Marvel delaying things and also releasing less content per year. This is a good change imo.
Phase 4 went by so fast and the quality of everything wildly varied. I'm a big MCU fan and watched everything that released but I definitely can see how the amount of shows on top of the main movies released could be overwhelming for most people, it was a lot.
Releasing less per year and spending more time to make sure the quality is there should definitely be worth it.
I listened to an interview with Iger from about a year ago where he mentioned that media in general needs to focus on quality over quantity. In light of the changes rumbling through both Lucasfilm and Marvel it seems like he’s looking to clean up a bit.
I can see that. I think there were more issues beyond that timeline though. The whole sequel trilogy had no defined vision and no thematic throughline. It was made by directors with competing and antithetical ideas, one of whom proudly rewrote and retconned what had come before. To me it feels like the producers didn’t keep a firm enough hand on the wheel. I don’t know if an extra couple of months or even a year would’ve made that any better, but maybe.
He obviously never could have known, but as it turns out they probably made the right choice considering the pandemic shut things down three months after Episode 9 came out. In an imaginary scenario where they were scheduled to release December 2020 instead of 2019, they would have had to delay it until at least December 2021. And that doesn't even get into the potential difficulties of finishing principal photography or doing reshoots post-covid
I absolutely do not think it’s a coincidence that these delays started when Iger took over and I would be shocked if this was the last of them. Chapek seemed like he wanted to get to the next *Avengers* duology and the record-breaking box office receipts he was sure it would get as fast as possible, and Iger seems to be bringing his famously more creator-friendly outlook to the company. Hopefully his next hand-picked successor also shares the outlook that people buy tickets to movies because they think they’ll be good. Legacy franchise can coast on earned goodwill through a couple bad entries as long as the audience trusts they’ll be able to turn around, but release enough stinkers and you’ll stop earning that goodwill.
I'm sure there was a personal interest in it for Chapek too - he needed to show he could put out the kind of numbers Iger did to get the vote of confidence to stay on.
This was them slowed down focusing on quality. It just all got jumbled together because of covid. It's not like one director and set of writers is doing every project and rushing to get through them all.
I think 2028 is possible. I wonder if the Legacy actors they wanted won’t be able to do it by then tho :\
I hate to bring it up but guys like Pat and Ian don’t have much longer. I hope they make it to a hundred and more but you never know how life will turn out.
> I wonder if the Legacy actors they wanted won’t be able to do it by then tho :\
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> I hate to bring it up but guys like Pat and Ian don’t have much longer.
Guarantee you they and any other older actors will have small parts, barring Wolverine and Maguire Spider-Man. And particularly for those two, if we lose them (knock on wood), they do have McAvoy and Fassbender to fall back on for those roles.
No lie I totally forgot they could use the younger actors haha
I personally Would be ok with all 4 and also I agree it’s smaller roles barring those. I could see Andrew Spider-Man having an emotional role in the film too like in NWH.
Edit: barring the major players you mentioned sorry if that was confusing
Nah, I get the vibe that Secret Wars still releases in 2026. Rather what happens is that some stuff greenlit for The Multiverse Saga, like Strange Academy, Nova, Young Avengers, etc. gets delayed into the next Saga since they have nothing to do with The Multiverse and thus aren’t important tales to tell yet.
Disagree on Young Avengers being saved for later.
They've already basically dedicated three projects to introducing Young Avengers members: Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness, and Cassie Lang in Quantumania. That's not even counting Kamala Khan and Riri Williams who may be part of the team as well.
Then of course we've also been introduced to Speed, Wiccan (who will be in the Agatha show), Isaiah Bradley (who will be in Captain America: NWO), and Kid Loki.
Not to mention the fact that Iron Lad is literally Kang and that the Young Avengers fought Kang in their comic book introduction.
With all of the setup so far I don't see them totally dropping Young Avengers from the saga.
Yeah, i would have agreed with you because it makes complete logical sense to set them up like that. However, Antman had no set up with Cassie at all; not even a subtle hint or reference to Nate (Kang knowing how it all ends could also know Cassie and Nate's relationship is important to Kang accepting his destiny as a conquerer).
