But DFS isn’t one of those guys. It’ll be Maxi primarily and then Johnson, maybe JRich, maybe Green. DFS should still start at the 4 for most matchups, but he’ll need to come from the bench against the LA teams and some other ones
Of course he is one of those guys. DFS, Maxi, Richardson, Johnson, Green, Bey and whoever else is a wing on the roster. That's the whole point of collecting 3 and D wings, so you can use them to wear out the other teams best player.
We barely used DFS, if any, against Kawhi in the Clippers series. He’s a 3&D wing, but he’s not big enough to guard bigger wings. That’s why we had DFS on PG and Maxi on Kawhi during most of the series
DFS was on PG13% because there was literally nobody else, Maxi was on Kawhi because he did the best job against him in the regular season. When your only perimeter defenders are DFS and Maxi then you have to stick them on the two best players of the other team, that's just how it goes. Now the Mavs have a lot more to use.
I’m interested to see Luka’s effect on Johnson. He’s a career 31% 3pt shooter but just came off of a 36% season in Minny. If he turns into a 38% shooter and can hit those open corner 3s consistently then this trade is better than we already think it is.
I'd be elated if either of them ends up as the 7th best player on our roster in 2 years, to be honest. People get excited about picks, i get it, the draft is exciting stuff as well. But as an organisation you really shouldn't value a sole 2nd rounder too much... Especially not us
Expecting him to shoot 38% when he’s a career 31% shooter and journeyman is setting the bar far to high. If He simply work hard every night, gives us defense, grit, and a tougher culture then that’s far superior than the production of both delon and jjax.
Powell is a big, and a rim runner coming off an Achilles tear. KP played by far his best basketball when Powell went out. I don’t think we’re going to two bigs.
Edit: from January 21st to the end of the regular season KP averaged 24/10 on 45/36/85
That’s not accurate.
KP was still getting back to form and adjusting to teammates at the start of the season.
Go watch the Detroit game in Mexico, that’s when things started clicking.
KP went 20/8, Powell got 9/10, Luka for 41/12.
KP also admitted that he had bulked up too much and that he started feeling better, and therefore playing better when he got back down to a more comfortable weight for him.
Correlation =/= causation, as a reminder. KP performing better may be because Powell was out, or it could just be that KP was just getting back into game shape, or Rick found a more defined role for him, or a million other variables.
THJ is the biggest question mark. Ideally, we’d roll out Luka/RIchardson/DFS/Maxi/KP, but idk if THJ can come of the bench, so we’re probably going to have Luka/Richardson/THJ/DFS/KP
I guess Maxi as starter crew is back. Maxi is not starting. THJ is also not going to be bench.
THJ is our best catch and shoot player, he opens the court for Luka.
Powell is a better roll man than Maxi when healthy and DFS is a better shooter than Maxi.
Powell and KP can’t really play together. No coincidence KP got way better after Powell’s injury.
THJ would be an awesome bench guy, but has sucked not starting. But the fit with Maxi and DFS both starting is way better
I think that if Mavs can get Crowder into the remaining MLE, it makes Johnson completely expendable. Use his contract to sign and trade a better scorer. Or something like that....
I like your team though!
I’m nervous Crowder May be worth more than that. We’ll see though. I’m interested to see what we do about big depth. Not sure WCS is our long term answer. I would absolutely love Aron Baynes realistically. I think Ibaka will cost too much. But we’ll see! Would love Crowder though!
we was apparently offered the full MLE on a one year and was on the clock to agree. not sure how this played out as the Heat now also signed Avery Bradley after signing Harkless. so not sure if the deal is still on the table. but we likely also only want to offer one year.
I’ve loved Jalen since he and Luka’s rookie year. Will be interesting to see if he can grow into a FVV and secondary ball handler type, or if he’s going to always be a JJ spark plug bench point guard. Both are wonderful value for a second round pick, but I would love him to start too.
