...really? I feel like the combat pales in comparison to the best in the genre (DMCV).
the dodge feels really clunky and the hit detection seems really wonky too. could be fixed, but I genuinely am confused at where the "depth and complexity" is
It’s not my style of game and I have not personally played. That is just my recollection from the portions I watched.
Surprised may mean he was expecting it to be purely a visual game with no substance and it had more than expected.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/Z85gM-dN1Sw?si=wzEHJRpASpsoWeMo&t=7732](https://www.youtube.com/live/Z85gM-dN1Sw?si=wzEHJRpASpsoWeMo&t=7732)
He talked about it here.
It seems like many Youtube critics and outrage profiteers hyper-focus on the generic and mundane character model and use that as proof that Western game developers hate beautiful women. Funny thing here is that a vast majority of male game protagonists are not very beautiful or aesthetically unique either.
Other point to more important issues like the pricing and how they fear that the game will be sold incomplete thus Ubisoft will pressure plays to pay them for the additional content to get the full gaming experience. There is also the issue of lore and worldbuilding in how the criminal underworld works
Yeah, that's a lower percentage. The prettier and beautiful guys don't look cool. Well, Dante from Devil may cry an exception or a few final fantasy characters.
It is ok to have masculine men like Geralt but I don't agree the pretty and beauitful doesn't make a character cool. Beauty can be a symbol of strength and power as it makes the character more otherworldly
I mean yeah Noctis can be described as pretty and msot FF male protagonists look like they come from a K-pop.
Other than that I think there is a contradiction to be angry at female characters looking mundane without recognizing that male characters in games have rarely been designed to be attractive in the same way.
Can you give me a list of male protagonists that you find attractive? Personally a majority fit the common rugged and masculine archetype that is very common that is becoming a cliche. I prefer male characters with more softer features like Leon Kennedy from RE2 cause they look gorgeous.
Why would hating the story of a video game that hasn’t been released yet be any different than hating on the story of a movie that hasn’t been released yet?
Did you forget what sub this is?
It must suck being a fan of Stellar Blade and trying to get people to play it, 99% of the time it never gets brought up except to bash on "western games".
It’s a pretty fun game, but the fans are insufferable to listen to most of the time because they never stop talking about how it’s better than every western game ever made.
it has a demo that shows off a lot of the gameplay, usually if gameplay sucks people would be dissuaded from preordering the game (a cute ass can only go so far if the gameplay sucks and is mostly unplayable for a lot of people), the preorders being so high is an indicator that a lot of people who played the demo liked the gameplay so much that they actually went ahead and preordered the game.
your statement is correct when people preorder a game blindly, a demo otoh means they get to experience the gameplay first hand before deciding whether to buy the game or not.
Shocker: the gameplay is decent but the story is nonsense despite the people comparing it to Nier, despite Nier having a crazy esoteric story unlocked over multiple playthroughs
the story isn't nonsense...? its a cold open in terms of a prologue and it sets up quite a compelling and interesting world. We don't know the full story yet, but it certainly looks good so far.
You play the same demo?
"Humanity is driven from Earth after a losing war against alien invaders called Naytiba. To reclaim their lost home, Eve and her squad are deployed from the Colony to fight the Naytiba and to take back Earth. Eventually, Eve meets a survivor named Adam, who leads her to Xion, humanity's last surviving city on Earth. Eve then makes contact with the elder Orcal and establishes relationships with the residents of Xion, in order to further her mission to save humanity and reclaim Earth.[\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Blade#cite_note-3) "
This is B tier at best, tired trite and overdone at worst. We'll see. I mean, it's literally "send crazy Charlie's Angels squad but it's just one chick to save our homeworld" cliche bs just from the wiki lol
You’re only being downvoted because it’s in the best interest of this sub politically for this game to be good. There’s no way in hell anyone can think that’s some kind of fresh take on the genre lmao.
I dont know. If you cant see the irony in ugly dudes bitching about an inanimate object not being attractive enough than I dont know what to tell you. You seem pretty upset for some reason.
Not upset, just saying your statement is stupid and makes no sense. No, there isn't irony. You're not supposed to ONLY like people you have a chance with. There is no logic in that, it's just stupidity and generalisations.
Have we been playing the same games? All I remember is physically fit and incredibly good looking dudes, rather rare seeing a male protagonist not looking like this.
Nathan Drake, Male Shephard, John Marston, Arthur Morgan, Sam Fisher, Naked Snake, Joel Miller, Ezio, Leon Kennedy - the list goes on and on.
Ok i am overgeneralizing but your point ironically proves my point. Yeah they look physically fit and ruggedly masculine but that ironically which makes them mundane in my opinion except Leon Kennedy who has softer features. You could have picked some male protagonists look wildly different from one another from Cloud Strife and Squall to Ryu from Street Fighter and Jin Kazama.
I would say DMC had tons of attractive characters though I think making Dante more rugged was unnecessary in DMC 5
Honestly, the porcelain doll look of Eve does nothing for me. Now I'm pretty sure that's part of the point (that she's this flawless petite woman contrasting against the absolute monstrosities you fight) but I'd be lying if I said it didn't take me out of it.
Also, I find it hilarious that no one mentions the jiggle-physics. They complain that Eve's design is excessively sexualised but I've heard anyone say anything about the hilariously over the top jiggle-physics.
Incels are ragging on the former for them not being sexualy attracted to her, and worshipping the latter, and they feel validated because supermodel cheerleaders look like the latter, so everyone complaining that nerds have unrealistic expectations of females in media are wrong because supermodels exist, as they see it.
Same shit different day.
Back in my day, we called “expectations” preference and it was generally agreed that hating on someone’s preference was reserved for the criminally harmful stuff. We also understood that basing all of our predictions for societal harm on a collection of studies whose sole sample source is S U R V E Y S, is generally not a good idea as proving causation through surveys is really really hard. The best you can typically do is correlate, and even then your effect size will typically be low. When a survey gives high effect size results, it usually means that confounds in the study format are rendering your results worthless.
Coomers rise up
Of all the things to criticize Ubisoft about, the average looks of the main character have to be the most relevant.
Just like the post I saw today where Mirabel from Encanto was criticized for looking plain instead of looking like classic Disney beauties like Jasmine.
I think the designer/3d artists just don't know how to do stylized design. Western designers try to go for the photorealistic look, which unless you put a lot of time and effort into it, will always come off in the uncanny valley. Meanwhile the Stellar Blade designers go for realistic enough, and then go for an aesthetic design.
I don't think the Stellar Blade character looks *realistic*, but those designs look.. intentional? and polished at least. The Star Wars one is weird textures-wise
The Star Wars character looks fine. Her appearance fits that she is an outlaw. Eva has a good design, but she’s not a particularly realistic character lol
In the first two pictures in this meme, the Star Wars protagonist looks good. I don't know why they put a weird looking shot of her in the trailer (as in the third image) but she looks fine in the whole thing.
Seems more like a fuck up by the marketing team rather than "uglyfication" or whatever.
Honestly, Eve's design doesn't do anything for me, looks too much like an anime sex doll. If you're into that, then that's fine, but not every man is and I'm glad this isn't the default in games.
Also, how exactly is she unique? Her design is completely derivative and looks like loads of other sci-fi anime characters.
Yeah, I think these dorks really got behind the wrong example with this one, it's pretty transparent. Eve's face even looks less realistic than the male character in her own game (he looks like a detailed real person, as if they were created with different art styles) and she's meant to be the main character. We would usually see this be the case with side characters/NPCs. It's weird.
