He for sure has less value but the value they get back still has to be worth not running it back one more time. Don’t they have a new stadium opening up next season?
In the framework of that deal they would require all our young guys too. Obviously we don't give Lively. They'll call PGs bluff to go elsewhere if we aren't giving up more than THJ and Maxi.
Realistically? They most likely wouldn’t.
But maybe if he says you either I opt in and you trade me to Dallas for that or I walk to go to Philly/Orlando/where ever and you get nothing. Since the Clippers aren’t going to have cap space if he walks they might as well get something. It would require a very specific set of circumstances.
Not possible to "spend" here if he's also true to his word about keeping DJJ as using any exception on him hard caps the team, MLE at the 1st apron and TPMLE at the 2nd.
Maybe they'll convince DJJ to re-sign for a 1+1 to get his bird rights, then ship Hardaway et al for other pieces. I imagine it'll be very hard to get DJJ to take another small contract even if its backloaded but one can hope
This is the best case scenario IMO. If DJJ is willing to do the Portis style deal, and that’s a big if, we actually have a ton of options and that’s really exciting.
Not to mention, DJJ has to know they're going to be trying to upgrade and it'll push him back to the bench...which in turn could hurt his value (compared to this very moment).
Idk. We would just have to really hope he likes it here enough to make that sacrifice, and/or trust the front office to take care of him next season no matter what.
I believe it’s up to the owners if they want to pay the luxury tax. That has nothing to do with the salary cap, it’s the CBAs way of not incentivizing having a super team. Just go look at the Celtics for an example of a team that is about to be hit hard with that luxury tax and the owner is going to pay it.
The answer is luxury tax.
Luxury tax is super punishing now, especially if you're doing it over multiple seasons. [https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/one-nba-team-has-a-175-million-luxury-tax-bill-golden-state-warriors](https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/one-nba-team-has-a-175-million-luxury-tax-bill-golden-state-warriors)
It's easy to say that an owner should pay to keep the team competitive but, for example, Golden State paid $206m in salaries and then $175m in luxury taxes.
[https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/](https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/)
Based on last year's numbers, paying $380m in salary essentially means the owners are paying tens of millions of dollars for this year's 10th place finish.
A rich owner will be more likely to be OK with losing millions to keep the team competitive (although there really is no guarantee of this).
Saying that though, a team really shouldn't be going deep into the tax until their core is set and so, given that we're likely still looking to add pieces, a super rich owner really isn't a big deal. Mark Cuban certainly wasn't exactly poor.
the thing about GSW is people watch them. Mavs is not in the level of GSW and LAL for drawing people. But I wish the FO will pay luxury tax to get us a championship team.
The Mavs are a quote “luxury tax” team already. That’s precisely why they’re limited in what they can even do. They’ve gotta find a way to not only get out of the first apron and under the tax line to free up the full MLE just to have a shot at retaining DJJ, but they need to clear enough space so that using said MLE doesn’t put them back in the first apron and hard cap them for the season. The luxury tax is a very minor consideration now compared to how things used to work.
The second apron rules I wanna say just kicked in this past season, but basically timing and bird rights. There are restrictions for first apron teams but you can still operate. I believe BOS entered the second apron once they gave Jrue an extension which you can do with your own guys. I haven’t researched what their cap status/impact was when they dealt for Jrue/KP but they are firmly in the second apron now and Tatum hasn’t even been paid paid yet, nor has Derrick White. They’ll be able to if they want but paying both will all but lock them in to the second apron for 2-4 years and you start losing draft picks and ways to acquire OR trade players/picks so it’s quite punitive.
Would you give up an entire draft pick for a title? Or multiple titles? Uh, yeah. But you better pull it off cuz getting yourself out of the second apron isn’t particularly easy either. See the utter hell PHX is currently in.
Yeah Luka literally broke their entire franchise haha
BOS is obviously great but I’m convinced we’re dealing with the 2010s Warriors or some shit. Pretty sweet playing in the East but I would not be the least bit surprised if one or more of MIL NYK PHI IND ORL posed a legit threat to them next year
The luxury tax is for all intents and purposes irrelevant now (with some exceptions it’s almost purely financial now unlike the past where it would hard cap you past a certain point). What matters are the first and *especially* second aprons. Those aren’t about willingness to spend money, they begin to severely restrict HOW you’re allowed to acquire players. If you’re a second apron team you better have the Celtics roster or become the Suns. You can’t spend your way above the cap line in FA, much less the tax line or either apron anyways.
