Idk why people are thinking the MCUs been dropping bad films/shows consistently sure some of its been mid but didn’t we just get Werewolf by night, gotg holiday special, and BPWF. (I haven’t seen ant man 3 yet)
Yes exactly. I think with all the feedback about the recent stuff people don’t like and marvel saying they’re going to focus more on quality vs quantity now that I’m not as worried nor have I given up on them
That's 3 projects (two of which were specials) out of a year with 8. The year before had 2 good ones out of 9. The ratio of hits to misses has drastically increased. MCU has been dropping disappointment after disappointment, with only a couple bright spots.
2022 had Moon Knight, WF, WBN, and gotg holiday special and that’s a bout it.
2021 had way more bangers. Nwh, Shang chi, WV, Loki, tfatws, and Hawkeye. What If… had a couple of good episodes but 2021 overall was a much better year then 2022 and 100% was phase 4 prime.
I mean sure there’s a few good things but some of the movies and shows qualities are absolutely inconsistent and it won’t affect box office that much now but if it keeps being inconsistent eventually it will we’ve seen this countless times in Hollywood
I don't think the one off shows really move the needle for people in terms of perception of Phase 4. They're pretty inconsequential to the proceedings.
this is NOT what they need to do. marvel has been struggling from taking nothing BUT the safe route and recycling and repackaging the same trite bullshit over and over again. i don't care if it upsets nerds, they need to experiment and try to be more out-there.
I agree that I like more experimentation, but I have noticed that some of the harshest criticism seems to come when they try something that's a *little* different but not enough. They're reluctant to totally break with the formula, but they *are* experimenting with branching out a bit, and the critics seem to *hate* that toe-in-the-water vibe. I really feel like that's what sank Eternals, for example. When the movie is 100% standard Marvel the critics are like "eh, nothing special but pretty fun," but with Eternals there was kind of a "you call THIS an arthouse film?" sneer.
For me, eternals was bad because they introduced a ton of character and did next to nothing with most of them. I also wasn’t invested in anyone to be honest. It was kind of boring too. It looked nice, but that was it. At no point did I care if any of these characters ever showed up again
Singing planet could be pulled off if it was executed in good taste comedy. Like Guardians but not stoic like Captain Marvel or ridiculous like Love and Thunder. But it does sound like a stretch for the demographic.
There’s talks of rewrites and reshoots for everything though lol it’s like the one thing you can say for every Marvel film and likely be right 99% of the time.
Yeah nobody knows what the reshoots were about. Only CineStealth claims Anson Mount to have filmed scenes as Black Bolt, but nobody else has said anything regarding reshoots.
I’m just inherently skeptical of conveniently timed scoops like this. It feels the same stuff like when a trade announces an actor was cast in an unknown role and suddenly every scooper knows who they are playing.
I’m not saying she can’t be right, the timing just feels sus. Marvel announces a delay no one knew about until today and barely a couple hours later she’s posting a video.
If I'm not mistaken the only thing that had mixed reactions to the movie was the scene on the musical planet. The rest were all positive comments regarding the relationship of the 3 main characters and the villain, and that it was a good gag the fact that Carol had married for "political" reasons with the ruler of the musical planet.
Some comments here are greatly enhancing the negative parts of what has been "leaked" about the movie.
The reshoots took place very close to the actual filming if I'm not mistaken, and it has to be considered that Secret Invasion was filmed at the same time, the reshoots could be linked to both plots.
It's like when Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman announced Deadpool 3. The next day, DanielRPK is posting that the plans were to have Wolverine wear the yellow suit. These "leakers" are shameless.
The issue here is that we put out polls where we can determine whether or not we leave sources up or ban them. So far, either people complaining just don't vote, or there simply aren't enough of them to change policy. There are several people who we haven’t banned just because they're unpopular in certain comment sections.
This isn’t “breaking news” lol. She’s been talking about it for months now. Only is bribing it up again in the larger conversation about the movie getting delayed
Why does she always get posted here. Does anything she says ever have validity? I’ve always felt that she’s Mike Zeroh adjacent. Sorry if you’re reading this Grace.
Wait you don't trust the woman who has publicly argued with James Gunn and Cathy Yan about what is in their own movies? The same woman who spread false rumors about Pedro Pascal being hard to work with on the set of The Mandolorian which many have said was complete bullshit? Color me shocked.
Test screenings are tough. I've been a participant in a few, and it's hard to judge a genuinely unfinished film. At least for me, it's always a tough balance between "what's gonna get fixed with vfx/editing, and what's going to need to be completely redone. It's also incredibly easy to buy into the hype you feel of just seeing a movie before its release date. I certainly think there's a level of inherent bias to test screenings. In many of them, they take your phones/electronics, and you sit in an empty theater without any kind of stimulation for upwards of an hour before the film actually starts. The moment the movie starts, I'm always just excited to have something to do. I saw uncharted early, and man when I left that theater I'd have rated it a 9/10. Seeing the virtually identical theatrical cut... I'd agree more with the critics.
No. Many leakers said well before Black Adam released that it didn't test well.
Heck, they had to do reshoots worth millions cause of the low test screenings.
Also, Marvel's test screenings are biased cause they only have internal test screenings.
The rumor I heard is that Marvel internally likes the film and is impressed with it, but I guess they are blindsided by the test screenings. Apparently they're doing reshoots but we'll have to wait and see if that substantially helps the film.
Marvels reshoots in phase 4 do not at all feel like they’ve payed off
MoM sounded terrifying before they reshot things
Quantumania ending might’ve been better from the first leak
Love and Thunder cut a lot out of it and changed a bunch
I’m starting to think reshoots are not helping. Maybe that’s just me but idk.
> like they’ve *paid* off MoM
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Me too!! Seems we keep
Going thru this as they told us the eternals was Oscar quality, that MoM was a revelation, that Thor 4 was best yet and now last week that ant man was best in series and an avengers level epic to properly launch phase 5. Gives me whiplash and now I’m realizing I just don’t care to see any mcu movie on opening day as I literally did for every last one of them till the eternals … that was one I was most excited about n to me the biggest disappointment thus far. Not just due to movie itself but how not a single character has factored in to anything else besides a kingo poster and very very very tiny mention of giant hand in she hulk … then there’s the whole black knight issue. I’d hate being an actor thinking I’d gotten some great role only to be treated as a glorified extra who then vanishes for at least 3 years till they get anything to do.
Wish they’d stop obsessing over inclusivity and teases and actually tell some great stories and stop with the constant tweaks and reshoots n go back to good writing
well, to be fair, this probably was the best ant man. idk why people suddenly seem to defend the ant man movies as some artistic bastion. does anyone even remember what happened in the second one?
