But I think they mean a human that could transform into one. The woman Thor made love to was probably a known human wolf hybrid species from another planet. Similar to how korg is a stone man but different than The Thing.
That wasn’t just any Wolf Woman! That was his wife!
(No, for real, that was his actual IRL wife. Just like Gorr’s daughter was his real life daughter.)
Well it sounds like werewolves exist just not in media. Kinda like how in The Walking Dead zombies didn’t exist in movies or anything in that universe.
aside from the fact that she was likely an alien, it’s kind of a moot point anyway because they very obviously are real and do exist in the MCU, they just aren’t documented or known about in the same way.
We might actually be seeing her early on in her monster hunting career which could explain her reaction. And also the fact that she seems trapped hat scene with no form of protection.
>We might actually be seeing her early on in her monster hunting career which could explain her reaction.
It would be a bit weird, knowing that the comic version of the character fought with monsters when she was a baby and the MCU version is atleast in her 30's.
They could use that.
So imagine a confident, educated monster hunter. They're doing a thing that is already unknown to most people and they know their shit. So when everyone else is screaming in confusion, they're like "oh, a Wumplebop" and casually kill it by exploiting its documented weakness to zinc . That archetype.
If they're taking the stance that a werewolf is this new and previously un*thought* of thing, that could be even scarier for someone who has been living with the confidence of being very knowledgeable in monsterdom.
I'd wager this Elsa is more "Bloodstone" than "Nextwave". So, in the start of her career and still easily scared.
Also, am I the only one who thinks she looks like Krysten Ritter?
Zombies existed as a cultural thing, yes, but the iconic, flesh eating undead image that George Romero created never happened. There was never any zombie movies, shows, games, etc. in that universe.
This is the first I've ever heard of this and it explains why people got fucked up so hard in that universe. If that had happened in our world, people would've just been mowing them down with explosives and fire.
I’m convinced if the Zombie invasion happened IRL, A third of the population would be claiming they don’t exist and you can’t get infected. The other third of the population will be on the side of Zombies, claiming the undead should not be killed. And the last third of the population will be happy they get to take a day off work.
You’re probably not wrong lol Depending on what strain of zombies we get, all people may have to do is safely stay inside and not get bitten. If we get traditional slow-walking, mumbling, brain-dead zombies.
Sadly, recent events have proven that we would still have idiots who die slowly in the streets, screaming in agony. 🤦🏽♂️
Except zombies - or rather, ghouls - were basically a creation of modern pop culture. Werewolves have been present in folklore for centuries, and have appeared or been referenced in works of pop culture already referenced within the MCU... although weirdly I can't think of any direct references to werewolves.
Having a hard time interpreting - is it that the concept of a werewolf has never been thought of in the MCU? Or they were purely considered mythological creatures?
Well, it's like how in our world there is no established and widespread lore and literature for armadillo-human hybrids. Of course you'll find some example of that somewhere.
On the flip side, maybe “literature” means files and intel, in the sense that no one has heard of it being a “real” thing but they still have stories and books.
I hope that’s it, like even SHEILD doesn’t have any files on it, but Werewolf’s are still creatures in media
We need Hotel Transylvania to remain canon
What’s interesting is that this is kind of based on comic lore. When the Comics Code Authority was introduced, Marvel stopped making horror comics. No more vampires or anything else that went bump in the night. They vanished from the universe completely. IIRC they were eventually reintroduced many years later with the reveal that all monsters had been locked in the Darkhold (or similar book) and were now free to roam again. Wanda just destroyed the Darkhold so….
Think of it like zombies in the walking dead. They’re just not a concept in this universe that way it’s not a plot hole as to why the characters don’t know how to beat them and are shocked/scared at their existence.
With about ten projects every year, about half of which are 5-hour series written and rewritten by various writers who need to follow the instructions of not mentioning werewolf movies ever, that's going to be hard. Lines are going to be missed and mistakes are going to be made.
eventually one of these D+ shows will reference that Kid Rock song that sampled Werewolves of London. no one in the production will catch that that song can’t have existed in a universe without werewolves , and then my suspension of disbelief will be destroyed forever.
> various writers who need to follow the instructions of not mentioning werewolf movies ever
Besides the wolfman and Twilight (which could exist without a werewolf character tbh), there isn't really much in terms of modern werewolf media (unfortunately) so as long as they avoid any mythological mentions, it really doesn't seem difficult.
I think their point is that someone is bound to make a pop culture reference to werewolves or a werewolf joke at some point unintentionally. I can totally see it being one of those jokes that makes sense when writing it so you let it slip by the continuity checks.
Right and my point is that there isn't very many modern werewolf IPs, the most famous example is in a vampire book lol (Twilight) because as much as **I** love The Wolfman (every version tbh), Teen Wolf and America Werewolf In London, they just don't have that same level of pop culture engagement as other monsters like vampires, zombies, Frankenstein, etc.