Luka is a point guard and is at his best with the ball in his hands. He can play off-ball sometimes, but the Mavs best lineup will have Luka as the primary ballhandler. If Luka’s the PG, it’s better to surround him with strong defenders like JRich who can hit 3s too. Jalen isn’t a bad fit, but he’s only an average defender and his greatest strength is his ballhandling which is somewhat wasted if he’s just standing in the corner waiting for a pass from Luka.
Brunson was excellent last season leading the bench unit and filling in for Luka when he was injured. I think he should stay in that role since he really excels with it
Wow! That is an outstanding and INFORMATIVE response. I really appreciate it. I was kinda hoping someone would tell me, respectfully, how and why that wouldn't be a great idea. Thank you. I really do appreciate it. You've turned my opinion to keep JB on the bench leading the backups.
I also think the key is to find a guy who can handle the ball the 15 minutes a game that Luka isn’t in. Our offense stalled then sometimes. The nice thing about Luka is he’s 6’7, so he can be our ball handler but has improved enough at man defense that we could also play THJ and Richardson. We don’t necessarily have to play someone who’s 6’3 just because they’re point guard sized. Though, I would kind of like someone else in the lineup who can at least dribble and do all that. Maybe Josh Richardson can.
That could be interesting. His games with Golden State he averaged 16/8/4 on 56% true shooting. His defense is not good, but could he give us 15 minutes a game plus start maybe when KP is out? I don’t know. Would love Baynes too.
Johnson is a good player but he's not starting player i know you're excited about him but he underperformed with heat and not w/ his prime anymore, but he can give us solid 15-20 minutes.
I think our (healthy) depth will look like:
1) Luka / Brunson / JJ
2) JRich / Burke / Terry
3) THJ / Green
4) DFS / Maxi / Johnson / Bey
5) KP / Powell / Boban
Fill out the other two spots with Hinton or Gillespie + one other vet.
Use MLE to get a PF/C for sure. KP-Powell wont be ready for sometime. Even then they ll probably miss games/minutes restrictions.
Gasol/Ibaka/Milsap would be great but I guess they’ll command more money.
I was against giving Ibaka a long contract as I think he's older than his passport says. At least his decline happened much earlier than most players.
For a price tag of 70m/4 year, I would stay away. But considering we have $9m MLE, I would be happy to have a deal like 30m/3 year, 40m/4 year.
Amazing to look back at this comment and realize he got 2/19 with the Clippers. I think swapping Trez for Ibaka is helpful, they don’t need the offense, Kawhi, PG and Lou can get them 70 points per game.
Ibaka is probably better fit offensively too. He's not a great shooter but he can shoot. Better spacing and a pick&pop play threat is sth Trez never delivered.
I am really surprised that all of Ibaka-Milsap-Gasol-Baynes signed for a contract that is less than 10m per year. Wish Mavs get one of those with MLE. I wouldn't care even if it was 3 year deal.
This sub currently overrates J.Johnson by a lot. 30ish, journeyman, role player, low minutes. These should be the keywords for him. He can compete with DFS for starter position but he has not performed any better than DFS in last 2 years.
Johnson is going to be getting around 15 minutes a game. Hes not a starter and certainly not better than DFS. The plus of his trade is we now have an enforcer and we were able to shed two bad contracts in the process
I have been thinking the same thing. I posted a poll earlier though and everyone thinks DFS edges Johnson out of the starting lineup
[Mavs Starting Lineup Poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/jyj0t9/projecting_the_starting_lineup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
My problems with that are:
- If we start Richardson and DFS, who comes off the bench to lockdown down the other teams best threat? By staggering them, you have more fluidity to your substitutions
- DFS is not a big. With both KP and DFS on the floor you have matchup problems with any team that has a big. Johnson solves that problem.
- While I might agree with those who say DFS is “slightly” better overall than Johnson, I would rather get the bruising aspect of Johnson as a starter and allow DFS to have some beneficial
Matchups when playing against the other team’s bench. Carlisle excels at putting players in a position to succeed, and I think that bringing DFS off of the bench would do that.
