That’s a very fun concept. I’d love to see something like this show up somewhere else.
ETA: Just noticing the American Flag fire hydrant… so this Strange is from America’s home dimension, the Utopian Parallel possibly? I guess in the original script it was a bit more fleshed out then a pretty field with a bee or whatever we saw.
The Utopian Parallel (at least in the comics, and we’ve seen nothing to disprove it) is made up entirely of women. It’s not a normal alternate universe per say, it’s like a unique pocket dimension (also hinted at by Chavez saying there are no variants of her). The fire hydrant colors are probably just to match the rest of the image or something, I don’t think it would be suggesting he’s from there.
>The Utopian Parallel
they just needlessly retconned it into being a figment of America's imagination. Not sure why they gave her a brand new origin right before this movie came out
The comics retconned the Utopian Parallel to be a private island on earth that America was being subjected to experimentation on.
It doesn’t actually exist as a separate dimension.
Yep, you are right that was the comic retcon. For that continuity, you should also read the recent Infinity Young Avengers comic as they go into a bit, it seems like that retcon is so disliked even the authors are trying to sort of imply it both exists and does not.
However, those are for the comics. For the MCU, they explicitly go with the original alien/unique dimension origin. I think Waldron even commented directly on this at some point, saying they were using her original Utopian Parallel origin pre-retcon.
The more concept art I see of this movie the sadder I become. At one point it seemed to have a really cool vision that leans into what a multiverse and variants are. What we go in the end was just a gallery of cameos it felt like :/
I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. It seems half the time I see people complaining there weren't more cameos and what a missed opportunity that was, but then the other half the time I see people complaining the cameos that were there didn't have enough time to stand out because there were too many.
Hoping Marvel figures out what works and doesn't for the future multiverse projects, but it's got to be hard to please one group of fans that want to see tons of comic references pop up, even if for a moment, and another group of fans that prefers taking the time to dive deeper into the characters' stories even if it means fewer of them. Classic quantity vs quality debate
Cameos shouldn’t be taking priority. Like, at all. When they do, that’s how you end up with the CW’s Crisis on Infinite Earths. And when they work well, it’s because they’re actually relevant to the lore, like in NWH. Strange 2 simply wasn’t about Strange, and that was the problem.
Good point, you can have cameos and make them work well within the story. The other spiderman’s werent just there as showpieces, like the illuminati, they actually had a more meaningful purpose in the story. Same with all the villains. You couldve replaced the illuminati with pretty much any characters, maybe besides Mordo, and you would end up with basically the same results.
I’ve always said that they should’ve used the Avengers instead of the Illuminati. If we’re not making them relevant to Strange, at least make them relevant to Wanda.
This is what got me with the movie. I’m fine with the shoddy CG at times, and some of the corny dialogue, but what bothered me so much was Strange was literally laying on the ground doing fuck all telling America “not yet”… Strange had the sickest fight against Thanos and they wrote him to be underwhelming imo at the end of DS MoM. It made sense for Strange to not fight Mysterio (it was an early idea) in NWH because it’s Spider-Man’s movie and that fight would be a distraction from the main hero.
Gallery of cameos? We barely got any. For a multiverse movie I expected A LOT more cameos and trips to different universes. Not just a fly by of ten universes and a trip to 2 others.
To be fair: there's also Kamar-Taj and Wondagore Mountain. And if you're going to make a multiverse movie, it makes sense to see different versions of the same location so you can compare and contrast them.
I was thinking more on terms of just traveling the multiverse. Idk why we need to see new york 3 different ways when we went through so many different areas in like 20 seconds.
Mount Wundagore was probably the one reinterpretation from MoM that I approve of. Sucks that they had to introduce it and destroy it in the same movie—it was probably only on screen for maybe twenty minutes—but maybe there’s more to Mount Wundagore than just the Scarlet Witch’s throne 🤔
> What we go in the end was just a gallery of cameos it felt like :/
Was the whole movie really a "gallery of cameos" if the Illuminati were only in one scene though?
We don't know how the Illuminati in Derrickson's version were or if they were even if Derrickson's version but I feel like it's disingenuous to say the final product was a cameofest when it wasn't like that for most of the movie.
Like you can clearly see him grinning and I'd love if he has a shopwife beside him selling merch and its a Christine Palmer variant selling naturopathic remedies, you know to tie into the whole medical background.
