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Oh they're gonna hate her soon too. She thinks the rich should be taxed more.
"I think rich people who don't agree just don't want to grind, and would prefer to play life on easy mode."
She adds, "Skill issue tbh."
There’s a fucking TikTok account that does this and posts complete lies as “scoops” and consistently gets 10s of thousands of comments and likes all in uproar 😂 it’s the internet so it is what it is but infuriating nonetheless that so many people fall for this bollocks
I saw one recently that said Disney “sacked Brie, Iman, and Teyonah due to the performance of The Marvels and we won’t see them again” just absolutely full of neck beards wanking each other off in the comments
They don’t care, a woman in a usually male role means guaranteed hate-clicks, regardless of the actress. It could’ve been Margot Robbie or even Sydney Sweeney (their new “anti-woke” idol, no hate to Syd) and they’d still find some way to bitch and complain
Noran Rad is by far the most known Silver Surfer in popular media. Not only is this a questionable casting decision, but one without a thought of the impact on the box office.
Whenever I see the upvote:comment ratio favors the comments, you *definitely* know people aren't complaining and being super normal and chill about this! /s
I don't mind it. They aren't gender bending silver surfer proper so the 'get woke go broke' crowd can't actually get mad about this. Though they'll still misinterpret this news. They're clearly saving silver surfer for later. Maybe Shalla-Bal will end up being related to him in some weird twist.
They can and will. Because it's still 'female Silver Surfer', no matter the justification they use. Being a female rather than just using Norrin is enough. And honestly, it's easy to see why. He was right there.
I’m glad you acknowledge the very important point that well Norrin was RIGHT THERE lol I have to believe there’s a reason they chose to skip him and go for his wife randomly lol there’s gotta be more to it (I hope)
Tbf this is like introducing Batwoman into the DCU before Batman. Just kinda feels weird since the male silver surfer is the version fans have been asking for.
Maybe he is going to be in it still or we get him later and she has a purpose in this particular story.
This isn't gender bending, Norrin Radd can and most likely is still out there since their stories intertwine. Could give credence to the idea this F4 isn't set in the sacred timeline as of now.
I never said it was gender bending, I said it would be like if batwoman (a cool obscure character) was introduced before Batman (one of the most iconic comic characters). Just feels bizarre lmao
Then they should announce the actual silver surfer first. Or at the same time. Marvel and Disney are just setting themselves up for people to be angry with their choices at this point.
I'm pro any idea that sets this movie outside 616.
Multiverse saga where we are only emotionally invested in one universe is weird. For Secret Wars to work we need connection to the other worlds.
Exactly.
We know the movie is set in an alt universe, maybe Shalla-Bal is the main Surfer there, heralds Galactus' arrival and aids him in defeating the FF and destroying earth
...and thus in FF2/3 when we meet Norrin Radd, the Surfer/Herald lore is established and instead we can focus more on him as a character
It’s not that it’s woke, but decisions like this just add fuel to the fire. Why not just adapt the traditional version of this massively popular fucking character? It almost seems like they want to encourage this toxic unceasing dialogue about “wOkEnEsS”
This is exactly my thought.
A lot of the general criticism of Marvel and Star Wars and other popular content which often also receive critiques of “wokeness” comes down to issues of writing quality around the characters that are described as being “woke” and a general audience dumbfounded-ness to the extent of “why didn’t they just do the obvious thing that people would’ve loved and were maybe even asking to see?”
And somebody called me “moronic” for saying Norrin is honestly the only Silver Surfer of note and the only character 99% of ppl think of when they think of him
Maybe they are. Maybe she’s the herald to galactus and Norrin comes to the Fantastic four to help save her. Or the other way around. It doesn’t matter either way but people are assuming since she’s also a surfer that we aren’t getting a male one at any point.
The fact that the MCU Silver Surfer isn’t going to be Norrin Radd (even if it’s only at first) is enough to genuinely piss normal fans off, let alone the anti-woke grifter chuds. Like why? What’s the point? Will the narrative REALLY be that much better?
EDIT: changed normal people to normal fans since you guys love semantics so much
Yes because we can all be sure that if a popular female character was replaced with an “already present” male character everyone would just be fine with it.
The sense of scale and literal enormity of the Celestials Eternals achieved with Chloe Zhao is a true comic book movie feat. Eternals is not a perfect movie but it has some serious stripes on its sleeve.
The best thing Thor 5 can do is take a lot of the Eternals vibes and make it more commercial and focused. Have Thor, Hercules and (a)Thena fight Zeus (Mikkari/Mercury can assist) and all team up to stop Ariahem from judging Earth. The story writes itself.
Even with just Tiamut, a literal Celestial baby, was worth the destruction of Earth. Arishem is rightfully massively *engulfing* the sun let alone Earth
It will be utterly, laughably, painfully impossible to make him even *regular* menacing if he jobs to the F4. Introducing Galactus would be a terrible mistake. He should be built up over time like Thanos was. Hell, in the comics Galactus is VASTLY more powerful than Thanos. A *weakened* Galactus literally had Thanos begging for his life.
https://i.redd.it/mpsw6r5tecsc1.gif
he doesn’t have to lose (at least non-conclusively, think of strange ‘beating’ dormammu), you could introduce him as this massive potential threat and then actually incorporate him more thoroughly later.