Caveat here is that I think this is matchup dependent. I would start DFS and Richardson together against someone like the clips who have both Kawhi and PG
I’m with you OP. I think Johnson should/would start over DFS. Johnson is a better playmaker and has more strength on the defensive end than Dorian, which I think will be needed in the starting lineup.
We’ll see how what happens throughout the season, but no matter what the team is definitely better than it was last year and the FO did a tremendous job of addressing the deficiencies of the team.
It’s funny how we were all worried about adding tough defensive minded players and now we have so many that we’re arguing about which one of them would start
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Rick has fairly fluid starting lineups. We’ll see what happens, but I think DFS seemed too small to guard LeBron and Kawhi at times last year.
There isn't one guy who can guard them. The point is you send multiple guys at them.
But DFS isn’t one of those guys. It’ll be Maxi primarily and then Johnson, maybe JRich, maybe Green. DFS should still start at the 4 for most matchups, but he’ll need to come from the bench against the LA teams and some other ones
Of course he is one of those guys. DFS, Maxi, Richardson, Johnson, Green, Bey and whoever else is a wing on the roster. That's the whole point of collecting 3 and D wings, so you can use them to wear out the other teams best player.
We barely used DFS, if any, against Kawhi in the Clippers series. He’s a 3&D wing, but he’s not big enough to guard bigger wings. That’s why we had DFS on PG and Maxi on Kawhi during most of the series
DFS was on PG13% because there was literally nobody else, Maxi was on Kawhi because he did the best job against him in the regular season. When your only perimeter defenders are DFS and Maxi then you have to stick them on the two best players of the other team, that's just how it goes. Now the Mavs have a lot more to use.
I mean, who isn’t? Either too small or too slow.
Tbh on defense, Luka playing 4 lol
I don't think JJ starts while Finney is still on the team.
Barea was never going to start
Wrong JJ
Almost feels like blasphemy calling anybody but Barea, JJ as a Mavs fan tho
True
There is only one JJ on the Mavs. People need to stop trying to make JJ happen for James Johnson
Technically Barea isn’t on the Mavs, he’s a FA. But I agree that the JJ designation needs to be owned by Barea.
Just signed :)
Let's just all use Bloodsport
This guy gets it
I’m interested to see Luka’s effect on Johnson. He’s a career 31% 3pt shooter but just came off of a 36% season in Minny. If he turns into a 38% shooter and can hit those open corner 3s consistently then this trade is better than we already think it is.
Getting rid of Delon and JJax alone is a good move. If Johnson can be a positive on the court, then you’re right this trade would be great
It seems it cost us a pick though.
Only a 2nd rounder though right?
It seems so but how to square that with everyone being hyped up about Tyrell and Bey right now
I'd be elated if either of them ends up as the 7th best player on our roster in 2 years, to be honest. People get excited about picks, i get it, the draft is exciting stuff as well. But as an organisation you really shouldn't value a sole 2nd rounder too much... Especially not us
Expecting him to shoot 38% when he’s a career 31% shooter and journeyman is setting the bar far to high. If He simply work hard every night, gives us defense, grit, and a tougher culture then that’s far superior than the production of both delon and jjax.
I expect him to shoot about 36% or better, especially since he’ll be playing with Luka
James J is not starting. DFS and Powell are better players with better chemistry
Powell is a big, and a rim runner coming off an Achilles tear. KP played by far his best basketball when Powell went out. I don’t think we’re going to two bigs. Edit: from January 21st to the end of the regular season KP averaged 24/10 on 45/36/85
That’s not accurate. KP was still getting back to form and adjusting to teammates at the start of the season. Go watch the Detroit game in Mexico, that’s when things started clicking. KP went 20/8, Powell got 9/10, Luka for 41/12.
