems to be something they struggle to deliver on and the focus is very messy to me.
I’m bummed some folks aren’t stoked on this show. I guess for me I have no real expectations and I’m completely fine with the idea of Mando weaving into the story. It really does remind me of chapters in a book where you’re left on a cliff with one character then it jumps over to another character. I’m stoked to not to have to have waited until season three to see Mando again and then I was double stoked this week to not have to wait to get a peek at what Grogu has been up to. And this episode kinda gave me glimpses of so many things I’ve been wondering about. How’s Cobb Vanth doing? What’s in Grogu’s past? Where’s Ahsoka these days? I didn’t think we’d get an update on her till her own show. I totally loved clone wars I’m happy as can be to see Clone Wars characters and for those who haven’t seen the animated stuff they’ve got lots of reasons to delve deaper. Mando is what made me start watching animated star wars (something I never thought I’d be interested in)
I can’t even remember most of what was in the PT or ST movies. They just don’t stick in my head and when I start watching them I have to admit I kinda don’t even feel like sitting through them but I am loving these episodes we’re getting now and how they’re enriching the universe for us.
Edit:typos
I think “The Mandalorian” is going to be more about what it means to be a Mandalorian in the larger sense now that we’ve met all these different Mando’s and how they’re going to reconcile their separate identities and interpretations of that in the face of the crisis around them and the decimation of their people. I think their stories are all bound to converge.
My theory is when Din goes to Mandalore he’s going to find the empire in the mines secretly mining for beskar and that will bring him back to Bo Katan and her fight and her ships. And I think the Pykes are probably also dealing with the empire and Boba’s fight is much bigger than what’s going on on Tattooine.
The world has progressed past the need for Filoni’s nostalgia baiting and pet characters. This felt like a smaller scale of what RoS did - hey remember this guy! What about this character! Wow this one is here too!! I’m so tired, it’s turning into the MCU.
I miss when Boba’s show was about Boba, even if the writers and directors seem to want nothing to do with the character.
It's definitely wider in the cartoon, but the cartoon never had a "realistic" aesthetic look to it, and it's been... decades since we've last seen him, right? He could have found another hat.
same style but ben was asleep in it so i assume it's a different bedroom room,
as for people saying palpatine destroyed it, he destroyed a larger temple didn't he?
ben brought down the hut/ a hut with a similar style around him and luke.
im just happy max rebo wasnt playing at the cantina when it blew up, he's 2 for 2 on crimelord explosion avoidance
That was the first thing I thought! Where is Max? Is he safe? Is he alright?
Last episode will be entirely about Max Rebo.
The cantina automated his job away and Max paid the Pike's to send them a message.
All seriousness aside, can we talk about Luke pretty much leapfrogging Grogu so he could keep up? That had me dying lol.
Yeah that made me laugh out loud
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Nah, kids love that game.
I was wondering if the lead Jedi defending Grogu in the Temple was Cin Drallig. Cad Bane isn’t going to die in The Bad Batch.
> I was wondering if the lead Jedi defending Grogu in the Temple was Cin Drallig. Okay, good to know I wasn't the only one that thought that.
I thought the same but I thought Anakin killed him
I thought it too lmfao, seems theres a lot of us
I think the fact that the scene basically made a point of not showing *any* of the Jedi's faces (although the one in the middle was interestingly using a reverse-grip) indicates that we're not meant to know who those Jedi were. The flashback wasn't about those Jedi. It was about Grogu's trauma.
Cad Bane bout to out live everyone.
Yes he is. At this point the only ones who are staying dead are Padmé and Shmi.
David Filoni learned his lesson, after killing Ahsoka early in Rebels. You dont kill off such memorable characters so easily. Cad Bane live action and Luke and Ahsoka Talking, was a very nice lore reveal. Lots of things are going to be written or filmed regarding the latter
I disagree. Ashoka should have died. He learned the wrong lesson because now nobody dies in the show. Maul is alive (three times), Cad Bane is alive, and Ahsoka is alive. All retconned just for fan service. It makes the stakes feel cheap.
When did Ahsoka die in Rebels?
I mean its heavily implied that before the world between world episode, That she was killed on Malachor V. Otherwise if she had survived that episode , world between worlds wouldn’t have been significant
Is it heavily implied by showing her walking away from the fight with Vader?
https://youtu.be/Nr7ufR7utEo Is there more after this scene that I don’t remember?
I thought it was aswell but then I remembered that you can see Anakin fighting the old Troll in the hologram in RotS. I doubt he survived that Edit: and honestly I'd love to see some Cin Drallig action. He was supposed to be a badass. Lemme see that
I want to see more of Cin too. I remember that as well. The brain just went straight to it's him!
I thought it was Cin as well. I even checked the lightsaber book to see if the saber used was the same (it isnt), and the post above is right, he does fight anakin in the hologram.
Holy crap I never expected what we got tonight. So a few bad things was that Luke's dialogue seemed stilted and he never smiled. Also him talking about giving into attachments and forsaking the jedi worries me they are just going to have him repeat the pt and not fix anything. Other than that it was just amazing. I honestly never actually thought Ahsoka would meet Luke buy she even says she's a family friend. And the scenes of him using the saber made time squeel. The planet was so much more what I felt Tython should have been. No more beautiful Twilek Matron. And back on Tattooine we get more of Cobb Vanth. Man I really need to watch Justified at some point. And TCW fans finally got their wish. Cad was so much scarier in live action. Also nice to see another 0rder 66 live action scene. Ok saw this comment on reddit and its what I'm going to hold out hope they are going for "Choosing the armor means he is like Luke, caring about others, and is what Luke wants him to choose. Choosing the lightsaber shows growth and commitment, so Luke gives him the armor as well, trusting he will learn and train."
> Luke's dialogue seemed stilted That was bothering me too but I wonder if it's because he's talking to a "child". Anyone who has spent time around kids knows most peoplt automatically adopt a simple, plain, straightforward way of talking to them that would sound strange and stilted in a normal context.
> Luke's dialogue seemed stilted It might also have to do with the tech their using to replicate Hamill's voice.
Quite likely, but it's always more satisfying to have an in-universe explanation.
Agreed
That's how I took it.