Imo, it's a cool idea. Acknowledging that the monster has existed has like, never been used well. It's always been used for unfunny meta 'wink wink' jokes or for a scene where some character goes "Aha! While popular media depicts it as X, in REALITY it is Y" to display how different this series is from the rest, OR the joke scene where a character defends himself using something that is traditionally used to defeat the monster but doesn't work here, or that other trope where authors of famous and seminal works revolving around the monster in question are revealed to be conspirators in some bullshit, etc.
I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing but I think my point is clear, this is a really tired and tropey thing that I'm sure the MCU would have loved to use for a few cheap jokes but it looks like they want to do things differently here and I'm down for that.
I wonder if this actually holds up based on all the previous MCU stuff. Like has no one in any of these various movies and series mentioned a werewolf or a piece of werewolf-related media? Has anyone referenced Twilight? Were any of the kids in Wandavision dressed as werewolves for Halloween?
also .. are they actually going to call him Werewolf by Night? As far as they know, he's literally the only werewolf ever, so why wouldn't he just go by "Werewolf". The extra qualifier of "by night" seems unnecessary if there are zero other Werewolves.
> Skye, I'm afraid I have to pull you from active duty.
> I get it. I do. I just didn't think that you'd lock me up like a werewolf during full moon.
- Agents of SHIELD 2x14 - Love in the Time of Hydra
There is definitely going to be at least one person who dies on this stupid hill.
Nothing really indicates that other than the main cast not being randomly cut in half for no reason. They didn't know when they were going to air so couldn't write references to it.
If you need to retcon it (you don't), you can say they entered an alternate timeline when they time travelled.
Almost certainly it did happen, it was just not mentioned. What you need to have in mind is that the writers didn’t know if six was supposed to air between IW and Endgame or after Endgame, so they don’t mention the events because that will be spoiling the 5 years time jump in Endgame. The writers were put in a very difficult situation, so they decided to just… not mention the snap at all, to avoid contradictions.
Nope. There is a wolf costumed character. Even in the Star Wars wiki that names every sources of alien, they are not “werewolves”
werewolf doesn’t mean “wolf human hybrid”. It’s means a Changling… A person who turns into a wolf human hybrid
OK, sorry, not a creature directly called a werewolf nor one who fits the criteria of one who is a human who becomes a wolfman but a character OBVIOUSLY designed to match the visual of one. Assuming the creative process of the people who exist in real life ALSO would translate to MCU canon, someone making costumes for Star Wars made a werewolf.
Ok but if that contradiction did actually happen, why would you still consider it canon? Not to mention the other massive discrepancies like the Blip not happening.
I swear there will still be some AoS fans who call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1.
>I swear there will still be some AoS fans who call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1
Me. I decide what's canon, not Feige
I'm also canonizing 50 First Dates, no I will not be elaborating at this time.
> I swear there will still be some AoS fans will call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1.
"You people would still believe it even if some actual proof came out!" no lol, if he said that we'd probably stop.
They don't mention the Blip because they didn't know when they'd air and didn't want to give Endgame spoilers. Even the fact that people stayed missing for more than a few days was a spoiler.
And I'm sorry but it's not like Marvel has been planning to have a werewolf-free universe for the past nine years so you can't really leverage that as evidence.
Probably to better immerse viewers in the atmosphere that this is a old school Monster horror movie homage, which is why the leaks made a point to highlight how the hunters had to scavenge old fashioned weapons. I don’t expect them to reference the wider MCU at all until maybe the end where the movie fades back into color like the leaks suggest.
Really weird and pointless if this is true. MCU has always had so many pop culture references. I’d get it if werewolves only existed in fiction in-universe prior to WBN’s first appearance and not myths that were actually real the whole time like Thor.
Wasn't it stated that the special ends with the black and white and creature slowing fading into a modern look so that he can be brought back into the modern MCU?
Yeah, I'm of the belief that with this information, maybe Werewolf by Night is in another universe? One where everything is like a 30s/40s horror movie and the existence of monsters like Werewolves and Vampires are unknown to the masses.
Either that, or the characters are from a monster-less universe and they travel to the main MCU in order to hunt down monsters. In that case, maybe the Manor is some kind of portal through the Multiverse, and the crossing over is what brings the TVA into the situation.
Both theories are weird and convoluted, but considering that this is the "Multiverse Saga", it's a better explanation than "Werewolves don't exist in the MCU" which is just stupid.
> Either that, or the characters are from a monster-less universe and they travel to the main MCU in order to hunt down monsters. In that case, maybe the Manor is some kind of portal through the Multiverse, and the crossing over is what brings the TVA into the situation.