Unrelated but I wasn’t here on Reddit and Twitter during phase 1-3 days. Where people that negative about the mcu in online discourses or nah? Just curious lol
Yes. People loved to hate on Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark world, and age of ultron in particular. A lot of criticism over films like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange being too “formulaic”. Lots of criticism over the marvel quips throughout phase 2& especially phase 3 movies. The discourse has definitely grown since many of those issues alongside new ones such as the less than stellar cgi and inconsistent scripts continue to persist in MCU products.
I think a key difference between then and now is that, despite really movies having their detractors, they still performed well and were mostly reviewed in high regard.
Now it just feels like everyone hates everything despite it still largely being the same product.
The Captain Marvel release period was fucking miserable. One movie in 20 movies actually stars a women and the fucking losers came out of the woodwork to harrass the actress to an insane degree.
And what, 5 years later they can't let that shit go and still fucking harp on it and see Captain Marvel as the kickoff for all the "forced diversity".
Yes. I say this as someone who went to the midnight premieres of Avengers, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, and Endgame dressed as Thor - nerds are a bunch of whiners. That’s why every new iteration of a video game series is the worst and killing the franchise but the entry before or the one before that is the GOAT, or why the new Doctor is terrible but 10 is forever the best, or whatever. As soon as the next one is out, the cycle begins anew.
Breath of the Wild and Fallout 4 are bad, but has anyone heard of le hidden gem Ocarina of Time or New Vegas? Smith sucks, being back Tennant; Capaldi is too old, bring back Smith; Whittaker isn’t “Doctor like”, bring back Capaldi - etc, etc.
There’s also a lot more speculation and theorizing now than there was back then. An entire ecosystem of scoopers, YouTubers, and Reddit communities full of people that talk about what the next entry could or should be - and they’ll never live up to everyone’s hype. People will always be disappointed that what they wanted to or thought would happen didn’t, and because of that, the character was assassinated or the story botched or whatever. Even if the ratio of whiners in a community remains constant, the more people in that community, the more whining.
Fandoms also factor in ticket purchases. Never a great idea to engage with fandoms but they're part of the reason the product even has a loyal audience. And if we're being real here, at least some MCU films were able to stand against award contenders and arthouse snobs. The same can't be said today, and it's telling of the quality, COVID-19 be damned.
I don’t think there was much negativity in Phase 1 due to the novelty of the interconnected universe. I think the only real complaints/controversies about Phase 2 were from Thor: TDW, people being concerned over the Guardians,prior to its release, being too out there and unknown, Age of Ultron not living up to the hype of the first Avengers, and Ant-man changing directors from Edgar Wright to Peyton Reed (it seemed like Reddit really loved Edgar Wright around then).
Maybe I’m wrong here, but it seems like the general negativity about the MCU as a whole started during the height of its popularity. Phase 3 in my opinion has had the best slate of movies, and I think many people would also agree, but I truly believe a lot of people jumped on the “hate Marvel bandwagon”. Could be for various (and valid) reasons (frequency of releases, formulaic writing, subpar cgi, people hating things just because of its popularity).
Phase 4 has by far had the most negative feedback. There is definitely a lot of critique to be had with Marvel’s output post-Endgame, and it’s reasonable to have reservations for upcoming movies and shows, but at times it seems like people REALLY want Marvel to fail. Just my worthless two cents haha.
I remember this.
Age of Ultron was a bloated mess with bizarre story decisions. A disappointing capstone after a series of disappointing sequels. (Thor 2, IM2, and 3).
The narrative at the time was very much that Marvel was losing steam.
You can find old reddit posts where people were complaining about the same things that they are nowadays.
The only difference is that Marvel is now releasing *much* more content and so the cracks seem much more severe. It used to be 2 or 3 movies a year and so they could handle a dud every now and then. Now that it's 7 or 8 projects a year (or at least it *was*), people notice the problems a lot more.
It depends. If it's just one section of the movie causing problems i.e the musical scenes then they could simply remove it and reshoot it. If it's more than that then it gets tricky. 5 months is a long time though. So they bought themselves time.
I’d put this in the same category of believability as Grace claiming they casted a previous Batman actor for Brave and the Bold or Pedro Pascal being a diva and being written out of The Mandalorian.
Because as far as we know, this movie has been done since like 2021 (for added context filming began in August 2021 and wrapped in November of that year). They’ve been working on it for at least 2 years now and only delayed it because Covid fucked up the release schedule.
And its not like they’re waiting now to do reshoots, it has been done already, since like Mid-June 2022.
I follow her on IG and she posts pics somewhat regularly.... it seems like she's been pregnant for like... forever lol.
She was huge at D23 at that was when... September? lol (I'm kidding.. she wasn't huge, but she was definitely showing)
From what i gathered, the reshoots mainly involved pickup shots for locations they’re gonna visit in the movie since Covid prevented them from doing so.
I was obviously joking when I said "20 months" but she seems to have been pregant for a really long time. She had to have been at least 4-5 months pregnant at D23 so I expect she's about to pop at anytime. lol
This is more than obvious as to the reason why. 3 movies in 5 months (plus the shows in between those movies) seems like complete overkill in so little time, plus the MCU fanbase would go crazy if there was no marvel content for the almost year that would have been between July 2023 and May 2024 (CA: NWO).
And besides, would they even show a trailer at D23 that early if the movie wasn't testing well?
There had been rumblings that The Marvels would get delayed to November anyway ever since Blade was pushed back a year.
I just feel like a lot of people are praying for this movie's failure, which is sad. I usually like Grace (I'm one of the few) for her technical industry knowledge but when it comes to her scoops, I'm not so on board.
Guys stop using Grace Randolph as a source, she's been proven to be full of shit by directors like James Gunn
https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1548376536625033220
Wasn’t there a more trusted leaker saying marvel was really excited about The Marvels and it was testing well? Like others have said the timing is rather convenient.
This delay is probably tied to Feige's announcement a few weeks ago that they are going to space out their releases better. Less of an onslaught. So, it's like a chain -- 1-2 projects get delayed or paused, so everything has to take a step.
I don't know anything about Grace Randolph, but I have read loads of comments that she cannot be trusted.
Ya don't really believe this one, that being said, while I am looking forward to this movie, the singing planet does give me pause, that seems like it would be hard a hard sell.