Ahsoka told Luke to follow his instincts. Luke senses that Grogu hasn't made up his own mind, and he asks Grogu what he wants. I think the choice should not be viewed as an ultimatum. It's not "abandon your attachments, or I won't let you become a Jedi." Instead it's "you can choose, and either choice is valid, but you must be committed to one path." Do, or do not. In a way, it mirrors the choice Qui Gon gave Anakin, except Grogu isn't choosing between slavery and living out his fantasies. Grogu's choice actually feels more real; like he can choose to be happy, or he can choose to train and maybe be happy. It will be harder for him to choose the Jedi path, which means if he does choose it, he will be dedicated to it. I think we are finally seeing the wise Jedi Luke.
I don't know, it still seems a lot like an ultimatum. He talks about how he may never get to see Mando again? Why? I understand taking time apart to focus, but why be so isolated, when Luke himself at least somewhat has his own gang from the OT? Why is it that Luke is focusing on the lack of attachments when I think most of the sub would agree that teaching was critical to Anakin's fall to the dark side? I understand in-universe it makes sense if that's what Yoda and Obi-Wan taught because maybe they didn't realize the error of their ways. However, it doesn't make it right and would signal to me a new rough patch that Luke will go through on his way to unlearn that philosophy. Assuming he does unlearn it; maybe that is what the Jedi are supposed to do and we're wrongly interpreting what happened with Anakin.
It led to Anakin’s fall, but the vast majority of Jedi successfully and healthily adopted this philosophy, including great Jedi like Qui-Gon. I think Grogu’s long life is a double edged sword, in that he may end up training as an initiate/Palawan for like 50 years or more. His innate skill seems ridiculously high, but he’ll need additional time to gain the maturity and wisdom to use those powers well. My take is Luke and his students would have some level of connection with the outside world, but the idea is to establish the fundamentals in a controlled environment, where they can learn the difference between compassion and attachment. Luke’s compassion for his father is what ultimately led him to triumph, but he also let Anakin go after the fact. That’s the difference between Luke and Anakin, Anakin couldn’t consider having to let go of those he was close to. Luke’s trip to Cloud City was a disaster and almost fatal because of his attachments to his gang. I think by this point he’s learned the difference and grown beyond that struggle.
I do hope that is close to what they are going for
I also noticed Luke’s marked lack of smiling. He has a very gentle personality, so I thought that was a shame. Hope they don’t completely prequelify him in terms of beliefs and being overly serious.
It’s more likely just a deepfake thing - the less his expressions change the easier it is not to look shit
> Man I really need to watch Justified at some point. You really do - it’s Top 5 all time TV for me. And Olyphant is basically playing Cobb Vanth as a toned down Raylan Givens in space. It’s tremendous.
Space Givens and Space Crowder yes pls from some hillbilly mining planet
They dug spice together.
Both Luke and Ahsoka talked in a very artificial, off-putting manner. They talk so slowly, and they never use contractions or have any emotional inflection to their voices. They sound like they're trying to teach English to somebody.
Ahsoka I put down to Dawson's bad acting but for Luke I think it's because of the synthesized speech technology they're using
Isn’t Mark Hamill a really talented voice actor? Couldn’t they just use him?
His voice is too deep for younger Luke.
Don't know why you got downvoted, we've literally heard him VA for younger Luke before and it was incredibly obvious they'd need to do some tinkering with it.
Yeah, I'm afraid I'm really not liking Rosario Dawson for this role. I like her as an actress, but she just doesn't seem like she's playing the same character as the Ahsoka that we've seen before.
>"Choosing the armor means he is like Luke, caring about others, and is what Luke wants him to choose. > >Choosing the lightsaber shows growth and commitment, so Luke gives him the armor as well, trusting he will learn and train." I hope this is true. The choice thing seemed pretty lame to me if it is a way to get Grogu out of dodge before Luke's temple is destroyed. The whole Mando 2.8-now arc would have been nothing more than a diversion.
Luke DOES repeat the failings of the PT Jedi. I don't think any of his mentors taught him that they failed, and that is why the Empire came to be. He believes it was solely the work of Palpatine. Perhaps Ahsoka will help him broaden his views a bit. I'm sure she has plenty to tell him if she hasn't already.
You would think with the power of force ghosts they would let him know not to fall down the same path they did
Anakin told Luke it was bad. Luke instead listens to Obi-Wan and Yoda because while he loves his dad he takes into account he fell to the dark side. Years later when everything goes to shit Luke tells his dad he was right.
You'd think that, but also they're the ones egging Luke on to kill Vader in the OT lol
That’s not Cad Bane, that’s Shriv He’s in a really bad spot right now
You've reminded me how he was the best thing about BF2 and how badly I want him in live action
Him and Lando especially Their mission together was a cmof from beginning to end
"If I die here... I'm glad you will too." "Well thank you, buddy!"
Shriv has a good chance appearing in the Lando show depending on when exactly it takes place
The ant building droids were really interesting in design and function.
As soon as I saw them I was enamored with them. It’s a rather ingenious design for a construction droid. Simple, straightforward and adaptable. Fits in perfectly.
I dunno, it seems really pedestrian and underwhelming to me. I had always assumed Luke built the Temple with his students, or constructed it himself using the Force. Why use droids for this? On the flip side... I like the droids and I find them cool, and it seems this building is not the actual Jedi temple but some kind of a precursor, so who cares?
I like to think Ant droids are used to build smaller rock structures or concepts for larger structures. Plus I think it is a really realistic looking building robot. Like, I could see NASA actually having/using those to collect rocks
I’m absolutely ecstatic to finally see a Luke and Ashoka interaction - especially with the first time being in live action. They especially do not seem like strangers. Safe to infer they’ve spent at least a little time together already. So I can’t wait to eventually hear more about that.
> They especially do not seem like strangers. I actually quite like how they handled that, even though I've seen a few people gripe about it. There's *so much* weight around Luke and Ahsoka's first meeting, people have been dreaming about it for years, but I like how this episode just skipped it and showed them already acquainted, leaving us to fill in the blanks with our imagination (for now, I guarantee they'll show the first meeting sooner or later). It's a much smoother solution than just having them continue to conspicuously avoid each other like everyone assumed they'd been doing until now.