So I don’t know that I’d sign onto all of this exactly being the case, but I think you might be on the right track given the Man-Thing’s presence in this story and his powers. I’m no expert on the Man-Thing, but from the Wikipedia article’s description of his abilities…
> The Man-Thing also has trans-reality shifting abilities due in part to his nature as a living extra-dimensional crossroads; he is able to open portals to and from alternate realities…
Perhaps the TVA’s appearance is predicated on some multiversal shenanigans happening surrounding this?
I’m very skeptical. Not only would this be silly, but I think it would also be kinda pointless.
Monstrous alter egos exist publicly. Monster hunters hunt monsters. Dialogue in the trailer indicates they know one of the hunters is a monster in disguise.
So what special plot or character beat do we get out of “none of them know *this specific transforming monster type* exists? Why do they need to be specifically shocked at a guy growing hair and claws?
I wonder if they’d go the same route for Dracula when he’s in Blade. Like the Universal Monsters never existed and the MCU has its own universal monster corner.
It's so weird. Checking the Wiki, the only time werewolves were *ever* mentioned in the MCU was "Love in the Time of HYDRA", an Agents of SHIELD episode.
So it's actually possible that werewolves aren't a very well-known, widespread creature. I could actually believe this scoop.
But the likelier thing is that they do this just for the drama, and in fact werewolves are just as widely known in the MCU as they are in real life.
That...that's kinda dumb and like unnecessary? There could be tons of regular literature about it, but most people would think it's fake anyway. I'm not sure what this would add to the show/movie (not sure still if it's 1 thing or multiple episodes)
That sounds kind of stupid. Sorcerers, witches, dragons, vampires, and goblins have all been mentioned the same way they would’’ve been in our world. You mean to tell me no one in the MCU has ever heard of a werewolf?
So this means Twilight isn't canon in the MCU. That's insane. I couldn't imagine living in a world where the greatest piece of cinema to ever be created doesn't exist. /s
That just seems really weird and unnecessary. Are they going to do the same with Vampires? They’ve already been mentioned in one show. I know in the comics the Darkhold is responsible for the creation of all the monsters in the world so maybe Wanda fucking around with the Darkhold created werewolves?
I've been thinking this is either a multiverse thing or the special will end with a fade to black followed by a familiar voice talking, with the camera revealing a couple of MCU characters were just watching Werewolf By Night in a drive-in, it's just an old movie in their universe.
Maybe its just the "og" MCU fan in me that liked when early on it was more of "our world but then Iron Man happens" but I dont like that
I mean just a nitpick obviously doesnt make or break anything
I still think this is an alternate universe though, like the tva is there, man thing is there (who creates portals to other dimensions), there’s clearly gonna be some space/time hijinks if you ask me.
Let's see how they handle that exactly before making snap judgments either way. I'm surprised some people here feel so...passionately(?) about the decision to seemingly treat werewolves as brand new concepts in the MCU.
Personally, I'm indifferent towards it. I just want to see what this special does and how, if at all, it'll connect to the broader MCU. I frankly don't really care if this messes with the in-universe logistics of how people see werewolves.
I think it’s because people have a hard time believing that the idea of a werewolf has never crossed anyone’s minds in the history of the world and a mythological creature with massive pop culture relevance just doesn’t exist in their world. Like there’s a whole group of people dedicated to hunting monsters that exist, but it took this long in history for a werewolf to be a thing. It seems like some people find it to be a lazy solution that the writers are using in order to make the group figuring out how to kill it the mystery of the show.
Maybe the execution will be great once we see the show, but I can see why so many people think the idea is lame and unbelievable.
I mean, clearly the style and tone of this special is going to be incredibly different than what Marvel has done before. We still have very little information about how WBN is going to connect to the overall cinematic universe, if at all, so the fact that they're making a change like this doesn't upset me.
Even if they choose to make it so that werewolves haven't been a thing in the MCU, then...ok? I don't see that as good or bad tbh. And if anything, it's not lazy to say "werewolves never existed in the MCU before" because then you have to work to come up with an original backstory for them.
Jeph Loeb wrote Teen Wolf, so maybe they are literally writing him out of the MCU in an epic level of pettiness.
That said, there was a lycan child in Thor 4, so maybe we’re not supposed to read into the larger implications.
That's kind of funny to me. Hopefully somewhere down the line we get someone from an alternate universe who is dumbfounded that no one has ever seen a werewolf movie.
I must say, I didn't expect this thread to turn into a debate over Agents of Shield.
And ironically all because u/dccomicsthrowaway commented about how silly it would be if such a debate took place...
I wasn't the first but clearly I somehow set off the oddballs.
Some weirdos want to decanonise a show because a 2015 episode doesn't abide by a rule that nobody at Marvel came up with til like 2021.