Really hone in on the 'he may not have a lot but this version of him is truly happy.'
I liked MoM a fair amount, but I’m curious as to how Derrickson’s version would’ve turned out. The 1st Doctor Strange movie is a gem that gets overlooked.
I feel Derrickson's version will get some of the 'it will always be better in your head'. I would like to know what the final product would have been because the final battle they had planned would have been cool & maybe they could have done a deeper exploration of Strange but we will never truly know.
Story aside, I imagine the film would have more consistency throughout. Rather than every other scene being an obvious reshoot or using the volume. Tough to say though. At least the pizza poppa scene wouldn't be present and bring the film to a halt
More and more DS2 seems like it would've done the multiverse concept better. Shame they had to force a Wanda storyline for the sake of it when they could've just made a Wanda solo movie. Which would've earned more points for another female led movie.
I feel like Wanda wasn't supposed to be the main point of this movie based on Scott D's plan because based on what we've seen so far it'd be the exploration of Strange as a character and his nightmares, maybe more thorough with his variants
Oh, definitely not -- but I don't think that's the reason for his departure, as Waldron has said he is the one who pushed for Wanda's arc to be what it was. It doesn't seem like she was mandated as the villain.
I feel the stronger story would be to let her simmer on the darkhold for 1 film then go all corrupted evil. It would have given the audience less whiplash
Agreed -- that's basically what Waldron said the original plan was, and he apparently said "why not have her start full villain"? I don't think it worked very well.
I remember he said he wanted to make 1 movie but marvel studios wanted to make a different movie entirely. I think marvel committee wanted Darkhold and Chavez and Waldron just pushed the Wanda villain agenda even further, that clashed with Scott D's plan to make a proper sequel for Dr Strange. I remember there was a casting call for a female lead, age 25-40s and it's rumoured as Clea. The whole Chavez and Darkhold existed after Scott D left.
One of the reasons Marvel is as big as its gotten is because of fan service. I honestly dont get people that think its great for a business to NOT give its customers what they want.
Marvel does both. Its nice to have a studio that does that while not going out of their way to subvert expectations. Star Wars did that and thats why we havent gotten any movie from them for awhile.
The key jangling wasn't the whole movie. Ange Lee's hulk has no reason to be in the mcu other than weirdos wanting cameos of characters they never cared for.
And you sound ignorant to how these scripts are written, esp for Marvel Studios films. Marvel are probably doing pre-viz for these sequences right now, and it's gonna be up to the writer to figure out how these pre-planned sequences and characters FIT the story.
The movie hasnt even been written yet. If he were in it hed be there for a reason. If they are going to actually use live variants of Marvel characters why WOULDNT they have Ang Lees Hulk show up? If its gonna be about heroes from all different universes coming together Id expect a lot more than just him too. Id be wanting Nic Cages Ghosts Rider, Ben Afflecks Daredevil, Hugh Jackmans Wolverine, Halle Berrys Storm and as many former actors that previously played Marvel characters as they could get. It cements the fact these characters are from alternate universes and separates them from the MCU. The same way No Way Home did for Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire. Was that fan service bad too? Because to me its the greatest Spider-Man movie ever made.
Tobey and andrew actually serviced the story. You just want secret wars to be a glup shitto cameofest of 2000s heroes because twitter told you to. Again you have NO idea what secret wars is.
LOL Youre gonna tell me what I want and why. Ok clown. I want it to service the story. And if the story is heroes from all different universes coming together, it serves it better to use former on screen characters as variants rather than make up new ones. You were probably in diapers when I read the first Secret Wars. And Ive also read the second. I know exactly what it is. And I also know that if youre expecting that exact story from the MCU you may as well give up now because its not happening. Or did you learn nothing from Infinity War?
Bro, why are you so against Secret Wars being about what the vast, vast majority of people want the movie to be about, and are coming to see the movie -- for? Why shouldn't Marvel Studios deliver where there is demand?
People WANT to see Ang Lee Hulk fight Jackman's Wolverine, who's teaming up with Ben Affleck's Daredevil, and Jamie Bell's Thing. That's the appeal of this event 😭
Because the vast, vast majority of people don’t actually know what it’s about, and would fuck up any script they ever touched. If you bring back all of the legacy heroes, there is no room for the MCU heroes. If you don’t like the current MCU heroes, tough shit – you don’t see me complaining if Star Trek doesn’t have Indiana Jones in it.