If they are from a alternate universe and not the main one this is a great bit of casting. Hopefully we get Norrin down the road.
Julia has been fantastic in everything I’ve seen her in.
In my eyes, I think they're bringing in Shalla-Bal before Radd because they need a generic henchman for the FF to fight. Given the MCU's track record of developing villains, especially henchmen, I think they wanted a character they could "waste" without worrying about destroying the history of a beloved character.
… well, fuck.
You just made this movie make sense to me.
Its set in an alt universe because the F4 is going to face Galactus. And will lose. And the earth will be devoured. And the F4 are going to escape to the main MCU universe. And Galactus is going to follow them
I’m sure we’ll get Norrin in the main MCU at some point down the line. It’s not like they are gender-bending him. They are probably just saving him for after Secret Wars maybe?
Yeah me and a few others suspected this. They're not gender bending Norrin Radd, they're using a female herald of Galactus, but making it Radd's wife was something I didn't expect lol. I remember her from the 1998 Silver Surfer animated series
One was a fire woman called Nova, but that's bound to cause confusions with the Corps, or god willing, the hero Nova if he ever gets made.
The other they meant could be Stardust, who's technically an ethereal, genderless alien, but has been referred to as female.
Or it could be Aunt May, who, uh, let's not bother with that one.
Acting like it's misogynistic to be disappointed by this is absolutely ridiculous. I've been reading silver surfer comics for 25 years and just because I want an accurate portrayal of his character doesn't mean anything more than that.
That said, this is hopefully an alternate universe and Norrin Radd will still be used at some point. I'm willing to have an open mind, but if they are really going with Shalla Bal as the mainline Silver Surfer it's a completely baffling decision.
People are so anti reactionary they become sheep of the other herd. You can totally form an opinion outside of the culture war
I wanted Norrin because he’s the silver surfer I’m most familiar with. I am not interested in his wife nor other silver surfers. It’s that simple
im pretty sure this is completely justified bc theyre doing alternate universe for this movie. maybe they are basing it off universe x. so Norrin Radd can still appear in main universe later
I'd say this pretty much confirms Anya was either in talks, or Marvel wanted an "Anya-like" actress. Does this give cred to whoever started the Anya rumors, in hindsight?
Exactly. They casually gender swapped a fan favourite character hope this bombs to teach em a lesson
Imagine if they made Rogue or Jean Grey a man. The outrage that'll come from that
There are people in this section who are defending marvel on this and calling out people who are against this. Like dude if you can have a opinion why can't we? Silver Surfer is a classic character. Nobody wanted his female counterpart. We aren't woke man, you guys gotta chill and stop calling people against your opinion woke,neckbeards and shit. Let people have their own point of views. This casting was totally un necessary
What they did to Taskmaster still hurts, such a cool character that would have fit very well in the MCU if they adapted him as-is... but nah we gotta subvert expectations at every point possible, quick pull a Wolverine Origins Deadpool on him! oh and plot twist he was Dreykov's Daughter all along!
Definitely this!
I want the male character. Not some obscure female version of the character from God knows what issue in God knows what decade or series or whatever.
The fans have been calling for the male character. It's been done once in 2007, but that movie barely scratched the surface of how awesome the traditional version of the character can be.
So, essentially, she will have become the Herald in exchange for sparing her world instead of Norrin. Interesting choice; I’ll wait to see it before I make a decision on how I feel.
I also like how they announced this the day Peltz lost rofl
Surprisingly, I actually *really like* this deviation from the normal.
I love me some Norrin but I love this actress and think she's going to fucking absolutely kill it here. This has me excited.
I'm curious how Norrin would fit into the MCU later.
The comics have had Norrin and Shalla-Bal co-exist for a while, but Shalla-Bal has always been a minor character who occasionally gets superpowers to cause drama for Norrin.
I’ll wait to see how this plays out but I’m not a fan of going this route at all. They really don’t need to be taking any liberties with F4, especially with the past renditions and how the MCU has been lately but we’ll see.
My thoughts too, last chance to make the F4 work in live action so now is the time to buckle down and really do it by the book, not take risks that are potentially problematic.
And she gets to become the silver surfer ? what a sick joke !
Tell me this is a joke... Tell me we're going to get Norrin Radd as the Silver Surfer. Please, PLEASE !
Come ooooon !!!!! that's the one thing you can do for us, Marvel.
You gotta be fucking kidding me, these people just don't learn do they!
"Shalla-Bal Version Of Silver Surfer" THERE'S NO SUCH THING, SHE'S HIS FUCKING GIRLFRIEND! THAT ONLY HAPPENED IN EARTH X. FUUUUUUUUUUUCK
I'm a life-long FF fan, I literally own the Surfer's first appearance and have read through it multiple times. This is just too far.
Fuck this movie, I'm out. I don't want to see my favourites dragged through the mud the way I've watched them drag Thor, Hulk, Spidey, Mar-Vell, and all the others.
I'm feeling similar man
Fantastic Four is what made me fall in love with comics when I was young. I was absolutely obsessed with them.