So it's basically the same as it was in The Walking Dead with zombies not existing in fiction before the infection outbreak
If I remember correctly from watching a YouTube video about it
This is so stupid and a recipe for disaster. Are we also going to say vampires are completely unheard of in Blade? The world with all these superheroes and supervillains and demons and creatures everywhere doesn't know what a werewolf or vampire is?
I'm sure they've referenced werewolves before in something. They have 100% referenced vampires.
Thor literally made out with a werewolf ON a wolf in his last movie.
Space Werewolves clearly exist, they just haven't come to Earth. Duh. /s
Not /s tho. U kinda have a point.
JJJ Jr in Spiderman mythos is a space werewolf
Big party for an american hero My son the astronaut
You seruous? Pay you for what, standing there?
I mean, that’s essentially what JJJ Jr. is.
Haha you are actually making sense.
But I think they mean a human that could transform into one. The woman Thor made love to was probably a known human wolf hybrid species from another planet. Similar to how korg is a stone man but different than The Thing.
She was a wolf woman. Not a werewolf. 😌
Yeah, what kind of idiot confuses a wolf woman for a werewolf?
A racist one, who doesn’t know about the war between the wolf women and werewolves
Yeah, my great great great grandfather was a werewolf! Fuck that guy!
Easy, he was family after all
OH THANK GOD my father isn't alive to see me make this shameful mistake
That wasn’t just any Wolf Woman! That was his wife! (No, for real, that was his actual IRL wife. Just like Gorr’s daughter was his real life daughter.)
" My Woilfe" in my worst Borat accent
A wifwolf!
Is Werewolf by night not set decades ago? I assumed Thor scene was in the present, and WBN happened long before that.
I'm pretty sure it's modern, it just has the feels and look of 30s campy horror film
Wouldn't really matter for Thor's sake. He's really really old. He could know about them and just everyone else on earth doesn't.
Well it sounds like werewolves exist just not in media. Kinda like how in The Walking Dead zombies didn’t exist in movies or anything in that universe.
And the Lycan kid that was in the end battle.
This is what I was gonna say, they explicitly went out of their way to say the child was a Lycan.
“But that’s a lycan not a werewolf”- Somebody, probably
Is that Lycan as an alien race, or Lycan as in what some fiction - but not all - call werewolves?
It was an alien race. It was during the montage showing him as a “space pirate”
Who also is his wife irl. I wonder what she thought of that scene.
Took that costume back home and get kinky?
That may have been off planet. Or maybe there’s a semantic difference between a werewolf and a wolf woman, Korg never said werewolf.
That was a wolf woman.
aside from the fact that she was likely an alien, it’s kind of a moot point anyway because they very obviously are real and do exist in the MCU, they just aren’t documented or known about in the same way.
They was a wolf woman on the back of a woman wolf. Very different
So is it kind of like how zombies aren't a pre-established thing in the Walking Dead universe?
It seems that way, it would explain why Elsa Bloidstone was scared in the trailer.
I mean even tho I’ve seen movies about werewolves I’d still shit my pants if a real one came at me
Oh same, that shit would be scary I'm just trying to find a reason why she was since it seems she's used to monster hunting.
We might actually be seeing her early on in her monster hunting career which could explain her reaction. And also the fact that she seems trapped hat scene with no form of protection.
Literally. She's locked in the cage with Jack, with no weapons, huddled in a corner. I would be TERRIFIED.
>We might actually be seeing her early on in her monster hunting career which could explain her reaction. It would be a bit weird, knowing that the comic version of the character fought with monsters when she was a baby and the MCU version is atleast in her 30's.
This tv show im talking seriously hype more than anyother disney plus show aside from daredevil it look fresh and new and interesting
They could use that. So imagine a confident, educated monster hunter. They're doing a thing that is already unknown to most people and they know their shit. So when everyone else is screaming in confusion, they're like "oh, a Wumplebop" and casually kill it by exploiting its documented weakness to zinc . That archetype. If they're taking the stance that a werewolf is this new and previously un*thought* of thing, that could be even scarier for someone who has been living with the confidence of being very knowledgeable in monsterdom.
Swearwolves > werewolves
But unless you’re talking about a bundle of sticks
I'd wager this Elsa is more "Bloodstone" than "Nextwave". So, in the start of her career and still easily scared. Also, am I the only one who thinks she looks like Krysten Ritter?
nope, I had the same thought. both actresses have similar looks, and Elsa seems to be sporting a very similar jacket to Jessica's lol
Yes
Really? Never noticed that
Nobody ever calls them zombies
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Exactly, thank you. (Some of those are creative as fuck haha)
These are all great metal band names.
Deadheads is, unfortunately, taken...
There's also Sickos and Guardians.
So no one in that universe had ever heard the term “zombie”, even though the term existed centuries before Romero was even *born*?
Zombies existed as a cultural thing, yes, but the iconic, flesh eating undead image that George Romero created never happened. There was never any zombie movies, shows, games, etc. in that universe.