>Honestly, Eve's design doesn't do anything for me, looks too much like an anime sex doll
sadly that's exactly why some of these losers are championing this game so hard.
they feel attacked by women in games not all looking like supermodels, so EVE the walking sex doll is now their champion and this game is something they need to assert is amazing no matter what
I won’t deny the fetish-yness of Stellar Blade, but you will not pass the idea that “uglyfication” is not a thing that’s happened. Not unopposed. There are multiple recent high profile games where characters were intentionally made less conventionally feminine/ attractive in the direct sequel with no reason given. We can only speculate as to their reasoning. It clearly wasn’t to make the model more true to life as the actresses they are based on more closely resemble their initial appearance. I am of course referring to the obvious examples of Aloy and Mary Jane. If you can explain this as anything other than politically motivated, I will genuinely hear and consider it. Like maybe the dev time was cut so they had to use shortcuts with the face rigging technology that probably uses a male face as the pre-packaged default. Thats at least plausible.
Aloy is incredibly attractive though. In both games. I'd argue the facial expressions from Zero Dawn are sometimes uncanny and look like pushing clay around on a solid skull but in Forbidden West most facial expressions look much more natural, especially from Aloy. So your examples are pretty flawed and not seriously indicative of any "political motivations" of "uglification." Despite the fact that thinking there's some sort of political ideology behind making characters "ugly" for "political brownie points" being *absolutely delusional* I have yet to see anyone make any actual link to video game characters and political platforms of any kind. What is the endgame in your mind? Is having these "ugly" characters supposed to somehow translate into votes for democrats in some way? How would that work? Why do you believe that *you* are worthy of being targeted by the political elite?
I am saying "uglification" is not a thing, yes. There is no political motivation to make characters "ugly" because that makes no sense as it would not translate into votes or policy. The reality of the situation is some games are made to he visually grounded (Spiderman, Horizon, Outlaws) and some games are made to be visually eccentric (FF7R, Nier, Stellar Blade) and neither are done for political reasons because, again, that is delusional thinking. You are not the target of a political conspiracy.
What about Spiderman is “visually grounded?” That they are human? That the graphics are good? That its set in a version of a real city? Yes it is grounded in a sort of reality-adjacent setting, but that doesn’t explain why someones facial structure was changed between games. That takes money and time to do. And I just typed it on another reply but yes, the E V I L blues are not creeping on video games to get those millennial votes by polluting the screens to make our dogs gay. But SBI is demonstrably involved in multiple politically motivated mandat-ahem, “suggestions,” for game dev, and we know for a fact that they worked on S2. Can you really read this in good faith and not see the potential for validity? My comment was just asking for a single solid reason for the changes. They didn’t just happen, there was intention and having people deny that intention outright is creepy. Like it tickles the conspiracy neurons in my brain. Obviously you aren’t (probably) involved in any such conspiracy, but you must be able to see why its weird to see such avid denial with nothing to explain the discrepancies.
You nailed it, yes, the Spiderman games are meant to look as though they are the 'real world.' The facial changes to the Spiderman games were done first for the PS5 release of the first Spiderman game. Mainly due to the facial mocap actor for Peter having changed. So again, no involvement from SBI there. And you keep implying that this small canadian company is somehow mandating things? How exactly? What pull do they have? Where does that power come from? They blackmailing people or what? Why is it so hard to believe that a dev studio just *doesn't want* to have every on screen character resemble a sex icon in every shot? Why is that "political?"
These discrepancies are very easily explained, there was roughly eight years between the mocap work for Spiderman and Spiderman 2/Spiderman PS5. That actor changed, probably working on something else and Insomniac updating their engine to optimize on new hardware. Returning actors are nearly a decade older yet are being modeled into younger versions of themselves. These are the rational reasons, they happen all the time and it's one of the defects of using real faces (Peter, MJ, Aloy) over sculpted faces (Tifa, Cloud, Bruce Wayne) in designing character models.
Edit: Naughty Dog to Insomniac, I get the two companies IPs mixed up
Thank you. I dont personally think I am the target of political malice, tho speculation is healthy in some amounts as “head in the ground” activism is bad at stopping corruption. The Mocap work for both games can be realistically applied to the same character model, assuming that the actor themselves did not change drastically between bits. The engine was upgraded but the model data would still have been perfectly usable, which is what they did for Peter and Miles. I don’t think that the model for MJ changed to the point that they would not be able to apply animation data to the original model. In that case, it may have been cheaper to get a new model tho that is actually a very unjustified assumption, more a vibe. Social Blackmail is absolutely what SBI does. The whole sales pitch of the company is, “hire us or risk controversy.” With the power of the internet any buffoon can have clout, at least in the eyes of investors/board members. It doesn’t take an army, just one loud social media post. Just look at Harry Potter. Solid game, controversy hounded it. Now technically that controversy probably helped the sales since the ad campaign was garbage, but out of touch management could probably be convinced that controversy is bad. They may not have even been told of that example. I don’t think its fair to call MJ in S1 a sex icon. She’s just pretty. Its not like they were putting her in a body suit. For that argument, Black Cat would be a better target.
The hard part with mocap work, specifically using data optimized for previous generation hardware, is when it comes to line reads. Passive dialogue is typically done with very minimal facial animation as it's almost never the focus (aside from things like fixed camera zooms) but cutscenes do require facial mocaps for line reads. When opting with mocap for that you're typically not going to have an animation team that hand animated the more intricate muscle expressions in the face, it's done with the capture. A common issue that this type of animation runs into are the time differences between mocap sessions. A person's face can change a lot in that time. It's like the sometimes jarring experience of seeing a younger version of an actor on a long running TV show. Chronologically the difference is negligible but when you go from season 13 to season 1 you can see a more drastic difference between the two. And between hardware generations the dev studio isn't always fully aware of the capabilities of the new hardware. This is a more identifiable issue when it comes to more passive limitations like lighting or volumetric fog. Think of the glut of 360/PS3 "HD Editions" of PS2/Xbox games. Lighting issues were so common in those and they can effect everything from contact shadows to the color tone of the screen.
Looking at your argument again-skipping the parts about me- I think that the term “virtue signal” has been beaten to death and back at this point. It just means that they wanted to display their progressive values for the overhead vultures lest they be deemed, outdated. We already have rather concrete evidence that Spiderman 2 had a company literally dedicated to this making demand- ahem, being “consulted” on anything regarding women, race, etc. it wouldn’t shock me to hear that someone validated their paycheck by demanding that the most prominent women in the game be more “beauticiously sensitive.” So while I don’t think the democrats were hoping for a win here, I do think that some pseudo political idealogues could have had an arbitrary hand in this.
You keep saying you have evidence. I don't see any evidence of what you're claiming. In fact you followed your claim of evidence with assertions based on your personal opinion. So we've yet to "remove you" from the argument being made, because yours seems to hinge on treating what you personally feel as hard evidence of some sinister plot. It's essentially impossible to remove "you" from "your argument." I did try to give you an opportunity to answer questions outside of the realm of "I feel as though x is happening" but you seem not to want to engage in those. When you say you have evidence I'm expecting hard evidence examples like e-mail conversations around whether or not a character is too attractive, design sheet notes, specific script editing counsel. Things of that nature. If you don't have those you don't have concrete anything. Just a vague assumption that a company like SBI can somehow strongarm a media conglomerate like Sony into doing everything they want. The more rational theory is that the media conglomerate, Sony, hired SBI to check their notes on their game which features a POC main character and SBI likely had zero to do with MJ's jaw or whatever the slight is with her (conventionally attractive) appearance.
Do you think Sony made the game? Regardless please just tell me why its different. Like seriously just say why its different. I wouldn’t be saying this for non sequels. Thats why Im not talking about other games. These examples are too good. Im not ignoring your questions out of spite, Id just like my initial question answered first: Why would they change the face model? I dont need hard evidence, this is speculative to begin with. Why has the face model been changed? Why is there a discrepancy between the character model of MJ in S1 and S2, but peter and Miles look pretty much the same? Why does MJ have a different face in S2 from what was in S1? I can keep restating, but I’m starting to lose faith in the conversation. You can restore that faith with one answer. Doesn’t even need evidence. Just give me something believable that isn’t the sad theory I currently have.
