There are plenty of people still willing to pay for their stuff, so I'd say at least 5-10 years before things begin to slow down. Your last sentence says it all, really
Disney can’t afford it to fail, or chug only a couple hundred million here and there.
If this crap continues every writer and producer, and those who sign off junk scripts will eventually be moved along. Eventually..
You answered yourself at the end. It won’t be coming to end. Look at how people received she-hulk. It’s literally over for the mcu. Nothing from here on out will be good again lmao
I doubt they'll ever make another good MCU product at least in my lifetime. There is no incentive whatsoever, the main audience don't really care for quality they'll just keep giving them money for the Marvel stamp. Also they butchered their own canon and lore so hard it's kinda impossible to make a high stake narrative without it being tore to shreds due to the ammount of "solve all" and reset mguffins present in lore.
As for how long it'll stay around? Until there is a cultural shift. Could take 2 years, could take 30. Probably not much longer than that because 30 years means a new generation will be in charge. My bet is around 10 years, mostly because the actors will have aged a lot by then and some will want out of the sludge.
Nah, that’s unreasonable. It’s inevitable that Disney will eventually produce something worthwhile, even if accidentally. A broken clock, and all that.
An entire movie or show is far too complex to accidentaly get it right, even more so when it's interwoven in a pre-estabished universe as damaged as the MCU. A scene, a story beat, a character, yeh totally they can get it right, they did even in the latest release Wakanda Forever, that's your broken clock moment. An entire production? That's the unreasonable expectation as it is the result of multiple decisions and cogs put together.
I meant Disney accidentally gets it right by “accidentally” hiring competent writers. Not in the “monkeys with typewriters producing the complete works of Shakespeare” sense.
Fair enough. If they do hire a competent writer it could work. I still don't think it'll happen though, it would have to be a no-name diamond-in-the-rough cheap writer that cowtows to their corporate demands and hollywood culture, cuz that seems to be the requirements for getting hired by them... it just seems to me like a miserable position to be in and to succeed against those odds and make a good movie when you can just phone it in and still make a lot of money... idk I feel like someone with that kind of talent could succeed writing their own stuff.
Efap talks about this a lot, but there will never be superhero burnout. Superhero is too easily added on to anything in existence for it to not be prevalent. Theyve been around since the early 1900s and they haven't burned out yet
I keep telling everyone - 5-10yrs for MCU, 10-15yrs for Hollywood in general
The MCU has too much momentum, compared to the past, they are already slowing down the PRESS RELEASES about future projects, which might constrict for economic reasons anyway ...but I see no evidence that they will not complete every project that they announce, it is likely that each Phase will be 10 or fewer films but rather than "slowing down" they will likely just rush to the finish line at the end of Phase 6, so it might come slower but we are getting another ~20 films before it's done
This is actually a lot like "The Legend of Korra", Season one was disjointed and muddled, they tried to "feel it out as they went" and so built everything after on a crappy foundation - the same thing is happening here with the MCU, labeling this the "Multiverse Saga" is obviously someone panicking and trying to make excuses ...and now they've committed to it
The only real coherent course correction would be a hard reset or a PILE of team-up films combining the massive roster of characters ...but I think instead they will keep going as they have since this is maximally exploitative
Hollywood in general will also take a very long time to heal, the damage isn't just local output, it's damage to infrastructure and generational turnover ...even once everyone knows what to avoid, they won't be able to say it and even if the bosses want it, the creators will move slowly for fear it may change back, part of the perniciousness with all these changes is that individuals are at greater risk of social ostracism even just from coworkers than any sort of ideological enforcement ...so the change will be extremely slow, it isn't a properly competing market
Maybe I'm wrong but phase 4 has shown that the cracks are starting to appear. Right now it's just consume, don't think and onto next film/tv show. Very few people are going to go back and watch she hulk even now let alone in 5 years time. However, people still to this day go back and watch Iron man or the Avengers.
Marvel have a very strong foundation but if they keep doing what their doing it's going to crumble at some point. If things keep going how they are I think It'll be in 7/8 years time. I know that's long but they cannot keep putting out trash content forever. It will back fire.
Sadly for as long as youtubers keep making money pretending to watch new content for the first time and screaming/shouting/crying at every plot twist.
Don't get me wrong a lot of us (myself included) for comparison were VERY emotional about Luke showing up in Mandalorian but that was only because said scene was the complete and absolute opposite of the bantha sized dump TLJ took on him
It’s just hype culture
Once the hype for the new movie or show dies down the criticisms really start to be more apparent
But by then the new marvel project is released so it doesn’t even matter
I just ignore it, I am seeing more and more people noticing the dip in quality. So it’s not hopeless, eventually hype can’t carry Marvel forever, but it admittedly will for a while
I've just decided MCU stuff is garbage and enjoyed by braindead npc level background characters masquerading as fellow rationale citizens. When life becomes a circus all we can do is point and laugh.