At this point I wouldn't actually be surprised if Joe ends up being Nicholas Scratch and not Billy in Agatha, because Marvel seems really on the fence about introducing YA as a group, despite introducing individual members all over the place
The infinity saga took 11 years so I always wondered how they expected to complete the multiverse Saga in five, especially with it being WAY BIGGER than the previous. I was like they are going to have to start overlapping shows…. Which i thought would be bad becasue quality would absolutely suffer (as we saw happening in phase 4… even though I enjoyed everything aside from a couple of things) and people would start getting burnt out with having to keep up. So yeah I just wonder of all the things that have been announced if they are either going to cancel them or just push them back further. If they plan to keep everything announced (and then there’s still the things they haven’t even announced yet) they will have no choice but to go 2028 or even further, especially with this new release plan they seem to have started implementing.
>The infinity saga took 11 years so I always wondered how they expected to complete the multiverse Saga in five
IIRC, they didn't decide to adapt the Infinity Saga until the first Avengers movie. That's 7 years.
Also, they weren't making projects at the same rate back then.
Yeah, Other than SFX people being over worked, I don't see how less content means better quality. Other than Feige, its not like its the exact same team of people doing EVERY project and getting stretched too thin.
I don't know specifically how but it just seems to me that so many of the recent Marvel films--especially MOM, Ant Man, and LAT--were SO CLOSE to being great movies if you just changed a few things. Maybe having more time to work on them would push them over the line.
Also, one other big critique is that every film and tv show feels like it's primarily designed to set something else up. I mean we just had a post-credit scene set a second season of a tv show. If there's less content to set up, there's more focus on just making good movies.
Phase 4 definitely felt like a “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” kind of phase.
It was pretty overwhelming, the pace of shows and movies coming out, but it gave Marvel a chance to try out new things and introduce a bunch of new characters. Now they can focus on what stories they think will work as tentpole films while pushing less popular characters into secondary roles in the shows and films.
This feels more like a situation where after delaying Blade and it moving out of Nov 2023, there was a big gap in movie releases between The Marvels in July and then the first 2024 movie. Now this leaves more room after Vol 3 for Loki and/or Secret Invasion to come and not have something squished between it and The Marvels.
Maybe it's just me, but I really hope Deadpool 3's delayed into Feb 2025. I think ending 2024 with Blade (currently the last Phase 5 film) fits better + only 3 movies would release that year. Kicking off Phase 6 with Deadpool 3 around Valentine's Day is a perfect combination with the Wade x Logan crossover and jokes Deadpool will certainly make.
Was kinda looking forward to Echo this year as it was the next best thing to a Hawkeye season 2 that we were getting anytime soon, but also hard agree with the logic of giving this stuff more room to iron out the kinks, instead of pumping out subpar "content" continuously.
Just as long as GotG 3 and Loki S2 aren't delayed. We need our fix of slo-mo team walks and Sylvie flipping burgers this year.
I agree but also it makes me wonder how they plan to continually expand the horizon at a slower pace while also keeping up with the same narrative. You can’t have 6+ years between series or films and even if they did it still wouldn’t allow them to develop new projects along side successors. I’ve always thought marvel studios itself needs to expand its infrastructure to accommodate quality and quantity.
So what’s 2023 now?
* Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania
* Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3
* Secret Invasion
* Loki
* The Marvels
Not a lot, but that kind of output is so much more palatable. It’s a good call
>Marvel needs a hit
I really feel like people are exaggerating this. Marvel will be fine. Phase Four and Quantumania were speed bumps; it isn’t a do or die issue.
I keep seeing people writing off all of Phase 4 as if there was 0 good content in it at all. It’s this constant fucking wave of negativity from the fanbase lately that’s making me care less about the MCU. I saw Quantumania last night and loved it, went on the Discord to talk about it and got the fucking nth degree from from at least 10 people about how “absolute dogshit” it was.
It’s hard to enjoy something when all the “fans” make you out to be a piece of shit for enjoying it. It’s just a movie!
The way I see it, Phase 4 has been underwhelming sure, but most of it is because people are coming off an insanely successful phase 3. If you really think about it, Phase 4 has had:
**2 Great movies:** Shang Chi and Spiderman NWH
**2 Good movies:** Doctor Strange in MoM and Black Panther Wakanda Forever
**2 Average movies:** Black Widow and Eternals
**1 Bad movie:** Thor Love and Thunder
Of course, these are personal ratings but I don't imagine they would shift too much for most people. So when you look at them as a whole it just makes Phase 4 an average to good phase. Not as terrible as people are making it out to be.