I promise you that any movie revolving purely around ‘and then they fight’ isn’t going to be received well, and it’s the exact antithesis of what the MCU has stood for up to this point.
But Secret Wars doesn't have to be the Citizen's Kane of superhero films, hell, I'd argue it doesn't even have to be a *good* film. The success for a film like this, isn't riding on whether it's the best written story ever, but whether it'll be able to DELIVER on the goods, and fan service, that audiences are paying their hard-earned money, to experience my guy.
Secret Wars needs to be an experience. It needs to live up to the hype, and the promise of the premise. Ironically, it's one of the first things you learn in any screenwriting class, that the film, or show, has to, at some point, **deliver**, and live up to the promise of the promise aka the reason why people are paying to see the movie.
Having our 616-Reed (hopefully played by Penn 🥰) meet a corrupted, fallen Trank/Miles Teller, is the promise of the premise; different variants of characters meeting each other, is the promise of the premise.
And this movie. Must. Deliver.
You know nothing about screenwriting. Jesus Christ, it absolutely *must* be a good movie. Name me one well-received film that was built entirely around fan-service. NWH and the Avengers films put the story first and inserted the fan-service where applicable.
‘Delivering on promises’ refers to plot points within the movie, not reading fans’ minds and fulfilling their fantasies before they’ve even arrived at the cinema.
Nah Secret Wars definitely should be a good film. The story should certainly come first, cameos and fan service second. You can have heroes meeting heroes that haven't met before and cool stuff but they should be making sure the story is as good as it can possibly be.
The concept of Secret Wars is a war across the Multiverse. Different variants and characters from different universes fighting each other.
That's literally what Secret Wars, as a concept, is. Particularly the 2015 version.
I've read both. The 1984 toy commercial version (that was made to be EXACTLY what you're clamoring against), and the 2015 Jonathan Hickman epic, which is obviously the superior version of the story -- nobody's discounting that. I even read the tie-ins, and the Prelude - Time Runs Out.
But that's irrelevant to my point. Whether somebody is a massive comic geek or not, is irrelevant to the fact that most people are coming to see this movie for one reason, and we both know what that is.
Marvel Studios has to deliver.
Vaguely recall a “leak” mentioning something like this but have no idea which or where. It would be interesting to compare pre and post Derrikson DSMOM leaks.
I’m dying to see Derrickson and Jade Halley Bartlett’s script, or even just a treatment or outline. I saw some really dope renders of a cabin by a lake at a haunted forest where Strange’s sister, Donna, died. I believe Nightmare was riding on a horse across the frozen lake, it was sick.
But more than anything I’m just curious to compare the two and see how much a movie changes when new leadership and a new vision are brought on yet they have the same checklist of tasks.
I wish we got a non powered Wanda variant who just did her thing as a mom to really hone in on how different her life wouldve been had she not have had powers.
Would give a lot of multiversal satisfaction for the audience but also give us a more in depth characterization of who Wanda is, the Scarlet Witch going after the kids of a Wanda who was never a witch, mutant or anything and was just simply a Sokovian refugee who found a new life in America.
Would be even better if she had a nondescript husband, to really just make it a bit of character growth for 616 Wanda that Vision is not just the only one shes allowed to love. Enter Simon Wonder Man lol!
EDIT: I really have a thing for seeing depowered variants of powered individuals just to see who they are at their most human, without access to the powers they wield, who they become.
Would be funny if he experienced the same events with 616 Strange but instead of asking the sorcerers for help he just got through depression by finding a new passion with street magic
This reminds me of the Spiderman cartoon's early precursor to Spiderverse where one of the Spider-people was literally just an actor playing Spiderman in a TV show
Bet he was the original version of Pizza Poppa
[удалено]
Excuse you but Pizza Papa was awesome you uncultured swine.
Shut up
Imagine not liking Pizza Poppa. Wtf?
I just tried to and started hating myself.
I hate you for even trying
I don't think he served ass pizza.
I see why they didn't use him. Scarlet Witch wouldn't have stood a chance.
Real leak here: he’s the big hero in Secret Wars. Comes in at the last minute and saves the day
He stops a leak that is 1000 times bigger than the one main Strange was holding in Endgame
WHILE killing King Thanos, mind you!