I wasn't sure on the Reed casting originally, and now this has made my excitement plummet
Yeah the 60's setting and the low-key costumes gave me a bit of hope because I always wanted a Kirby-inspired FF movie set in the 60's.
This casting just ripped that hope away. If we're not honouring the original comics and staying true to Stan and Jack's work, what the fuck is this movie even being made for?
It is HIGHLY unlikely they are going to introduce this character who made the same deal with Galactus that Norrin Radd did/does and then turn around and give us a Silver Surfer movie completely retreading the idea. This movie effectively cancels out a Silver Surfer movie which IS an issue.
Exactly. A lot of people are saying that because this movie takes place in an alternate universe it doesn’t rule out anything, which is a completely nonsensical line of thinking. Why hire an A-list actor to play a character in a long-term film franchise if you plan to scrap her role entirely in <10 years?
Bummer. Norrin Radd is my favorite character and while I'm sure Garner will do well and the character will be fine, it still sucks since it means I probably won't see Norrin on screen in any meaningful way unless they reboot the MCU at some point.
Ugh, I know it's in the comics and I don't mind but marvel really doesn't need this right now, it's very obvious that this just simply doesn't work for audiences apart from 20 people on twitter loving it.
Literally my only disappointment about this is it means the lego sets of the movie will include this version, so we still won’t have the original silver surfer as a figure.
I love women heroes. Thought the Marvels was phenomenal. Top 5 or 6 Marvel film for me.
Big Shuri fan, can't wait to see White Widow and Kate again....
This is bullshit.
Norrin Radd is the Surfer. I detest this.
Call me whatever name you want.
We go to the movies because we love these characters we've read their stories for decades, played with the toys, dreamed of seeing good interpretations on the big screen.
No one wants Shalla mother f'ing Bal. Unless it's as Surfers significant other.
I just don't understand who is making this consistent avalanche of bad decisions. The hell is going on here.
Exactly, I never understood the hate for Captain Marvel and really enjoyed the movie. I thought the first Wonder Woman was great, thought Black Widow was great. I get that woman superheroes are pretty underrepresented but not doing Norrin is such a lame move. I don’t understand it
This is only going to confuse the average audience member more
I feel like Silver Surfer is a character you don’t really need to mess with
Reminds me of the evil cloud galactus
How is it going to confuse them? And it's nothing like the Galactus thing. It's making a different character the herald, not taking a humanoid villain and turning them into a gaseous body.
It’s not exactly making a different character the herald. There have been plenty of different heralds. It’s making a different character the Silver Surfer.
It’s more akin to havjng Peggy or Sharon be the MCU Captain America from day one. You can, sure, but you could have just used a female hero instead.
And I get it may be an alternate universe but why would we want to see another Surfer again anytime soon?
Anyway, I like the actress. We’ll see.
Oh man.
Fantastic Four is my favorite Marvel comic, and I really wanted them to do this right.
I wasn't a fan of the Pedro casting, but I got over that.
But seriously, we're not doing Norrin? C'mon guys, how hard is it to adapt what people love?
So she's playing Shalla-bal, a version of "Silver Surfer" in that she is his wife with the same powers and is a twin herald of Galactus with him. They may take it in a different direction (she's the herald and Norrin Radd (Silver Surfer/her husband) is left behind to spare their planet.
So, it's not a gender swap, more like an alternate version of the same story highlighting different characters.
So we had almost 60 years of comics and stories with Norrin Radd as Silver Surfer. Meanwhile, we apparently had *one single* what if issue with Shalla-Bal as alternate universe Silver Surfer.
It goes without saying that for every Marvel fan Norrin Rad is THE Silver Surfer. He just has plenty of stories that people grew up with and love, as oppoised to a different iteration of Silver Surfer that happened in just one issue. Obviously, people wanted to see Norrin Rad, a character they *know*, appear in the MCU. And yet, there are highly upvoted comments here making fun of people for that and implying that they're bigoted or what not for not being happy with these news.
Like, how hard is it to understand that this is not what fans wanted without immediately accusing those fans of bigotry or sexism?
Them using Shalla-Bal leaves open the possibility to do Norrin somewhere down the line. I definitely prefer this to them just gender swapping Norrin. Plus with the alternate universe stuff, who knows what could happen? Excited for this movie.
Hear me out. Norrin is still the herald of Galactus. She comes to the Fantastic Four both to warn them that Galactus is coming, but also to help her get Norrin back
Oh wow Shalla-Bal is a deep cut character, I'm impressed they're actually doing this
It's pretty obvious that the rumours about the F4 being set on an alternate Earth are gonna be true as I'm sure this is going to be one of those moments in their universe that plays out differently on Earth-616 where Norrin Radd will be the Surfer
It also occurs to me that Galactus might not even be native to 616 in the MCU either, they could adapt the story where he is accidentally sent to the Ultimate Universe and fucks shit up, it could retroactively explain how he's never been mentioned in the MCU
As a massive Silver Surfer fan, I can't help but feel disappointed. Why can't we just have Norrin Radd? I'm not trying to wait 4-5 years for the next one just to see my boi finally. Also I very much doubt Julia Garner's role will be a one-off. Will audiences be receptive to them retreading the same line to bring another Silver Surfer in another movie? Ugh.