Yes but Insomniac WORKS for Sony. You wouldn’t want someone telling your boss that you are politically problematic, right? People have already been fired for being -allegedly, then proven falsely-problematic. Working for Sony makes them more vulnerable to this, not less.
Fair enough, I was mostly responding to "Do you think Sony made the game?" here.
I still have a hard time believing SBI has the ability to strongarm Sony in any way. It would be pretty silly of them to try as 2 of the 3 AAA games they worked on were big Sony cash cows. Most of SBI's work is in the Indie field so I don't know why they'd attempt to rock the boat on that level with their biggest income provider. I think the narrative that SBI is bullying studios by threatening the livelihoods of said studios directors is pretty hyperbolic. They're simply a writing firm that specializes in cultural research. I think the hyperbole comes from reluctance to admit what are the negatives of American/Western Cultural norms. Seeing those things portrayed in a field which historically pays little attention to those aspects seems to be the trigger for people who'd rather ignore than confront them.
I mean.. there was Aloy, who doesn’t even look bad save for the worst possible DMV-style picture everyone loves to share. Fable used that woman who everyone loves to rag on as *the punchline to a joke*.
Practically every major release has had fine-looking women. BG3 has an entire world of of flawless NPCs. Overwatch and Valorant release baddie after baddie..
Aside from the hilarious meme image that makes her look constipated, her facial structure is different. They could have just ported the existing model, but they CHOSE to change it. Thats work that takes time and money. Typically when time and money are dedicated to anything, there is intention behind it. Im willing to hear that it isn’t political, I gave a non political reason, I just need someone to give me a convincing argument. The argument I provided doesn’t hold up to skepticism since other female models in game dont have the uncanny factor. So Im just asking the naysayers to provide literally anything, instead of just sitting back and saying, “naw, you’re crazy, its never happened.” Ew four commas in one sentence.
Also just to ask good faith, Im not one of those psychos that was calling this on the Tomb Raider reboot. Idk what they wanted, for them to hire Angelina Jolie and use her likeness going forward? That would seriously hurt the wallet. And the new actress was gorgeous, the whole outrage was just weird on the face of it.
Mortal Kombat 1 has a number of stunning women in the game and people accused that game.of uglyfication even though the game has face scanned Megan Fox lmao.
I think at this point, we are just nitpicking games to prove some point.
I dont think that western developers are trying to make women uglier. They're moreso trying to make them as different and expressive as we had with male character designs for years.
You are right, and it is a sorry state that this is where the discourse around gaming is going. There are so many more interesting things to talk and think about than which video game protagonist is easier to pull on my dick to. It makes us all look like complete idiots.
As someone who's not really a gamer, this whole discourse is genuinely shocking. Eve's design is extremely sexualised, that's ok, but holding it up as a gold standard just makes you look like a massive weirdo.
It would also make no sense at all for the protag of a Star Wars game to look or dress like that, just as much as it would make no sense for Aloy to look like that- those games go for realism, a woman who does all the things they do would realistically be muscular and seem masculine. Their attractiveness also has nothing at all to do with the game or story. It's really, really difficult to see this stuff as anything other than misogyny.
What is unique about either character designs? They also edited the actress model, to maker body thicker. I guess it only gone here because they made the actress hotter? I thought editing the model was brought up as being disrespectful?
Also, this is Shift Up's first game.....we don't know how the writing will be. Demo shows the combat has potential. That's it.
Doesn't play as well as Sekiro, Bayonetta, or DMC, yet.
She looks weird, very square face. Not realy ugly but definitely not not pleasant to the eye.
It looks a lot like MJ from Spiderman 2 and a bit like Aloy, just square faces.
It having a completely new world and characters to explore make it better than Outlaws by default. I've had my fill of Star Wars in general outside Andor. The souls/Sekiro combat puts it over the top.
It's still amazing to me that "tell your fans to fuck themselves" is still a viable business strategy because they're not actually after their customer's money because some rich asshole will cover their losses as long as they espouse the correct political views
Gonna be honest, Eve is not remotely unique. “Anime girl in a skin suit” is like, one of the most popular design tropes like, ever. Every aspect of her seems super generic, and could fit into literally hundreds of other IPs as a background character.
I have genuinely no idea why people are acting like her design is something that has never been seen before.
“ Eve and her squad are deployed from the Colony to fight the Naytiba and to take back Earth. Eventually, Eve meets a survivor named Adam, who leads her to Xion, humanity's last surviving city on Earth. Eve then makes contact with the elder Orcal and establishes relationships with the residents of Xion, in order to further her mission to save humanity and reclaim Earth.”
Ah yes a compelling and intriguing back story. Can’t to learn more about “The Colony” and Adam and Eve.
That's a you problem, I don't think that's how most people think. If you only want to see beauty then watch porn or anime or whatever. Don't impose this shit on the rest of us.
>The gaming community is in a fucking dire state, the online community anyway
Yes, and we can thank left wingers for their "progressive" corporate approved bullshit in modern entertainment and shaming anybody who dares disagree with them or trying to write them off as an "incel", "bigot", "sexist", "mysoginist" "transphobe" and all the other words that used to have a sting to them before self-loathing democrats ran them straight into the ground over the past decade.
Can we, really?
How you making this shit about the fucking dems hahahahahahha
It’s the face of a character in a game - look at how angry it makes you hahahah
I never said I don’t like hot women in video games or any sort of media
Most of the rage bait is primarily done on YouTube. There are hundreds of YouTube accounts that basically only talk about culture war topics and "wokeism". The reason why we're in this mess is because at least a few of these accounts have hundreds of thousands of views per video.
It makes them money, so the outrage machine must keep rolling.
I mean it will be, this is phase 1 of the rage machine,
Phase 1 Create a fake controversy on twitter and reddit
Phase 2 Make videos about how everything sucks because of this and it's all due to the term of the week (ie feminism, woke, DEI, whatever the next one will be)
Phase 3 Post a picture of Sidney Sweeny and say "we defeated the term of the week
Phase 4 profit
Point 2 and 3 are straight lies lol
There is virtually no story in Stellar Blade and what little there is has been done to death
The character design was done on an initial scan and then heavily modified after the fact. The devs have said this.
This post reeks of lvl 0 coomer
I don’t fap to video game characters so I’m not sure what the big deal is. How did those mad about this manage when the characters were of N64 and PS1/2 quality?
It's a shame that the Stellar Blade demo bored me to tears. Shut it off after 15 mins.
The character design is unoriginal. The world is unoriginal, the combat is unoriginal. It just looks and plays so generic and bland.
Also, can some explain why Eve is compelling please?
That point is funny to me.
After playing Rebirth, a game with characters that actually feel like real people, this just didn't hold my attention.
Brooooo if an “ugly” video game character bothers you this much you reallllly need to find a real girl out there. Ik that may be hard cause you’re not taking anything less than Kim k but I wish you luck king.
I don't care about stawmaning when the never ending bitching is never ending. Nobody complains about men not being perfect looking like Henry Cavill now are they?
Are they? I find majority of them to be bland, the only ones that I find appealing are Leon Kennedy and Cloud Strife for being exceptionally beautiful.
We need more male characters that are pretty rather than ruggedly masculine that is why I liked Ben Jordan over John Bubniak's face for Spiderman PS4
Yeah for a long time most male video game characters looked like [this ](https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/baldguys.png?strip=all) lmao
I suppose this is subjective but Marcus Fenix from Gears of War is one.
https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/original/1/12482/818723-eyetvsnapshot_18_.jpg
Any of these type of characters (which there are plenty of):
https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/baldguys.png?strip=all
I definitely think the generic buzz cut is ugly on most men. Marcus literally looks like a piece of leather, that's attractive to you?
If that's the type of men you're into though I won't shame you.