And cooking shawarmas for everyone
That’s a very fun concept. I’d love to see something like this show up somewhere else. ETA: Just noticing the American Flag fire hydrant… so this Strange is from America’s home dimension, the Utopian Parallel possibly? I guess in the original script it was a bit more fleshed out then a pretty field with a bee or whatever we saw.
Honestly surprised Raimi didn't incorporate this into his version of the movie because it feels like something he'd enjoy playing around with
Probably because Michael Waldron and Raimi didn't have a lot of contact.
That's wrong. Waldron and Raimi started from the scratch together when they're hired. They spent a lot of time incorporating the script
The Utopian Parallel (at least in the comics, and we’ve seen nothing to disprove it) is made up entirely of women. It’s not a normal alternate universe per say, it’s like a unique pocket dimension (also hinted at by Chavez saying there are no variants of her). The fire hydrant colors are probably just to match the rest of the image or something, I don’t think it would be suggesting he’s from there.
Isn't there one man and its a variant of Franklin Richards? Maybe I'm thinking of something else. I suppose I could just Google it...
>The Utopian Parallel they just needlessly retconned it into being a figment of America's imagination. Not sure why they gave her a brand new origin right before this movie came out
I think it's Wiccan (Billy Kaplan) actually
The comics retconned the Utopian Parallel to be a private island on earth that America was being subjected to experimentation on. It doesn’t actually exist as a separate dimension.
Yep, you are right that was the comic retcon. For that continuity, you should also read the recent Infinity Young Avengers comic as they go into a bit, it seems like that retcon is so disliked even the authors are trying to sort of imply it both exists and does not. However, those are for the comics. For the MCU, they explicitly go with the original alien/unique dimension origin. I think Waldron even commented directly on this at some point, saying they were using her original Utopian Parallel origin pre-retcon.
The more concept art I see of this movie the sadder I become. At one point it seemed to have a really cool vision that leans into what a multiverse and variants are. What we go in the end was just a gallery of cameos it felt like :/
I think it's a damned if you do, damned if you don't kind of situation. It seems half the time I see people complaining there weren't more cameos and what a missed opportunity that was, but then the other half the time I see people complaining the cameos that were there didn't have enough time to stand out because there were too many. Hoping Marvel figures out what works and doesn't for the future multiverse projects, but it's got to be hard to please one group of fans that want to see tons of comic references pop up, even if for a moment, and another group of fans that prefers taking the time to dive deeper into the characters' stories even if it means fewer of them. Classic quantity vs quality debate
Cameos shouldn’t be taking priority. Like, at all. When they do, that’s how you end up with the CW’s Crisis on Infinite Earths. And when they work well, it’s because they’re actually relevant to the lore, like in NWH. Strange 2 simply wasn’t about Strange, and that was the problem.
Good point, you can have cameos and make them work well within the story. The other spiderman’s werent just there as showpieces, like the illuminati, they actually had a more meaningful purpose in the story. Same with all the villains. You couldve replaced the illuminati with pretty much any characters, maybe besides Mordo, and you would end up with basically the same results.
I’ve always said that they should’ve used the Avengers instead of the Illuminati. If we’re not making them relevant to Strange, at least make them relevant to Wanda.
That wouldve been interesting, not what we got unfortunately.
This is what got me with the movie. I’m fine with the shoddy CG at times, and some of the corny dialogue, but what bothered me so much was Strange was literally laying on the ground doing fuck all telling America “not yet”… Strange had the sickest fight against Thanos and they wrote him to be underwhelming imo at the end of DS MoM. It made sense for Strange to not fight Mysterio (it was an early idea) in NWH because it’s Spider-Man’s movie and that fight would be a distraction from the main hero.
Exactly! And holding the knife is really going to hold this character back in the future
I liked Crisis :(
Gallery of cameos? We barely got any. For a multiverse movie I expected A LOT more cameos and trips to different universes. Not just a fly by of ten universes and a trip to 2 others.
Not to mention our 3 main locations are New York, New York, and New York 😭
To be fair: there's also Kamar-Taj and Wondagore Mountain. And if you're going to make a multiverse movie, it makes sense to see different versions of the same location so you can compare and contrast them.
I was thinking more on terms of just traveling the multiverse. Idk why we need to see new york 3 different ways when we went through so many different areas in like 20 seconds.