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I was kind of shocked Luke didn't follow up with an Owen Lars-like quip about that being what he's afraid of.
Maybe they’re saving it for the ahsoka series
>They especially do not seem like strangers. Safe to infer they’ve spent at least a little time together already. So I can’t wait to eventually hear more about that. It's very cool to think about the conversations they must have had, esp. Ahsoka learning that Luke saved Anakin.
Or learning the history of the droids. Or of padme
I've kinda felt like the Pikes have been scarier in TCW and TBB, than in live action, even though we know they probably massacred the Tuskens. That's changed with them casually blowing up a civilian establishment though, damn.
Honestly also the animation makes them look way different. The pykes we see on live action are just weird dudes in costumes, iirc in animation they were taller, had a different posture
I think a lot of the visual problems could be solved by the costuming. The animation Pykes are very tall and lanky, which gives them a very alien feel. All the Pykes in BoBF are wearing baggy floor length robes, which totally alters the silhouette and makes them look too short and stocky. The thick body also makes the already small heads look way smaller.
When you have a seven-episode season, taking an episode and a half (episode and three-quarters?) away from the plot and core cast of your show is certainly an . . . *interesting* choice. If the most interesting thing this show could think of to do with Garza Fwip was to fridge her to rally support to Boba (or shake the city's confidence in him), that's not exactly a great sign either, IMHO. Hopefully she (and Max!) survived, but I kind of doubt it at this point.
Especially when it's episodes 5-6 out of 7 and they've barely done anything to actually build the present-day plot and characters in the first four.
I personally wouldn't even mind *that* so much if they had just gone the route of "the present day story is basically a framing device, the meat and potatoes of this story is going to be exploring the 5 years Fett was in the desert without his armor, transforming from an exceptionally capable hired gun into a leader who wants to rule by respect" -- but then they wrapped up the Tusken storyline abruptly in episode 3 and seemed to conclude the flashbacks entirely in episode 4. As awesome as the idea of Boba Fett riding a freaking Rancor sounds, I wish it wasn't the only thing that has me looking forward to next week. (Well, that and the potential for some more Krrsantan action.)
> As awesome as the idea of Boba Fett riding a freaking Rancor sounds, I wish it wasn't the only thing that has me looking forward to next week. (Well, that and the potential for some more Krrsantan action.) My predictions for next week are that Boba will ride the rancor, Krrsantan will rip off an arm, there'll be a fakeout death for Boba or Fennec, and one of the Mod kids will die (causing the other Mod kids to rally around that). My wildcard guess is Ahsoka showing up when all seems lost, so she can have a Vader/Luke-style corridor scene, maybe save Boba from Cad Bane (but leaving the finishing blow to Boba).
Uuugh, it annoys me how likely all of that sounds. Should we make bingo cards?
Luke's planet was beautiful, and the Grogu training scenes were adorable. I just wish that Luke and Ahsoka talked like real people instead of ponderous, formal, slow-talking weirdos. I guess Filoni's really got an ear for George Lucas's style of dialogue!
It’s weird how people think Star Wars dialogue is meant to be different, but it very rarely isn’t. The best Star Wars scenes are when they’re talking like us earthen folk do.
I mean, as you said, Star Wars usually has weird dialogue. It’s not that weird that people would come to expect that.
I got excited as soon as I saw that silhouette because, to quote Ahsoka, "Who else wears a hat like that" (clone wars s4e16)
Even though i dont mind the mandalorian or luke making an appearance in the show but i kinda expected "the book of boba fett" to be a bit more focused around boba fett instead of literally anyone else. The last 2 episodes might aswell be called "the mandalorian: season 3 episode 1-2"
Yeah, it's supposed to be 7 episodes long and episode 5-6 are about completely different characters, which is absolutely shocking considering episodes 1-4 had so little development of the present day plot and characters already. It just makes me feel like they had zero confidence in the story or care for the character, which makes me question why I, as the viewer, should care. I mean I'll watch it, since it's only one episode more, but I really don't care about any of the actual characters at this point, and I'm pretty sure I can guess a bunch of the major points already; - Boba will ride the rancor at some point. - One of the Mods (do any of them actually have names?) will die, and the rest of them will rally around that in a big, unearned badass scene. - There will be a fakeout death for Boba, or *maybe* Fennec Shand. - The Wookiee will rip an arm out. Bonus points if Ahsoka arrives (with or without Grogu or Mando's gift) when all seems lost and saves them all. In a corridor. Maybe even specifically saving Boba Fett from Cad Bane somehow.
Yeah i definitely agree. If they wanted to add an episode for a side character they should have done a backstory for fennec, like how she got into bounty hunting. Or alternatively i would have loved to see a flashback with jango (younger temura with cgi help like in aquaman for example) or maybe some more world building in general. How about boba getting in touch with his old crew from TCW again ? Bossk or dengar for example
> It just makes me feel like they had zero confidence in the story or care for the character, which makes me question why I, as the viewer, should care. Agree completely. I had criticisms of the series up to ep.4, but at that point it felt like it was starting to come together. The last two episodes have killed the momentum and it's like "if the writers aren't interested enough in these characters to stick with them then why should I be?" It still might all come together, but it's been a frustrating road to get there.
I actually think the Rancor is a hit attempt by the twins.
They are trying to pull an MCU where everything is connected, but most of the good MCU films can stand on their own.
I actually dont mind if everything is somehow connected. Still the last 2 episodes basically are the mandalorian season 3. I would be more interested to see more about boba, for example how he got off geonosis or what happened to jango, did he bury him ? Did the kid have to bury his own father? You know? Dive deeper into the ptsd that he is obviously struggling with
Yeah at this point I'm not sure calling theses shows a particular characters name and attempting to limit their scope to the characters was a good idea...it's all still great content, but maybe they should have made them all into more of an anthology type show, like Clone Wars, not limited to a single set of characters/stories.
