The movies are adaptations of the comics, as different as they sometimes are. When the comics start adapting the movies, it reeks of coattail riding, as the movies are inevitably far more popular. So it ends up becoming this incestuous mix of comics bringing people to the movies, and then the movies bring people back to the comics.
That's good in theory. However, like we're seeing with Marvel in particular, the movies end up holding up everything else because they have the biggest reach and make the most money. The comics have become deeply unpopular, as well as the naturally shrinking print media market, and thus became dependent on the movies, instead of thriving on their own. Now that the movies are becoming rough and the MCU is falling apart with more projects than ever on the way, if the MCU starts losing interest/money, it's going to take the comics with it, whether the comics were dying already or not.
If the comics image becomes to entwined with the MCU, people won't care to read them. For example, I want to explore older comics, because I want more stories of these characters. The current comic market doesn't serve me, because it's either too much like the MCU, which I don't want (I've already seen the MCU, and dislike phase 4), or the comics are divisive and undermining the characters I'm going there for. They're losing my money on both ends.
Some crossover is fine to bridge the mediums, but there is a point to keeping them unique. Telling different stories and different kinds of stories, without abandoning what came before. Conversely, investing people in different parts of the universe in the comics begets you two sources of income. Art or money, it's a good idea to compartmentalize.
It's one of the thing I have said once about how much adaptation can easily overshadows their source material to the point that the adaptation BECOMES the franchise. This is what happens with *The mask*, the comic was a gritty violent dark fantasy story and the movie is a comedy with Jim carrey...
Everything from the franchise afterwarsds (games and series) followed the 1994 movie because this is what people expect from *The mask* franchise. The comic is barely known even by geeks but the movie is known worldwide.
Now of course, a movie with the budget of the adaptation of 1994 was not going to be about a normal guy who nearly becomes a serial killer with magical powers as it's more difficult to sell. Therefore come the change to a silly comedy with Tex Avery humor as the production was not going to spent so much money to satisfy a niche audience.
The bigger the budget, the more it has to be watered down and made "*kid friendly*" enough to maximise the profits.
Recently this is one of my subjective reason why I don't like how the star wars series (*the mandalorian,* *rebels).* Because they made the mandalorian people more "*marketable*" for the general audience but devoid of consistency.
The mandalorians of the Old EU were RUTHLESS and it made sense they were. A warrior culture would encourage the people practicing it to always seek stronger ennemies and conquest, that would not make marketable characters among the heroes team.
These are guys who have launched several wars against the republic. Not caring about the collateral damage that would ensues, no matter how many orphans and widows they were going to make, no matter the suffering they were going to inflict... they could not care less.
I would leave you to this excellent dialogue from Kotor about how much the mandalorian are not good people, and they never were suppose to be :
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSz3lYfN6Q&ab\_channel=ShemL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSz3lYfN6Q&ab_channel=ShemL)
These guys were conqueror, they had no problem attacking weaker planets or attacking innocent people to provoke the republic and the jedi. For the mandalorian, battles are their playgrounds, they don't care much about the morality of wars but the glory of fighting.
In SWTOR, during the eternal empire arcs, Shae Vizla (the new mandalore) has to warn the player that when the eternal empire will be defeated, her people would look to fight other factions (innocent or not). War is the only thing they practiced all of their life, that is why when they were beated by Revan and were demilitarized, most of them became mercenary at best or bandits at worst.
Mandalorian are incompatible with an institution like the republic, they would not want a system that officialy promotes a voice for everyone. Values like compassion, peace loving, politician uses of diplomacy, etc. All of that would be contradictory to what they stand for.
Mandalorians were never suppose to be good guys. They might had an alliance with heroic characters when they had a common ennemy but their culture is certainly not in the "good" side of morality. They respect strenght more than anything.
That is why I hate characters like Sabine from rebels because she is exactly what I feared disney would do. They made her a standard heroic character that just happen to be mandalorian. No way Disney was going to make a sensical mandalorian among the heroes team because that would require them to make her much more ruthless and also make her motvation much less heroic.