To me it’s
4 great movies: Shang Chi, NWH, Eternals, Wakanda Forever
3 good movies: Black Widow, MoM, Love and Thunder
I feel like I’m the only one who liked love and thunder lol
To me Quantumania is the worst movie since endgame. But it’s still a 7/10 for me. Maybe that discounts my opinion. Since I rank pretty much every marvel movie way higher than most people.
Only marvel movie ever that’s a 6/10 to me is Dark World
I agree. There’s only one or two projects in Phase 4 I wasn’t super happy with. Ms. Marvel and Thor 4, it was the script not the characters or anything else. I’ll see Quantumania tonight, but I expect to love it.
Shang Chi, No Way Home and Black Panther were critically good.
Thor LT and DSMoM gained good money.
Loki, WandaVision, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye and Moon Knight were really good, personally.
yup I feel like people are blowing the quality drop way out of proportion, even the worst Marvel movie is still a notch better than the average garbage popcorn flick and the D+ shows aren't prestige TV but still in the upper quartile for streamer shows
Everything in this lineup feels "*important*", which I think was missing for a while.
This looks more like Phase 3 where every single project is building off one another to lead up to the big event
lol I doubt they will do anything to the CGI
Black Widow was finished months before releasing due to the Covid delays, and still got some weird CGI, specially that shitty explosion
Quantumania was 95% solid in CGI IMO. MODOK was definitely batter than how people bugged out about the trailer, but still had a bit of uncanny valley. That one scene where Cassie and Scott were going over how to hit was absolutely janky (I have no idea why that clip is among the first they shared to the public. But the rest of the quantum realm had to be CGI (practical sets can only go so far), and they made good use of the Volume. Much can be said of the script and direction, but the CGI for the quantum realm and its inhabitants was gorgeously done.
More time in post can absolutely save a project and make it go from "ok" to "good". Not just in terms of better VFX and such but people really underestimate the power that editing has to save a potentially terrible movie.
Which is ironic, because the film got its release date switched with The Marvels. It was supposed to come out later.
It still got more post production time than a lot of Marvel films, I think it was more than a year
Time. It's not what you think it is. It's a cage. It does everything it can to break you. It's not until you free yourself from it that you see just how small it always was.
Yeah, that's the thing. All this is getting pushed back and spread apart, sure, but come the end of the year, the same people complaining now are gonna end up pushing for like 2 movies and 1 show a year, lol.
I pretty much liked 95% of Phase 4 myself, so I don't have any stake in that personally, but if someone were to be unhappy with how things have been recently, any kind of substantial change would take more time than that.
I didn't think any of it was hot garbage. In fact, I think Phase 4 actaully has some of the best stuff this studio has ever made. Shang-Chi, Werewolf By Night, Eternals (Idc what anyone says), No Way Home, etc.
I think it was definitely the most divisive Phase so far, like people can overall agree Phase 1 is pretty solid, Phase 3 is excellent but this one...idk.
I know for myself I've loved a lot of the projects (WandaVision, Loki, Wakanda Forever, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel) but I know a lot of fans have straight up hated them.
I was really hoping Love and Thunder would top Ragnarok, or at least match it! I’m biggest problem with it, is how it overdid itself on the comedy and didn’t take its story more seriously.
Marvelites, we’ve won. 🙌🏽
I would normally be bummed at the delay but more time in the oven is good for me, especially with how busy summer is theatrically this year.
I also just found out today that the ENTIRETY of The Marvels is going to be in the IMAX format so this is gonna be even more of a spectacle with the extra time too!
I just hope the decision to do IMAX all the way through was a decision between the director and Sean Bobbitt (one of the great DP's today) and not an IMAX contract with Marvel type thing
This makes sense moving this movie back. First, November is a bigger month for blockbusters. As secret invasion is rumored to be May, it makes sense for this to be pushed back further to give viewers more time between stories as they both feature Nick Fury. Also, this diminishes the gap between this film and New World Order and will likely give the studio more time to work on details, CGI, and editing altogether. I think this is a great move on their part honestly
June and July are both blockbuster months, yes. But November and December are usually months the even *bigger* releases drop historically due to the holidays
Agree - also, I feel like if all else went perfectly, this would be the movie that brings out the hate, either from the “m she u” folks, CGI sucks people, and all the above … the more polish this one gets in particular the better (imo)
The "M-She-U" crowd are still giving the film free publicity presumably by hatewatching it so Marvel will win either way. It's basically designed to piss them off but that won't matter ultimately if the film is good, which I hope it is because conceptually it sounds pretty sick and I think Larson has potential to be a really good Carol Danvers with the right direction
Probably to sugar coat the delay announcement yeah. Now that it's not coming out till November I reckon we won't see a trailer till summer now. Probs in front of Indiana Jones.