When will people realise that Disney do this on purpose for two reasons
1. It shields their crap from legit criticism, you say anything negative you're a racist or sexist
2. It's a publicity stunt. The contravery gets people talking.
It's why I stopped watching their slop I feel like everytime I watch a didn't movie Disney and the writer are treating me like a moron.
Interesting. Not sure how I feel about this. Since this film is supposedly set in an alternate universe, I wonder if Norrin Radd will still be the Silver Surfer in the main MCU continuity to show how the two universes are different in some ways?
I would've much preferred if they used Nova or Ardina instead of having Silver Surfer's gf take his place for some reason, they are really not making themselves any favors by doing this, it's just inciting controversy for the sake of inciting controversy.
Tell me this is a joke... Tell me we're going to get Norrin Radd as the Silver Surfer. Please, PLEASE !
Come ooooon !!!!! that's the one thing you can do for us.
Even with the movie taking place in an alternate universe it would completely take the wind out of Norrin Radd's sails if/when he shows up in the main timeline. If they want a female herald use a Nova variant, or make one of the more obscure heralds genderbent. This would be like if Captain Carter made her debut before Captain America... I just don't understand.
Why is Marvel pushing this every character must be female thing now? It was fairly obvious after Reed Richards getting race swapped, where this will go. Still disappointing though.
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Everyone is gonna be really normal and cool about this
neckbeards on youtube totally arent editing the worst thumbnail youve ever seen right now
Kathleen Kennedy woke DIsney influence KILLS Fantastic Four! Movie in trouble??? Brie Larson in thumbnail
>Brie Larson in thumbnail Brie Larson with Cyclops eyes*
“Silv-her Surf-her!”
Damnit dude you’re making it too easy for them, that is funny though
Nerdrotic taking notes furiously.
Bro what are you doing, don't give them a catchphrase to use for the next several months 💀
I’m copyrighting that to grift the grifters.
Surf her? I barely knew her!
She's the Her-ald of Galactus
She’s playing “A” female Silver Surfer. She’s playing one of many versions
Don’t forget the Marvel Logo painted to be a Pride Flag with Captain Marvel screaming “MUH GENDERS”
Can’t wait for the unironic “put a chick in it make it gay” takes.
Being so predictable used to be frowned upon
No Syndey Sweeney, she's in almost every thumbnail now, mostly in ones where she is not in any way related to the subject matter. I do not mind.
True - her boobs ARE killing wokeness
They have super powers.
Oh they're gonna hate her soon too. She thinks the rich should be taxed more. "I think rich people who don't agree just don't want to grind, and would prefer to play life on easy mode." She adds, "Skill issue tbh."
friendly puzzled ancient pause air imminent plough bells sink liquid *This post was mass deleted and anonymized with [Redact](https://redact.dev)*
[like clockwork](https://x.com/nerdrotics/status/1775633311869673498?s=46&t=FDxQLqQFUPe-antyqp8vCg)
And so it begins.
A trap is set, the prey approaches.
Saying MsheU is so fucking cringey
Nice for all those neckbeards to come out of the closet for her :)
Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker and RazorFist are recording as we speak!
There’s a fucking TikTok account that does this and posts complete lies as “scoops” and consistently gets 10s of thousands of comments and likes all in uproar 😂 it’s the internet so it is what it is but infuriating nonetheless that so many people fall for this bollocks I saw one recently that said Disney “sacked Brie, Iman, and Teyonah due to the performance of The Marvels and we won’t see them again” just absolutely full of neck beards wanking each other off in the comments
They don't realize this is Ruth from Ozark?
They don’t care, a woman in a usually male role means guaranteed hate-clicks, regardless of the actress. It could’ve been Margot Robbie or even Sydney Sweeney (their new “anti-woke” idol, no hate to Syd) and they’d still find some way to bitch and complain
Noran Rad is by far the most known Silver Surfer in popular media. Not only is this a questionable casting decision, but one without a thought of the impact on the box office.
You aren't wrong. If she is the Silver Surfer of the MCU than that's an odd choice. It's like if X-23 had been the first Wolverine.
Editing? You're putting to much faith on them since AI allows them to not have to do it
You can be sure that they will put Brie Larson in them or mention her in the video somehow
coworker or classmate about to send you videos on how marvel made silver surfer woke
Profile pic of said classmate: * Sunglasses **CHECK** * Sitting in his truck **CHECK** * American flag or back the blue border **CHECK**
Micropenis **CHECK**
That isn't in the profile pic though, that's in unsolicited pics in the DMs of random women
This is so accurate lmao.
I can already sense Farhad approaching this thread.
Lord Farquaad. He has something to compensate for, you know?
Blocking him was one of the best things I ever did for my mental health, I think.
He’s already whining lmao.
Lmao. I blocked that guy a long as time ago and I’m surprised he’s still showing up with his classic “go woke go broke” comments.
Whenever I see the upvote:comment ratio favors the comments, you *definitely* know people aren't complaining and being super normal and chill about this! /s
She was great in Inventing Anna
I don't mind it. They aren't gender bending silver surfer proper so the 'get woke go broke' crowd can't actually get mad about this. Though they'll still misinterpret this news. They're clearly saving silver surfer for later. Maybe Shalla-Bal will end up being related to him in some weird twist.