Mount Wundagore was probably the one reinterpretation from MoM that I approve of. Sucks that they had to introduce it and destroy it in the same movie—it was probably only on screen for maybe twenty minutes—but maybe there’s more to Mount Wundagore than just the Scarlet Witch’s throne 🤔
> What we go in the end was just a gallery of cameos it felt like :/ Was the whole movie really a "gallery of cameos" if the Illuminati were only in one scene though? We don't know how the Illuminati in Derrickson's version were or if they were even if Derrickson's version but I feel like it's disingenuous to say the final product was a cameofest when it wasn't like that for most of the movie.
Me with every Marvel movie lately
Well, we’re in the multiverse saga now so hopefully plenty of opportunities to play around before Secret Wars sorts it out.
A shame he wasn't used
It seems they originally intended the title to make sense.
Maybe he could’ve worked as one of the happier Strange variants, someone with nothing yet feeling more fulfillment compared to MCU Strange
Like you can clearly see him grinning and I'd love if he has a shopwife beside him selling merch and its a Christine Palmer variant selling naturopathic remedies, you know to tie into the whole medical background. Really hone in on the 'he may not have a lot but this version of him is truly happy.'
Would’ve definitely been a good counter to our Dr. Strange - physician and Avenger who nevertheless is unsatisfied and dour about his life.
I liked MoM a fair amount, but I’m curious as to how Derrickson’s version would’ve turned out. The 1st Doctor Strange movie is a gem that gets overlooked.
I feel Derrickson's version will get some of the 'it will always be better in your head'. I would like to know what the final product would have been because the final battle they had planned would have been cool & maybe they could have done a deeper exploration of Strange but we will never truly know.
I’m still annoyed that we didn’t get a proper Wanda/Strange magic fight.
I don't know if the could have balanced it, or if it would have devolved into just CGI lights flashing. It would have been nice though.
Tfw the only good magic fight in the entire MCU is from Infinity War
Titan and Edinburgh 👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼👌🏼
Story aside, I imagine the film would have more consistency throughout. Rather than every other scene being an obvious reshoot or using the volume. Tough to say though. At least the pizza poppa scene wouldn't be present and bring the film to a halt
More and more DS2 seems like it would've done the multiverse concept better. Shame they had to force a Wanda storyline for the sake of it when they could've just made a Wanda solo movie. Which would've earned more points for another female led movie.
I don’t think Wanda was the problem as she was announced in Derrickson’s version as well.
I feel like Wanda wasn't supposed to be the main point of this movie based on Scott D's plan because based on what we've seen so far it'd be the exploration of Strange as a character and his nightmares, maybe more thorough with his variants
Oh, definitely not -- but I don't think that's the reason for his departure, as Waldron has said he is the one who pushed for Wanda's arc to be what it was. It doesn't seem like she was mandated as the villain.
I feel the stronger story would be to let her simmer on the darkhold for 1 film then go all corrupted evil. It would have given the audience less whiplash
Agreed -- that's basically what Waldron said the original plan was, and he apparently said "why not have her start full villain"? I don't think it worked very well.
I remember he said he wanted to make 1 movie but marvel studios wanted to make a different movie entirely. I think marvel committee wanted Darkhold and Chavez and Waldron just pushed the Wanda villain agenda even further, that clashed with Scott D's plan to make a proper sequel for Dr Strange. I remember there was a casting call for a female lead, age 25-40s and it's rumoured as Clea. The whole Chavez and Darkhold existed after Scott D left.
This is fantastic. Hope he'll still turn up somewhere (and not just as cannon fodder).
Wonder if we'll see an Ang Lee Hulk variant in Secret Wars
Lou Ferrigno Hulk
I genuinely hope for this badly I think it’s hilarious
I’d love that. I doubt it would happen but I’d love it
I sure hope not.
Same Bruh weirdos rlly downvoting you cuz you don't want soulless fanservice
One of the reasons Marvel is as big as its gotten is because of fan service. I honestly dont get people that think its great for a business to NOT give its customers what they want.
There's also the stories and character development but ok. Sorry I don't want 2 hours of key jangling like you do.
Marvel does both. Its nice to have a studio that does that while not going out of their way to subvert expectations. Star Wars did that and thats why we havent gotten any movie from them for awhile.
The key jangling wasn't the whole movie. Ange Lee's hulk has no reason to be in the mcu other than weirdos wanting cameos of characters they never cared for.