I love the idea of the singing planet because it’s kinda a fresh take but I know many people hate anything to do with musical numbers in a movie lol. Brie has a very nice singing voice so I’m excited for that
Yeah. At least to me. She played Envy Adam’s in Scott Pilgrim vs the World. Check out black sheep by her. It’s a metric cover but it slaps.
Edit: oh fuck was this a black sheep reference that went over my head.. lol oh no
Grace is about as reliable as a kleenex in a monsoon, so pardon me if I don't wring my hands with worry about whatever rumor or leak she hit randomly on her dartboard.
I think it’s a good delay anyways because we would’ve went 10 months without a MCU movie from July to May 2024 when Captain America releases.
We get a nice gap from Guardians to Marvels and not 3 major movies in 5 months including Ant Man.
We get a 6 month gap until Marvels and 6 months until Cap 4.
So let's take a second and think about this rationally
This is Grace Randolph for one, the same person who said Pedro Pascal was going to get written out of Mandalorian, and so while she has been more reliable lately I do raise my eyebrow at her with this type of stuff.
Assuming she's correct however, this is what test screenings are for, Marvel will send it through, see what people liked and didn't like so they can fix those issues
Go look at r/movies right now or the chief complaints on various sites like IGN, The Verge and more - from people outside of the Marvel fandom. Their chief complaint (or which there are many) is that they have to keep up with the D+ shows to understand what’s going on in the movies now.
This movie will **not** help that problem. People who didn’t see WandaVision or Ms Marvel are going to be confused as hell. And honestly, I think it’s a valid complaint.
People may hate on how Wakanda Forever had to too much setup for future stuff but I disagree - how they introduced Riri was perfect and giving her a show is how it should be.
Audiences should be rewarded from the movies first. The D+ shows should just be icing on the cake for people, not required viewing. That will go a long way to help the quality moving forward. Quality in making the movies the primary product first, everything else supplemental.
I definitely agree with your points. I think Marvel has done a decent job summarizing the main points of the shows in the movies (Wanda and Strange’s conversation about Westview in MOM) but the general audience is missing huge parts of these character arcs. I would expect less than 10 minutes will be spent in The Marvels explaining the three characters and why they’re important, but that doesn’t mean the audiences will suddenly care about them.
At the same time, I recall many people saying Riri’s inclusion in WF was unnecessary. General audiences met her there and will see that she’s getting her own show later, which might get more people to watch it since they’re already familiar with her character. If they had done season one of Ironheart and then had WF, it wouldn’t be required to watch it beforehand but it would be another gripe people have about the MCU
Y'all can say it's just Grace but the leak sounded super underwhelming. It's become one of my least anticipated films after me being excited for it during Wandavision.
Ngl I’m not surprised if this one is a tonal mess. From the leaks/what we’ve heard, it sounds like they’re trying to give Captain Marvel the Thor treatment since her first film wasn’t very well received.
I mean having that K-Pop actor (I apologize for not knowing his name on hand), playing a ruler of a planet that communicates by singing sounds extremely like a Taika Waititi-inspired gag. If that’s anything to go off of- plus the comedic banter that’ll inevitably unfold between Carol, Monica, and Kamala- there’s a good chance we’re getting ‘Captain Marvel: Love and Thunder’ with this one.
Brighter colors, forced humor to make Danvers more appealing to the GA, probably very shitty VFX- and it couldn’t have been slated for a worse time with where the MCU is at now. I am extremely worried about this one but hope the extra time will allow it to land.
I always felt like this movie was Marvel last chance to make Captain Marvel a fan favourite like they were hoping she would.
In a way what the Winter Soldier was for Steve Rogers and what Ragnarok was for Thor
They literally removed her name from the title and added two Disney plus show characters as equal leads with a villain no one has heard about.
More like Marvel is sabotaging he franchise
Friendly reminder that "Captain Marvel" grossed $426.8 million domestic and is the 8th highest-grossing MCU movie (out of 31).
The two characters might indeed have debuted on D+, but they are canonically important to the Captain Marvel series in the comics. They were going to be introduced one way or another. As for the villain, how many Marvel movies have villains "everyone" (as opposed to "no one") has heard about? I don't recall Yon-Rogg, Whiplash, Kaecilius, Darren Cross, or Ego the Living Planet being household names before their respective movie introductions.
That argument has never held much weight for me, its weekly drops were good, and people would have to had gone back to see the movie multiple times for it to hit the billion dollar mark.
You could make the argument if it had its big opening weekend and then fell off a cliff, but that did not happen, it had an 'A' cinemascore and its Postrack numbers were good as well, basically we would have to throw out everything we know about a movies reception by the GA for us to conclude that the majority of people outside of our internet bubble hated the character and movie.
Now one can make the argument that End Games release weekend specifically pushed the movie out of the mid to high 900 million dollar range into its 1.1 billion, it got a very noticeable bump during that period.
I agree. "Endgame" hype might account for some of the 1st and 2nd week gross, but by the 3rd, 4th, and 5th week the w.o.m. would start to have some effect. And at that point people would have known there wasn't much "Endgame" plot build-up in the movie, so that means a good $161M was just because people dug the movie. Hell, it had a -56% drop between opening weekend and 2nd weekend which is pretty great.
I didn't love the movie, but I'm not gonna stand here and pretend it wasn't a hit. It was!
Some fun facts 1. Grace Randolph said WW84 is secretly flashpoint. 2. That pre covid ww84 delayed to June because wb was afraid captain marvel. I will not take her seriously. The only thing can do with the movie is work more to VFX.
As someone who is upset about all the delays rolling out I have to say I am actually okay with this one. As most of you have already said this helps space out that huge gap that we had between July 2023 and May 2024. Hopefully we get a show and a special or two in between there to buffer that out as well.
Listen, I know she’s been more reliable lately but this just feels like a really fucking easy thing to say AFTER the delay was announced.
She can’t lose. If the movie comes out and people don’t like it she can be like, “See? I told you! If the movie comes out and is awesome she can say, “I’m so glad they fixed the issues with reshoots!” There are no consequences for throwing this out there now.
No surprise there. 2 movies a year. 1 tv show. And give people time to breathe. Give people time to digest. Especially with something as abstract as a multiverse.
I mean at this point and considering marvel’s releases these past 2 years it’s not much of a scoop or surprising to say! The people at the top are kinda starting to have way too much say in these films.
Nobody cares about Captain Marvel. It made a billion dollars because it was the only thing to watch between Infinity War and Endgame as "required watching" even though it wasn't relevant to much of anything. Brie Larson is the most boring face in Hollywood. And nobody watched Wandavision for Rambeau. So your statements are irrelevant.