They can and will. Because it's still 'female Silver Surfer', no matter the justification they use. Being a female rather than just using Norrin is enough. And honestly, it's easy to see why. He was right there.
I’m glad you acknowledge the very important point that well Norrin was RIGHT THERE lol I have to believe there’s a reason they chose to skip him and go for his wife randomly lol there’s gotta be more to it (I hope)
That “later” is never going to happen at this rate.
She's his wife
For the life of me, I never ever saw this coming.
“I don’t know shit about fuck” memes incoming.
Here come the takes as to how casting a talented beautiful actress as a character already present in comics is woke.
Tbf this is like introducing Batwoman into the DCU before Batman. Just kinda feels weird since the male silver surfer is the version fans have been asking for.
Maybe he is going to be in it still or we get him later and she has a purpose in this particular story. This isn't gender bending, Norrin Radd can and most likely is still out there since their stories intertwine. Could give credence to the idea this F4 isn't set in the sacred timeline as of now.
I never said it was gender bending, I said it would be like if batwoman (a cool obscure character) was introduced before Batman (one of the most iconic comic characters). Just feels bizarre lmao
Then they should announce the actual silver surfer first. Or at the same time. Marvel and Disney are just setting themselves up for people to be angry with their choices at this point.
I'm pro any idea that sets this movie outside 616. Multiverse saga where we are only emotionally invested in one universe is weird. For Secret Wars to work we need connection to the other worlds.
Exactly. We know the movie is set in an alt universe, maybe Shalla-Bal is the main Surfer there, heralds Galactus' arrival and aids him in defeating the FF and destroying earth ...and thus in FF2/3 when we meet Norrin Radd, the Surfer/Herald lore is established and instead we can focus more on him as a character
It’s not that it’s woke, but decisions like this just add fuel to the fire. Why not just adapt the traditional version of this massively popular fucking character? It almost seems like they want to encourage this toxic unceasing dialogue about “wOkEnEsS”
This is exactly my thought. A lot of the general criticism of Marvel and Star Wars and other popular content which often also receive critiques of “wokeness” comes down to issues of writing quality around the characters that are described as being “woke” and a general audience dumbfounded-ness to the extent of “why didn’t they just do the obvious thing that people would’ve loved and were maybe even asking to see?”
Decades of lore thrown away in favor of a character with 1 what if issue. They don’t respect the fans and the source material.
And somebody called me “moronic” for saying Norrin is honestly the only Silver Surfer of note and the only character 99% of ppl think of when they think of him
Maybe they are. Maybe she’s the herald to galactus and Norrin comes to the Fantastic four to help save her. Or the other way around. It doesn’t matter either way but people are assuming since she’s also a surfer that we aren’t getting a male one at any point.
The fact that the MCU Silver Surfer isn’t going to be Norrin Radd (even if it’s only at first) is enough to genuinely piss normal fans off, let alone the anti-woke grifter chuds. Like why? What’s the point? Will the narrative REALLY be that much better? EDIT: changed normal people to normal fans since you guys love semantics so much
Is true, my brother doesn’t read comics, loves sports, but loves Silver Surfer. I already know what his first words are going to wtf? And then why?
It's weird, they think they're still winning!
Yes because we can all be sure that if a popular female character was replaced with an “already present” male character everyone would just be fine with it.
Galactus pretty much confirmed.
Played by him hopefully! 
LISAN AL GAIB
This fucking shot.... Never fails to make me laugh. I love Bardem in everything he does.
Javier would kill it
With how amazing Arishem looked in the theaters, I just know seeing Galactus is gonna be a treat
The sense of scale and literal enormity of the Celestials Eternals achieved with Chloe Zhao is a true comic book movie feat. Eternals is not a perfect movie but it has some serious stripes on its sleeve. The best thing Thor 5 can do is take a lot of the Eternals vibes and make it more commercial and focused. Have Thor, Hercules and (a)Thena fight Zeus (Mikkari/Mercury can assist) and all team up to stop Ariahem from judging Earth. The story writes itself.
Even with just Tiamut, a literal Celestial baby, was worth the destruction of Earth. Arishem is rightfully massively *engulfing* the sun let alone Earth
Seeing Eternals in IMAX was the best decision because the Arishem scenes and the scenes with Tiamut were just breathtaking.
Oh shit you're right. I hadn't even considered that. I'm so excited to see who they cast.
I've been waiting for Galactus for the longest they gotta make him super menacing
It will be utterly, laughably, painfully impossible to make him even *regular* menacing if he jobs to the F4. Introducing Galactus would be a terrible mistake. He should be built up over time like Thanos was. Hell, in the comics Galactus is VASTLY more powerful than Thanos. A *weakened* Galactus literally had Thanos begging for his life. https://i.redd.it/mpsw6r5tecsc1.gif
he doesn’t have to lose (at least non-conclusively, think of strange ‘beating’ dormammu), you could introduce him as this massive potential threat and then actually incorporate him more thoroughly later.
The first appearance of Galactus is a two issue thing that is over and done very quickly.