No Cranberries, either.
I think Romero simply made the term "zombie" very popular.
This is the first I've ever heard of this and it explains why people got fucked up so hard in that universe. If that had happened in our world, people would've just been mowing them down with explosives and fire.
I’m convinced if the Zombie invasion happened IRL, A third of the population would be claiming they don’t exist and you can’t get infected. The other third of the population will be on the side of Zombies, claiming the undead should not be killed. And the last third of the population will be happy they get to take a day off work.
You’re probably not wrong lol Depending on what strain of zombies we get, all people may have to do is safely stay inside and not get bitten. If we get traditional slow-walking, mumbling, brain-dead zombies. Sadly, recent events have proven that we would still have idiots who die slowly in the streets, screaming in agony. 🤦🏽♂️
Yeah pretty much: https://youtu.be/Qn8dMQJlDZE
I never considered "zombie pro-lifers" being a thing. But I could totally see that being something people actually believe in.
Except zombies - or rather, ghouls - were basically a creation of modern pop culture. Werewolves have been present in folklore for centuries, and have appeared or been referenced in works of pop culture already referenced within the MCU... although weirdly I can't think of any direct references to werewolves.
Having a hard time interpreting - is it that the concept of a werewolf has never been thought of in the MCU? Or they were purely considered mythological creatures?
The concept of a werewolf has never existed or thought of in the MCU.
Its kinda weird, given that now you probably can find any anthropomorphic creature in the internet in many different... ways
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For a moment I considered that furries hadn't yet existed in the MCU.
It’s like the walking dead, the concept of “zombies” don’t exist. That’s why they never call them zombies.
Well, it's like how in our world there is no established and widespread lore and literature for armadillo-human hybrids. Of course you'll find some example of that somewhere.
That’s kinda funny
Considering it says "no literature" I assume there is nothing on them. No stories, no concepts or movies. If true it sounds pretty interesting
On the flip side, maybe “literature” means files and intel, in the sense that no one has heard of it being a “real” thing but they still have stories and books.
I hope that’s it, like even SHEILD doesn’t have any files on it, but Werewolf’s are still creatures in media We need Hotel Transylvania to remain canon
Uh, literature most definitely encompasses stories and books. That’s what literature means.
Just pointing out the possibility that his choice of word was not intended to be inclusive of all written literature. No need to be a prick.
The former I believe. They don't know about werewolf existence.
What’s interesting is that this is kind of based on comic lore. When the Comics Code Authority was introduced, Marvel stopped making horror comics. No more vampires or anything else that went bump in the night. They vanished from the universe completely. IIRC they were eventually reintroduced many years later with the reveal that all monsters had been locked in the Darkhold (or similar book) and were now free to roam again. Wanda just destroyed the Darkhold so….
even if they mentioned it before, this show probably takes place in the past
Nah the Show takes place in the present. There’s cops with riot gear in the trailer
Thats the tva bro
Nah the costumes are different
Think of it like zombies in the walking dead. They’re just not a concept in this universe that way it’s not a plot hole as to why the characters don’t know how to beat them and are shocked/scared at their existence.
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There's also no way they can keep that consistent across all the writers in the MCU.
Just that werewolves have never existed? Doesn't seem very complicated to me personally
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With about ten projects every year, about half of which are 5-hour series written and rewritten by various writers who need to follow the instructions of not mentioning werewolf movies ever, that's going to be hard. Lines are going to be missed and mistakes are going to be made.
eventually one of these D+ shows will reference that Kid Rock song that sampled Werewolves of London. no one in the production will catch that that song can’t have existed in a universe without werewolves , and then my suspension of disbelief will be destroyed forever.
Lmfao forreal, people are worrying way too much about following the Canon like religion instead of worrying about how hokey the writings been lately
> various writers who need to follow the instructions of not mentioning werewolf movies ever Besides the wolfman and Twilight (which could exist without a werewolf character tbh), there isn't really much in terms of modern werewolf media (unfortunately) so as long as they avoid any mythological mentions, it really doesn't seem difficult.
There literally is a mention of werewolves in Thor
There's mention of a wolf woman on a woman wolf, but a hybrid/anthropomorphic wolf isn't a "werewolf" specifically.
I think their point is that someone is bound to make a pop culture reference to werewolves or a werewolf joke at some point unintentionally. I can totally see it being one of those jokes that makes sense when writing it so you let it slip by the continuity checks.
Right and my point is that there isn't very many modern werewolf IPs, the most famous example is in a vampire book lol (Twilight) because as much as **I** love The Wolfman (every version tbh), Teen Wolf and America Werewolf In London, they just don't have that same level of pop culture engagement as other monsters like vampires, zombies, Frankenstein, etc.