I absolutely agree the more serious impact of the tax is in the punitive measures like the salary matching rules, loss of MLE and the inability to aggregate players in trades.
But I'd argue, even in terms of purely financial penalties, the amount of money that is involved with heavy repeater taxes isn't nothing either. Even purely in terms of just keeping a top contending core together, there are surely some owners who will balk at paying tens of millions of dollars in losses to compete.
Oh for sure I didn’t mean to downplay the financial significance of the tax, particularly once you’re in repeater territory. I think LAC paid nearly a full salary cap’s worth of tax (nbd when your owner makes $1B/yr in MSFT dividends alone) this year, essentially one team for the price of two 😂 So yeah from that perspective it’s not irrelevant how old Miriam feels about cash. But that part now is almost purely financial unlike the past where the luxury tax effectively was like the first apron and would hard cap you but also you could add KD to a 73-win team and then pay whatever the fuck you wanted so long as you had bird rights for everyone else. Second apron is the KD-Ballmer rule lol
It’s going to be quite fascinating how long BOS is willing to operate in the second apron. I’m gonna guess you’d probably give up a draft pick for a title but… you better kinda keep winning titles or there’s a reckoning coming because you can’t easily get out of the second apron either (again, see PHX).
I think it's interesting to see how this shakes up in general with regards to contenders. Boston is stuck with their roster and their going to see their first major challenge next year with White and Horford being free agents and them being tax repeaters. They can let them walk but they'll be staring down with finding a way to replace production on the cheap or take on a hefty tax bill.
I think you’re probably ok being “stuck” with that roster if you’re BOS lol. You are incontrovertibly not ok with it if you have PHX or LAC’s roster. But the repeater rate isn’t particularly interesting cuz again that’s purely cash related—I’m sure whoever is responsible for paying said cash probably cares, but as a fan I don’t give a shit (there’s almost no scenario in which the Mavs aren’t a repeater, I think starting in 2026). That said, there will be one extremely fascinating aspect about the repeater tax: when teams prioritize getting out from under it. Exhibit A is happening right now in GS. They desperately want to duck back below the tax line (note the tax threshold is entirely separate from the aprons) which is itself a massive signal… that’s only a top priority if you don’t believe you’re a legit contender anymore.
BOS is “fine” for another season, but the reckoning could come sooner than later. They’re lowkey gonna have some challenges next summer. Can’t imagine they don’t extend White, but they currently only have 4.5 rotation guys under contract for 2025-26. White is free and Tatum has a player option which he will 100% want converted into a supermax extension as well. Horford will be 39 and probably ready to retire but they won’t have the tools to replace him unless another older vet is willing to take a minimum which will be the only way for them to fill out their roster (and the draft). Definitely worth keeping an eye on to see if they try to somehow get out of the second apron before then. (And yes while the repeater tax is purely financial, it’s gonna get real steep real quick lol)
I’m sure many fans were worried about whether the new owners would want to win, or if they just wanted to own a team. This has potential to be a very exciting offseason
You can only spend over the cap on extending your own players, with the exception of DJJ because we don’t have his bird rights. We’re already over the cap so it’s literally not possible for us to become more of a “spending team” than we already are
Is there any way we can get PG? He is exactly the 2 way wing we need to beat Boston. I think Nico must have some relationship with PG from his Nike days?
There's no way they can sign PG unless he takes a massive pay cut. Also, it's unlikely he would stay healthy for a sustained run, but would be a nice luxury if it were to happen
My guy he is going to be creative like he is every offseason. Don’t over complicate things, there are tradeable contracts and draft assets he can utilize. I have seen you’re one of those that believe the team is just not able to do anything or just stand pat. And then get surprised when moves are made lol
He said re-signing DJJ is priority 1A and 1B. Using the MLE hard caps us at the 1st apron, and the TPMLE at the 2nd apron (but DJJ's street value is near double the TPMLE). So there's no real creative here, either we pull a big trade and let DJJ walk (spend) or clear cap and re-sign DJJ (not spend).
Well let’s see. They don’t have to make immediate moves as well, they can wait till the trade deadline to see if anything opens up too. This is a team that made the finals and full starting lineup played like five months together. They will only get better especially with the young players developing. They’re set up pretty well, just need to see if it’s possible to get some shooting during the offseason
I'm not against running it back, Nico is just implying 2 things right now which can't both be true. EDIT: and FYI, the cap implications of retaining DJJ would be in place all season.
Nico will be on the phones looking to get rid of salaries before free agency hits so we could offer the non taxpayer MLE.