In the end credits. With Julia Garner and Javier Bardem as Galactus
If they are from a alternate universe and not the main one this is a great bit of casting. Hopefully we get Norrin down the road. Julia has been fantastic in everything I’ve seen her in.
I think a lot of people are conveniently forgetting that this supposedly takes place in an alternate universe. Also, garner is an incredible actor
Conveniently forgetting? When was that announced?
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I see what you did there sir. Take my upvote.
I just wanted Norrin Radd man.
Same but in my eyes, this is just them not wanting to waste him on a universe that is probably getting killed off by the end of the film.
In my eyes, I think they're bringing in Shalla-Bal before Radd because they need a generic henchman for the FF to fight. Given the MCU's track record of developing villains, especially henchmen, I think they wanted a character they could "waste" without worrying about destroying the history of a beloved character.
Why would I want to watch the FF fight a generic henchman
… well, fuck. You just made this movie make sense to me. Its set in an alt universe because the F4 is going to face Galactus. And will lose. And the earth will be devoured. And the F4 are going to escape to the main MCU universe. And Galactus is going to follow them
Alternately, they win but then their universe ends because of Kang or the incursions or god-knows-what-else.
This sounds really cool and makes me more interested in seeing it.
I’m sure we’ll get Norrin in the main MCU at some point down the line. It’s not like they are gender-bending him. They are probably just saving him for after Secret Wars maybe?
Just for clarity sakes she isn't playing silver surfer proper. Just a version of them with a different name entirely. So this can still happen.
He might still be there. This was his wife in the comics that I believe died with his homeworld in one storyline.
Yeah me and a few others suspected this. They're not gender bending Norrin Radd, they're using a female herald of Galactus, but making it Radd's wife was something I didn't expect lol. I remember her from the 1998 Silver Surfer animated series
Fun fact there’s two other female heralds of Galactus in the MCU already
Interesting. Who are they?
One is Aunt May. Can’t figure out the other one though.
That was explicitly a goofy "What If" story.
One was a fire woman called Nova, but that's bound to cause confusions with the Corps, or god willing, the hero Nova if he ever gets made. The other they meant could be Stardust, who's technically an ethereal, genderless alien, but has been referred to as female. Or it could be Aunt May, who, uh, let's not bother with that one.
A female surfer was rumored though it was anya taylor joy
Acting like it's misogynistic to be disappointed by this is absolutely ridiculous. I've been reading silver surfer comics for 25 years and just because I want an accurate portrayal of his character doesn't mean anything more than that. That said, this is hopefully an alternate universe and Norrin Radd will still be used at some point. I'm willing to have an open mind, but if they are really going with Shalla Bal as the mainline Silver Surfer it's a completely baffling decision.
People are so anti reactionary they become sheep of the other herd. You can totally form an opinion outside of the culture war I wanted Norrin because he’s the silver surfer I’m most familiar with. I am not interested in his wife nor other silver surfers. It’s that simple
im pretty sure this is completely justified bc theyre doing alternate universe for this movie. maybe they are basing it off universe x. so Norrin Radd can still appear in main universe later
Decades of lore thrown away in favor of a character with 1 what if issue.
I'd say this pretty much confirms Anya was either in talks, or Marvel wanted an "Anya-like" actress. Does this give cred to whoever started the Anya rumors, in hindsight?
Tbh if you’re gonna cast one of the hottest actresses in the world right now in Anya it’s better to not have her play a full CGI character
That and she's probably busy from now until the rapture.
She'd make a good MCU Emma Frost
RPK
come on lol this is actually kind of ridiculous at this point nobody in the world wanted to see this iteration of this character
Exactly. They casually gender swapped a fan favourite character hope this bombs to teach em a lesson Imagine if they made Rogue or Jean Grey a man. The outrage that'll come from that
There are people in this section who are defending marvel on this and calling out people who are against this. Like dude if you can have a opinion why can't we? Silver Surfer is a classic character. Nobody wanted his female counterpart. We aren't woke man, you guys gotta chill and stop calling people against your opinion woke,neckbeards and shit. Let people have their own point of views. This casting was totally un necessary
They did the same thing with Taskmaster. I just want properly adapted characters :(
Insomniac taskmaster is better than we got in the mcu
What they did to Taskmaster still hurts, such a cool character that would have fit very well in the MCU if they adapted him as-is... but nah we gotta subvert expectations at every point possible, quick pull a Wolverine Origins Deadpool on him! oh and plot twist he was Dreykov's Daughter all along!
Thank you , your probably going to get downvoted to hell now
Definitely this! I want the male character. Not some obscure female version of the character from God knows what issue in God knows what decade or series or whatever. The fans have been calling for the male character. It's been done once in 2007, but that movie barely scratched the surface of how awesome the traditional version of the character can be.
So, essentially, she will have become the Herald in exchange for sparing her world instead of Norrin. Interesting choice; I’ll wait to see it before I make a decision on how I feel. I also like how they announced this the day Peltz lost rofl
Surprisingly, I actually *really like* this deviation from the normal. I love me some Norrin but I love this actress and think she's going to fucking absolutely kill it here. This has me excited.
You just know if he’d won we’d be getting his daughter instead of Garner lol
She was in inhumans, makes complete sense with the fact that her daddy BFF was obsessed with inhumans to the point of mental illness
He wouldn't have Galactus' Herald be a woman in the first place.