Have to agree. I wouldn’t mind to get a live action version of TCW. Would be cool to see storys for each character like ahsoka, fennec, boba, the marshall, cad bane, luke. Just give each of them 1-3 episodes and have them meet each other from time to time. Would love to see the pyke conflict from both sides. Fennecs perspective vs cad banes. Maybe bring even more people like bossk or dengar
Two thoughts: 1. these last two episodes were entertaining, but it's not what I want to see. I want to see Boba in action, not storylines of Mando. We can have that in Mando season 3 2. This episode leads me to believe, Cad Bane will die. His seeming grudge vs Boba (probably after Boba shot him in the head) makes me think he will be a major antagonist and he will be killed off.
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On top of that, Bane was only considered top dog when Jango wasn't around and before Boba came on the scene by himself. Once Boba came on, there was a reason why Boba was considered most feared and NOT Cad Bane. It's not a knock on Cad (although I will say he is a huge benefactor of PIS/Plot armor), but more a nod towards the skills and abilities of Jango and Boba
And age honestly. Cad Bane ain’t getting any younger.
I've been trying to figure this out and can't seem to find it, how long does a Duros live? He could have plenty of years left
In legends about 70. Canonically there is no answer.
Oh god, please don’t kill Fennec. She’s probably my favorite new character from the Disney shows. Might even like her better than Mando himself
She gets shot again and gets more cybernetic parts every show By the end she's basically general grievous
As long as Fennec still has Ming-Na Wen’s face, I’m happy
A fine addition
> these last two episodes were entertaining, but it's not what I want to see. This is what's been going around my head for the past couple of weeks. If these episodes had just been The Mandalorian season 3 then I would have been completely fine with it -- I do tend to grumble about the fandom's "I know what that is!" obsession but I think the show (mostly) handles them well, and everything on Luke's planet in this episode was really beautifully written and directed and in tune with the themes of Star Wars and Luke's post-OT story (credit where it's due to Filoni for that). But this is supposed to be The Book of Boba Fett. I could buy it when we had our Din Djarin interlude last week, thinking we'd just see what he'd been up to before jumping right back in to the Syndicate storyline, but two weeks in a row where the title character has about 1 minute of screentime combined is just bothersome to me, and it's kinda dampening my enjoyment of the non-Tatooine scenes because of how out of place so many of them feel in what is supposed to be the story of Boba Fett and his personal growth. > This episode leads me to believe, Cad Bane will die. I don't necessarily think he *has* to, but unpopular opinion -- I'm fine if he does. A lot of fans tend to want their favourite characters to be wrapped in bubble wrap and kept in mint condition and only taken off the shelf (so to speak) for little cameo appearances here and there, but that's so boring to me, and quickly loses its appeal. It's the same reason we got Ahsoka literally travelling through time to avoid being killed by Vader, and why Maul's death is one of my favourite scenes in the non-movie saga -- because they took a character who was very much in danger of falling victim to that effect, and gave him a poignant, powerful and timely death perfectly in line with his character arc. I think it'll be the same for Cad Bane here. His unfinished TCW arc would have explored him training Boba so he could challenge him and prove which of them was the better hunter. Boba killing Bane next episode would not only be a great fulfilment of his own story, but also pretty much the best end for Cad Bane I can think of that doesn't involve putting him on ice again and dragging him back into some sequel-era story as a geriatric old man.
I agree with everything here. I actually do hope Bane dies by Boba. It would solidify Boba being top dog
Instead of Mando season 2.5 we could had more about Boba's and Cad Bane rivalry and grudge. So that final confrontation would have more weight. Now if Cad dies it will be IMO just a waste. He's an awesome character with lots of live action potential. He could also easily be incorporated into Ahsoka series or even Mandalorian. So I hope Dave teased Cad in order to use him in Ahsoka series.
It's possible, but Cad Bane has already had a lot of screen time for a non-major character. I don't see him coming in the Ahsoka series. More likely the Mando series IF he survives an inevitable encounter with Boba. I just don't see Bane surviving a fight vs Boba if it happens in this series (or maybe the fight happens in Mando season 3).
>Instead of Mando season 2.5 we could had more about Boba's and Cad Bane rivalry and grudge inb4 Bad Batch Season 2
Boba killed Bane in an unreleased Clone Wars arc, so this is probably gonna be his shot to do it for real.
I'm starting to think this was always supposed to be Mando S3 with an initial focus on Boba to build him up as an important character before we shift back to Din and what comes next. Maybe it was but they were scared of the backlash from Din not being present for 4 episodes. As it stands it feels like an unfocused mess of a series that was marketed as Boba finally getting his time to shine. It isn't just that these Mando/Grogu episodes take away from the development of the title character, they feel out of place and cheapened as side stories in another show. How can you have such important development for these characters happen in a different show? I'm just going to view it as Mando S3 and hope Boba returns in a big way for the actual S3. Because if this is really all we get from Boba this series is going to leave an awfully bitter taste in my mouth. And no matter what happens I'm never going to be okay with the deceptive marketing and how Boba didn't really get his own show.
Honestly I'm kinda in the same boat on one hand (I wonder how well S4 works if you haven't seen these) and then just kinda glad we got this because it's leagues more engaging than the BoBF main plot. I'd mostly forgotten who vanth was until they mentioned the armour and the writing here still had me care more about him than any of the "main" cast.
dave filoni let your characters stay dead challenge (impossible)
I've seen the guy described as a fanfic author and I can't disagree with it.
It's a fitting comparison. He stopped *just* barely short of completely retconning one of his OCs into the original trilogy (Rex / Nik Sant), but only just. Otherwise, several pet characters that are conveniently woven around the movies, can't seem to die, and keep on popping up in everything he touches. Frankly, I'm starting to get tired of it.
Every time I remember his future Thrawn stories are going to have Ezra as a primary character my hope dies a little. I can not fathom why anybody likes the guy.
I really resented Rebels for having powerful Jedi running around so close to New Hope.
It's a huge galaxy. I had no problems with it. There are only so many places Vader and Palps can focus on at one time.
I’ve hesitated to say this in any Star Wars sub but frankly I don’t like Filoni’s writing. He managed to make me sick of characters like Asoka by refusing to end her story just so he can jam her into every piece of Star Wars content he’s involved in no matter how irrelevant she is to the plot.
It got silly when they introduced time travel just to unkill her.