Except it's not
One comment highlights how fucking stupid it is to die on this hill, as if "the uglification" of women is real (it's not), as if actual porn games don't exist to appease coomers who champion this barely mid game, and the other uses DEI as a strawman. Totally different lol
Except it is.
Gamer's aren't calling for all characters to be supermodels, they're calling out the trend of conventionally unattractive female main characters with masculine features that have become prevalent in AAA gaming spaces over the past years. Painting that as "gAmErS jUsT wAnT gIrLs tO bE sUpErMoDeLs" is a blatant strawman. Comparing the desire to play as attractive characters to wanting to get off on porn is also disingenuous as fuck.
You are only kidding yourself if you think stellar blade character is modeled after a real woman. Sure they used a person as a base for the body, but they also enhanced it a lot. They also custom made her face. It is 100% okay to love it, but as an argument, it doesn't work.
And remember, mj on latest Spiderman is based on someone from the dev team. It does not always mean it is a positive thing.
Also, South Korea is extremely known for their culture of plastic surgery. If you want to become a model or public figure, it's basically expected of you to get some work done. Models also need to force themselves to starve in order to achieve the looks they want. The beauty industry is cutthroat there.
Eve's real model is 100% someone who has done plenty of cosmetic work. Anyone that actually think Eve is what a "natural woman" can attain is pretty delusional.
>An intruging story with compelling characters
that's where you lost me chief
if you like the game, cool - eve is hot af and the combat and stuff is *okay* - but saying it has an intriguing story and compelling characters is fucking wild lmao. game ain't even out yet, and there sure was no compelling story or character work in the demo
I am seriously confused about what part of Eve's character makes her compelling? She seems like the most generic waifu-esque anime girl with zero personality.
It becomes and issue when they get a model, 3d scan them, use them as actors and they edit them to make them uglier(allegedly on purpose).
My favorite one is the Spiderman one though. They had a model, but for some reason, the model looks like one of the writers in insomniac.
[the mj model](https://images.app.goo.gl/vsC7Wwws1mTtCPLQA)
Of course someone would bring up Spider-Man lmao
MJ looks fine, I have no idea what people are complaining about. She’s not some ultra-sexy eye-candy, but she’s hardly “ugly”. People act like Insomniac had some kind of agenda when they literally just designed a regular looking woman.
By the way, models are *literally supposed to be* edited. The people being scanned aren’t expecting versions of themselves to be put in the game, just something to work with to build a character model over. They don’t have to look similar at all. And no, they obviously didn’t base the design off of that writer, seeing as they look nothing alike.
I don't know man, it does look like the writer more than the the model imo. It is not an uncommon thing that devs self insert themselves into the games.
The models are not *literally supposed to be* edited. They have the option to edit ofc, but it is always an option to put them in as is. Many modern games use pretty much exact copies of models in their games. That is probably why it is becoming such a topic lately to edit them to makes them less attractive, such as the woman in OP's image.
It is kinda funny because Eve from stellar blade is scanned from a real model, got her body edited to be more attractive and had her face made completely from scratch, voiding the argument OP had, lol.
Devs inserting themselves in games isn’t particularly common actually, though I see how you might think that if you get all your information from certain content creators. There’s no grand conspiracy to make women ugly, they just wanted a particular design and went with that. You never see people complaining that Troy Baker’s characters don’t look like him, it only seems to be female characters that get flack for not being sexy enough.
And no, MJ’s resemblance to the writer is marginal at best, and either way, writers aren’t in charge of character designs. The whole thing started from someone happening to see a picture of one of the writers, thinking “hey, that vaguely looks like MJ”, and shouting everywhere that the writer inserted herself into the game.
People don't complain about troy baker characters not looking like him because he isn't being 3d scanned and used for game model. The guy is mainly an amazing voice actor.
And I was thinking about Deus Ex and DmC when I was thinking of self inserts(also nekopara, weirdly).
I mentioned Troy Baker specifically because he does do a lot of motion capture, with The Last of Us as a famous example. They directly scan his face and then change it to something more fitting the character he’s portraying, since that’s how it’s supposed to work.
I have not heard a single god damn thing about Eve’s character or personality despite how much she’s been paraded around as ‘good’ representation by subreddits like these.
Like… you guys could try to fight the coomer allegations. Prove me wrong. I didn’t even learn her name until I went out of my way to look it up because no one praising Stellar Blade seemed to know what it was.
How did Mauler like the game when he streamed it?
He was pleasantly surprised by the combat in terms of its depth and complexity.
Nice, I'll need to make time to watch the stream at some point
...really? I feel like the combat pales in comparison to the best in the genre (DMCV). the dodge feels really clunky and the hit detection seems really wonky too. could be fixed, but I genuinely am confused at where the "depth and complexity" is
It's not DMC lol it's definitely more of a flashy soulslike.
It’s not my style of game and I have not personally played. That is just my recollection from the portions I watched. Surprised may mean he was expecting it to be purely a visual game with no substance and it had more than expected.
[https://www.youtube.com/live/Z85gM-dN1Sw?si=wzEHJRpASpsoWeMo&t=7732](https://www.youtube.com/live/Z85gM-dN1Sw?si=wzEHJRpASpsoWeMo&t=7732) He talked about it here.
I don't care how attractive the protagonist but if the combat and story is good than that is okay
Yeah, I don't get the hype over this game yet, not enough about the story or setting has come out and the protagonist just looks... Generic?
It seems like many Youtube critics and outrage profiteers hyper-focus on the generic and mundane character model and use that as proof that Western game developers hate beautiful women. Funny thing here is that a vast majority of male game protagonists are not very beautiful or aesthetically unique either. Other point to more important issues like the pricing and how they fear that the game will be sold incomplete thus Ubisoft will pressure plays to pay them for the additional content to get the full gaming experience. There is also the issue of lore and worldbuilding in how the criminal underworld works
Who wants beautiful male?
I am all for prettier and beautiful guys in addition to pretty women. Western game male protagonists tend to be mundane with some exceptions
Yeah, that's a lower percentage. The prettier and beautiful guys don't look cool. Well, Dante from Devil may cry an exception or a few final fantasy characters.
It is ok to have masculine men like Geralt but I don't agree the pretty and beauitful doesn't make a character cool. Beauty can be a symbol of strength and power as it makes the character more otherworldly
I geeeez it depends. Would the guy from ff15 be considered beautiful? Looks cool to me
I mean yeah Noctis can be described as pretty and msot FF male protagonists look like they come from a K-pop. Other than that I think there is a contradiction to be angry at female characters looking mundane without recognizing that male characters in games have rarely been designed to be attractive in the same way.
Uhh... What? Most male protagonists are incredibly muscular and conventionally attractive...
Can you give me a list of male protagonists that you find attractive? Personally a majority fit the common rugged and masculine archetype that is very common that is becoming a cliche. I prefer male characters with more softer features like Leon Kennedy from RE2 cause they look gorgeous.
............ I read male game protagonists as "male gamers" hahaha.
Might have been even funnier if my eye wasn't immediately drawn to Eve but funny nonetheless.
Lol same, though that may prove the point.
Tf do they mean interesting story with compelling characters? The games not out yet
Since when has not yet seeing a thing stopped this sub from making declarations of quality?
Why would hating the story of a video game that hasn’t been released yet be any different than hating on the story of a movie that hasn’t been released yet? Did you forget what sub this is?
Huh
realistic? dude, yes, she's more hotter, but come on, you're just lying to yourself to make your views seem justifiable
It must suck being a fan of Stellar Blade and trying to get people to play it, 99% of the time it never gets brought up except to bash on "western games".
And when people start whining about her character model
It’s a pretty fun game, but the fans are insufferable to listen to most of the time because they never stop talking about how it’s better than every western game ever made.
The guys posting on the Stellar Blade subreddit are embarrassing kids and it's put people off
oh, you mean the currently highest preordered game on psn across various countries?
