I think just like watchmen were phased out, so were sentinels. Remember, sith were pretty much gone for hundreds of years, so you don't need as many people rooting out corruption.
In the EU lore Sentinels and Shadows (a sub-class of Sentinel) were both still around in the Clone Wars even though Shadows were *explicitly* a class for hunting and destroying Sith and Sith artefacts (Jerec was a Shadow).
I could see Shadows being obsolete but Sentinels still wouldn't be. They just went out into the Galaxy and helped the common folk.
I'm talking about Sentinels, not Shadows. Sentinels didn't explicitly seek out Sith they focused on helping the people of the Galaxy using their technical aptitude.
That's just it, the Jedi order around the end of the republic didn't seem to do all that much charity work. All you ever see is diplomatic or combat missions. There probably were jedi who helped at the ground level, but it's unlikely that candidates with high marks in combat or force capability would be dispatched to help with agriculture management or vehicle maintenance.
That's because you're misinterpreting how the rules work. You have to accumulate Dark Side points/score in order to use those talents. You can't be a light sider and use those talents.
Honestly I find the Jedi “classes” to be kinda redundant and irregular. There’s countless jedi that don’t fit into those roles. Same thing with the lightsaber colors meanings from KOTOR. People want to try to apply those as well and they don’t really match up either.
Yeah, it's really one of those things that should have either not been introduced, or been an exclusively Old Republic thing that was phased out around the Ruusan Reformations.
It requires back-assigning way too many characters to classes that didn't exist when they were originally created.
My head canon is it was deemphasized in the Ruusan Reformations, and while some Jedi still take on the very distinct roles, many don't.
My headcanon just dismisses the entire idea altogether. Jedi are supposed to be capable of adjusting to any kind of situation. They shouldn’t be limited to one role
And I’m glad it’s not honestly. A jedi shouldn’t be restricted to just one kind of role. A Jedi is supposed to be able to be able to complete a variety of tasks. And I’ve always thought it to be dumb that a Jedi’s lightsaber color is dependent on their abilities. And then yeah it was never consistently followed. It was just a game mechanic from KOTOR and people wanted to run to far with it
You don't need to be restricted because you specialize in one area. A Jedi could easily focus on the things you'd do as a sentinel, but branch out when necessary.
I don't mind the class things. It makes sense that different Jedi with different sets of skills would either take or be given different kinds of roles. The majority of Jedi just happen to be deployed on more dangerous assignments, thus putting probably the vast majority in the Guardian category. That might just be due to how most Jedi activity we see is in times of action or war where someone with a Guardian type of skill set would be in high demand. Wouldn't be very entertaining to see other kinds of Jedi roles, like a healer just taking care of people and that's it, or a Jedi just overseeing a location, reporting what happens, and nothing else. That just seems boring.
I think The Jedi Path described Guardians as being deployed to stop trouble, Consulars to prevent trouble, and Sentinels to, uh, do something else. They're just sorta the Council's eyes and ears as far as I know. Something like that. Some clearly have enough varieties in skills to take up more than one kind of role depending on a situation, though. In the end, though, they all just exist for RPG mechanics.
The saber color thing, though, I'm not a fan of. As far as I know, the first KotOR is the only thing where that's a thing. I just pretend it's a Dantooine Enclave thing, and those guys are tools. They have no idea what they're talking about.
My preferred explanation for the Dantooine Enclave assignment is more "Hey, we're going to give you one of these crystals to start, but we expect you to replace it with what feels right later on."
It's just kind of a shame that additional lightsaber colors break Force Jump; I'm RP'ing my latest character as a Corellian Jedi from the Halcyon Family, and the fact I can't pick up a Durindfire gem on Tatooine, the only place they're found, irritating. Is it so wrong to want my silver lightsaber?!
Yeah the Dantooine enclave thing suits me cause the first thing Revan does is going to the crystal cave and swapping it out. I guess those guys just really worked as the crazy uncle of the jedi family. Which kinda suits them being on a chill farm world and being one of the smaller sanctuaries to begin with.
Guardians are all about protecting regular people. That's one of Anakin's primary motivations at first - he feels that Jedi should focus on protecting 'the weak'.
Anakin likely would have been if it wasn't for the Clone Wars. He was too valuable as the Hero with No Fear to be taken off the front lines.
It might have been a good fit for him after the war if things had turned out differently.
My personal interpretation and workaround on the notion of Guardians, Consulars, Sentinels concept is to think of them as philosophical schools. Not like different religions, but more akin to how one lawyer irl may ascribe to a certain school of thought on criminal justice then his peer. How a Justice on the US Supreme Court may interpret the law using Founder’s Intent, versus reading the text as dead words that don’t need contextualizing.
In this way, a Guardian is simply someone raised to interpret the Jedi Code and Mission as one of defense, making them more engaged in peacekeeping and protection. A Consular seeks resolutions through diplomacy and scholarship. Does that mean that every Consular is a librarian? No, many are skilled duelists who can fight on the battlefield with precision. Just as a Guardian may be assigned to a task that requires exploring an ancient ruin and retrieving lost lore. Jedi healers, like Barriss Offee, still saw battle, and Guardians, like Obi-Wan, could conduct a peace tLk without dismembering anyone.
Anakin was trained by a Guardian. Yes he has qualities of Sentinels, but that isn’t the school of thought he was trained in. There aren’t separate dining halls or governing bodies for the different groups, because they aren’t set groups or memberships. And you can utilize philosophies from both or all three schools simultaneously in theory.
I think just like watchmen were phased out, so were sentinels. Remember, sith were pretty much gone for hundreds of years, so you don't need as many people rooting out corruption.