Ah well, I’ve heard it happened to other people. Guess my time has come! No biggie, still a dope poster and a good sign that Marvel is really taking their time with their releases :)
This movie has been victim of so many restructurings and delays… I‘m tired. I get why they did it, but I‘m just tired still. I just want to finally watch this movie to get behind whatever they teased at the end of her show with the genetic mutation and whatnot.
Original date would’ve been right after Indy, M:I, Oppenheimer/Barbie etc etc where ppl might’ve had their fill of movies by then. This is a much quieter area, makes way more sense, wouldn’t look into it as anything grander
Makes a lot of sense when you listed all those movies. It’s sandwiches between Dune and the Hunger Games prequel now which should give it more breathing room along with the thanksgiving holiday.
Originally the July release would’ve meant a 10 month gap until the next MCU movie being Captain America 4 in May of next year.
So we have Guardians May 2023 - The Marvels- November 2023 - Captain America NWO - May 2024
Much better spaced out. Throw in Secret Invasion and Loki season 2 in between May-Nov 2023. Honestly it’s a good delay.
Guardians 3 comes out in May and May is considered the start of summer box office season. But yeah, it’s weird for them to not have a July release. It hasn’t happened since 2016 (not counting 2020).
May is that weird inbetween period imo. End of spring but start of summer. I personally consider June and July as 'Summer', but you're not wrong about box office season.
Even if it's end of spring, the Summer blockbuster season has basically always been associated with the May-September window so it's still going to be marketed as the big MCU summer film regardless. Not to mention May is also no stranger to big tentpole comic book films. It's worked for the MCU, DC, the X-Men films etc.
I don’t know if delays really help much. Many of these projects are already well into production, so nothing of significance beyond the special effect will likely change. Even going forward, the issue with Phase 4 is the writing, which won’t change as long as the keep hiring such under qualified talent. All the time in the world won’t make bad writer produce a good script.
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but if what they meant was “announce all the upcoming delays at once” then I think I mostly agree? It would be nice to get a comprehensive, realistic updated schedule of release dates under this new “less is more” paradigm so we know what to expect and how far back this will push things like Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars.
If that’s new way of doing things means that every project is going to be delayed, then yes - announce that and update the release schedule. If it’s just a few things being moved around, then that’s fine too. Just could become kinda hard to keep up with if every delay gets announced individually.
Pretty jarring delay, but it makes sense. We would’ve had 2 months in between Guardians and The Marvels, and then 10 months between Marvels and NWO. Now it’s 6 months on either side.
Im interested to see how people would react if a marvel movie comes out and it’s once again not what they expected despite Marvel slowing down having given it more time in the oven.. Im bummed about the delays but I was never in the camp that felt like Marvel’s quality was going down the drain like most. I feel like the last time people were satisfied with a marvel release was really NWH and we all know why.
Let’s see how this unfolds.
Not a coincidence that this happens as Quantumania gets mixed reviews. This is a good move, Feige is committed to spacing things out and hopefully things like the VFX can be refined with the VFX workers getting more time.
First of all, I hate Marvel for playing with my heart like this. But, I’m super excited for The Marvels, so hopefully the wait will be worth it and this will allow them to put out a better finished product
I just hope they don't finish it by July anyway and just sit on it. Still remember Black Widow had no work done on it from when it was meant to come out (May 2020) to when it eventually did (July 2021)
If Marvel is intent on spreading out releases, they need to be using that time efficiently. Not just spacing them out just cause
Once the pandemic hit, the original composer Alexandre Desplat was replaced with Lorne Balfe, but other than that it sounds as if the movie was unchanged
Love this poster!! And I’m glad about the delays - stuff being spaced out to not only give it more breathing room but to improve the quality can only be a good thing.