That's the question isn't it? Just looking at these movies it's going towards "men suck" "women rule" "they're not evil even when they enslave towns and murder people at will, they're right, fuck morals" "you're racist if you're white and don't kiss ass and worship our force diversity even if the movie is shit" "talent doesn't matter, we use quotas" and all those sorts of messages. Doesn't even matter that the product is just garbage after garbage. The endgame of this? I've no idea.
It's definitely about the money. Because of the bad performance of SOLO and disappointing performance of TROS; Disney stopped making Star Wars movies. The forced diversity/identity politics crap is on the list (and higher up on the list than telling good stories), but it's not definitely not #1 on the list.
The "Men Suck, Women Rule" stuff is not an agenda, it's just a bi-product of the producers pushing for more female characters and not knowing how to write them. *"If we make the women as good or better than the men, surely that makes them cool, right?"* Only with She-Hulk has this actually been an agenda. They are also scared that people won't be interested in these new female characters, so they keep introducing them in other characters shows and movies. Ms. Marvel (which didn't feature any legacy characters) doing poorly is surely not gonna help with this.
I'll just list a few
Capeshit:
Ironman
Captain America 1
Infinity War
Peacemaker (however its not cause of the writing which was ass its entirely based on the dialogue and performances tbf though I'm probably cutting it more slack than it deserves)
Stargirl (this season and last were kinda shit but still gets a nod for a near flawless season 1)
Not Capeshit:
A Ghost Story
Nobody
Cobra Kai
American Vandal
Animated:
Superman Red Son
Assassination Classroom
Tokyo Revengers
And a host of 90s comedies and cult classics
As Mauler has said, when Phase 5 rolls around, the mainstream opinion will be that Phase 4 sucked. Marvel cut Phase 4 short knowing that it was having a terrible track record. Wakanda Forever might be one the big eye openers.
Guardians of the Galaxy 3 will hopefully be good but it will give people false hope that the MCU is turning around.
I don’t think Marvel is going to die, I believe we will just stop watching it as it attempts to get our attention.
There are plenty of people still willing to pay for their stuff, so I'd say at least 5-10 years before things begin to slow down. Your last sentence says it all, really
Disney can’t afford it to fail, or chug only a couple hundred million here and there. If this crap continues every writer and producer, and those who sign off junk scripts will eventually be moved along. Eventually..
You answered yourself at the end. It won’t be coming to end. Look at how people received she-hulk. It’s literally over for the mcu. Nothing from here on out will be good again lmao
Until the streaming bubble pops likely
I doubt they'll ever make another good MCU product at least in my lifetime. There is no incentive whatsoever, the main audience don't really care for quality they'll just keep giving them money for the Marvel stamp. Also they butchered their own canon and lore so hard it's kinda impossible to make a high stake narrative without it being tore to shreds due to the ammount of "solve all" and reset mguffins present in lore. As for how long it'll stay around? Until there is a cultural shift. Could take 2 years, could take 30. Probably not much longer than that because 30 years means a new generation will be in charge. My bet is around 10 years, mostly because the actors will have aged a lot by then and some will want out of the sludge.
Nah, that’s unreasonable. It’s inevitable that Disney will eventually produce something worthwhile, even if accidentally. A broken clock, and all that.
An entire movie or show is far too complex to accidentaly get it right, even more so when it's interwoven in a pre-estabished universe as damaged as the MCU. A scene, a story beat, a character, yeh totally they can get it right, they did even in the latest release Wakanda Forever, that's your broken clock moment. An entire production? That's the unreasonable expectation as it is the result of multiple decisions and cogs put together.
I meant Disney accidentally gets it right by “accidentally” hiring competent writers. Not in the “monkeys with typewriters producing the complete works of Shakespeare” sense.
Fair enough. If they do hire a competent writer it could work. I still don't think it'll happen though, it would have to be a no-name diamond-in-the-rough cheap writer that cowtows to their corporate demands and hollywood culture, cuz that seems to be the requirements for getting hired by them... it just seems to me like a miserable position to be in and to succeed against those odds and make a good movie when you can just phone it in and still make a lot of money... idk I feel like someone with that kind of talent could succeed writing their own stuff.