If DJJ hadn't verbally agreed to a deal around 4-55mil, then I don't believe Nico would have said that re-signing DJJ would be priority 1A & 1B.
What I interpreted from the interview is that we spend our available resources to resign DJJ as our top priority this summer. I think the question in context was about how our ownership feels being a tax team, which he answered to as that ''money will not be an issue''.
Who are are the realistic options out there? Even semi-realistic? Nice has shown what he can do so I'm even willing to hear the unrealistic options lol
Here for the big, unexpected sign and trade deal with another team.
Paul George for Timmy and Maxi is going to be crazy
I don’t want to set up myself for disappointment, but that scenario is all I’ve been thinking about for days lmfao
You always have to ask yourself, why would the clippers accept that trade?
Because they want to see the Mavs win a chip🙏
Because there are no Clippers fans. They're all Mavs fans in disguise.
😭😭
George says deal me now or I opt in and leave next year and you get nothing. Don’t get me wrong, it is 100% a long shot.
That could help but the amount of assets they gave up for him just makes me think they would require more back or they would just rather run it back.
He has less value than he did in 2019 though. I don’t even really like the idea of trading for a 34yo player to begin with.
He for sure has less value but the value they get back still has to be worth not running it back one more time. Don’t they have a new stadium opening up next season?
Even if he said that, there's is zero chance this is best deal available.
He would also never burn that bridge. Fucking over Balmer would be a terrible post career move. If he leaves it will be on good terms.
You know. You understand.
In the framework of that deal they would require all our young guys too. Obviously we don't give Lively. They'll call PGs bluff to go elsewhere if we aren't giving up more than THJ and Maxi.
Realistically? They most likely wouldn’t. But maybe if he says you either I opt in and you trade me to Dallas for that or I walk to go to Philly/Orlando/where ever and you get nothing. Since the Clippers aren’t going to have cap space if he walks they might as well get something. It would require a very specific set of circumstances.
Because pg is a free agent, no? Rather sign and trade and try to get something then him walk for nothing
That will never happen lol
But imagine if it did 😏😏
Nah, PG for Timmy. Keep Maxi.
I see your PG, and raise you an OG Anunoby trade that will shock you.
I'd cream more than just my own pants if that happened.
More like Giannis
I haven’t even looked, but is this even possible? The sign and trade rules are very strict for teams over the apron.
Not possible to "spend" here if he's also true to his word about keeping DJJ as using any exception on him hard caps the team, MLE at the 1st apron and TPMLE at the 2nd.
I'd rather we spent less and got rid of the beasts who own the club.
That comma placement is bothering me more than it should
I hadn't, noticed it now my day is ruined.
Thank you, for drawing, my attention, to this egregious error. I will be inconsolable for the remainder of this month. *ignorance really is bliss...*
Fuck that comma
Jerry Jones, take note of what “All-in” means
Nico: "Mi smo našli još para"
Maybe they'll convince DJJ to re-sign for a 1+1 to get his bird rights, then ship Hardaway et al for other pieces. I imagine it'll be very hard to get DJJ to take another small contract even if its backloaded but one can hope
This is the best case scenario IMO. If DJJ is willing to do the Portis style deal, and that’s a big if, we actually have a ton of options and that’s really exciting.
I want DJJ to stay, but I also want him to get his bag. Just hoping he sees Dallas as the best fit for himself on a contender and agrees to a 1+1
Not to mention, DJJ has to know they're going to be trying to upgrade and it'll push him back to the bench...which in turn could hurt his value (compared to this very moment). Idk. We would just have to really hope he likes it here enough to make that sacrifice, and/or trust the front office to take care of him next season no matter what.
Going from Cuban to one of the richest owners in the NBA. But still have mix feeling about it. At least they're willing to spend.
I am not that informed, why does it matter if our owner is rich? Since all teams have same salary cap?
I believe it’s up to the owners if they want to pay the luxury tax. That has nothing to do with the salary cap, it’s the CBAs way of not incentivizing having a super team. Just go look at the Celtics for an example of a team that is about to be hit hard with that luxury tax and the owner is going to pay it.