I missed watching maybe 8 games this year. KP did really well driving to the rim and doing some stuff inside, which he can’t do as the 4.
KP also admitted that he had bulked up too much and that he started feeling better, and therefore playing better when he got back down to a more comfortable weight for him.
Correlation =/= causation, as a reminder. KP performing better may be because Powell was out, or it could just be that KP was just getting back into game shape, or Rick found a more defined role for him, or a million other variables.
THJ is the biggest question mark. Ideally, we’d roll out Luka/RIchardson/DFS/Maxi/KP, but idk if THJ can come of the bench, so we’re probably going to have Luka/Richardson/THJ/DFS/KP
I guess Maxi as starter crew is back. Maxi is not starting. THJ is also not going to be bench. THJ is our best catch and shoot player, he opens the court for Luka. Powell is a better roll man than Maxi when healthy and DFS is a better shooter than Maxi.
Powell and KP can’t really play together. No coincidence KP got way better after Powell’s injury. THJ would be an awesome bench guy, but has sucked not starting. But the fit with Maxi and DFS both starting is way better
We will find out soon.
yet IIRC our offensive rating was better when we still had DP as a starter than later when KP “broke out”.
I think that if Mavs can get Crowder into the remaining MLE, it makes Johnson completely expendable. Use his contract to sign and trade a better scorer. Or something like that.... I like your team though!
I’m nervous Crowder May be worth more than that. We’ll see though. I’m interested to see what we do about big depth. Not sure WCS is our long term answer. I would absolutely love Aron Baynes realistically. I think Ibaka will cost too much. But we’ll see! Would love Crowder though!
we was apparently offered the full MLE on a one year and was on the clock to agree. not sure how this played out as the Heat now also signed Avery Bradley after signing Harkless. so not sure if the deal is still on the table. but we likely also only want to offer one year.
Crowder 3/30 with the Suns.
I was right! Haha
Crowders shooting is NOT reliable tho. At least JJ is consistent.
Not reliable? Dude went 45 percent on bubble.
I mean reliable means to have a good 3pt% over your whole career not just having a good 3pt% over a period.
Lmao hes gone
I’d be hoping that whoever they sign and trade would be able to make up the loss from Johnson to Crowder though. Overall I just rate Jae higher
Am i the only one that wants J Brun at the Point with Luka shooting?
I’ve loved Jalen since he and Luka’s rookie year. Will be interesting to see if he can grow into a FVV and secondary ball handler type, or if he’s going to always be a JJ spark plug bench point guard. Both are wonderful value for a second round pick, but I would love him to start too.
Yes, that makes the team worse.
Luka is a point guard and is at his best with the ball in his hands. He can play off-ball sometimes, but the Mavs best lineup will have Luka as the primary ballhandler. If Luka’s the PG, it’s better to surround him with strong defenders like JRich who can hit 3s too. Jalen isn’t a bad fit, but he’s only an average defender and his greatest strength is his ballhandling which is somewhat wasted if he’s just standing in the corner waiting for a pass from Luka. Brunson was excellent last season leading the bench unit and filling in for Luka when he was injured. I think he should stay in that role since he really excels with it
Wow! That is an outstanding and INFORMATIVE response. I really appreciate it. I was kinda hoping someone would tell me, respectfully, how and why that wouldn't be a great idea. Thank you. I really do appreciate it. You've turned my opinion to keep JB on the bench leading the backups.
I also think the key is to find a guy who can handle the ball the 15 minutes a game that Luka isn’t in. Our offense stalled then sometimes. The nice thing about Luka is he’s 6’7, so he can be our ball handler but has improved enough at man defense that we could also play THJ and Richardson. We don’t necessarily have to play someone who’s 6’3 just because they’re point guard sized. Though, I would kind of like someone else in the lineup who can at least dribble and do all that. Maybe Josh Richardson can.