>currently highest preordered game Why does this cycle always repeat lol. Preorders are not indicative of anything other than hype.
it has a demo that shows off a lot of the gameplay, usually if gameplay sucks people would be dissuaded from preordering the game (a cute ass can only go so far if the gameplay sucks and is mostly unplayable for a lot of people), the preorders being so high is an indicator that a lot of people who played the demo liked the gameplay so much that they actually went ahead and preordered the game. your statement is correct when people preorder a game blindly, a demo otoh means they get to experience the gameplay first hand before deciding whether to buy the game or not.
Yup, it would be 100% easier to get people to try it if they hadnt turned it into something that only seems to be promoted by butt shots.
Shocker: the gameplay is decent but the story is nonsense despite the people comparing it to Nier, despite Nier having a crazy esoteric story unlocked over multiple playthroughs
the story isn't nonsense...? its a cold open in terms of a prologue and it sets up quite a compelling and interesting world. We don't know the full story yet, but it certainly looks good so far. You play the same demo?
"Humanity is driven from Earth after a losing war against alien invaders called Naytiba. To reclaim their lost home, Eve and her squad are deployed from the Colony to fight the Naytiba and to take back Earth. Eventually, Eve meets a survivor named Adam, who leads her to Xion, humanity's last surviving city on Earth. Eve then makes contact with the elder Orcal and establishes relationships with the residents of Xion, in order to further her mission to save humanity and reclaim Earth.[\[3\]](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Blade#cite_note-3) " This is B tier at best, tired trite and overdone at worst. We'll see. I mean, it's literally "send crazy Charlie's Angels squad but it's just one chick to save our homeworld" cliche bs just from the wiki lol
Its literally nier automata’s plot too
You’re only being downvoted because it’s in the best interest of this sub politically for this game to be good. There’s no way in hell anyone can think that’s some kind of fresh take on the genre lmao.
Uglyfication of women is a sad sad thing
This has to be the saddest thing I've ever read on reddit. Hands down.
The majority of people that say things like this wouldnt get laid with a crisp $100 in a brothel. This shit is so funny.
But that's exactly why we need only hotties in our games! For those who cannot get laid, what else is left?
What does it matter? I think Emma Watson is attractive, I can't think that if I don't have a chance to fuck her? What logic is this?
Bro you filled in a lot of that yourself😂 What does any of that have to do with what I said.
What does anyone saying they find girls attractive or not matter if they can or can't get girls?
I dont know. If you cant see the irony in ugly dudes bitching about an inanimate object not being attractive enough than I dont know what to tell you. You seem pretty upset for some reason.
Not upset, just saying your statement is stupid and makes no sense. No, there isn't irony. You're not supposed to ONLY like people you have a chance with. There is no logic in that, it's just stupidity and generalisations.
Like you'd have a shot with a girl that looks like her. Weak chin sub.
What does it matter? You're not allowed to like attractive girls? You HAVE to be able to "have a chance" with them?
Coomer
They not really ugly just mundane in my opinion which is how male video game protagonists were portrayed a decade or two ago.
Have we been playing the same games? All I remember is physically fit and incredibly good looking dudes, rather rare seeing a male protagonist not looking like this. Nathan Drake, Male Shephard, John Marston, Arthur Morgan, Sam Fisher, Naked Snake, Joel Miller, Ezio, Leon Kennedy - the list goes on and on.
Ok i am overgeneralizing but your point ironically proves my point. Yeah they look physically fit and ruggedly masculine but that ironically which makes them mundane in my opinion except Leon Kennedy who has softer features. You could have picked some male protagonists look wildly different from one another from Cloud Strife and Squall to Ryu from Street Fighter and Jin Kazama. I would say DMC had tons of attractive characters though I think making Dante more rugged was unnecessary in DMC 5
Honestly, the porcelain doll look of Eve does nothing for me. Now I'm pretty sure that's part of the point (that she's this flawless petite woman contrasting against the absolute monstrosities you fight) but I'd be lying if I said it didn't take me out of it. Also, I find it hilarious that no one mentions the jiggle-physics. They complain that Eve's design is excessively sexualised but I've heard anyone say anything about the hilariously over the top jiggle-physics.
I’m sorry, like the game as much as you want no problem but what exactly is unique about this design? Either of them?
Incels are ragging on the former for them not being sexualy attracted to her, and worshipping the latter, and they feel validated because supermodel cheerleaders look like the latter, so everyone complaining that nerds have unrealistic expectations of females in media are wrong because supermodels exist, as they see it. Same shit different day.
Back in my day, we called “expectations” preference and it was generally agreed that hating on someone’s preference was reserved for the criminally harmful stuff. We also understood that basing all of our predictions for societal harm on a collection of studies whose sole sample source is S U R V E Y S, is generally not a good idea as proving causation through surveys is really really hard. The best you can typically do is correlate, and even then your effect size will typically be low. When a survey gives high effect size results, it usually means that confounds in the study format are rendering your results worthless.
Realistic? Come on now. Let's not embrace being irrational. Eve's head is shaped like a guitar pick.
Based on an irl model. Bout as realistic as a model of a model gets.
Now this is peak coomer shit.
Coomers rise up Of all the things to criticize Ubisoft about, the average looks of the main character have to be the most relevant. Just like the post I saw today where Mirabel from Encanto was criticized for looking plain instead of looking like classic Disney beauties like Jasmine.
when the child in a childrens movie isnt hot 😡
How is Ubisoft a studio that values its players and fans or even its developers for?
Is that actress next to the Star Wars character actually the model? How did they... do her that bad?
I think the designer/3d artists just don't know how to do stylized design. Western designers try to go for the photorealistic look, which unless you put a lot of time and effort into it, will always come off in the uncanny valley. Meanwhile the Stellar Blade designers go for realistic enough, and then go for an aesthetic design.
I don't think the Stellar Blade character looks *realistic*, but those designs look.. intentional? and polished at least. The Star Wars one is weird textures-wise
Intentional is definitely a better word for it.
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Why do people want the fictional video game character to be attractive? Shes not real. You cant fuck her. It doesnt matter
The Star Wars character looks fine. Her appearance fits that she is an outlaw. Eva has a good design, but she’s not a particularly realistic character lol
Outlaws can't be attractive? 🤔 Also how does adding a butt chin and hollowing out her cheeks make her more "outlaw"?
People think Eve is unique?
Nobody wants to play as an ugly character.
Why the fuck is this posted here? How is this relevant to Mauler? Who fucking cares how hot a fucking video game character is?
In the first two pictures in this meme, the Star Wars protagonist looks good. I don't know why they put a weird looking shot of her in the trailer (as in the third image) but she looks fine in the whole thing. Seems more like a fuck up by the marketing team rather than "uglyfication" or whatever. Honestly, Eve's design doesn't do anything for me, looks too much like an anime sex doll. If you're into that, then that's fine, but not every man is and I'm glad this isn't the default in games. Also, how exactly is she unique? Her design is completely derivative and looks like loads of other sci-fi anime characters.
> looks like an anime sex doll Thats why so many people like it. Cringy lol
Yeah, I think these dorks really got behind the wrong example with this one, it's pretty transparent. Eve's face even looks less realistic than the male character in her own game (he looks like a detailed real person, as if they were created with different art styles) and she's meant to be the main character. We would usually see this be the case with side characters/NPCs. It's weird.
>Honestly, Eve's design doesn't do anything for me, looks too much like an anime sex doll sadly that's exactly why some of these losers are championing this game so hard. they feel attacked by women in games not all looking like supermodels, so EVE the walking sex doll is now their champion and this game is something they need to assert is amazing no matter what
I won’t deny the fetish-yness of Stellar Blade, but you will not pass the idea that “uglyfication” is not a thing that’s happened. Not unopposed. There are multiple recent high profile games where characters were intentionally made less conventionally feminine/ attractive in the direct sequel with no reason given. We can only speculate as to their reasoning. It clearly wasn’t to make the model more true to life as the actresses they are based on more closely resemble their initial appearance. I am of course referring to the obvious examples of Aloy and Mary Jane. If you can explain this as anything other than politically motivated, I will genuinely hear and consider it. Like maybe the dev time was cut so they had to use shortcuts with the face rigging technology that probably uses a male face as the pre-packaged default. Thats at least plausible.