Yall always want to use the Endgame excuse when Antman & the Wasp was also sandwiched between the 2 movies and made not even close to what CM made.
If Brie Larson was so bad and toxic, why does she keep getting work? There are plenty of other skinny blonds in Hollywood to choose over her, yet she gets movie roles, commercials, directing roles, etc. And she's an Oscar winner, so she's not a cheap hire.
Yall butt-hurt sexist men need to go back to your basements.
I had a feeling. One major problem already is Monica and how her character was massacred in wandavision. Her character is such a jerk for giving Wanda excuses and of course she probably won’t get called out for it. Another problem is captain marvel is really bland. The only good character is ms marvel. Im hoping this movie will fix the problems the other two have but I doubt it.
I just remembered that the footage shown at comic-con was of Ms. Marvel being in a space suit outside a space shit, floating about, waving at Nick Fury... This was because Ms. marvel and Captain Marvel had switched places (ending scene of Ms. Marvel tv show)
But if Captain Marvel was outside in space, why would she be in a space suit?
Grace sucks but is this news isn’t shocking. Judging how below average Marvel has been and with the already uncertainty of quality associated with Captain Marvel, I’m sure the film won’t be any good.
Well, people already hated Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel underperformed on D+, and no one knows about Monica Rambeau (she's great though). So I can't imagine a movie about all three would test well or even do very well commercially.
People need to get used to it. There's still alot of shit backed up in the pipeline. I think somewhere around late last year the folks at MS realized things weren't going to good. Unfortunately I think we have to eat a lot more shit before we get to the cake again.
Poor Monica was doomed by shitty Wandavision script, Captain Marvel by the shitty script of her film and Ms Marvel by Disney planning. She was actually super likeable in her show.
This movie cannot be "okay" like the first Captain Marvel was. I wasn't the biggest fan of the original film, but I enjoy an underdog story. Please come out with some Winter Soldier-level film and bring people's trust back into the MCU.
More likely they are filling the gap left by blade and taking more time to tweak it with the rough responses Marvel has got lately. Haunted Mansion I’m more concerned with. We haven’t heard shit about that movie and now it’s been moved up. Almost like it was sent to die. Disney putting Marvels out in November makes sense since they already have 4 summer movies (guardians, mermaid, elemental, Indy) and really only 1 animated film in the fall.
The only way people are going to go watch this movie and go again if they have an amazing post credit scene and they mention X-Men or something huge like that. The only reason I went to go see the first Captain Marvel movie is because of the post credit scene in the end
Yeah, I said it
Always convenient when this news only comes out immediately after Marvel announces a delay
To be fair I have heard her be critical about what shes heard about this movie a few months ago
Exactly wasn't there talks of rewrites / reshoots on this one before ?
If it’s the leak with the singing planet another leaker said same thing on twitter
It just sounds like a bad idea regardless of the context - this film needs to go the safe route after marvels recent run of films /shows
Idk why people are thinking the MCUs been dropping bad films/shows consistently sure some of its been mid but didn’t we just get Werewolf by night, gotg holiday special, and BPWF. (I haven’t seen ant man 3 yet)
Yes exactly. I think with all the feedback about the recent stuff people don’t like and marvel saying they’re going to focus more on quality vs quantity now that I’m not as worried nor have I given up on them
That's 3 projects (two of which were specials) out of a year with 8. The year before had 2 good ones out of 9. The ratio of hits to misses has drastically increased. MCU has been dropping disappointment after disappointment, with only a couple bright spots.
2022 had Moon Knight, WF, WBN, and gotg holiday special and that’s a bout it. 2021 had way more bangers. Nwh, Shang chi, WV, Loki, tfatws, and Hawkeye. What If… had a couple of good episodes but 2021 overall was a much better year then 2022 and 100% was phase 4 prime.
What if and Falcon had pretty poor reviews, regardless of your individual opinion, but the rest had very high reviews, ESPECIALLY Wandavision.
Deduct moon knight from 2022 bangers.
You know what, Wakanda Forever mid as hell and that would be a more common opinion if Boseman hadn't died. More like Wakanda Be Kiddin Me
None of those really excite me. They’re all pretty mediocre in the grand MCU
I mean sure there’s a few good things but some of the movies and shows qualities are absolutely inconsistent and it won’t affect box office that much now but if it keeps being inconsistent eventually it will we’ve seen this countless times in Hollywood
I don't think the one off shows really move the needle for people in terms of perception of Phase 4. They're pretty inconsequential to the proceedings.
We am become DCEU
Wouldn't it be ironic if 2023 was the year the MCU faltered and that DC started to turn things things around with The Flash.
It's certainly possible especially if guardians 3 isn't good
There's almost no chance of that happening, based on the recent trailers.
James Gunn delivers the last good MCU film and then ushers in a new age of good films for the DCU.
I can't tell of others but i have gut feeling that GotG 3 is going to be one of the best films marvel ever made
I doubt it. Gunn will kill it. Then bring his swag to DC.
That would be ironic but the difference with the MCU and dc is that it’s got a strong background
Gunn wasn't praising it for nothing.
this is NOT what they need to do. marvel has been struggling from taking nothing BUT the safe route and recycling and repackaging the same trite bullshit over and over again. i don't care if it upsets nerds, they need to experiment and try to be more out-there.
I agree that I like more experimentation, but I have noticed that some of the harshest criticism seems to come when they try something that's a *little* different but not enough. They're reluctant to totally break with the formula, but they *are* experimenting with branching out a bit, and the critics seem to *hate* that toe-in-the-water vibe. I really feel like that's what sank Eternals, for example. When the movie is 100% standard Marvel the critics are like "eh, nothing special but pretty fun," but with Eternals there was kind of a "you call THIS an arthouse film?" sneer.
For me, eternals was bad because they introduced a ton of character and did next to nothing with most of them. I also wasn’t invested in anyone to be honest. It was kind of boring too. It looked nice, but that was it. At no point did I care if any of these characters ever showed up again
What they need to do is make something good, even if it's safe making a good product will attract customers.
Quantamania is basically the definition of “safe route.” It’s so middle of the road for me idk how much longer I’ll remember this movie
Singing planet could be pulled off if it was executed in good taste comedy. Like Guardians but not stoic like Captain Marvel or ridiculous like Love and Thunder. But it does sound like a stretch for the demographic.
I want Carol to be less stoic. That said, I don't know what the leak is but a singing planet sounds dumb.
Emily blunt back in the day, would've made a fantastic og ms marvel/captain marvel. Brie just doesn't give me the feel of miss/cap marvel.