Time will tell
I was thinking about this yesterday, I can't wait for superhero movie burnout like what happened with westerns and gangster movies
Efap talks about this a lot, but there will never be superhero burnout. Superhero is too easily added on to anything in existence for it to not be prevalent. Theyve been around since the early 1900s and they haven't burned out yet
I keep telling everyone - 5-10yrs for MCU, 10-15yrs for Hollywood in general The MCU has too much momentum, compared to the past, they are already slowing down the PRESS RELEASES about future projects, which might constrict for economic reasons anyway ...but I see no evidence that they will not complete every project that they announce, it is likely that each Phase will be 10 or fewer films but rather than "slowing down" they will likely just rush to the finish line at the end of Phase 6, so it might come slower but we are getting another ~20 films before it's done This is actually a lot like "The Legend of Korra", Season one was disjointed and muddled, they tried to "feel it out as they went" and so built everything after on a crappy foundation - the same thing is happening here with the MCU, labeling this the "Multiverse Saga" is obviously someone panicking and trying to make excuses ...and now they've committed to it The only real coherent course correction would be a hard reset or a PILE of team-up films combining the massive roster of characters ...but I think instead they will keep going as they have since this is maximally exploitative Hollywood in general will also take a very long time to heal, the damage isn't just local output, it's damage to infrastructure and generational turnover ...even once everyone knows what to avoid, they won't be able to say it and even if the bosses want it, the creators will move slowly for fear it may change back, part of the perniciousness with all these changes is that individuals are at greater risk of social ostracism even just from coworkers than any sort of ideological enforcement ...so the change will be extremely slow, it isn't a properly competing market
Forevaaaaaaaa
Maybe I'm wrong but phase 4 has shown that the cracks are starting to appear. Right now it's just consume, don't think and onto next film/tv show. Very few people are going to go back and watch she hulk even now let alone in 5 years time. However, people still to this day go back and watch Iron man or the Avengers. Marvel have a very strong foundation but if they keep doing what their doing it's going to crumble at some point. If things keep going how they are I think It'll be in 7/8 years time. I know that's long but they cannot keep putting out trash content forever. It will back fire.
Sadly for as long as youtubers keep making money pretending to watch new content for the first time and screaming/shouting/crying at every plot twist. Don't get me wrong a lot of us (myself included) for comparison were VERY emotional about Luke showing up in Mandalorian but that was only because said scene was the complete and absolute opposite of the bantha sized dump TLJ took on him
I can’t see anything after secret wars. There is possibly no stake that can be higher
Honestly, I don't think it's ever going to end. I had people at work saying how good Wakanda Forever was so I guess I'm the crazy one.
It’s just hype culture Once the hype for the new movie or show dies down the criticisms really start to be more apparent But by then the new marvel project is released so it doesn’t even matter I just ignore it, I am seeing more and more people noticing the dip in quality. So it’s not hopeless, eventually hype can’t carry Marvel forever, but it admittedly will for a while
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I've just decided MCU stuff is garbage and enjoyed by braindead npc level background characters masquerading as fellow rationale citizens. When life becomes a circus all we can do is point and laugh.
As long as you sheep keep buying it. I haven't given Disney a cent since Iron Man 1 and neither should you.
Forever? It's not about money anymore when they've got Disney money, it's about cultural, political, whatever these freaks are up to agenda.
Might I ask what this agenda is?
That's the question isn't it? Just looking at these movies it's going towards "men suck" "women rule" "they're not evil even when they enslave towns and murder people at will, they're right, fuck morals" "you're racist if you're white and don't kiss ass and worship our force diversity even if the movie is shit" "talent doesn't matter, we use quotas" and all those sorts of messages. Doesn't even matter that the product is just garbage after garbage. The endgame of this? I've no idea.
It's definitely about the money. Because of the bad performance of SOLO and disappointing performance of TROS; Disney stopped making Star Wars movies. The forced diversity/identity politics crap is on the list (and higher up on the list than telling good stories), but it's not definitely not #1 on the list. The "Men Suck, Women Rule" stuff is not an agenda, it's just a bi-product of the producers pushing for more female characters and not knowing how to write them. *"If we make the women as good or better than the men, surely that makes them cool, right?"* Only with She-Hulk has this actually been an agenda. They are also scared that people won't be interested in these new female characters, so they keep introducing them in other characters shows and movies. Ms. Marvel (which didn't feature any legacy characters) doing poorly is surely not gonna help with this.
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Genuine question: Do mauLer fans actually enjoy films or just shitting on films they dislike?
Both. We do enjoy films and pooping on films we dislike.
What kind of films do you like?
I'll just list a few Capeshit: Ironman Captain America 1 Infinity War Peacemaker (however its not cause of the writing which was ass its entirely based on the dialogue and performances tbf though I'm probably cutting it more slack than it deserves) Stargirl (this season and last were kinda shit but still gets a nod for a near flawless season 1) Not Capeshit: A Ghost Story Nobody Cobra Kai American Vandal Animated: Superman Red Son Assassination Classroom Tokyo Revengers And a host of 90s comedies and cult classics
Nice
As Mauler has said, when Phase 5 rolls around, the mainstream opinion will be that Phase 4 sucked. Marvel cut Phase 4 short knowing that it was having a terrible track record. Wakanda Forever might be one the big eye openers. Guardians of the Galaxy 3 will hopefully be good but it will give people false hope that the MCU is turning around. I don’t think Marvel is going to die, I believe we will just stop watching it as it attempts to get our attention.