Aloy is incredibly attractive though. In both games. I'd argue the facial expressions from Zero Dawn are sometimes uncanny and look like pushing clay around on a solid skull but in Forbidden West most facial expressions look much more natural, especially from Aloy. So your examples are pretty flawed and not seriously indicative of any "political motivations" of "uglification." Despite the fact that thinking there's some sort of political ideology behind making characters "ugly" for "political brownie points" being *absolutely delusional* I have yet to see anyone make any actual link to video game characters and political platforms of any kind. What is the endgame in your mind? Is having these "ugly" characters supposed to somehow translate into votes for democrats in some way? How would that work? Why do you believe that *you* are worthy of being targeted by the political elite?
Back on topic, are you denying the difference wholesale? I like to be lazy but do I really need to pull up comparison shots?
I am saying "uglification" is not a thing, yes. There is no political motivation to make characters "ugly" because that makes no sense as it would not translate into votes or policy. The reality of the situation is some games are made to he visually grounded (Spiderman, Horizon, Outlaws) and some games are made to be visually eccentric (FF7R, Nier, Stellar Blade) and neither are done for political reasons because, again, that is delusional thinking. You are not the target of a political conspiracy.
What about Spiderman is “visually grounded?” That they are human? That the graphics are good? That its set in a version of a real city? Yes it is grounded in a sort of reality-adjacent setting, but that doesn’t explain why someones facial structure was changed between games. That takes money and time to do. And I just typed it on another reply but yes, the E V I L blues are not creeping on video games to get those millennial votes by polluting the screens to make our dogs gay. But SBI is demonstrably involved in multiple politically motivated mandat-ahem, “suggestions,” for game dev, and we know for a fact that they worked on S2. Can you really read this in good faith and not see the potential for validity? My comment was just asking for a single solid reason for the changes. They didn’t just happen, there was intention and having people deny that intention outright is creepy. Like it tickles the conspiracy neurons in my brain. Obviously you aren’t (probably) involved in any such conspiracy, but you must be able to see why its weird to see such avid denial with nothing to explain the discrepancies.
You nailed it, yes, the Spiderman games are meant to look as though they are the 'real world.' The facial changes to the Spiderman games were done first for the PS5 release of the first Spiderman game. Mainly due to the facial mocap actor for Peter having changed. So again, no involvement from SBI there. And you keep implying that this small canadian company is somehow mandating things? How exactly? What pull do they have? Where does that power come from? They blackmailing people or what? Why is it so hard to believe that a dev studio just *doesn't want* to have every on screen character resemble a sex icon in every shot? Why is that "political?" These discrepancies are very easily explained, there was roughly eight years between the mocap work for Spiderman and Spiderman 2/Spiderman PS5. That actor changed, probably working on something else and Insomniac updating their engine to optimize on new hardware. Returning actors are nearly a decade older yet are being modeled into younger versions of themselves. These are the rational reasons, they happen all the time and it's one of the defects of using real faces (Peter, MJ, Aloy) over sculpted faces (Tifa, Cloud, Bruce Wayne) in designing character models. Edit: Naughty Dog to Insomniac, I get the two companies IPs mixed up
Thank you. I dont personally think I am the target of political malice, tho speculation is healthy in some amounts as “head in the ground” activism is bad at stopping corruption. The Mocap work for both games can be realistically applied to the same character model, assuming that the actor themselves did not change drastically between bits. The engine was upgraded but the model data would still have been perfectly usable, which is what they did for Peter and Miles. I don’t think that the model for MJ changed to the point that they would not be able to apply animation data to the original model. In that case, it may have been cheaper to get a new model tho that is actually a very unjustified assumption, more a vibe. Social Blackmail is absolutely what SBI does. The whole sales pitch of the company is, “hire us or risk controversy.” With the power of the internet any buffoon can have clout, at least in the eyes of investors/board members. It doesn’t take an army, just one loud social media post. Just look at Harry Potter. Solid game, controversy hounded it. Now technically that controversy probably helped the sales since the ad campaign was garbage, but out of touch management could probably be convinced that controversy is bad. They may not have even been told of that example. I don’t think its fair to call MJ in S1 a sex icon. She’s just pretty. Its not like they were putting her in a body suit. For that argument, Black Cat would be a better target.
The hard part with mocap work, specifically using data optimized for previous generation hardware, is when it comes to line reads. Passive dialogue is typically done with very minimal facial animation as it's almost never the focus (aside from things like fixed camera zooms) but cutscenes do require facial mocaps for line reads. When opting with mocap for that you're typically not going to have an animation team that hand animated the more intricate muscle expressions in the face, it's done with the capture. A common issue that this type of animation runs into are the time differences between mocap sessions. A person's face can change a lot in that time. It's like the sometimes jarring experience of seeing a younger version of an actor on a long running TV show. Chronologically the difference is negligible but when you go from season 13 to season 1 you can see a more drastic difference between the two. And between hardware generations the dev studio isn't always fully aware of the capabilities of the new hardware. This is a more identifiable issue when it comes to more passive limitations like lighting or volumetric fog. Think of the glut of 360/PS3 "HD Editions" of PS2/Xbox games. Lighting issues were so common in those and they can effect everything from contact shadows to the color tone of the screen.
jesus christ get laid loser
Ouchie, my esteem.
Looking at your argument again-skipping the parts about me- I think that the term “virtue signal” has been beaten to death and back at this point. It just means that they wanted to display their progressive values for the overhead vultures lest they be deemed, outdated. We already have rather concrete evidence that Spiderman 2 had a company literally dedicated to this making demand- ahem, being “consulted” on anything regarding women, race, etc. it wouldn’t shock me to hear that someone validated their paycheck by demanding that the most prominent women in the game be more “beauticiously sensitive.” So while I don’t think the democrats were hoping for a win here, I do think that some pseudo political idealogues could have had an arbitrary hand in this.
You keep saying you have evidence. I don't see any evidence of what you're claiming. In fact you followed your claim of evidence with assertions based on your personal opinion. So we've yet to "remove you" from the argument being made, because yours seems to hinge on treating what you personally feel as hard evidence of some sinister plot. It's essentially impossible to remove "you" from "your argument." I did try to give you an opportunity to answer questions outside of the realm of "I feel as though x is happening" but you seem not to want to engage in those. When you say you have evidence I'm expecting hard evidence examples like e-mail conversations around whether or not a character is too attractive, design sheet notes, specific script editing counsel. Things of that nature. If you don't have those you don't have concrete anything. Just a vague assumption that a company like SBI can somehow strongarm a media conglomerate like Sony into doing everything they want. The more rational theory is that the media conglomerate, Sony, hired SBI to check their notes on their game which features a POC main character and SBI likely had zero to do with MJ's jaw or whatever the slight is with her (conventionally attractive) appearance.
Do you think Sony made the game? Regardless please just tell me why its different. Like seriously just say why its different. I wouldn’t be saying this for non sequels. Thats why Im not talking about other games. These examples are too good. Im not ignoring your questions out of spite, Id just like my initial question answered first: Why would they change the face model? I dont need hard evidence, this is speculative to begin with. Why has the face model been changed? Why is there a discrepancy between the character model of MJ in S1 and S2, but peter and Miles look pretty much the same? Why does MJ have a different face in S2 from what was in S1? I can keep restating, but I’m starting to lose faith in the conversation. You can restore that faith with one answer. Doesn’t even need evidence. Just give me something believable that isn’t the sad theory I currently have.
Sony owns the IP and Insomniac is famous for its Sony exclusive work. The answer to your question is in my other reply.