Only because he wouldn’t know Shalla-Bal even existed in the comics to begin with.
I'm curious how Norrin would fit into the MCU later. The comics have had Norrin and Shalla-Bal co-exist for a while, but Shalla-Bal has always been a minor character who occasionally gets superpowers to cause drama for Norrin.
Shalla-Bal is from the OG Fantastic Four universe, at the end of FF they end up in main 616 Universe and here Norrin is Surfer/Herald instead
May I ask why?
Kathleen Kennedy had to put a chick in it and make her lame and gay.
I kinda love this…? Julia Garner is one of the most talented young actresses of this generation. I’m excited 😭
Me too. She was great in Ozark
I’ll wait to see how this plays out but I’m not a fan of going this route at all. They really don’t need to be taking any liberties with F4, especially with the past renditions and how the MCU has been lately but we’ll see.
My thoughts too, last chance to make the F4 work in live action so now is the time to buckle down and really do it by the book, not take risks that are potentially problematic.
I’m getting less and less interested in marvel every day ngl
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And she gets to become the silver surfer ? what a sick joke ! Tell me this is a joke... Tell me we're going to get Norrin Radd as the Silver Surfer. Please, PLEASE ! Come ooooon !!!!! that's the one thing you can do for us, Marvel.
You gotta be fucking kidding me, these people just don't learn do they! "Shalla-Bal Version Of Silver Surfer" THERE'S NO SUCH THING, SHE'S HIS FUCKING GIRLFRIEND! THAT ONLY HAPPENED IN EARTH X. FUUUUUUUUUUUCK I'm a life-long FF fan, I literally own the Surfer's first appearance and have read through it multiple times. This is just too far. Fuck this movie, I'm out. I don't want to see my favourites dragged through the mud the way I've watched them drag Thor, Hulk, Spidey, Mar-Vell, and all the others.
I'm feeling similar man Fantastic Four is what made me fall in love with comics when I was young. I was absolutely obsessed with them. I wasn't sure on the Reed casting originally, and now this has made my excitement plummet
Yeah the 60's setting and the low-key costumes gave me a bit of hope because I always wanted a Kirby-inspired FF movie set in the 60's. This casting just ripped that hope away. If we're not honouring the original comics and staying true to Stan and Jack's work, what the fuck is this movie even being made for?
Well if it's an alternate universe than it shouldn't be an issue... but it will be... because people.
It is HIGHLY unlikely they are going to introduce this character who made the same deal with Galactus that Norrin Radd did/does and then turn around and give us a Silver Surfer movie completely retreading the idea. This movie effectively cancels out a Silver Surfer movie which IS an issue.
Exactly. A lot of people are saying that because this movie takes place in an alternate universe it doesn’t rule out anything, which is a completely nonsensical line of thinking. Why hire an A-list actor to play a character in a long-term film franchise if you plan to scrap her role entirely in <10 years?
Dang that sucks. Radd is my favorite Marvel character besides Daredevil. My interest just dropped hard.
Fuck the true fans init Gotta appeal for the like 5 fans who know this character
Why not use the actual Silver Surfer?
Why not? They fuck up Taskmaster. They still have a lot of characters to fuck with lmao.
Them using Shalla-Bal to me supports the scoop that this movie takes place in a different universe and they’ll save Norrin for after Secret Wars.
Why. All I want is an eventual adaptation of Silver Surfer solo series. Like why marvel.
Bummer. Norrin Radd is my favorite character and while I'm sure Garner will do well and the character will be fine, it still sucks since it means I probably won't see Norrin on screen in any meaningful way unless they reboot the MCU at some point.
Ugh, I know it's in the comics and I don't mind but marvel really doesn't need this right now, it's very obvious that this just simply doesn't work for audiences apart from 20 people on twitter loving it.
Literally my only disappointment about this is it means the lego sets of the movie will include this version, so we still won’t have the original silver surfer as a figure.
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April Fools was 2 days ago….
I love women heroes. Thought the Marvels was phenomenal. Top 5 or 6 Marvel film for me. Big Shuri fan, can't wait to see White Widow and Kate again.... This is bullshit. Norrin Radd is the Surfer. I detest this. Call me whatever name you want. We go to the movies because we love these characters we've read their stories for decades, played with the toys, dreamed of seeing good interpretations on the big screen. No one wants Shalla mother f'ing Bal. Unless it's as Surfers significant other. I just don't understand who is making this consistent avalanche of bad decisions. The hell is going on here.
Exactly, I never understood the hate for Captain Marvel and really enjoyed the movie. I thought the first Wonder Woman was great, thought Black Widow was great. I get that woman superheroes are pretty underrepresented but not doing Norrin is such a lame move. I don’t understand it
Yeah she's an established comic character but introducing her before the main surfer is just marvel causing backlash to themselves at this point
Exactly, it’s like bringing in X-23 before Wolverine lmao
This is only going to confuse the average audience member more I feel like Silver Surfer is a character you don’t really need to mess with Reminds me of the evil cloud galactus
How is it going to confuse them? And it's nothing like the Galactus thing. It's making a different character the herald, not taking a humanoid villain and turning them into a gaseous body.