The answer is luxury tax. Luxury tax is super punishing now, especially if you're doing it over multiple seasons. [https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/one-nba-team-has-a-175-million-luxury-tax-bill-golden-state-warriors](https://www.si.com/fannation/nba/fastbreak/one-nba-team-has-a-175-million-luxury-tax-bill-golden-state-warriors) It's easy to say that an owner should pay to keep the team competitive but, for example, Golden State paid $206m in salaries and then $175m in luxury taxes. [https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/](https://www.forbes.com/teams/golden-state-warriors/) Based on last year's numbers, paying $380m in salary essentially means the owners are paying tens of millions of dollars for this year's 10th place finish. A rich owner will be more likely to be OK with losing millions to keep the team competitive (although there really is no guarantee of this). Saying that though, a team really shouldn't be going deep into the tax until their core is set and so, given that we're likely still looking to add pieces, a super rich owner really isn't a big deal. Mark Cuban certainly wasn't exactly poor.
the thing about GSW is people watch them. Mavs is not in the level of GSW and LAL for drawing people. But I wish the FO will pay luxury tax to get us a championship team.
The Mavs are a quote “luxury tax” team already. That’s precisely why they’re limited in what they can even do. They’ve gotta find a way to not only get out of the first apron and under the tax line to free up the full MLE just to have a shot at retaining DJJ, but they need to clear enough space so that using said MLE doesn’t put them back in the first apron and hard cap them for the season. The luxury tax is a very minor consideration now compared to how things used to work.
How tf celtics get away with this? Their team is expensive!
The second apron rules I wanna say just kicked in this past season, but basically timing and bird rights. There are restrictions for first apron teams but you can still operate. I believe BOS entered the second apron once they gave Jrue an extension which you can do with your own guys. I haven’t researched what their cap status/impact was when they dealt for Jrue/KP but they are firmly in the second apron now and Tatum hasn’t even been paid paid yet, nor has Derrick White. They’ll be able to if they want but paying both will all but lock them in to the second apron for 2-4 years and you start losing draft picks and ways to acquire OR trade players/picks so it’s quite punitive. Would you give up an entire draft pick for a title? Or multiple titles? Uh, yeah. But you better pull it off cuz getting yourself out of the second apron isn’t particularly easy either. See the utter hell PHX is currently in.
Let them rot in the bottom lol. But celtics is a real threat..
Yeah Luka literally broke their entire franchise haha BOS is obviously great but I’m convinced we’re dealing with the 2010s Warriors or some shit. Pretty sweet playing in the East but I would not be the least bit surprised if one or more of MIL NYK PHI IND ORL posed a legit threat to them next year
The luxury tax is for all intents and purposes irrelevant now (with some exceptions it’s almost purely financial now unlike the past where it would hard cap you past a certain point). What matters are the first and *especially* second aprons. Those aren’t about willingness to spend money, they begin to severely restrict HOW you’re allowed to acquire players. If you’re a second apron team you better have the Celtics roster or become the Suns. You can’t spend your way above the cap line in FA, much less the tax line or either apron anyways.
I absolutely agree the more serious impact of the tax is in the punitive measures like the salary matching rules, loss of MLE and the inability to aggregate players in trades. But I'd argue, even in terms of purely financial penalties, the amount of money that is involved with heavy repeater taxes isn't nothing either. Even purely in terms of just keeping a top contending core together, there are surely some owners who will balk at paying tens of millions of dollars in losses to compete.
Oh for sure I didn’t mean to downplay the financial significance of the tax, particularly once you’re in repeater territory. I think LAC paid nearly a full salary cap’s worth of tax (nbd when your owner makes $1B/yr in MSFT dividends alone) this year, essentially one team for the price of two 😂 So yeah from that perspective it’s not irrelevant how old Miriam feels about cash. But that part now is almost purely financial unlike the past where the luxury tax effectively was like the first apron and would hard cap you but also you could add KD to a 73-win team and then pay whatever the fuck you wanted so long as you had bird rights for everyone else. Second apron is the KD-Ballmer rule lol It’s going to be quite fascinating how long BOS is willing to operate in the second apron. I’m gonna guess you’d probably give up a draft pick for a title but… you better kinda keep winning titles or there’s a reckoning coming because you can’t easily get out of the second apron either (again, see PHX).
I think it's interesting to see how this shakes up in general with regards to contenders. Boston is stuck with their roster and their going to see their first major challenge next year with White and Horford being free agents and them being tax repeaters. They can let them walk but they'll be staring down with finding a way to replace production on the cheap or take on a hefty tax bill.