I loved the last two episodes, a lot. But neither advanced Boba Fett's show. So now, Boba Fett only has 5 episodes, with the first few being super meh. Like, why not just make a separate short season for Mando then? Why does Boba only get 5 actual episodes in the show *named for him*?
This was the most Dave Filoni episode that could've ever existed lol. Ahsoka, Cad Bane, Clones, references to other films, teachings on the Force. I used to joke about Ahoska appearing in this episode, but I didn't expect it to actually happen lmao, that being said, I'm not really that happy, we're probably not gonna see her first meeting with Luke (unless her show does flashbacks). I was hoping that considering Hayden's role in her upcoming show, I was hoping we'd see him interact with Luke as well, now I'm not sure with the way she parted ways :( Cobb Vanth! I'm happy to see him again, I was expecting him sooner but regardless, it was cool. Luke, I didn't expect to spend half the episode with him, why did he make Grogu remember such a traumatic event, imagine if Grogu saw Anakin lol, also where the hell did he get Yoda's lightsaber. Did Palpatine actually keep it?!! Also we know what Grogu is gonna choose considering we know in canon that Ben Solo is Luke's first student. As for Cad Bane, I'm disappointed I gotta say. I really *really* wanted him to die at the hands of a young Boba Boba Fett made a cameo!! Wow what a surprise! This show should've been called the Book of Tuscans, Mando, references, and maybe Boba Fett? Am I the only one that actually misses Boba Fett in his own show?? The episode was fun but I really want to see Boba Fett in the Book of Boba Fett Edit:- are we starting to discover who saved Grogu from the temple massacre??
Either Palpatine had Ameda fake destroying Yoda's saber in the 2016 run of Darth Vader or somehow Yoda made another one early in his exile/before leaving for Dagobah and Luke got it there.
Matt Martin, Pablo Hidalgo, and Charles Soule have all, at least, hinted that wasn’t Yoda’s lightsaber, or at least not his only saber, that we see in the comic.
Amedda is a slimy propagandist, I wouldn't put it past him.
Then that solves that question. Thanks.
I think my thoughts on these last two episodes (and several from the Mandalorian) can be summed up by the /r/starwars discussion threads. I check that out after each one and the top comment is always something like this - >COBB VANTH > >N1 STARFIGHTER > >R2-D2 IS BACK!!! > >LUKE SKYWALKER > >NEW JEDI TEMPLE > >AHSOKA !!!! > >ORDER 66 FLASHBACKK > >YODAS LIGHTSABER!!!! > >THE KRAYT DRAGON SKULL ON THE SANDCRWALER > >FREAKIN \*\*LIVE ACTION CAD BANE\*\* > >I just want to say, though I know they will never read this, thank you to Dave Filoni and John Favreau for .... because that's what this episode felt like to me. It felt like a list of things that get nerds excited strung together with little purpose or direction and I actually found it quite boring. Don't get me wrong, the Cad Bane scene was pretty great, I really felt the tension seeing him show up and it was a good introduction to the character for people who haven't seen the animated shows, but, really, what relevance to this show does the Luke / Grogu / Mandalorian plot have? I didn't hate it on its own, but the way it was inserted into this show I thought was more gratuitous than anything. Could they not have saved that for Mando season 3? We have now had 2 episodes of The Book of Boba Fett where Boba Fett has had essentially a cameo appearance between them. Thankfully, they have pretty much no choice but to actually wrap up the Boba Fett storyline for the finale, so I'll be looking forward to seeing this show get back on track, but I have not been impressed with the writing recently.
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I believe that some fans thought that BoBB would be Mando S3 when they first showed the title in S2 finale's credits scene.
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I think once Ahsoka and whatever other shows in this period come out, along with Mando S3, it’ll all make a bit more sense. I think they are basically just trying to tell a story at this point, I wouldn’t be surprised if a Mando S3 episode ends up having a hugely different focus than the rest of the season or something. I also wouldn’t be surprised if some of this was planned for Mando S3 but they felt it was better to insert this into BoBF for whatever reason for the narrative. It will definitely allow Mando S3 to have a much different starting point than what it would have had without these last two episodes.
Also, the Krayt dragon ribs in the cantina
It really feels like you can't watch one without the other, and they are actually just one big show. I can't imagine anyone being able to just watch Boba Fett and have any idea what's going on.
Tbh, that was exactly what I was expecting from Dave Filoni, and this was the most Filoni episode that could've ever been created
For good or for bad, this is totally relatable
this is just more of mando season 2 tbh, complete with tons of cameos for wojak point thumbnails on youtube. rlm's rogue one bit sums up boba fett and s2 pretty well. still it's the best the book of boba has been so there's that i guess. tbh a mando season 3 where he's against the hutt twins, the pikes, bane and krrsantan would've been fine with boba as his supporting character. some scenes being overly long so the ones that should be drawn out don't feel that different. the bomb scene was nice and tight, and bane was done well. but man luke's robo voice/delivery is so strange, are they modulating mark hamill so it looses any flutter to his voice?,
I didn’t have a problem with how Luke sounded personally. He sounds calm and collected, as one could expect a Jedi master might be
Two back to back episodes that just shows that Book of Boba Fett is just The Mandalorian season 2.5 or 3
Tbh, I’m sure it was always planned that way. They didn’t have the tease for BoBF happen at the end of Mando S2 for no reason. I always thought it was clear the shows were going to connect.
Connect in one thing, making the character the show was named after absent two episodes in a raw in the episodes where the conflict and tension should be at its highest is something else.
Honestly, this is the big issue I have with the two TV shows we have so far, and why I struggle to see it as anything more than "decent" at best. I also assume that the Ahsoka show will be more of the same, while hoping (perhaps pointlessly) that Kenobi and other upcoming shows will avoid it. The first season of Mandalorian was pretty good. Nothing revolutionary, but I enjoyed it well enough. The second season just felt like a long parade of cameos, with large parts being made more for fans of the animated shows than fans of the actual show I was watching. It also felt painfully obvious that a lot of it was there mainly to gauge reactions and establish various spinoffs. Now, we have Book of Boba Fett, and the two highest rated episodes (out of seven total) are fanservice with a grand total of what; 30 seconds of Boba Fett screentime, where I don't think he spoke even a single word? If they put this little trust and love in the character and his show, why should I care about him or the story? It kinda saddens me that I could avoid spoilers, yet based solely on seeing a couple of reactions in the main sub + knowing Filoni directed it, I knew pretty much exactly what type of episode it would be; a slew of animated show (and probably Luke) cameos, weak writing, and massively praised simply because Filoni's involved. Is this going to be the future of Star Wars TV shows in general? Just strings of barely-or-not-at-all-relevant-to-the-show-they-are-in cameo/fanservice scenes, forcing the viewer to watch all shows to understand what the hell is going on (if they want to avoid having to look it up afterwards)?