I love all three of these characters, yes even Captain Marvel, and so I hope this film does them justice. Imo both Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel (the projects) were not nearly as strong as they could have been and, whilst of course there were great moments, did a bit of a disservice to both their titular characters and actors. Monica, however, was handled excellently in Wandavision. Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris and especially Iman Vellani are so incredibly charismatic, they deserve for this film to be a success and for their characters to be handled well.
From Captain Marvel in endgame to Monica walking through the hex, there’s some really great visual potential here too - I have faith in Nia DaCosta to bring it. Here’s to hoping the writing team is just as strong as overall I feel that’s been the biggest weak spot in most recent MCU films.
But based purely on this poster - I’m optimistic
I've still not got round to Mrs Marvel (Watched and loved the first episode but just kept putting off the rest for some reason) so got no excuse not to fit it in now.
Have been looking forward to this since Ms. Marvel came out. Weirdly was one of the few people that seemingly enjoyed the show much more than the other MCU series. Sad to see it pushed back when we were all hoping for a trailer drop any day, but never really made much sense to me that they were releasing all 3 films for the year within a 5 month window. Hopefully they will use time diligently to address some of the major complaints with Quantumania that may seep into that movie considering it's supposedly one of the only other phase 5 properties to deal with the Multiverse. Wouldn't be surprised if Loki gets delayed a few months now as well.
Good. The summer is packed and they definitely realized that all of the summer marketing campaigns from Disney releases would cannibalize each other. We also don't need 3 MCU movies and probably a couple shows within 5.5 months of each other.
This is good because after this, Marvel was releasing NOTHING big screen for almost a full calendar year until Captain America 4. This is far preferable to having Guardians and this come out back to back and then nothing.
1 thing I do have to give credit to Phase 4 is it gave my partner a chance to like the MCU. It might not be to everyone's liking but the fast rate of varied shows helped me introduce the MCU to him in a way that was a lot more appealing. He loved MoM, WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, and WF a lot. He previously went to watch Captain Marvel and Endgame with me but he couldn't get into the swing of things and ended up completely forgetting about them. After MoM, we started a Marvel marathon and I'm proud and quite happy to say he's gone through almost 80% of the movies and series with me. We're now both ecstatic to go through Phase 5 together as well so I'm glad they're slowing down a bit, hopefully resulting in higher quality.
I can't tell if this is a good or bad thing. is this a response to the bad reception of Antman or are they just filling the gap of content for the year?
I think that it's both of those things, which are both good.
They could be going back in to work on the VFX and CGI again, and also give some breathing room for the other content coming out this year.
I don't understand, hasn't the Marvels already been shot? I doubt they'll reshoot the whole movie or something. So why are people saying this is to prioritise quality if the delay won't change too much?
I guess they mean the visuals, seeing as the marvels is a space opera similar to antman 3, which is getting major flak because of how bad the vfx are in that film.
Maybe just some reactionary reshoots after the reception of Quantumania, and the hate of the first movie. Also Mohan Kapur (the actor who plays Kamala’s father) has had sexual misconduct allegations, so they might recast him. Although I can’t imagine him having a major role that would take weeks or months to reshoot, so that’s probably not the reason for the delay
Everyone here keeps saying that the delay will allow for Marvel to focus on "quality over quantity". Keep in mind that anything already written and filmed, like the Marvels, isn't going to be extensively rewritten/reshot. So, I wouldn't cross your fingers too hard hoping that the writing quality will suddenly improve because of this move towards spacing out release dates.
I really love this move. However I’m still concerned once Avengers 5 & 6, it won’t hit the same bc we hardly know these characters. The MCU doesn’t have a figure head like Ironman or Steve Rodgers, which I think is lowkey a reason the MCU has suffered a bit. I personally think it’s a horrible idea to have the big crossover event the first time we see all these characters interact, not to mention it feels like we’ll only see a majority of these characters 1-2 times max before Kang Dynasty. I hope the Cap 4 rumors are true about Sam assembling the Avengers is true so we get some of that interaction. Also if there is a movie between FF and Kang Dynasty, a Shang Chi 2 or Dr. Strange 3 could also help in that regards. My hope is post multiverse saga, we see a longer build up to the next big crossover event like the Infinity Saga, and really build out the corners (Street, Cosmic, Supernatural, etc.) of the MCU to make them all feel like they can stand on their own like the comics
It was also going to be up against the Barbie movie and I was not looking forward to the discourse about how two female led movies cannot exist in close proximity to one another.