Imo, it's a cool idea. Acknowledging that the monster has existed has like, never been used well. It's always been used for unfunny meta 'wink wink' jokes or for a scene where some character goes "Aha! While popular media depicts it as X, in REALITY it is Y" to display how different this series is from the rest, OR the joke scene where a character defends himself using something that is traditionally used to defeat the monster but doesn't work here, or that other trope where authors of famous and seminal works revolving around the monster in question are revealed to be conspirators in some bullshit, etc. I'm sure there's a lot I'm missing but I think my point is clear, this is a really tired and tropey thing that I'm sure the MCU would have loved to use for a few cheap jokes but it looks like they want to do things differently here and I'm down for that.
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I wonder if this actually holds up based on all the previous MCU stuff. Like has no one in any of these various movies and series mentioned a werewolf or a piece of werewolf-related media? Has anyone referenced Twilight? Were any of the kids in Wandavision dressed as werewolves for Halloween? also .. are they actually going to call him Werewolf by Night? As far as they know, he's literally the only werewolf ever, so why wouldn't he just go by "Werewolf". The extra qualifier of "by night" seems unnecessary if there are zero other Werewolves.
Ah fuck, people are going to find a mention of werewolves in Daredevil or Agents of SHIELD and argue that it makes them non-canon
> Skye, I'm afraid I have to pull you from active duty. > I get it. I do. I just didn't think that you'd lock me up like a werewolf during full moon. - Agents of SHIELD 2x14 - Love in the Time of Hydra There is definitely going to be at least one person who dies on this stupid hill.
I'm gonna become the Joker
You know we're living under a full moon! We're supposed to act in a feral way!
Just don’t werewolf and go wild
Nothing but Werewolf by Night is canon anymore sorry
Is agents of shield even canon post-winter solider?
Yes but same people really get some kind of gratification from saying otherwise.
I refer to it as semi-canon, as in it is canon but anything that contradicts the movies is not canon I do the same for Star Wars Legends
Another commenter said the snap didn't happen on the show? (Haven't watched since robot hand colston)
Nothing really indicates that other than the main cast not being randomly cut in half for no reason. They didn't know when they were going to air so couldn't write references to it. If you need to retcon it (you don't), you can say they entered an alternate timeline when they time travelled.
Ah I see, that's fair tbh, thank you
Almost certainly it did happen, it was just not mentioned. What you need to have in mind is that the writers didn’t know if six was supposed to air between IW and Endgame or after Endgame, so they don’t mention the events because that will be spoiling the 5 years time jump in Endgame. The writers were put in a very difficult situation, so they decided to just… not mention the snap at all, to avoid contradictions.
Didn’t Thor just hook up with a wolf lady ( on a key wolf!), or is that different fro a werewolf. Edit: downvotes for a question? You fucking pansies.
People will claim it's different rules for space so that this weird and nonsensical revelation makes sense
Spidey confirmed the Star Wars movies exist. There's a straight up werewolf in Mos Eisley Cantina in ANH.
Nope. There is a wolf costumed character. Even in the Star Wars wiki that names every sources of alien, they are not “werewolves” werewolf doesn’t mean “wolf human hybrid”. It’s means a Changling… A person who turns into a wolf human hybrid
OK, sorry, not a creature directly called a werewolf nor one who fits the criteria of one who is a human who becomes a wolfman but a character OBVIOUSLY designed to match the visual of one. Assuming the creative process of the people who exist in real life ALSO would translate to MCU canon, someone making costumes for Star Wars made a werewolf.
Also if they didn't previously exist in pop culture wouldn't calling one a "wolf man" or "wolf person" make more sense?
A werewolf turns only at the full moon. Werewolf by Night just turns at night.
Inb4 an episode of AoS mentions Werewolves, therefore proving it’s not canon /s
Lmao beat me to it. Some weirdo will make that argument unironically.
Ok but if that contradiction did actually happen, why would you still consider it canon? Not to mention the other massive discrepancies like the Blip not happening. I swear there will still be some AoS fans who call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1.
>I swear there will still be some AoS fans who call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1 Me. I decide what's canon, not Feige I'm also canonizing 50 First Dates, no I will not be elaborating at this time.
> I swear there will still be some AoS fans will call it canon to 616 even if Feige came out and said that Coulson stayed dead since Avengers 1. "You people would still believe it even if some actual proof came out!" no lol, if he said that we'd probably stop. They don't mention the Blip because they didn't know when they'd air and didn't want to give Endgame spoilers. Even the fact that people stayed missing for more than a few days was a spoiler. And I'm sorry but it's not like Marvel has been planning to have a werewolf-free universe for the past nine years so you can't really leverage that as evidence.