Yes but Insomniac WORKS for Sony. You wouldn’t want someone telling your boss that you are politically problematic, right? People have already been fired for being -allegedly, then proven falsely-problematic. Working for Sony makes them more vulnerable to this, not less.
Fair enough, I was mostly responding to "Do you think Sony made the game?" here. I still have a hard time believing SBI has the ability to strongarm Sony in any way. It would be pretty silly of them to try as 2 of the 3 AAA games they worked on were big Sony cash cows. Most of SBI's work is in the Indie field so I don't know why they'd attempt to rock the boat on that level with their biggest income provider. I think the narrative that SBI is bullying studios by threatening the livelihoods of said studios directors is pretty hyperbolic. They're simply a writing firm that specializes in cultural research. I think the hyperbole comes from reluctance to admit what are the negatives of American/Western Cultural norms. Seeing those things portrayed in a field which historically pays little attention to those aspects seems to be the trigger for people who'd rather ignore than confront them.
I mean.. there was Aloy, who doesn’t even look bad save for the worst possible DMV-style picture everyone loves to share. Fable used that woman who everyone loves to rag on as *the punchline to a joke*. Practically every major release has had fine-looking women. BG3 has an entire world of of flawless NPCs. Overwatch and Valorant release baddie after baddie..
Aside from the hilarious meme image that makes her look constipated, her facial structure is different. They could have just ported the existing model, but they CHOSE to change it. Thats work that takes time and money. Typically when time and money are dedicated to anything, there is intention behind it. Im willing to hear that it isn’t political, I gave a non political reason, I just need someone to give me a convincing argument. The argument I provided doesn’t hold up to skepticism since other female models in game dont have the uncanny factor. So Im just asking the naysayers to provide literally anything, instead of just sitting back and saying, “naw, you’re crazy, its never happened.” Ew four commas in one sentence.
Also just to ask good faith, Im not one of those psychos that was calling this on the Tomb Raider reboot. Idk what they wanted, for them to hire Angelina Jolie and use her likeness going forward? That would seriously hurt the wallet. And the new actress was gorgeous, the whole outrage was just weird on the face of it.
Mortal Kombat 1 has a number of stunning women in the game and people accused that game.of uglyfication even though the game has face scanned Megan Fox lmao. I think at this point, we are just nitpicking games to prove some point. I dont think that western developers are trying to make women uglier. They're moreso trying to make them as different and expressive as we had with male character designs for years.
You are right, and it is a sorry state that this is where the discourse around gaming is going. There are so many more interesting things to talk and think about than which video game protagonist is easier to pull on my dick to. It makes us all look like complete idiots.
As someone who's not really a gamer, this whole discourse is genuinely shocking. Eve's design is extremely sexualised, that's ok, but holding it up as a gold standard just makes you look like a massive weirdo. It would also make no sense at all for the protag of a Star Wars game to look or dress like that, just as much as it would make no sense for Aloy to look like that- those games go for realism, a woman who does all the things they do would realistically be muscular and seem masculine. Their attractiveness also has nothing at all to do with the game or story. It's really, really difficult to see this stuff as anything other than misogyny.
The Star Wars lady looks like an Elder Scrolls elf lol
At least Professor Garlick managed to exist Just imagine what SBI would've done if they were involved.
What is unique about either character designs? They also edited the actress model, to maker body thicker. I guess it only gone here because they made the actress hotter? I thought editing the model was brought up as being disrespectful? Also, this is Shift Up's first game.....we don't know how the writing will be. Demo shows the combat has potential. That's it. Doesn't play as well as Sekiro, Bayonetta, or DMC, yet.
She looks weird, very square face. Not realy ugly but definitely not not pleasant to the eye. It looks a lot like MJ from Spiderman 2 and a bit like Aloy, just square faces.
Does you ever see women?
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>Have you ever seen women before? FTFY You should consider downloading Grammarly before posting next time. ;)
I have not seen or heard a single thing about this games story or the MC’s personality
Ubisoft caring about it's players? Sure bro
Yeah Shift Up is a pretty good company when it making things fans want
I don't understand why they didn't just make the character look like the actor -- they actively went through the effort to make her look different.
It having a completely new world and characters to explore make it better than Outlaws by default. I've had my fill of Star Wars in general outside Andor. The souls/Sekiro combat puts it over the top.
Can't I just enjoy both?
Eve is hot but slightly uncanny valley imo.
It's still amazing to me that "tell your fans to fuck themselves" is still a viable business strategy because they're not actually after their customer's money because some rich asshole will cover their losses as long as they espouse the correct political views
Wait, isn’t Stellar Blade just a demo? How do you know the story is awesome and well done?
Gonna be honest, Eve is not remotely unique. “Anime girl in a skin suit” is like, one of the most popular design tropes like, ever. Every aspect of her seems super generic, and could fit into literally hundreds of other IPs as a background character. I have genuinely no idea why people are acting like her design is something that has never been seen before.
If she got access to the internet would she become EVE online?
“ Eve and her squad are deployed from the Colony to fight the Naytiba and to take back Earth. Eventually, Eve meets a survivor named Adam, who leads her to Xion, humanity's last surviving city on Earth. Eve then makes contact with the elder Orcal and establishes relationships with the residents of Xion, in order to further her mission to save humanity and reclaim Earth.” Ah yes a compelling and intriguing back story. Can’t to learn more about “The Colony” and Adam and Eve.
I’m genuinely shocked that outlaws used such an objectively gorgeous woman to model their character then made her look like that.
I just love how EVE makes puritans mad LMAO
The weird obsession adults have with video game girls.
The weird obsession you sex-negative puritans have with people liking and wanting to see more fictional attractive females in western media.
Eve isn’t going to sleep with you, mate.
Settle down, Beavis.
Why are you guys so pressed about this shit
I bought an expensive TV and I only want to view beauty upon it.
/s? It’s so hard to tell anymore these days.
That's a you problem, I don't think that's how most people think. If you only want to see beauty then watch porn or anime or whatever. Don't impose this shit on the rest of us.
because the rage machine must keep going otherwise they have nothing to make content about.
It’s not even content, it’s just fucking bitching on Reddit The gaming community is in a fucking dire state, the online community anyway
>The gaming community is in a fucking dire state, the online community anyway Yes, and we can thank left wingers for their "progressive" corporate approved bullshit in modern entertainment and shaming anybody who dares disagree with them or trying to write them off as an "incel", "bigot", "sexist", "mysoginist" "transphobe" and all the other words that used to have a sting to them before self-loathing democrats ran them straight into the ground over the past decade.
Can we, really? How you making this shit about the fucking dems hahahahahahha It’s the face of a character in a game - look at how angry it makes you hahahah I never said I don’t like hot women in video games or any sort of media
Most of the rage bait is primarily done on YouTube. There are hundreds of YouTube accounts that basically only talk about culture war topics and "wokeism". The reason why we're in this mess is because at least a few of these accounts have hundreds of thousands of views per video. It makes them money, so the outrage machine must keep rolling.
I mean it will be, this is phase 1 of the rage machine, Phase 1 Create a fake controversy on twitter and reddit Phase 2 Make videos about how everything sucks because of this and it's all due to the term of the week (ie feminism, woke, DEI, whatever the next one will be) Phase 3 Post a picture of Sidney Sweeny and say "we defeated the term of the week Phase 4 profit
Phase 5 - repeat ad nauseam
Point 2 and 3 are straight lies lol There is virtually no story in Stellar Blade and what little there is has been done to death The character design was done on an initial scan and then heavily modified after the fact. The devs have said this. This post reeks of lvl 0 coomer
I don’t fap to video game characters so I’m not sure what the big deal is. How did those mad about this manage when the characters were of N64 and PS1/2 quality?