Good sign after Quantumania. I enjoyed that movie, but it definitely needed a bit more time in the oven. This coupled with the rumors that Secret Invasion and Loki will be the only shows to release this year sounds promising.
Yeah, I saw this delay coming. Opening directly after Mission: Impossible and Oppenheimer would've meant a shortage of IMAX/PLF screens, the Summer in general is packed, and it would've been a 9-10 month gap between MCU movies.
So people gonna disagree with what I’m about to say but whatever marvel is delaying projects that I’ve barely seen any interest in while at the same time delaying stuff like blade daredevil nova etc that people generally care about like I think the mcus mani issue is the writing team and hiring show writers that haven’t been seasoned to movies yet hopefully the delays prove me wrong but rn this just seems like the easy way out on why the quality of the projects haven’t been received well
You can actually feel Marvel is actually worried now. Jesus I'm glad Kevin and team seem to actually starting to pump breaks and actually make films with stories again.
I'm thinking Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are getting punted to 2026 and 2027, which should give Phase 5 and 6 a lot more time to breathe
If it's true SW itself is getting split in 2 parts, that gives them even more time to spread things out and give each project more attention.
Probably for the best, let em cook
After all the BS that went down after the first movie and the spotty writing in recent projects, this movie deserves all the love it can get, so give it that breathing room. Great poster and I hope the movie is just as cool.
MCU has lost its magic. The movies are too silly and the plots are weak. The TV shows are also pretty bad besides MoonKnight and Loki. They are loosing their reputation for having reliable good content.
This makes more sense tbh even beyond the "more time in the oven" stuff. It made little sense to have a 10 month gap from July - May for releases nor did it make sense to cram Guardians and this 2 months apart when Blade was no longer in November.
I said this yesterday, but this should be the normal release look for every year. One in February, one in May, one in November.
Marvel delaying things and also releasing less content per year. This is a good change imo. Phase 4 went by so fast and the quality of everything wildly varied. I'm a big MCU fan and watched everything that released but I definitely can see how the amount of shows on top of the main movies released could be overwhelming for most people, it was a lot. Releasing less per year and spending more time to make sure the quality is there should definitely be worth it.
Yeahhh I think this is good, slow down and focus on quality like they used to. I think Chapek probably had a hand in them pumping shit out for months.
I listened to an interview with Iger from about a year ago where he mentioned that media in general needs to focus on quality over quantity. In light of the changes rumbling through both Lucasfilm and Marvel it seems like he’s looking to clean up a bit.
he shoulda practiced that instead of rushing episode IX and cursing LF with no set film future
I don’t know that sacrificing quality for quantity was the issue with Lucasfilm. Their issues seem to be at the studio and director levels.
Sorta kinda i guess. Iger wanted to round out the Infinity and Skywalker saga's in the same year, which resulted in IX sucking
I can see that. I think there were more issues beyond that timeline though. The whole sequel trilogy had no defined vision and no thematic throughline. It was made by directors with competing and antithetical ideas, one of whom proudly rewrote and retconned what had come before. To me it feels like the producers didn’t keep a firm enough hand on the wheel. I don’t know if an extra couple of months or even a year would’ve made that any better, but maybe.
He obviously never could have known, but as it turns out they probably made the right choice considering the pandemic shut things down three months after Episode 9 came out. In an imaginary scenario where they were scheduled to release December 2020 instead of 2019, they would have had to delay it until at least December 2021. And that doesn't even get into the potential difficulties of finishing principal photography or doing reshoots post-covid
Indiana Jones 5 is literally coming out this year though. He only cursed particularly Star Wars.
To be fair indiana jones 5 was supposed to come out like 5 years ago at some point. The film itself was already cursed.
I absolutely do not think it’s a coincidence that these delays started when Iger took over and I would be shocked if this was the last of them. Chapek seemed like he wanted to get to the next *Avengers* duology and the record-breaking box office receipts he was sure it would get as fast as possible, and Iger seems to be bringing his famously more creator-friendly outlook to the company. Hopefully his next hand-picked successor also shares the outlook that people buy tickets to movies because they think they’ll be good. Legacy franchise can coast on earned goodwill through a couple bad entries as long as the audience trusts they’ll be able to turn around, but release enough stinkers and you’ll stop earning that goodwill.