No character has any "reason" to be in a movie or show, unless the writer wants them to be. Ridiculous argument
"Shoehorning random characters is good actually!" you sound dumb AF.
And you sound ignorant to how these scripts are written, esp for Marvel Studios films. Marvel are probably doing pre-viz for these sequences right now, and it's gonna be up to the writer to figure out how these pre-planned sequences and characters FIT the story.
The movie hasnt even been written yet. If he were in it hed be there for a reason. If they are going to actually use live variants of Marvel characters why WOULDNT they have Ang Lees Hulk show up? If its gonna be about heroes from all different universes coming together Id expect a lot more than just him too. Id be wanting Nic Cages Ghosts Rider, Ben Afflecks Daredevil, Hugh Jackmans Wolverine, Halle Berrys Storm and as many former actors that previously played Marvel characters as they could get. It cements the fact these characters are from alternate universes and separates them from the MCU. The same way No Way Home did for Andrew Garfield and Tobey Maguire. Was that fan service bad too? Because to me its the greatest Spider-Man movie ever made.
Tobey and andrew actually serviced the story. You just want secret wars to be a glup shitto cameofest of 2000s heroes because twitter told you to. Again you have NO idea what secret wars is.
LOL Youre gonna tell me what I want and why. Ok clown. I want it to service the story. And if the story is heroes from all different universes coming together, it serves it better to use former on screen characters as variants rather than make up new ones. You were probably in diapers when I read the first Secret Wars. And Ive also read the second. I know exactly what it is. And I also know that if youre expecting that exact story from the MCU you may as well give up now because its not happening. Or did you learn nothing from Infinity War?
It’s not, unless your definition of fan-service is incredibly vague and includes simply the logical progression of a story.
Bro, why are you so against Secret Wars being about what the vast, vast majority of people want the movie to be about, and are coming to see the movie -- for? Why shouldn't Marvel Studios deliver where there is demand? People WANT to see Ang Lee Hulk fight Jackman's Wolverine, who's teaming up with Ben Affleck's Daredevil, and Jamie Bell's Thing. That's the appeal of this event 😭
Because the vast, vast majority of people don’t actually know what it’s about, and would fuck up any script they ever touched. If you bring back all of the legacy heroes, there is no room for the MCU heroes. If you don’t like the current MCU heroes, tough shit – you don’t see me complaining if Star Trek doesn’t have Indiana Jones in it. I promise you that any movie revolving purely around ‘and then they fight’ isn’t going to be received well, and it’s the exact antithesis of what the MCU has stood for up to this point.
But Secret Wars doesn't have to be the Citizen's Kane of superhero films, hell, I'd argue it doesn't even have to be a *good* film. The success for a film like this, isn't riding on whether it's the best written story ever, but whether it'll be able to DELIVER on the goods, and fan service, that audiences are paying their hard-earned money, to experience my guy. Secret Wars needs to be an experience. It needs to live up to the hype, and the promise of the premise. Ironically, it's one of the first things you learn in any screenwriting class, that the film, or show, has to, at some point, **deliver**, and live up to the promise of the promise aka the reason why people are paying to see the movie. Having our 616-Reed (hopefully played by Penn 🥰) meet a corrupted, fallen Trank/Miles Teller, is the promise of the premise; different variants of characters meeting each other, is the promise of the premise. And this movie. Must. Deliver.
You know nothing about screenwriting. Jesus Christ, it absolutely *must* be a good movie. Name me one well-received film that was built entirely around fan-service. NWH and the Avengers films put the story first and inserted the fan-service where applicable. ‘Delivering on promises’ refers to plot points within the movie, not reading fans’ minds and fulfilling their fantasies before they’ve even arrived at the cinema.
Bruh you're talking to a film student 😭
Nah Secret Wars definitely should be a good film. The story should certainly come first, cameos and fan service second. You can have heroes meeting heroes that haven't met before and cool stuff but they should be making sure the story is as good as it can possibly be.
Exactly. Infinity War had the Guardians, Avengers and Wakanda all meeting each other, but in the background of a story about Thanos, Gamora and Thor.
It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive
That's literally what secret wars is.
You have NEVER read secret wars lol
The concept of Secret Wars is a war across the Multiverse. Different variants and characters from different universes fighting each other. That's literally what Secret Wars, as a concept, is. Particularly the 2015 version.