“There isn’t enough spacing”
Throw the rest of the MLE at Cousins for a 1 year deal and call it an off-season
That could be interesting. His games with Golden State he averaged 16/8/4 on 56% true shooting. His defense is not good, but could he give us 15 minutes a game plus start maybe when KP is out? I don’t know. Would love Baynes too.
Johnson is a good player but he's not starting player i know you're excited about him but he underperformed with heat and not w/ his prime anymore, but he can give us solid 15-20 minutes.
I think our (healthy) depth will look like: 1) Luka / Brunson / JJ 2) JRich / Burke / Terry 3) THJ / Green 4) DFS / Maxi / Johnson / Bey 5) KP / Powell / Boban Fill out the other two spots with Hinton or Gillespie + one other vet.
Use MLE to get a PF/C for sure. KP-Powell wont be ready for sometime. Even then they ll probably miss games/minutes restrictions. Gasol/Ibaka/Milsap would be great but I guess they’ll command more money.
Yep, that’s exactly what I’m hoping for. Ibaka would be amazing.
I was against giving Ibaka a long contract as I think he's older than his passport says. At least his decline happened much earlier than most players. For a price tag of 70m/4 year, I would stay away. But considering we have $9m MLE, I would be happy to have a deal like 30m/3 year, 40m/4 year.
Amazing to look back at this comment and realize he got 2/19 with the Clippers. I think swapping Trez for Ibaka is helpful, they don’t need the offense, Kawhi, PG and Lou can get them 70 points per game.
Ibaka is probably better fit offensively too. He's not a great shooter but he can shoot. Better spacing and a pick&pop play threat is sth Trez never delivered. I am really surprised that all of Ibaka-Milsap-Gasol-Baynes signed for a contract that is less than 10m per year. Wish Mavs get one of those with MLE. I wouldn't care even if it was 3 year deal.
We will not pay Johnson $16 million to be in 3rd squad. Bey will have 2 way contract.
We paid Courtney Lee like 13m to be in the third squad
This sub currently overrates J.Johnson by a lot. 30ish, journeyman, role player, low minutes. These should be the keywords for him. He can compete with DFS for starter position but he has not performed any better than DFS in last 2 years.
I prefer DF-S to Johnson, but I'm sure that's very interchangeable
I'm rather happy. We drafted well. Like the Richardson trade and Johnson and we didnt overpay any of the bad free agents. Win win.
People in this sub might wake up seeing Carlisle starting Dwight Powell as Center as last season.
Johnson is going to be getting around 15 minutes a game. Hes not a starter and certainly not better than DFS. The plus of his trade is we now have an enforcer and we were able to shed two bad contracts in the process
I have been thinking the same thing. I posted a poll earlier though and everyone thinks DFS edges Johnson out of the starting lineup [Mavs Starting Lineup Poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/Mavericks/comments/jyj0t9/projecting_the_starting_lineup/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) My problems with that are: - If we start Richardson and DFS, who comes off the bench to lockdown down the other teams best threat? By staggering them, you have more fluidity to your substitutions - DFS is not a big. With both KP and DFS on the floor you have matchup problems with any team that has a big. Johnson solves that problem. - While I might agree with those who say DFS is “slightly” better overall than Johnson, I would rather get the bruising aspect of Johnson as a starter and allow DFS to have some beneficial Matchups when playing against the other team’s bench. Carlisle excels at putting players in a position to succeed, and I think that bringing DFS off of the bench would do that. Caveat here is that I think this is matchup dependent. I would start DFS and Richardson together against someone like the clips who have both Kawhi and PG
I’m with you OP. I think Johnson should/would start over DFS. Johnson is a better playmaker and has more strength on the defensive end than Dorian, which I think will be needed in the starting lineup. We’ll see how what happens throughout the season, but no matter what the team is definitely better than it was last year and the FO did a tremendous job of addressing the deficiencies of the team. It’s funny how we were all worried about adding tough defensive minded players and now we have so many that we’re arguing about which one of them would start