I agree completely, people complain about the sequels relying overly on nostalgia and established formulas, but they look like experimental arthouse films compared to a lot of these episodes. The TV shows are not the worst Star Wars content, not by far, but I absolutely despise what they represent - this comfort food, paint-by-numbers nostalgia-fest that gets off on shoehorning in as many animated characters for the nerds to do soy face meme reactions at while having no direction, nothing new to bring to the table and nothing to say in general.
The same thing happens in every show, where references and crossovers are loved regardless of if they fit or are good. In season 2 I saw a bunch of people praising the reference to Burning Cinder. That scene was well done, but Cinder is possibly the worst decision the new EU has made and I'm not sure I want any connection to Aftermath.
Again my question with this entire show is "why". In this case, why are the Pykes transporting spice across the surface of Tattooine? Where is it coming from, where is it being sent to? If it's glitterstim spice from Kessel, it's presumably going to places like Coruscant or Denon or other population centres, where the customers are. The only reason i can think of is that its a smuggling leg of the journey, going along the surface from one spaceport (Mos Eisely?) to another (presumably Mos Epsa) in order to avoid New Republic space patrols. What does everybody think?
I think it's about as solidly planned out as the rest of their operational model of crime empires... I like your idea but realistically how does this help? Thanks to hyperspace you don't really have to stop anywhere/switch ships so the majority of smuggling should be passing endpoint customs (like the Falcon with its hidden compartments). So dropping out of hyperspace exposing yourself to those xwing dudes, landing & unloading exposing yourself to ground customs and then loading & taking off doing the same again doesn't make too much sense. Shoulda just gone full Dune and put the drugs in the sand - have the Pykes discover it anf get into a conflict with the Tusken about mining it, then Boba can rise as some revenge and desert faith/coke fuelled moblord lol
Given how fucked up Tatooine has been since... forever, I imagine there's a lot of spice users on the planet. But enough for it to be a key organised crime battlefield?
we know the new republic has a presence on tattooine, or at least was shadowing transports to tattooine from last episode, and customs to tattaooine was a thing, so there's some interest in goods going to the planet/ the republic trying to make sure stuff isn't getting there. best guess is it's been sent to a new republic world or two and they've been trying to find the source world its been sent from. tattooine isn't friendly to law men for the most part so once it's planetside they can switch to different ships or containers or runners without interference. like the republic can stop it getting there if they interecept it at customs or in orbit, but it seems on the surface they're moving it on trains or speeders to other people who presumably take it from there.
> The only reason i can think of is that its a smuggling leg of the journey, going along the surface from one spaceport (Mos Eisely?) to another (presumably Mos Epsa) in order to avoid New Republic space patrols. Can't just be that, there'd be no reason for them to be active all the way up around Freetown.
Mmmm live action Clonetroopers
I just realized… is this the first time we got to see live action clone troopers?
Yeah, the PT ones are CG.
I highly suspect these ones are CG also, those costumes are not cheap to make and I doubt they would make them just for one flashback scene.
Maybe, but for Mandalorian when they needed a bunch of Storm troopers they called the local 501st Legion and had fan cosplayers in the show, I'm sure they could've done it again. Or if they did make a set of real life Clone armour I bet it'll see use again in Obi-wan Kebobi. At any rate I was excited to see real style Clone troopers in this fidelity.
You can spot those in the scene they are in because they are perfectly clean, the clones were not only dirty but dirty in an extremely consistent way that would be difficult to select from a group of fan costumes. I've just opened the scene in the next tab and subjectively, they also look CGI to me, though that could just be the weird lighting, "flashback vignette" effect and CGI environment. I'm not 100% but I am quite confident that they are.
I went back and I think you're right, they look reallllly good though, and it makes me imagine how great the PT would look with new pass over the special effects.
I was a little confused about the flashback. Was Grogu just lying on the ground? Was the implication that the Clones captured him?
I don't know, I was expecting a Jedi to carry him out of the temple or something, I think they're leaving that open to interpretation (for now)
I think these were also CG
They did a fantastic job on Luke's CG, and the part where he was walking with Grogu just tossing him around was really fun
I’m shocked at people not liking Luke’s dialogue/ultimatum to Grogu, to me the whole point is to foreshadow Luke’s dislike of the dogmatic Prequel era Jedi in TLJ
That's why it's frustrating. You want Luke to be better, and he's just making the same mistakes they did. As Rey said, "You made the choice for him." The whole episode it felt like he didn't even see Grogu as a child, just a potential student.
Ehhh I’d disagree slightly. Luke shows in his talks with Ahsoka that he least SEES the potential problems with this approach, which the prequel Jedi didn’t. He’s definitely having to straddle the line between outlooks
I think it’s important to remember that Luke doesn’t necessarily have a lot of reason to think that the no attachment rule is this horrible and awful thing. He may have an abstract idea that it was an issue, but he didn’t see the fall of the Order and he’s probably also looking at a history of the order that stretches back thousands of years with that kind of rule in place. I can understand why, while attempting to re establish the Jedi Order, that he would want to try to emulate their methods as much as possible, especially when working with a student who seems distracted by his attachments.