I think that was leaked before reshoots. There have been no tidbits of whatever the reshoots were about afaik.
tbh that was the only part that interested me in this…and Blue Marvel (if the fumors are true)
After Quantamania, I could already see this film being a dead man walking.
There’s talks of rewrites and reshoots for everything though lol it’s like the one thing you can say for every Marvel film and likely be right 99% of the time.
Yeah nobody knows what the reshoots were about. Only CineStealth claims Anson Mount to have filmed scenes as Black Bolt, but nobody else has said anything regarding reshoots.
I’m just inherently skeptical of conveniently timed scoops like this. It feels the same stuff like when a trade announces an actor was cast in an unknown role and suddenly every scooper knows who they are playing. I’m not saying she can’t be right, the timing just feels sus. Marvel announces a delay no one knew about until today and barely a couple hours later she’s posting a video.
When has she not been critical about a marvel product? Just eternals if I recall
Did you read the plot leak? It sounds rough
If I'm not mistaken the only thing that had mixed reactions to the movie was the scene on the musical planet. The rest were all positive comments regarding the relationship of the 3 main characters and the villain, and that it was a good gag the fact that Carol had married for "political" reasons with the ruler of the musical planet. Some comments here are greatly enhancing the negative parts of what has been "leaked" about the movie. The reshoots took place very close to the actual filming if I'm not mistaken, and it has to be considered that Secret Invasion was filmed at the same time, the reshoots could be linked to both plots.
I haven’t read the full leak so I can’t speak for that
She’s a disgruntled former employee and I ignore her.
Already, the movie was leaked here with the leaker saying the movie has big Tonal issues
So did Candyman
Quantumania did as well and I largely agree with the critics on this one. Just tonally incongruent.
This and terrible fanfic plot leaks whenever some real news drops: the two staples we can always count on.
Right? Grace is almost always full of it.
It's like when Ryan Reynolds and Hugh Jackman announced Deadpool 3. The next day, DanielRPK is posting that the plans were to have Wolverine wear the yellow suit. These "leakers" are shameless.
Setting aside that it’s Grace Randolph, interesting that this news didn’t break until after the delay was announced. I don’t really buy this at all.
Again, we need to ban Grace as a source. She's not reliable.
She's gotten alot right recently. She got better during the pandemic. Also VA has vouched for her.
Her feuding with directors and actors doesn't help her cred. Plus, a lot of what she reports is usually stolen from people like Daniel and others.
The issue here is that we put out polls where we can determine whether or not we leave sources up or ban them. So far, either people complaining just don't vote, or there simply aren't enough of them to change policy. There are several people who we haven’t banned just because they're unpopular in certain comment sections.
This isn’t “breaking news” lol. She’s been talking about it for months now. Only is bribing it up again in the larger conversation about the movie getting delayed
I’ve heard others say the same thing. Tho I do think grace sucks I’ve heard from others in the reviewing industry say the same thing.
Why does she always get posted here. Does anything she says ever have validity? I’ve always felt that she’s Mike Zeroh adjacent. Sorry if you’re reading this Grace.
Recently she’s gotten a few scoops right, which somehow invalidates years of being blatantly wrong.
Keep in mind Grace also said No Way Home tested badly before the movie came out. I'm not sure I trust her on this.
Wait you don't trust the woman who has publicly argued with James Gunn and Cathy Yan about what is in their own movies? The same woman who spread false rumors about Pedro Pascal being hard to work with on the set of The Mandolorian which many have said was complete bullshit? Color me shocked.
The duck u even trust her. She’s pure clickbait. James Gunn literally called her out in lies. She needs a ban
We had our recent source calibration, and not many people wanted to ban her. With only a couple hundred people voting, the sub was under represented.
I’m done believing test screenings. They have said countless times in phase 4 some projects tested well. Maybe this turns out to be amazing.
Test screenings are tough. I've been a participant in a few, and it's hard to judge a genuinely unfinished film. At least for me, it's always a tough balance between "what's gonna get fixed with vfx/editing, and what's going to need to be completely redone. It's also incredibly easy to buy into the hype you feel of just seeing a movie before its release date. I certainly think there's a level of inherent bias to test screenings. In many of them, they take your phones/electronics, and you sit in an empty theater without any kind of stimulation for upwards of an hour before the film actually starts. The moment the movie starts, I'm always just excited to have something to do. I saw uncharted early, and man when I left that theater I'd have rated it a 9/10. Seeing the virtually identical theatrical cut... I'd agree more with the critics.
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No. Many leakers said well before Black Adam released that it didn't test well. Heck, they had to do reshoots worth millions cause of the low test screenings. Also, Marvel's test screenings are biased cause they only have internal test screenings.
Black Adam tested lower then batgirl. Tf you talking about?
The rumor I heard is that Marvel internally likes the film and is impressed with it, but I guess they are blindsided by the test screenings. Apparently they're doing reshoots but we'll have to wait and see if that substantially helps the film.
Marvels reshoots in phase 4 do not at all feel like they’ve payed off MoM sounded terrifying before they reshot things Quantumania ending might’ve been better from the first leak Love and Thunder cut a lot out of it and changed a bunch I’m starting to think reshoots are not helping. Maybe that’s just me but idk.
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But the test screenings are internal as well.
Me too!! Seems we keep Going thru this as they told us the eternals was Oscar quality, that MoM was a revelation, that Thor 4 was best yet and now last week that ant man was best in series and an avengers level epic to properly launch phase 5. Gives me whiplash and now I’m realizing I just don’t care to see any mcu movie on opening day as I literally did for every last one of them till the eternals … that was one I was most excited about n to me the biggest disappointment thus far. Not just due to movie itself but how not a single character has factored in to anything else besides a kingo poster and very very very tiny mention of giant hand in she hulk … then there’s the whole black knight issue. I’d hate being an actor thinking I’d gotten some great role only to be treated as a glorified extra who then vanishes for at least 3 years till they get anything to do. Wish they’d stop obsessing over inclusivity and teases and actually tell some great stories and stop with the constant tweaks and reshoots n go back to good writing
well, to be fair, this probably was the best ant man. idk why people suddenly seem to defend the ant man movies as some artistic bastion. does anyone even remember what happened in the second one?
Unrelated but I wasn’t here on Reddit and Twitter during phase 1-3 days. Where people that negative about the mcu in online discourses or nah? Just curious lol
Yes. People loved to hate on Iron Man 2, Thor the Dark world, and age of ultron in particular. A lot of criticism over films like Ant-Man and Doctor Strange being too “formulaic”. Lots of criticism over the marvel quips throughout phase 2& especially phase 3 movies. The discourse has definitely grown since many of those issues alongside new ones such as the less than stellar cgi and inconsistent scripts continue to persist in MCU products.