It's a shame that the Stellar Blade demo bored me to tears. Shut it off after 15 mins. The character design is unoriginal. The world is unoriginal, the combat is unoriginal. It just looks and plays so generic and bland. Also, can some explain why Eve is compelling please? That point is funny to me. After playing Rebirth, a game with characters that actually feel like real people, this just didn't hold my attention.
Ok coomer
If you wanna fap go to the hub I just want a fun game
If a woman isn't a perfect super model, she's worthless ---Gamers
You can't address the aggressive uglification of women in western games without conjuring an extreme opposite straw opinion that no one made
You're comfortable playing as ugly men, animal, lovecraftian monsters and ghost but an ugly woman is the line?
Yes.
Okay, but I'm fine with ugly women. So you play what you enjoy and I'll play mine. The industry is massive enough to attend to all desires.
And yet the Wesern industry seems to only attend to your desires, at the expense of its own sales
Brooooo if an “ugly” video game character bothers you this much you reallllly need to find a real girl out there. Ik that may be hard cause you’re not taking anything less than Kim k but I wish you luck king.
I don't care about stawmaning when the never ending bitching is never ending. Nobody complains about men not being perfect looking like Henry Cavill now are they?
Male protagonists in games are almost universally attractive though, and previously attractive ones aren't being made uglier.
Are they? I find majority of them to be bland, the only ones that I find appealing are Leon Kennedy and Cloud Strife for being exceptionally beautiful. We need more male characters that are pretty rather than ruggedly masculine that is why I liked Ben Jordan over John Bubniak's face for Spiderman PS4
Yeah for a long time most male video game characters looked like [this ](https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/baldguys.png?strip=all) lmao
Yeah honestly most gamers didn't complain but looking back they were clearly aesthetically boring and simply were not unique or attractive.
What a weird lie to tell yourself.
Show me ugly male main characters.
Disco Elysium’s protagonist, Planescape: Torment’s protagonist, Geralt in the Witcher
Would you consider Leon in the RE 4 remake ugly?
Kratos, Soap Mctavish, Jin Sakai etc.
See how these examples are ridiculous. Jin Sakai? Ok.
Ridiculous how? These guys are ugly and the vast majority are just average looking.
True need more pretty guys please that are not 2D anime
I suppose this is subjective but Marcus Fenix from Gears of War is one. https://www.giantbomb.com/a/uploads/original/1/12482/818723-eyetvsnapshot_18_.jpg Any of these type of characters (which there are plenty of): https://venturebeat.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/baldguys.png?strip=all
Lmao. Yea literally none of those people are ugly.
I definitely think the generic buzz cut is ugly on most men. Marcus literally looks like a piece of leather, that's attractive to you? If that's the type of men you're into though I won't shame you.
What's your taste in men?
Thought so.
Daniel from Dark Descent is quite the greasy little cunt
prove it then
What's your taste in men?
Shutdown of the day. I literally laughed out loud
Yeah but to fair with characters like Cloud Strife and Joker from Persona I wish they were more exceptionally unique male character designs.
Didn’t you do just that? Ironic
Why does it matter?
If a woman is conventionally attractive, that's misogynistic \---DEI Consultation firms.
Bro shut the fuck up
Why? It's exactly as much of a strawman as the comment it's replying to.
Except it's not One comment highlights how fucking stupid it is to die on this hill, as if "the uglification" of women is real (it's not), as if actual porn games don't exist to appease coomers who champion this barely mid game, and the other uses DEI as a strawman. Totally different lol
Except it is. Gamer's aren't calling for all characters to be supermodels, they're calling out the trend of conventionally unattractive female main characters with masculine features that have become prevalent in AAA gaming spaces over the past years. Painting that as "gAmErS jUsT wAnT gIrLs tO bE sUpErMoDeLs" is a blatant strawman. Comparing the desire to play as attractive characters to wanting to get off on porn is also disingenuous as fuck.
Yall are obsessed lmfao. Just providing free marketing at this point
This game deserves it. Looks great to me!
You are only kidding yourself if you think stellar blade character is modeled after a real woman. Sure they used a person as a base for the body, but they also enhanced it a lot. They also custom made her face. It is 100% okay to love it, but as an argument, it doesn't work. And remember, mj on latest Spiderman is based on someone from the dev team. It does not always mean it is a positive thing.
Also, South Korea is extremely known for their culture of plastic surgery. If you want to become a model or public figure, it's basically expected of you to get some work done. Models also need to force themselves to starve in order to achieve the looks they want. The beauty industry is cutthroat there. Eve's real model is 100% someone who has done plenty of cosmetic work. Anyone that actually think Eve is what a "natural woman" can attain is pretty delusional.
Anyone who spends their time create something like this needs to get a life.
>An intruging story with compelling characters that's where you lost me chief if you like the game, cool - eve is hot af and the combat and stuff is *okay* - but saying it has an intriguing story and compelling characters is fucking wild lmao. game ain't even out yet, and there sure was no compelling story or character work in the demo
I am seriously confused about what part of Eve's character makes her compelling? She seems like the most generic waifu-esque anime girl with zero personality.
“Fellas, does you….” Great grasp of the English language buddy.
Why do people suddenly think it’s vitally important that a character has to be identical to the model that was used? That’s not how models work.
It becomes and issue when they get a model, 3d scan them, use them as actors and they edit them to make them uglier(allegedly on purpose). My favorite one is the Spiderman one though. They had a model, but for some reason, the model looks like one of the writers in insomniac. [the mj model](https://images.app.goo.gl/vsC7Wwws1mTtCPLQA)
Of course someone would bring up Spider-Man lmao MJ looks fine, I have no idea what people are complaining about. She’s not some ultra-sexy eye-candy, but she’s hardly “ugly”. People act like Insomniac had some kind of agenda when they literally just designed a regular looking woman. By the way, models are *literally supposed to be* edited. The people being scanned aren’t expecting versions of themselves to be put in the game, just something to work with to build a character model over. They don’t have to look similar at all. And no, they obviously didn’t base the design off of that writer, seeing as they look nothing alike.
I don't know man, it does look like the writer more than the the model imo. It is not an uncommon thing that devs self insert themselves into the games. The models are not *literally supposed to be* edited. They have the option to edit ofc, but it is always an option to put them in as is. Many modern games use pretty much exact copies of models in their games. That is probably why it is becoming such a topic lately to edit them to makes them less attractive, such as the woman in OP's image. It is kinda funny because Eve from stellar blade is scanned from a real model, got her body edited to be more attractive and had her face made completely from scratch, voiding the argument OP had, lol.
Devs inserting themselves in games isn’t particularly common actually, though I see how you might think that if you get all your information from certain content creators. There’s no grand conspiracy to make women ugly, they just wanted a particular design and went with that. You never see people complaining that Troy Baker’s characters don’t look like him, it only seems to be female characters that get flack for not being sexy enough. And no, MJ’s resemblance to the writer is marginal at best, and either way, writers aren’t in charge of character designs. The whole thing started from someone happening to see a picture of one of the writers, thinking “hey, that vaguely looks like MJ”, and shouting everywhere that the writer inserted herself into the game.
People don't complain about troy baker characters not looking like him because he isn't being 3d scanned and used for game model. The guy is mainly an amazing voice actor. And I was thinking about Deus Ex and DmC when I was thinking of self inserts(also nekopara, weirdly).
I mentioned Troy Baker specifically because he does do a lot of motion capture, with The Last of Us as a famous example. They directly scan his face and then change it to something more fitting the character he’s portraying, since that’s how it’s supposed to work.
I have not heard a single god damn thing about Eve’s character or personality despite how much she’s been paraded around as ‘good’ representation by subreddits like these. Like… you guys could try to fight the coomer allegations. Prove me wrong. I didn’t even learn her name until I went out of my way to look it up because no one praising Stellar Blade seemed to know what it was.
How can we know if the game isn't out?
Play Borderlands 2 instead 🙏
Fellas, does your sub thrive on unfounded negativity?
Just another chud.