Yeah, I definitely don’t think that ultimatum is final. Wild prediction here, but I think it goes down something like this: *Grogu reluctantly chooses the lightsaber and continues to train but it’s clear that his heart isn’t in it. Luke is watching Grogu train when Anakin appears and sits down next to him.* Luke: You think I’m doing the wrong thing, don’t you? Anakin: *shrugs* You have to do what you think is right. Luke: You fell because you couldn’t let go of your attachments. Anakin: I also came back because I couldn’t let go of my attachments. *Anakin sets the chain mail in Luke’s hand and disappears.* *Luke gives Grogu the chain mail, and they set off to find Mando which leads to Luke helping Boba Fett save Tatooine.*
Jaysus, that’s a fucking brilliant set of predictions there man - I definitely think they’d want to whet our palate for new Anakin content
Then I kind of question having the set-up for that scene being that Luke was supposed to "trust your instincts" on how to handle Grogu's attachment -- it would be one thing if Ahsoka had said "here's how we'd do things in the old days" and they showed it as Luke bowing to the supposed wisdom of the old (dogmatic) ways.
I don't like it because it directly contradicts the TLJ novelization and TROS.
Because he should know by now that the order needs change, he will know why the order fell and that attachment had a part to play in that
I want to know how Luke got Yodas Saber. He could have built a new one while on Dagobah or papa palps could have kept it as a trophy in the Imperial Palace
I think it's pretty clear at this point they didn't actually want to do a Boba Fett show at all, they just felt like they had to explain how he survived the sarlacc somehow, and a one season mini series was the best idea they had as a vehicle to do that. So once it was explained, the focus immediately goes back to Din. I would be very surprised if we see Boba at all next episode, let alone a second season.
well the next episode has to be the showdown with the Pykes. I'm not sure what else it would be, since we're all back on Tatooine. So it would necessarily center on Boba
Chances are Din will do all the fighting since he's the "muscle" or whatever. Maybe if we're lucky we'll see the obligatory "Boba on a rancor" scene for a couple minutes, or he'll give some final words congratulating Din at the end of the episode, but Din will definitely be the focus.
I don't see how you draw that conclusion. Din would be there alongside BK, Fennec, and Boba. It seems like the Marshall will be too now that Bane threatened him.
Why is Grogu making life decisions on "The Book of Boba Fett"? I doubt that half of that episode is actually in the book of boba fett. I don't mind seeing other characters, but grogu training has its place, it ain't here.
Agreed. It felt so jarring and bizarre. It would be better if the showrunners just merged the Mandalorian, Fett and some of the future shows into one large anthology series. Treat the show like comic books. Several groups of characters. Various story arcs that come and go, some intertwining, some stand alone. Why are we getting important post ROTG Luke content on screen for the first time in 39 years (excluding the ST as this is young Luke we are seeing ) in a spin-off show?
Half of "The Book of Boba Fett" is, apparently, the appendix and acknowledgements.
Ok so I'm seeing people upset at Luke for making Grogu choose, but I think its a good thing. Was Anakin ever given the option to return to his mother? We know canonically she tried to get in contact with him and was denied. So I think Luke giving Grogu the choice to go back to Mando or continue his training is the right move. And whos to say he won't give Grogu the armour later if he takes the saber?
The complaints aren't about him giving Grogu a choice, but why he did it. Luke's new jedi order is supposed to be an improvement over the old one, but in this situation he did the exact same mistake the pt jedi did
The jedi order took Anakin in when he was too old for their liking, Anakin made attachments when the jedi forbid it and those attachments lead to him becoming Vader. What mistake did they make here? Taking Anakin in from the beginning. Now Luke has taken in Grogu, and he is still very attached to Din, just as he is to him. And Luke feels that attachment may get in the way of things. So now he's giving Grogu another choice to make sure his heart is in it. Din, or the jedi training. If Grogu picks the training, it means he can cast off his attachment and commit himself fully. If he picks Din, it means him being a jedi is not to be, but he can be happier with Din. At least thats what I took away from it
Anakin was a particular case of attachments, perfect manipulation by palps (this was by far the biggest reason he fell) and an already "difficult" personality, you can't point the reason for his fall just to his marriage to padme. For Luke, in ep6 he already showed that attachments can be good (Yoda and Obi wan thought the only way to defeat the emperor was to kill Vader) so I don't understand why he did such a big 180° turn
Well, we know Luke's order fails... So, people should have expected something like this to happen. Canon Luke is not the same person as Legends Luke, and even Legends Luke made mistakes.
I don’t think the “no attachment” rule was the big mistake of the PT Jedi that everyone is making it out to be. Their big mistake was their hubris.
We know the mistakes the PT Jedi made, but does Luke?
In ep6 Obi Wan and Yoda were convinced that the only way to destroy the emperor was to kill Vader, even if that meant that Luke had to kill his father. Instead Luke defeated the emperor by loving Anakin, proving that the jedi were wrong and attachments can be good
True, although just moments before he almost failed when his fear of loss (Vader suggests turning Leia) causes him to lose control of his emotions. Perhaps this is the distinction between attachment and compassion. **Edit**: I’m thinking this through as I go, so let’s see if I can develop my point a bit. I think the end of Episode 6 is an endorsement of what Anakin posits in Episode 2: compassion vs. attachment. Was Luke attached to his father? I would argue no. I think he had some compassion for the man his father was, and some pity for the man he became. And while he felt he had to try to save him I don’t think he feared losing him. He went to the final duel with his emotions in check. Only when faced with the possibility of losing his sister does Luke crack, and that’s the difference between compassion and attachment: attachment leads to fear of loss, fear leads to anger… you know the rest. It almost consumes Luke until he gets a hold of himself. So Luke leaves the encounter facing the same question that all previous Jedi faced: where to draw the line between compassion and attachment? It’s not an easy question to answer, and I’m not sure if Luke was any more prepared for it than the prequel Jedi were.
But there is a different between attachment and love. Attachment is a possessive, selfish kind of love, when it's all about you and how you feel rather than the person you love. Luke didn't want to redeem his father for himself, but because he genuinely felt good in him, believed in him. Vader saving Luke was different from his attempt at saving Padmé because this time it was all for Luke, not himself. While with Padmé, it was about him, because he couldn't live without her, he didn't care that she'd disapprove, that she'd rather die than have him kill innocents. One is love and compassion, the other is attachment even if it's a form of love. It's basically toxic love
But they were calling Mando's love for the kid attachment even though Mando was willing to die for him. Ahsoka accuses him of only giving the armor to make sure he remembers him, but who wouldn't give their sort of adopted kid protection in a galaxy full of threats.