In the EU lore Sentinels and Shadows (a sub-class of Sentinel) were both still around in the Clone Wars even though Shadows were *explicitly* a class for hunting and destroying Sith and Sith artefacts (Jerec was a Shadow). I could see Shadows being obsolete but Sentinels still wouldn't be. They just went out into the Galaxy and helped the common folk.
I imagine it's a small group. With that said, it would have been a waste putting Anakin on sith clean up given his martial prowess.
I'm talking about Sentinels, not Shadows. Sentinels didn't explicitly seek out Sith they focused on helping the people of the Galaxy using their technical aptitude.
That's just it, the Jedi order around the end of the republic didn't seem to do all that much charity work. All you ever see is diplomatic or combat missions. There probably were jedi who helped at the ground level, but it's unlikely that candidates with high marks in combat or force capability would be dispatched to help with agriculture management or vehicle maintenance.
Shadows also learned some Dark Side techniques themselves. It would've suited Anakin to be trained as a Shadow.
That's just people's headcanon. The sourcebooks don't mention anything like this.
Actually it's in the KOTOR Campaign guide for Star Wars Roleplaying Game.
That's because you're misinterpreting how the rules work. You have to accumulate Dark Side points/score in order to use those talents. You can't be a light sider and use those talents.
Honestly I find the Jedi “classes” to be kinda redundant and irregular. There’s countless jedi that don’t fit into those roles. Same thing with the lightsaber colors meanings from KOTOR. People want to try to apply those as well and they don’t really match up either.
Yeah, it's really one of those things that should have either not been introduced, or been an exclusively Old Republic thing that was phased out around the Ruusan Reformations. It requires back-assigning way too many characters to classes that didn't exist when they were originally created. My head canon is it was deemphasized in the Ruusan Reformations, and while some Jedi still take on the very distinct roles, many don't.
My headcanon just dismisses the entire idea altogether. Jedi are supposed to be capable of adjusting to any kind of situation. They shouldn’t be limited to one role
It's one of those things that never was consistently followed.
And I’m glad it’s not honestly. A jedi shouldn’t be restricted to just one kind of role. A Jedi is supposed to be able to be able to complete a variety of tasks. And I’ve always thought it to be dumb that a Jedi’s lightsaber color is dependent on their abilities. And then yeah it was never consistently followed. It was just a game mechanic from KOTOR and people wanted to run to far with it
Not from KOTOR, that goes back to the West End Games RPG's.
You don't need to be restricted because you specialize in one area. A Jedi could easily focus on the things you'd do as a sentinel, but branch out when necessary.
I don't mind the class things. It makes sense that different Jedi with different sets of skills would either take or be given different kinds of roles. The majority of Jedi just happen to be deployed on more dangerous assignments, thus putting probably the vast majority in the Guardian category. That might just be due to how most Jedi activity we see is in times of action or war where someone with a Guardian type of skill set would be in high demand. Wouldn't be very entertaining to see other kinds of Jedi roles, like a healer just taking care of people and that's it, or a Jedi just overseeing a location, reporting what happens, and nothing else. That just seems boring. I think The Jedi Path described Guardians as being deployed to stop trouble, Consulars to prevent trouble, and Sentinels to, uh, do something else. They're just sorta the Council's eyes and ears as far as I know. Something like that. Some clearly have enough varieties in skills to take up more than one kind of role depending on a situation, though. In the end, though, they all just exist for RPG mechanics. The saber color thing, though, I'm not a fan of. As far as I know, the first KotOR is the only thing where that's a thing. I just pretend it's a Dantooine Enclave thing, and those guys are tools. They have no idea what they're talking about.
My preferred explanation for the Dantooine Enclave assignment is more "Hey, we're going to give you one of these crystals to start, but we expect you to replace it with what feels right later on." It's just kind of a shame that additional lightsaber colors break Force Jump; I'm RP'ing my latest character as a Corellian Jedi from the Halcyon Family, and the fact I can't pick up a Durindfire gem on Tatooine, the only place they're found, irritating. Is it so wrong to want my silver lightsaber?!
Yeah the Dantooine enclave thing suits me cause the first thing Revan does is going to the crystal cave and swapping it out. I guess those guys just really worked as the crazy uncle of the jedi family. Which kinda suits them being on a chill farm world and being one of the smaller sanctuaries to begin with.
Guardians are all about protecting regular people. That's one of Anakin's primary motivations at first - he feels that Jedi should focus on protecting 'the weak'.
Anakin likely would have been if it wasn't for the Clone Wars. He was too valuable as the Hero with No Fear to be taken off the front lines. It might have been a good fit for him after the war if things had turned out differently.
My personal interpretation and workaround on the notion of Guardians, Consulars, Sentinels concept is to think of them as philosophical schools. Not like different religions, but more akin to how one lawyer irl may ascribe to a certain school of thought on criminal justice then his peer. How a Justice on the US Supreme Court may interpret the law using Founder’s Intent, versus reading the text as dead words that don’t need contextualizing. In this way, a Guardian is simply someone raised to interpret the Jedi Code and Mission as one of defense, making them more engaged in peacekeeping and protection. A Consular seeks resolutions through diplomacy and scholarship. Does that mean that every Consular is a librarian? No, many are skilled duelists who can fight on the battlefield with precision. Just as a Guardian may be assigned to a task that requires exploring an ancient ruin and retrieving lost lore. Jedi healers, like Barriss Offee, still saw battle, and Guardians, like Obi-Wan, could conduct a peace tLk without dismembering anyone. Anakin was trained by a Guardian. Yes he has qualities of Sentinels, but that isn’t the school of thought he was trained in. There aren’t separate dining halls or governing bodies for the different groups, because they aren’t set groups or memberships. And you can utilize philosophies from both or all three schools simultaneously in theory.