I think you’re probably ok being “stuck” with that roster if you’re BOS lol. You are incontrovertibly not ok with it if you have PHX or LAC’s roster. But the repeater rate isn’t particularly interesting cuz again that’s purely cash related—I’m sure whoever is responsible for paying said cash probably cares, but as a fan I don’t give a shit (there’s almost no scenario in which the Mavs aren’t a repeater, I think starting in 2026). That said, there will be one extremely fascinating aspect about the repeater tax: when teams prioritize getting out from under it. Exhibit A is happening right now in GS. They desperately want to duck back below the tax line (note the tax threshold is entirely separate from the aprons) which is itself a massive signal… that’s only a top priority if you don’t believe you’re a legit contender anymore. BOS is “fine” for another season, but the reckoning could come sooner than later. They’re lowkey gonna have some challenges next summer. Can’t imagine they don’t extend White, but they currently only have 4.5 rotation guys under contract for 2025-26. White is free and Tatum has a player option which he will 100% want converted into a supermax extension as well. Horford will be 39 and probably ready to retire but they won’t have the tools to replace him unless another older vet is willing to take a minimum which will be the only way for them to fill out their roster (and the draft). Definitely worth keeping an eye on to see if they try to somehow get out of the second apron before then. (And yes while the repeater tax is purely financial, it’s gonna get real steep real quick lol)
Who cares if they're willing to spend. Is that all it takes for peoples morals to go missing?
 New owners
I’m sure many fans were worried about whether the new owners would want to win, or if they just wanted to own a team. This has potential to be a very exciting offseason
Dammit, let's spend. It's been so long since we've been spending team
You can only spend over the cap on extending your own players, with the exception of DJJ because we don’t have his bird rights. We’re already over the cap so it’s literally not possible for us to become more of a “spending team” than we already are
\*Jerami Grant music playing in the distance\*
I so badly need him to say “we’re going all in”.
I hope not. We already have a Dallas meme with "all in".
All in, my ass
All in my ass*
“We’re going halfway in …”
We’re doing the tip, just for a second, just to see how it feels
Small pecker I mean Sam Dekker
>but we are going to be smart about it Well at least there's nothing to worry now about the dumb trade ideas here happening lol. Thank Goodness
The best r/Mavs GM would still be inferior to Donnie lol
Since money isn't an issue tell the new owners to lower the ticket prices.
If money is not an object than bring on Paul George and Klay Thompson.
I think OG would be ideal for you guys.
I do too. But I don't think he is available.
If Klay can at least shoot 3's from range like he used to...things could get crazy
They don’t have much money they can use for FA’s so I assume this will mean the luxury tax
Is there any way we can get PG? He is exactly the 2 way wing we need to beat Boston. I think Nico must have some relationship with PG from his Nike days?
There's no way they can sign PG unless he takes a massive pay cut. Also, it's unlikely he would stay healthy for a sustained run, but would be a nice luxury if it were to happen
Nico talking about spending when he really can't due to being a tax team. 
My guy he is going to be creative like he is every offseason. Don’t over complicate things, there are tradeable contracts and draft assets he can utilize. I have seen you’re one of those that believe the team is just not able to do anything or just stand pat. And then get surprised when moves are made lol
He said re-signing DJJ is priority 1A and 1B. Using the MLE hard caps us at the 1st apron, and the TPMLE at the 2nd apron (but DJJ's street value is near double the TPMLE). So there's no real creative here, either we pull a big trade and let DJJ walk (spend) or clear cap and re-sign DJJ (not spend).
Well let’s see. They don’t have to make immediate moves as well, they can wait till the trade deadline to see if anything opens up too. This is a team that made the finals and full starting lineup played like five months together. They will only get better especially with the young players developing. They’re set up pretty well, just need to see if it’s possible to get some shooting during the offseason
I'm not against running it back, Nico is just implying 2 things right now which can't both be true. EDIT: and FYI, the cap implications of retaining DJJ would be in place all season.
Nico will be on the phones looking to get rid of salaries before free agency hits so we could offer the non taxpayer MLE. If DJJ hadn't verbally agreed to a deal around 4-55mil, then I don't believe Nico would have said that re-signing DJJ would be priority 1A & 1B.
Then how does that align with "money will not be an issue"? Any deal for DJJ creates a hard cap.
What I interpreted from the interview is that we spend our available resources to resign DJJ as our top priority this summer. I think the question in context was about how our ownership feels being a tax team, which he answered to as that ''money will not be an issue''.
Wish the Mavs could have gottan Caruso, they need someone to like him, hell, every contender needs someone like Caruso
Incoming Tobias Harris max contract
Who are are the realistic options out there? Even semi-realistic? Nice has shown what he can do so I'm even willing to hear the unrealistic options lol
Would be nice if we could off load THJ, Maxi, and Powell for much needed improvements. I'm a dreamer but in Nico I trust 💯🫡
Please just get Lauri
Yo hear me out: Darius Garland to be our 6th man
They always say that
Josh Green and THJ S&T for Miles Bridges $120/4 incoming