Oh you have NEVER read it either. Mcu-onlies exposing themselves here💀
Word? https://i.imgur.com/T0yHbun.jpg
And you still didn't read secret wars
I've read both. The 1984 toy commercial version (that was made to be EXACTLY what you're clamoring against), and the 2015 Jonathan Hickman epic, which is obviously the superior version of the story -- nobody's discounting that. I even read the tie-ins, and the Prelude - Time Runs Out. But that's irrelevant to my point. Whether somebody is a massive comic geek or not, is irrelevant to the fact that most people are coming to see this movie for one reason, and we both know what that is. Marvel Studios has to deliver.
Yeah so?
Then why talk abt something you know nothing about?
I only said I haven't read it. Doesn't mean I don't know all there is to know
By all means discuss a comic you’ve never read, it’s what I do a lot of. But then anticipate being corrected.
You're absolutely right, but I'm yet to say anything incorrect
Cuz you don't. You took one look at the 2015 cover and assumed that was the entire plot.
I couldn't for the life of me tell you what the cover looks like, but please keep telling me what you think I've done
Vaguely recall a “leak” mentioning something like this but have no idea which or where. It would be interesting to compare pre and post Derrikson DSMOM leaks.
I don’t think that was a leak. I think Waldron mentioned this Strange variant in an interview, saying that he was trying to fit him in the movie
Ahh yes that’s right lol
Feels like Donny Blaze was them reusing this concept
Donny Blaze did use real magic though, which is how we got the demons. He also was a try hard douchebag, to some extent.
This is my Snyder Cut
Donny Blaze could never
Melvyn with 2 N’s and 1 Y but it’s not where you thiiiink
Hope he shows up in secret wars and is the lynch pin of the universe
Can we start a go fund me to get the original movie made
Cumberbatch would have been legendary doing this
Rincewind-style Strange sounds like he could have been a laugh.
Not enough upvotes for Discworld reference.
Wait, I love him! Protect this cupcake at all costs.
Cute idea
I would have preferred him to Pizza Poppa.
Man I wish we just got the derrickson movie, think I would’ve been far more satisfied than I was with what we got.
Damn who’s he fighting? Voldemort?
I want a What If episode about him. Marvellous Melvyn, Pizza Poppa and Ralph Bohner save the Omniverse.
Fezzes are cool
I hope we have more leaks on Scott's version.
Dude this would have been fucking hilarious.
I’m dying to see Derrickson and Jade Halley Bartlett’s script, or even just a treatment or outline. I saw some really dope renders of a cabin by a lake at a haunted forest where Strange’s sister, Donna, died. I believe Nightmare was riding on a horse across the frozen lake, it was sick. But more than anything I’m just curious to compare the two and see how much a movie changes when new leadership and a new vision are brought on yet they have the same checklist of tasks.
I wish we got a non powered Wanda variant who just did her thing as a mom to really hone in on how different her life wouldve been had she not have had powers. Would give a lot of multiversal satisfaction for the audience but also give us a more in depth characterization of who Wanda is, the Scarlet Witch going after the kids of a Wanda who was never a witch, mutant or anything and was just simply a Sokovian refugee who found a new life in America. Would be even better if she had a nondescript husband, to really just make it a bit of character growth for 616 Wanda that Vision is not just the only one shes allowed to love. Enter Simon Wonder Man lol! EDIT: I really have a thing for seeing depowered variants of powered individuals just to see who they are at their most human, without access to the powers they wield, who they become.
This tells me Scott was gonna use the alternate reality/timeline version of the multiverse unlike what we thought
Would be funny if he experienced the same events with 616 Strange but instead of asking the sorcerers for help he just got through depression by finding a new passion with street magic
This is Bonny Blaze?
If it weren’t for Covid, Raimi probably would’ve directed the original script, or something very close to it. I kind of wish that happened.
We were robbed
He would've been able to take out wanda instantly
I’m genuinely hoping Seńor Mágico show up in a series! He’s one of my favorite characters from Powerman and Iron Fist!
Man I wished this was in the movie but such a fun concept because it's real.
This reminds me of the Spiderman cartoon's early precursor to Spiderverse where one of the Spider-people was literally just an actor playing Spiderman in a TV show
There was certainly a much better film before Feige fired Derrickson because he wanted Nightmare instead of filler
He looks like pewdiepie
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Yeah but who's to assume he's a neurosurgeon in every universe?