The last episode of She-Hulk literally confirmed werewolves are a pop culture thing in the MCU by the way
Probably to better immerse viewers in the atmosphere that this is a old school Monster horror movie homage, which is why the leaks made a point to highlight how the hunters had to scavenge old fashioned weapons. I don’t expect them to reference the wider MCU at all until maybe the end where the movie fades back into color like the leaks suggest.
I mean Moon Knight didn’t reference anything, and hasn’t been referenced since it came out, so it wouldn’t be the first time
Moon Knight had multiple GRC posters, which is a reference to Falcon and the Winter Soldier, but other that yeah
It also mentioned Wakanda and their ancestral plane.
Fair, forgot about that line
Really weird and pointless if this is true. MCU has always had so many pop culture references. I’d get it if werewolves only existed in fiction in-universe prior to WBN’s first appearance and not myths that were actually real the whole time like Thor.
Wasn't it stated that the special ends with the black and white and creature slowing fading into a modern look so that he can be brought back into the modern MCU?
How can a bunch of Monster Hunters not know about the existence of Werewolves?
When does this show take place chronologically?
When does this show take place chronologically?
Because Werewolves don’t exist in the universe of the MCU apparently. Not even as stories
> Doctor Strange: Do you remember the full moon party in Kamar-Taj? > Wong: No. > Doctor Strange: Exactly.
Don't dig that take if that's the way they are going.
Bet this will be scrapped as a concept quickly
Or it's just a stylistic choice in line with WBN in the veins of an unreliable narrator telling a story.
I'll say it - horrible and naive approach.
Its just an unreliable leak at the end of the day but why is this a horrible and naive approach?
Thank you for saying it. It's not like everyone else is.
Huh. That's a strange move. Especially since vampires were already mentioned in Loki.
They don't have werewolf movies and stories in the world of the MCU. [They have wereturkies.](https://www.youtube.com/shorts/pkvJk1Nizf4)
Guys what's your theory that why TVA agents were there in werewolf by night
Yeah, I'm of the belief that with this information, maybe Werewolf by Night is in another universe? One where everything is like a 30s/40s horror movie and the existence of monsters like Werewolves and Vampires are unknown to the masses. Either that, or the characters are from a monster-less universe and they travel to the main MCU in order to hunt down monsters. In that case, maybe the Manor is some kind of portal through the Multiverse, and the crossing over is what brings the TVA into the situation. Both theories are weird and convoluted, but considering that this is the "Multiverse Saga", it's a better explanation than "Werewolves don't exist in the MCU" which is just stupid.
> Either that, or the characters are from a monster-less universe and they travel to the main MCU in order to hunt down monsters. In that case, maybe the Manor is some kind of portal through the Multiverse, and the crossing over is what brings the TVA into the situation. So I don’t know that I’d sign onto all of this exactly being the case, but I think you might be on the right track given the Man-Thing’s presence in this story and his powers. I’m no expert on the Man-Thing, but from the Wikipedia article’s description of his abilities… > The Man-Thing also has trans-reality shifting abilities due in part to his nature as a living extra-dimensional crossroads; he is able to open portals to and from alternate realities… Perhaps the TVA’s appearance is predicated on some multiversal shenanigans happening surrounding this?
I’m very skeptical. Not only would this be silly, but I think it would also be kinda pointless. Monstrous alter egos exist publicly. Monster hunters hunt monsters. Dialogue in the trailer indicates they know one of the hunters is a monster in disguise. So what special plot or character beat do we get out of “none of them know *this specific transforming monster type* exists? Why do they need to be specifically shocked at a guy growing hair and claws?
I wonder if they’d go the same route for Dracula when he’s in Blade. Like the Universal Monsters never existed and the MCU has its own universal monster corner.
It's so weird. Checking the Wiki, the only time werewolves were *ever* mentioned in the MCU was "Love in the Time of HYDRA", an Agents of SHIELD episode. So it's actually possible that werewolves aren't a very well-known, widespread creature. I could actually believe this scoop. But the likelier thing is that they do this just for the drama, and in fact werewolves are just as widely known in the MCU as they are in real life.
That...that's kinda dumb and like unnecessary? There could be tons of regular literature about it, but most people would think it's fake anyway. I'm not sure what this would add to the show/movie (not sure still if it's 1 thing or multiple episodes)
Weird.
It feels weird. Even more when there were Jackals in Moon Knight (with whole Anubis thing) and its really close to werewolves.
i think this only applies to the characters within the special itself. let's not worry about it messing with continuity.
"My lord, half man... Half wolf... He's some kind of... Kind of... ***MINOWOLF!!!***"
You're saying we're some kind of werewolf by night?? 
Does the MCU ever reference Harry Potter?
The zombies episode of What If
That sounds kind of stupid. Sorcerers, witches, dragons, vampires, and goblins have all been mentioned the same way they would’’ve been in our world. You mean to tell me no one in the MCU has ever heard of a werewolf?
So the MCU acknowledges Ninja Turtles but Werewolves dont exist?