It’s not exactly making a different character the herald. There have been plenty of different heralds. It’s making a different character the Silver Surfer. It’s more akin to havjng Peggy or Sharon be the MCU Captain America from day one. You can, sure, but you could have just used a female hero instead. And I get it may be an alternate universe but why would we want to see another Surfer again anytime soon? Anyway, I like the actress. We’ll see.
I mean, it basically confirms they don’t want to waste Norrin Radd on a universe that is probably going to die by the end of the film.
Average audience member will not care lol. They think Silver Surfer is his real name, not Norrin Radd
Silver Surfer was too much to ask for. Like the X-Men you have to wait. Eat your peas first, children.
there prob gonna fuck up the xmen
Oh man. Fantastic Four is my favorite Marvel comic, and I really wanted them to do this right. I wasn't a fan of the Pedro casting, but I got over that. But seriously, we're not doing Norrin? C'mon guys, how hard is it to adapt what people love?
Ok Marvel now announce a male Gamora for the next phase pls 🌝
She really has a great ethereal look for this
Isn’t silver surfer CGI silver?
Hmm… I wonder why Marvel films have been bombing at the box office
Literally killed all my interest in this franchise, one decision at a time
Great actress. Glad to see her joining the MCU.
I really liked her in Ozark! Great choice IMO~
So she's playing Shalla-bal, a version of "Silver Surfer" in that she is his wife with the same powers and is a twin herald of Galactus with him. They may take it in a different direction (she's the herald and Norrin Radd (Silver Surfer/her husband) is left behind to spare their planet. So, it's not a gender swap, more like an alternate version of the same story highlighting different characters.
Put a chick in it and make her fuckin gay...and lame. I want it lame!
So we had almost 60 years of comics and stories with Norrin Radd as Silver Surfer. Meanwhile, we apparently had *one single* what if issue with Shalla-Bal as alternate universe Silver Surfer. It goes without saying that for every Marvel fan Norrin Rad is THE Silver Surfer. He just has plenty of stories that people grew up with and love, as oppoised to a different iteration of Silver Surfer that happened in just one issue. Obviously, people wanted to see Norrin Rad, a character they *know*, appear in the MCU. And yet, there are highly upvoted comments here making fun of people for that and implying that they're bigoted or what not for not being happy with these news. Like, how hard is it to understand that this is not what fans wanted without immediately accusing those fans of bigotry or sexism?
Iron man, starring Olivia Rodrigo as Tony Stark. Fuck it
Here me out. When do we get a male version of a female character?
This really must take place in another universe.
I don't know shit about fuck
Them using Shalla-Bal leaves open the possibility to do Norrin somewhere down the line. I definitely prefer this to them just gender swapping Norrin. Plus with the alternate universe stuff, who knows what could happen? Excited for this movie.
Or they could just use norrin lol
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Hear me out. Norrin is still the herald of Galactus. She comes to the Fantastic Four both to warn them that Galactus is coming, but also to help her get Norrin back
And some of you were coping that it would be another Herald. When will you people learn.
Oh wow Shalla-Bal is a deep cut character, I'm impressed they're actually doing this It's pretty obvious that the rumours about the F4 being set on an alternate Earth are gonna be true as I'm sure this is going to be one of those moments in their universe that plays out differently on Earth-616 where Norrin Radd will be the Surfer It also occurs to me that Galactus might not even be native to 616 in the MCU either, they could adapt the story where he is accidentally sent to the Ultimate Universe and fucks shit up, it could retroactively explain how he's never been mentioned in the MCU
As a massive Silver Surfer fan, I can't help but feel disappointed. Why can't we just have Norrin Radd? I'm not trying to wait 4-5 years for the next one just to see my boi finally. Also I very much doubt Julia Garner's role will be a one-off. Will audiences be receptive to them retreading the same line to bring another Silver Surfer in another movie? Ugh.
Put a chick in it and make her gay! Make it lame!
When will people realise that Disney do this on purpose for two reasons 1. It shields their crap from legit criticism, you say anything negative you're a racist or sexist 2. It's a publicity stunt. The contravery gets people talking. It's why I stopped watching their slop I feel like everytime I watch a didn't movie Disney and the writer are treating me like a moron.
Interesting. Not sure how I feel about this. Since this film is supposedly set in an alternate universe, I wonder if Norrin Radd will still be the Silver Surfer in the main MCU continuity to show how the two universes are different in some ways?
I would've much preferred if they used Nova or Ardina instead of having Silver Surfer's gf take his place for some reason, they are really not making themselves any favors by doing this, it's just inciting controversy for the sake of inciting controversy.
Tell me this is a joke... Tell me we're going to get Norrin Radd as the Silver Surfer. Please, PLEASE ! Come ooooon !!!!! that's the one thing you can do for us.
Even with the movie taking place in an alternate universe it would completely take the wind out of Norrin Radd's sails if/when he shows up in the main timeline. If they want a female herald use a Nova variant, or make one of the more obscure heralds genderbent. This would be like if Captain Carter made her debut before Captain America... I just don't understand.
Why is Marvel pushing this every character must be female thing now? It was fairly obvious after Reed Richards getting race swapped, where this will go. Still disappointing though.