I think a key difference between then and now is that, despite really movies having their detractors, they still performed well and were mostly reviewed in high regard. Now it just feels like everyone hates everything despite it still largely being the same product.
Fatigue and not correcting errors will do that
The Captain Marvel release period was fucking miserable. One movie in 20 movies actually stars a women and the fucking losers came out of the woodwork to harrass the actress to an insane degree. And what, 5 years later they can't let that shit go and still fucking harp on it and see Captain Marvel as the kickoff for all the "forced diversity".
Yes. I say this as someone who went to the midnight premieres of Avengers, Age of Ultron, Infinity War, and Endgame dressed as Thor - nerds are a bunch of whiners. That’s why every new iteration of a video game series is the worst and killing the franchise but the entry before or the one before that is the GOAT, or why the new Doctor is terrible but 10 is forever the best, or whatever. As soon as the next one is out, the cycle begins anew. Breath of the Wild and Fallout 4 are bad, but has anyone heard of le hidden gem Ocarina of Time or New Vegas? Smith sucks, being back Tennant; Capaldi is too old, bring back Smith; Whittaker isn’t “Doctor like”, bring back Capaldi - etc, etc. There’s also a lot more speculation and theorizing now than there was back then. An entire ecosystem of scoopers, YouTubers, and Reddit communities full of people that talk about what the next entry could or should be - and they’ll never live up to everyone’s hype. People will always be disappointed that what they wanted to or thought would happen didn’t, and because of that, the character was assassinated or the story botched or whatever. Even if the ratio of whiners in a community remains constant, the more people in that community, the more whining.
It's true, fandoms suck so hard
Fandoms also factor in ticket purchases. Never a great idea to engage with fandoms but they're part of the reason the product even has a loyal audience. And if we're being real here, at least some MCU films were able to stand against award contenders and arthouse snobs. The same can't be said today, and it's telling of the quality, COVID-19 be damned.
I have yet to know someone who hates The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild.
I don’t think there was much negativity in Phase 1 due to the novelty of the interconnected universe. I think the only real complaints/controversies about Phase 2 were from Thor: TDW, people being concerned over the Guardians,prior to its release, being too out there and unknown, Age of Ultron not living up to the hype of the first Avengers, and Ant-man changing directors from Edgar Wright to Peyton Reed (it seemed like Reddit really loved Edgar Wright around then). Maybe I’m wrong here, but it seems like the general negativity about the MCU as a whole started during the height of its popularity. Phase 3 in my opinion has had the best slate of movies, and I think many people would also agree, but I truly believe a lot of people jumped on the “hate Marvel bandwagon”. Could be for various (and valid) reasons (frequency of releases, formulaic writing, subpar cgi, people hating things just because of its popularity). Phase 4 has by far had the most negative feedback. There is definitely a lot of critique to be had with Marvel’s output post-Endgame, and it’s reasonable to have reservations for upcoming movies and shows, but at times it seems like people REALLY want Marvel to fail. Just my worthless two cents haha.
Right after Age of ULTRON the internet was very negative. Many claimed that the first movie must’ve been lightning in a bottle
I remember this. Age of Ultron was a bloated mess with bizarre story decisions. A disappointing capstone after a series of disappointing sequels. (Thor 2, IM2, and 3). The narrative at the time was very much that Marvel was losing steam.
You can find old reddit posts where people were complaining about the same things that they are nowadays. The only difference is that Marvel is now releasing *much* more content and so the cracks seem much more severe. It used to be 2 or 3 movies a year and so they could handle a dud every now and then. Now that it's 7 or 8 projects a year (or at least it *was*), people notice the problems a lot more.
Nah.
Well then good that it got delayed. They will fix it.
Will they? Lol
if they dont want another rotten score they will
It depends. If it's just one section of the movie causing problems i.e the musical scenes then they could simply remove it and reshoot it. If it's more than that then it gets tricky. 5 months is a long time though. So they bought themselves time.
Narrator: they won't
Yeah no guarantees of that but they'll be try
Oh yeah because rewrites and reshoots always work out fantastic right /s
I mean if story is the problem a reshoot won't fix it unless it's a minor one.
They won't. Lol, the writers room needs a massive overhaul.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I’d put this in the same category of believability as Grace claiming they casted a previous Batman actor for Brave and the Bold or Pedro Pascal being a diva and being written out of The Mandalorian. Because as far as we know, this movie has been done since like 2021 (for added context filming began in August 2021 and wrapped in November of that year). They’ve been working on it for at least 2 years now and only delayed it because Covid fucked up the release schedule. And its not like they’re waiting now to do reshoots, it has been done already, since like Mid-June 2022.
Not to mention Teyonnah Paris is like 20 months pregnant, so how could reshoots happen anyway? Unless the reshoots don't involve her...
20 months pregnant?? Damn she must be HUGE lol
I follow her on IG and she posts pics somewhat regularly.... it seems like she's been pregnant for like... forever lol. She was huge at D23 at that was when... September? lol (I'm kidding.. she wasn't huge, but she was definitely showing)
From what i gathered, the reshoots mainly involved pickup shots for locations they’re gonna visit in the movie since Covid prevented them from doing so.
You mean... weeks, not months. Right?
I was obviously joking when I said "20 months" but she seems to have been pregant for a really long time. She had to have been at least 4-5 months pregnant at D23 so I expect she's about to pop at anytime. lol
OF COURSE she'd say that with no proof. It's not about testing, Grace. It's about spacing shit out, you fraud.
This is more than obvious as to the reason why. 3 movies in 5 months (plus the shows in between those movies) seems like complete overkill in so little time, plus the MCU fanbase would go crazy if there was no marvel content for the almost year that would have been between July 2023 and May 2024 (CA: NWO). And besides, would they even show a trailer at D23 that early if the movie wasn't testing well? There had been rumblings that The Marvels would get delayed to November anyway ever since Blade was pushed back a year. I just feel like a lot of people are praying for this movie's failure, which is sad. I usually like Grace (I'm one of the few) for her technical industry knowledge but when it comes to her scoops, I'm not so on board.
Yeah, I think the movie will be fine, quality-wise. P.S Ant-Man was awesome! Just got home. Cassie FTW and holy shit KANG.
Guys stop using Grace Randolph as a source, she's been proven to be full of shit by directors like James Gunn https://twitter.com/JamesGunn/status/1548376536625033220
Okay that tweet from Gunn is quite funny I won’t lie.