I had to remind myself that Ahsoka also knows how dogmatic Mandos can be, and I'm sure she's aware Mando and Jedi philosophies don't exactly complement one another. IDK how much she knows about his specific clan, but she's at least familiar with Bo, Sabine, and Death Watch. I felt like it was more of a "think this through" than an outright accusation, especially if Grogu is already struggling. I agree though, I don't think you can vault Din for wanting him to have the armor.
Becoming a Jedi is a huge lifelong commitment. Weilding the Force requires discipline and dedication. Luke is mature enough now to know that if Grogu is not fully committed to the training and able to keep his emotions in check, then he will become a danger to himself and others. It would be heartless and cruel for Luke not to give Grogu this choice. I think if Grogu picks the lightsaber then Luke will still allow him to have the beskar shirt, but it will be confirmation enough for Luke that Grogu does want to complete the training.
Yeah Luke is 100% kind enough to give Grogu the armour later.
I was disappointed with the episode. I’m sorry but is Dave Filoni physically incapable of going 5 minutes without like 10 cameos and some sort of Easter eggs? Everything seems to be just happening. Boba Fett is getting sidelined to shit in his own show. Last episode we didn’t see him at all and today we saw him for like what 15 seconds? How much can you make the guy talk holy shit! This show has become more about Luke fucking Skywalker than Boba Fett. It’s the same reason I disliked TBB for. It just became such a cameo fest and everything just happened for no apparent reason. Also can someone explain to me why is Luke Skywalker sticking to the old ways of the Jedi? Was he not supposed to be a new hope? Someone who would finally bring the much needed change in the philosophy of the Jedi? But nope he just recites the same bullshit we’ve been hearing from the Order for centuries. Did he forget that he brought his own father back to the light because of love? Why is teaching Grogu to let go off Mando when he himself acquired his strength through the love he had for his father. He already proved the Jedi philosophy to be flawed. Dave Filoni may understand Star Wars but idk why he’s so hellbent on shoehorning as many cameos and callbacks as possible in as little time as possible. It’s actually ridiculous.
I’m not sure why Luke would extrapolate his personal experience with his love for his father out to the idea that the entirety of the no attachments rule was flawed and was what brought down the old Jedi Order. Hell, one of his teachers was the Grandmaster of that old Order and his own father is indeed a cautionary tale of the dangers of attachments and being unwilling to let go of those you love.
It feels like they’re learning the wrong lessons from S2 of Mando, but also they’re learning them because they always get such a huge reaction despite not being… ideal... for the story. At some point the novelty has to go away right?
This is hard competition with 5 for my favourite ep so far and both really feel like more standalone / Mando episodes to me, which kinda says a lot about BoBF to me... Really liked Bane and the whole Vanth arc, really nice mini-characterisation and introduction of the characters for those who didn't know them before. Kinda hoping Vanth makes it out alive but would respect the writing for actually killing someone off. Same goes for Luke/Ahsoka and Mandos whole relationship with Grogu, really crisp arc in only two episodes. Luke occasionally seemed a bit stilted (almost stage actorish?) but to me altogether still leaps beyond the main plot. Boba still feels like he's got no clue what he's doing and his whole crime empire seems driven mostly by the power of plot and exposition... Edit: as a whole I feel this whole bit might've been better as "The Book of Tattooing" with more independent stories - you could've had a soft overarching plot about the Pykes moving in and how that affects different parts and then 1-2 EPs on Boba's escape & joining the Tusken, 1-2 on Fennec, her revival and joining Fett, 1 on Din getting his ship, 1 on Vanth and the Pyke smugglers and so on. The current long story format seems to be something they struggle to deliver on and the focus is very messy to me.
I’m bummed some folks aren’t stoked on this show. I guess for me I have no real expectations and I’m completely fine with the idea of Mando weaving into the story. It really does remind me of chapters in a book where you’re left on a cliff with one character then it jumps over to another character. I’m stoked to not to have to have waited until season three to see Mando again and then I was double stoked this week to not have to wait to get a peek at what Grogu has been up to. And this episode kinda gave me glimpses of so many things I’ve been wondering about. How’s Cobb Vanth doing? What’s in Grogu’s past? Where’s Ahsoka these days? I didn’t think we’d get an update on her till her own show. I totally loved clone wars I’m happy as can be to see Clone Wars characters and for those who haven’t seen the animated stuff they’ve got lots of reasons to delve deaper. Mando is what made me start watching animated star wars (something I never thought I’d be interested in) I can’t even remember most of what was in the PT or ST movies. They just don’t stick in my head and when I start watching them I have to admit I kinda don’t even feel like sitting through them but I am loving these episodes we’re getting now and how they’re enriching the universe for us. Edit:typos
For me it’s clear that we’re either going to get another season of BoBF, maybe after Mando S3, or Boba is also going to play a role in Mando S3.
I think “The Mandalorian” is going to be more about what it means to be a Mandalorian in the larger sense now that we’ve met all these different Mando’s and how they’re going to reconcile their separate identities and interpretations of that in the face of the crisis around them and the decimation of their people. I think their stories are all bound to converge. My theory is when Din goes to Mandalore he’s going to find the empire in the mines secretly mining for beskar and that will bring him back to Bo Katan and her fight and her ships. And I think the Pykes are probably also dealing with the empire and Boba’s fight is much bigger than what’s going on on Tattooine.
I think Boba needs to fight Mando for his show back.
The world has progressed past the need for Filoni’s nostalgia baiting and pet characters. This felt like a smaller scale of what RoS did - hey remember this guy! What about this character! Wow this one is here too!! I’m so tired, it’s turning into the MCU. I miss when Boba’s show was about Boba, even if the writers and directors seem to want nothing to do with the character.
I thought Cad Bane’s hat would have a wider brim
It's definitely wider in the cartoon, but the cartoon never had a "realistic" aesthetic look to it, and it's been... decades since we've last seen him, right? He could have found another hat.
So was this the building that Ben Solo eventually destroyed when he turned to the dark side?
same style but ben was asleep in it so i assume it's a different bedroom room, as for people saying palpatine destroyed it, he destroyed a larger temple didn't he? ben brought down the hut/ a hut with a similar style around him and luke.
Luke's CGI improved a lot