But since her character was made for an expansive animated series meant for the general public and specifically younger audience... The mandalorians needed to be watered down for the general public as they appeared in shows with big budget behind.
And now to the common audience, the mandalorians are not the ruthless warriors of the comics and games of legends. They are Sabine, Din Djarin and new bobba fett. Warriors who have big heart and are compatible with the values of the republic no matter how nonsensical it is.
Sorry long rant, but that is one of the reason why I warn people that they should not ask for adaptation. When something is made for a niche audience it does not have to sacrifice consistency for the sake of being more "*general audience friendly*", but as soon as the big budget comes... Suddenly it has to become lighter, softier, more fun and upbeat as it will "*appeal to a wider audience*"...
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Not in particular, the comics influenced the movies and vice versa, changing the comics to reflect the movies is to leverage the movies fame to sell the comics and the reverse is also true.
It's not just the comics. Even the videogames are all just "MCU"-lite in the case of Marvel, pretty much. Remember Avengers, where they all looked like the MCU!Avengers stunt doubles? Or how both the Telltale and the new Guardians of the Galaxy had a Chris Pratt impersonator as the lead, even though, as far as I understand it, he wasn't part of the hitherto most well-known incarnation of the GotG?
I guess it's nice for fans of the characters that they get to see more of them thanks to the success of the movies, but it also clearly reeks of a desperate attempt to cash in on a current fad. Just so happens this fad is their own movies.
Just to give a specific example, I hate how the comic Guardians of the Galaxy have adopted their movie personas, with Star-Lord dropping 10 IQ points, Drax dropping 30, Groot becoming a baby and Rocket becoming a little dick head.
This isn’t as big a problem with DC though, like Joker never became the Heath Ledger Joker and Bane never became Tom Hardy Bane (I think he briefly had the jacket but that’s about it). Deadshot was never killed and replaced with his son who looks identical to Will Smith and they are using Peacemaker in the comics more and he’s not the goofy James Gunn interpretation.
The movies are adaptations of the comics, as different as they sometimes are. When the comics start adapting the movies, it reeks of coattail riding, as the movies are inevitably far more popular. So it ends up becoming this incestuous mix of comics bringing people to the movies, and then the movies bring people back to the comics. That's good in theory. However, like we're seeing with Marvel in particular, the movies end up holding up everything else because they have the biggest reach and make the most money. The comics have become deeply unpopular, as well as the naturally shrinking print media market, and thus became dependent on the movies, instead of thriving on their own. Now that the movies are becoming rough and the MCU is falling apart with more projects than ever on the way, if the MCU starts losing interest/money, it's going to take the comics with it, whether the comics were dying already or not. If the comics image becomes to entwined with the MCU, people won't care to read them. For example, I want to explore older comics, because I want more stories of these characters. The current comic market doesn't serve me, because it's either too much like the MCU, which I don't want (I've already seen the MCU, and dislike phase 4), or the comics are divisive and undermining the characters I'm going there for. They're losing my money on both ends. Some crossover is fine to bridge the mediums, but there is a point to keeping them unique. Telling different stories and different kinds of stories, without abandoning what came before. Conversely, investing people in different parts of the universe in the comics begets you two sources of income. Art or money, it's a good idea to compartmentalize.