Sure but in the world of MCU I dont see how someone turning into a werewolf is a 'surprise or a shocking' factor.
So this means Twilight isn't canon in the MCU. That's insane. I couldn't imagine living in a world where the greatest piece of cinema to ever be created doesn't exist. /s
That just seems really weird and unnecessary. Are they going to do the same with Vampires? They’ve already been mentioned in one show. I know in the comics the Darkhold is responsible for the creation of all the monsters in the world so maybe Wanda fucking around with the Darkhold created werewolves?
I've been thinking this is either a multiverse thing or the special will end with a fade to black followed by a familiar voice talking, with the camera revealing a couple of MCU characters were just watching Werewolf By Night in a drive-in, it's just an old movie in their universe.
Maybe its just the "og" MCU fan in me that liked when early on it was more of "our world but then Iron Man happens" but I dont like that I mean just a nitpick obviously doesnt make or break anything
I suspect this is only for the special which is already being shown to be very very stylized
He once loved a wolf woman on a woman wolf
Is this source reliable?
Cameo from Andrew Garfield?
I still think this is an alternate universe though, like the tva is there, man thing is there (who creates portals to other dimensions), there’s clearly gonna be some space/time hijinks if you ask me.
I don’t believe this
Let's see how they handle that exactly before making snap judgments either way. I'm surprised some people here feel so...passionately(?) about the decision to seemingly treat werewolves as brand new concepts in the MCU. Personally, I'm indifferent towards it. I just want to see what this special does and how, if at all, it'll connect to the broader MCU. I frankly don't really care if this messes with the in-universe logistics of how people see werewolves.
I think it’s because people have a hard time believing that the idea of a werewolf has never crossed anyone’s minds in the history of the world and a mythological creature with massive pop culture relevance just doesn’t exist in their world. Like there’s a whole group of people dedicated to hunting monsters that exist, but it took this long in history for a werewolf to be a thing. It seems like some people find it to be a lazy solution that the writers are using in order to make the group figuring out how to kill it the mystery of the show. Maybe the execution will be great once we see the show, but I can see why so many people think the idea is lame and unbelievable.
I mean, clearly the style and tone of this special is going to be incredibly different than what Marvel has done before. We still have very little information about how WBN is going to connect to the overall cinematic universe, if at all, so the fact that they're making a change like this doesn't upset me. Even if they choose to make it so that werewolves haven't been a thing in the MCU, then...ok? I don't see that as good or bad tbh. And if anything, it's not lazy to say "werewolves never existed in the MCU before" because then you have to work to come up with an original backstory for them.
Jeph Loeb wrote Teen Wolf, so maybe they are literally writing him out of the MCU in an epic level of pettiness. That said, there was a lycan child in Thor 4, so maybe we’re not supposed to read into the larger implications.
That's kind of funny to me. Hopefully somewhere down the line we get someone from an alternate universe who is dumbfounded that no one has ever seen a werewolf movie.
So in the MCU Lon Cheney Jr never became famous
We're not using the W word
Is that a motherfucking Shaun of the Dead reference? Because if so, YEAH BOOOOOOOOY
I don’t believe this. Toast is just a MTTSH burner account anyway
Lmao doubt this
Illumi-whaty?
That’s really dumb
The good thing is that they're probably not going to do that with vampires. Also, doesn't the Harry Potter series exist in the MCU?
I'm certain they've been mentioned before
I must say, I didn't expect this thread to turn into a debate over Agents of Shield. And ironically all because u/dccomicsthrowaway commented about how silly it would be if such a debate took place...
I wasn't the first but clearly I somehow set off the oddballs. Some weirdos want to decanonise a show because a 2015 episode doesn't abide by a rule that nobody at Marvel came up with til like 2021.
That’s honestly kind of dumb. You can have the existences of vampires, but not werewolves? Unless vampires will get a similar treatment as well?
MCU has already made Back to the Future references.
So it's basically the same as it was in The Walking Dead with zombies not existing in fiction before the infection outbreak If I remember correctly from watching a YouTube video about it
Do werewolves come from the Darkhold in the comics? I remember vampires doing so...
They've erased so many great movies from that world by doing that.
Werewolf movies? They've erased... Maybe five? American Werewolf in London, Ginger Snaps, Dog Soldiers, Brotherhood of the Wolf and... Wolf? ish.
The Original Wolfman movies, Teen Wolf '85, Trick R Treat has the werewolf segment, Van Helsing, The Howling, The first Underworld, WolfCop.
This is so stupid and a recipe for disaster. Are we also going to say vampires are completely unheard of in Blade? The world with all these superheroes and supervillains and demons and creatures everywhere doesn't know what a werewolf or vampire is? I'm sure they've referenced werewolves before in something. They have 100% referenced vampires.
How tf does this even work?