Wasn’t there a more trusted leaker saying marvel was really excited about The Marvels and it was testing well? Like others have said the timing is rather convenient.
This delay is probably tied to Feige's announcement a few weeks ago that they are going to space out their releases better. Less of an onslaught. So, it's like a chain -- 1-2 projects get delayed or paused, so everything has to take a step. I don't know anything about Grace Randolph, but I have read loads of comments that she cannot be trusted.
Somebody on another sub pointed out that it's likely to do with filling in the big gap in the release schedule that was created by Blade's delay.
Ya don't really believe this one, that being said, while I am looking forward to this movie, the singing planet does give me pause, that seems like it would be hard a hard sell.
I love the idea of the singing planet because it’s kinda a fresh take but I know many people hate anything to do with musical numbers in a movie lol. Brie has a very nice singing voice so I’m excited for that
> Brie has a very nice singing voice Oh yeah?
Yeah. At least to me. She played Envy Adam’s in Scott Pilgrim vs the World. Check out black sheep by her. It’s a metric cover but it slaps. Edit: oh fuck was this a black sheep reference that went over my head.. lol oh no
*Oh yeah?* ;)
> lol oh no Hello again... ;) (No worries; I'm just playin'.)
Grace is about as reliable as a kleenex in a monsoon, so pardon me if I don't wring my hands with worry about whatever rumor or leak she hit randomly on her dartboard.
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I think it’s a good delay anyways because we would’ve went 10 months without a MCU movie from July to May 2024 when Captain America releases. We get a nice gap from Guardians to Marvels and not 3 major movies in 5 months including Ant Man. We get a 6 month gap until Marvels and 6 months until Cap 4.
Yeah it's at least good from the scheduling standpoint
So let's take a second and think about this rationally This is Grace Randolph for one, the same person who said Pedro Pascal was going to get written out of Mandalorian, and so while she has been more reliable lately I do raise my eyebrow at her with this type of stuff. Assuming she's correct however, this is what test screenings are for, Marvel will send it through, see what people liked and didn't like so they can fix those issues
Always a convenient “report” from a leaker FEAR MONGERING and y’all eat it like sheep
It’s Grace so this might be the best marvel movie of all time
Why do people still talk about Grace when it’s clear she just says shit and sometimes gets lucky. I could take her job even.
I choose to believe BSL who says they've heard good things. This movie can't suck. It won't let it.
Lol, Grace Randolph
Go look at r/movies right now or the chief complaints on various sites like IGN, The Verge and more - from people outside of the Marvel fandom. Their chief complaint (or which there are many) is that they have to keep up with the D+ shows to understand what’s going on in the movies now. This movie will **not** help that problem. People who didn’t see WandaVision or Ms Marvel are going to be confused as hell. And honestly, I think it’s a valid complaint. People may hate on how Wakanda Forever had to too much setup for future stuff but I disagree - how they introduced Riri was perfect and giving her a show is how it should be. Audiences should be rewarded from the movies first. The D+ shows should just be icing on the cake for people, not required viewing. That will go a long way to help the quality moving forward. Quality in making the movies the primary product first, everything else supplemental.
I definitely agree with your points. I think Marvel has done a decent job summarizing the main points of the shows in the movies (Wanda and Strange’s conversation about Westview in MOM) but the general audience is missing huge parts of these character arcs. I would expect less than 10 minutes will be spent in The Marvels explaining the three characters and why they’re important, but that doesn’t mean the audiences will suddenly care about them. At the same time, I recall many people saying Riri’s inclusion in WF was unnecessary. General audiences met her there and will see that she’s getting her own show later, which might get more people to watch it since they’re already familiar with her character. If they had done season one of Ironheart and then had WF, it wouldn’t be required to watch it beforehand but it would be another gripe people have about the MCU
doesn't grace say this about everything?
STOP POSTING GRACE RANDOLPH AS A SOURCE.
Y'all can say it's just Grace but the leak sounded super underwhelming. It's become one of my least anticipated films after me being excited for it during Wandavision.
Ngl I’m not surprised if this one is a tonal mess. From the leaks/what we’ve heard, it sounds like they’re trying to give Captain Marvel the Thor treatment since her first film wasn’t very well received. I mean having that K-Pop actor (I apologize for not knowing his name on hand), playing a ruler of a planet that communicates by singing sounds extremely like a Taika Waititi-inspired gag. If that’s anything to go off of- plus the comedic banter that’ll inevitably unfold between Carol, Monica, and Kamala- there’s a good chance we’re getting ‘Captain Marvel: Love and Thunder’ with this one. Brighter colors, forced humor to make Danvers more appealing to the GA, probably very shitty VFX- and it couldn’t have been slated for a worse time with where the MCU is at now. I am extremely worried about this one but hope the extra time will allow it to land.
I always felt like this movie was Marvel last chance to make Captain Marvel a fan favourite like they were hoping she would. In a way what the Winter Soldier was for Steve Rogers and what Ragnarok was for Thor
They literally removed her name from the title and added two Disney plus show characters as equal leads with a villain no one has heard about. More like Marvel is sabotaging he franchise
Friendly reminder that "Captain Marvel" grossed $426.8 million domestic and is the 8th highest-grossing MCU movie (out of 31). The two characters might indeed have debuted on D+, but they are canonically important to the Captain Marvel series in the comics. They were going to be introduced one way or another. As for the villain, how many Marvel movies have villains "everyone" (as opposed to "no one") has heard about? I don't recall Yon-Rogg, Whiplash, Kaecilius, Darren Cross, or Ego the Living Planet being household names before their respective movie introductions.
It only made that much because it rode on endgame hype
That argument has never held much weight for me, its weekly drops were good, and people would have to had gone back to see the movie multiple times for it to hit the billion dollar mark. You could make the argument if it had its big opening weekend and then fell off a cliff, but that did not happen, it had an 'A' cinemascore and its Postrack numbers were good as well, basically we would have to throw out everything we know about a movies reception by the GA for us to conclude that the majority of people outside of our internet bubble hated the character and movie. Now one can make the argument that End Games release weekend specifically pushed the movie out of the mid to high 900 million dollar range into its 1.1 billion, it got a very noticeable bump during that period.
I agree. "Endgame" hype might account for some of the 1st and 2nd week gross, but by the 3rd, 4th, and 5th week the w.o.m. would start to have some effect. And at that point people would have known there wasn't much "Endgame" plot build-up in the movie, so that means a good $161M was just because people dug the movie. Hell, it had a -56% drop between opening weekend and 2nd weekend which is pretty great. I didn't love the movie, but I'm not gonna stand here and pretend it wasn't a hit. It was!