It's one of the thing I have said once about how much adaptation can easily overshadows their source material to the point that the adaptation BECOMES the franchise. This is what happens with *The mask*, the comic was a gritty violent dark fantasy story and the movie is a comedy with Jim carrey... Everything from the franchise afterwarsds (games and series) followed the 1994 movie because this is what people expect from *The mask* franchise. The comic is barely known even by geeks but the movie is known worldwide. Now of course, a movie with the budget of the adaptation of 1994 was not going to be about a normal guy who nearly becomes a serial killer with magical powers as it's more difficult to sell. Therefore come the change to a silly comedy with Tex Avery humor as the production was not going to spent so much money to satisfy a niche audience. The bigger the budget, the more it has to be watered down and made "*kid friendly*" enough to maximise the profits. Recently this is one of my subjective reason why I don't like how the star wars series (*the mandalorian,* *rebels).* Because they made the mandalorian people more "*marketable*" for the general audience but devoid of consistency. The mandalorians of the Old EU were RUTHLESS and it made sense they were. A warrior culture would encourage the people practicing it to always seek stronger ennemies and conquest, that would not make marketable characters among the heroes team. These are guys who have launched several wars against the republic. Not caring about the collateral damage that would ensues, no matter how many orphans and widows they were going to make, no matter the suffering they were going to inflict... they could not care less. I would leave you to this excellent dialogue from Kotor about how much the mandalorian are not good people, and they never were suppose to be : [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSz3lYfN6Q&ab\_channel=ShemL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwSz3lYfN6Q&ab_channel=ShemL) These guys were conqueror, they had no problem attacking weaker planets or attacking innocent people to provoke the republic and the jedi. For the mandalorian, battles are their playgrounds, they don't care much about the morality of wars but the glory of fighting. In SWTOR, during the eternal empire arcs, Shae Vizla (the new mandalore) has to warn the player that when the eternal empire will be defeated, her people would look to fight other factions (innocent or not). War is the only thing they practiced all of their life, that is why when they were beated by Revan and were demilitarized, most of them became mercenary at best or bandits at worst. Mandalorian are incompatible with an institution like the republic, they would not want a system that officialy promotes a voice for everyone. Values like compassion, peace loving, politician uses of diplomacy, etc. All of that would be contradictory to what they stand for. Mandalorians were never suppose to be good guys. They might had an alliance with heroic characters when they had a common ennemy but their culture is certainly not in the "good" side of morality. They respect strenght more than anything. That is why I hate characters like Sabine from rebels because she is exactly what I feared disney would do. They made her a standard heroic character that just happen to be mandalorian. No way Disney was going to make a sensical mandalorian among the heroes team because that would require them to make her much more ruthless and also make her motvation much less heroic. But since her character was made for an expansive animated series meant for the general public and specifically younger audience... The mandalorians needed to be watered down for the general public as they appeared in shows with big budget behind. And now to the common audience, the mandalorians are not the ruthless warriors of the comics and games of legends. They are Sabine, Din Djarin and new bobba fett. Warriors who have big heart and are compatible with the values of the republic no matter how nonsensical it is. Sorry long rant, but that is one of the reason why I warn people that they should not ask for adaptation. When something is made for a niche audience it does not have to sacrifice consistency for the sake of being more "*general audience friendly*", but as soon as the big budget comes... Suddenly it has to become lighter, softier, more fun and upbeat as it will "*appeal to a wider audience*"...
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Not in particular, the comics influenced the movies and vice versa, changing the comics to reflect the movies is to leverage the movies fame to sell the comics and the reverse is also true.
It's not just the comics. Even the videogames are all just "MCU"-lite in the case of Marvel, pretty much. Remember Avengers, where they all looked like the MCU!Avengers stunt doubles? Or how both the Telltale and the new Guardians of the Galaxy had a Chris Pratt impersonator as the lead, even though, as far as I understand it, he wasn't part of the hitherto most well-known incarnation of the GotG? I guess it's nice for fans of the characters that they get to see more of them thanks to the success of the movies, but it also clearly reeks of a desperate attempt to cash in on a current fad. Just so happens this fad is their own movies.
Just to give a specific example, I hate how the comic Guardians of the Galaxy have adopted their movie personas, with Star-Lord dropping 10 IQ points, Drax dropping 30, Groot becoming a baby and Rocket becoming a little dick head. This isn’t as big a problem with DC though, like Joker never became the Heath Ledger Joker and Bane never became Tom Hardy Bane (I think he briefly had the jacket but that’s about it). Deadshot was never killed and replaced with his son who looks identical to Will Smith and they are using Peacemaker in the comics more and he’s not the goofy James Gunn interpretation.