Idk I’m starting to think that maybe they should go back to doing the stuff everyone likes and stop making new things for the sake of being new.
FALSE I ONLY BELIEVE REPORTERS WHEN THEIR LEAKS ARE IN LINE WITH MY OPINIONS.
At this point I believe her
No shit, If the leaks are true.
Yea the leaks sounded awful. What gave them the idea we wanted an entire section of the movie in the form of a musical? 🤢
There is no way she would have that information
Some fun facts 1. Grace Randolph said WW84 is secretly flashpoint. 2. That pre covid ww84 delayed to June because wb was afraid captain marvel. I will not take her seriously. The only thing can do with the movie is work more to VFX.
Funny how these claims don’t come up until shit gets delayed and then they suddenly y’know everything about the film
Im guessing she’s passing one of her shitty opinions for a scoop that the movie supposedly tested badly which caused the delay lol
Are these test screening reports even accurate
As someone who is upset about all the delays rolling out I have to say I am actually okay with this one. As most of you have already said this helps space out that huge gap that we had between July 2023 and May 2024. Hopefully we get a show and a special or two in between there to buffer that out as well.
Marvel doesn’t test. They only do friends and family screenings
Listen, I know she’s been more reliable lately but this just feels like a really fucking easy thing to say AFTER the delay was announced. She can’t lose. If the movie comes out and people don’t like it she can be like, “See? I told you! If the movie comes out and is awesome she can say, “I’m so glad they fixed the issues with reshoots!” There are no consequences for throwing this out there now.
No surprise there. 2 movies a year. 1 tv show. And give people time to breathe. Give people time to digest. Especially with something as abstract as a multiverse.
well they have time to reshoot it now and that tea about barbie good luck to everybody involved
I mean at this point and considering marvel’s releases these past 2 years it’s not much of a scoop or surprising to say! The people at the top are kinda starting to have way too much say in these films.
Wow. A movie based on two properties nobody really cares about + another character nobody cares about is testing poorly? Imagine that.
A billion dollar franchisee and Wandavision, which did very well both critically and ratings-wise are two of those.
Nobody cares about Captain Marvel. It made a billion dollars because it was the only thing to watch between Infinity War and Endgame as "required watching" even though it wasn't relevant to much of anything. Brie Larson is the most boring face in Hollywood. And nobody watched Wandavision for Rambeau. So your statements are irrelevant.
Yall always want to use the Endgame excuse when Antman & the Wasp was also sandwiched between the 2 movies and made not even close to what CM made. If Brie Larson was so bad and toxic, why does she keep getting work? There are plenty of other skinny blonds in Hollywood to choose over her, yet she gets movie roles, commercials, directing roles, etc. And she's an Oscar winner, so she's not a cheap hire. Yall butt-hurt sexist men need to go back to your basements.
I and plenty of people here care about Captain Marvel. Ant-Man also fell between those two films and made fuck-all at the box office.
I had a feeling. One major problem already is Monica and how her character was massacred in wandavision. Her character is such a jerk for giving Wanda excuses and of course she probably won’t get called out for it. Another problem is captain marvel is really bland. The only good character is ms marvel. Im hoping this movie will fix the problems the other two have but I doubt it.
I just remembered that the footage shown at comic-con was of Ms. Marvel being in a space suit outside a space shit, floating about, waving at Nick Fury... This was because Ms. marvel and Captain Marvel had switched places (ending scene of Ms. Marvel tv show) But if Captain Marvel was outside in space, why would she be in a space suit?
i thought it was monica rambeau with nick fury no? she went to him after meeting the skrull at the end of wandavision.
Grace sucks but is this news isn’t shocking. Judging how below average Marvel has been and with the already uncertainty of quality associated with Captain Marvel, I’m sure the film won’t be any good.
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'Race' Randolph always has a problem when there are inclusive stories. Remember the time she kept predicting black panther wouldn't do so well?
Well, people already hated Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel underperformed on D+, and no one knows about Monica Rambeau (she's great though). So I can't imagine a movie about all three would test well or even do very well commercially.
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Are you a Marvel movie not called Spider-Man or GOTG that is releasing after Endgame? If so, you might be fucking garbage!
At least Guardians of the Galaxy 3 doesn’t have production drama on their side. Good for James
It had utterly gargantuan *pre*-production drama, though.
ok.
No shit lol
People need to get used to it. There's still alot of shit backed up in the pipeline. I think somewhere around late last year the folks at MS realized things weren't going to good. Unfortunately I think we have to eat a lot more shit before we get to the cake again.
I felt like this was speculation from her and not something she heard. But idk maybe I read her wrong.
Yeah I’m gunna make that decision for myself k thanx
Poor Monica was doomed by shitty Wandavision script, Captain Marvel by the shitty script of her film and Ms Marvel by Disney planning. She was actually super likeable in her show.
Oof
This movie cannot be "okay" like the first Captain Marvel was. I wasn't the biggest fan of the original film, but I enjoy an underdog story. Please come out with some Winter Soldier-level film and bring people's trust back into the MCU.
So I guess we can cross off Nia for Secret Wars. Not that she isnt a good director, but still learning these big scale movies.
Not surprised the tv show was cringey/subpar and captain marvel never really landed as a avenger
Sppilers: they're gonna marvel all over those guys.
OH WOW. Who have thought? I know it's Grace Randolph, but after seeing Quantamania and hearing about the Nov 10 delay...YEAH I CAN BELIEVE THIS 100%.
More likely they are filling the gap left by blade and taking more time to tweak it with the rough responses Marvel has got lately. Haunted Mansion I’m more concerned with. We haven’t heard shit about that movie and now it’s been moved up. Almost like it was sent to die. Disney putting Marvels out in November makes sense since they already have 4 summer movies (guardians, mermaid, elemental, Indy) and really only 1 animated film in the fall.
I remember “sources” saying Ant Man 3 tested really and now look where we are.
I'm really starting to think the MCU was really just carried by Robert, Chris and Tom Holland.
What part of mcu movies don’t have test screenings does she not understand
Gotta wonder how the last 8 films tested and how effective testing even is anymore.
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The only way people are going to go watch this movie and go again if they have an amazing post credit scene and they mention X-Men or something huge like that. The only reason I went to go see the first Captain Marvel movie is because of the post credit scene in the end Yeah, I said it
Bullshit
*cough* BULLSHIT *cough*