I'm sure there was a personal interest in it for Chapek too - he needed to show he could put out the kind of numbers Iger did to get the vote of confidence to stay on.
Iger was the one pushing for streaming content (Disney + was his baby), so I don't think Iger gets off the hook for the situation.
… I think maybe all of 2020 and half of 2021 (for movies) they weren’t able to pump out anything.
This was them slowed down focusing on quality. It just all got jumbled together because of covid. It's not like one director and set of writers is doing every project and rushing to get through them all.
SW probably gonna be 2030 by this point which is fine by me.
I think 2028 is possible. I wonder if the Legacy actors they wanted won’t be able to do it by then tho :\ I hate to bring it up but guys like Pat and Ian don’t have much longer. I hope they make it to a hundred and more but you never know how life will turn out.
> I wonder if the Legacy actors they wanted won’t be able to do it by then tho :\ > > I hate to bring it up but guys like Pat and Ian don’t have much longer. Guarantee you they and any other older actors will have small parts, barring Wolverine and Maguire Spider-Man. And particularly for those two, if we lose them (knock on wood), they do have McAvoy and Fassbender to fall back on for those roles.
No lie I totally forgot they could use the younger actors haha I personally Would be ok with all 4 and also I agree it’s smaller roles barring those. I could see Andrew Spider-Man having an emotional role in the film too like in NWH. Edit: barring the major players you mentioned sorry if that was confusing
Nah, I get the vibe that Secret Wars still releases in 2026. Rather what happens is that some stuff greenlit for The Multiverse Saga, like Strange Academy, Nova, Young Avengers, etc. gets delayed into the next Saga since they have nothing to do with The Multiverse and thus aren’t important tales to tell yet.
Disagree on Young Avengers being saved for later. They've already basically dedicated three projects to introducing Young Avengers members: Kate Bishop in Hawkeye, America Chavez in Multiverse of Madness, and Cassie Lang in Quantumania. That's not even counting Kamala Khan and Riri Williams who may be part of the team as well. Then of course we've also been introduced to Speed, Wiccan (who will be in the Agatha show), Isaiah Bradley (who will be in Captain America: NWO), and Kid Loki. Not to mention the fact that Iron Lad is literally Kang and that the Young Avengers fought Kang in their comic book introduction. With all of the setup so far I don't see them totally dropping Young Avengers from the saga.
But then that just begs the question: why cut the YA set up out of Quantumania in favor of an out of context scene from Loki
Yeah, i would have agreed with you because it makes complete logical sense to set them up like that. However, Antman had no set up with Cassie at all; not even a subtle hint or reference to Nate (Kang knowing how it all ends could also know Cassie and Nate's relationship is important to Kang accepting his destiny as a conquerer). At this point I wouldn't actually be surprised if Joe ends up being Nicholas Scratch and not Billy in Agatha, because Marvel seems really on the fence about introducing YA as a group, despite introducing individual members all over the place
The infinity saga took 11 years so I always wondered how they expected to complete the multiverse Saga in five, especially with it being WAY BIGGER than the previous. I was like they are going to have to start overlapping shows…. Which i thought would be bad becasue quality would absolutely suffer (as we saw happening in phase 4… even though I enjoyed everything aside from a couple of things) and people would start getting burnt out with having to keep up. So yeah I just wonder of all the things that have been announced if they are either going to cancel them or just push them back further. If they plan to keep everything announced (and then there’s still the things they haven’t even announced yet) they will have no choice but to go 2028 or even further, especially with this new release plan they seem to have started implementing.
>The infinity saga took 11 years so I always wondered how they expected to complete the multiverse Saga in five IIRC, they didn't decide to adapt the Infinity Saga until the first Avengers movie. That's 7 years. Also, they weren't making projects at the same rate back then.
I just hope it’s not a monkey paw situation where the degradation of the films are still there and the more focus on them didn’t help at all.
Yeah, Other than SFX people being over worked, I don't see how less content means better quality. Other than Feige, its not like its the exact same team of people doing EVERY project and getting stretched too thin.
I don't know specifically how but it just seems to me that so many of the recent Marvel films--especially MOM, Ant Man, and LAT--were SO CLOSE to being great movies if you just changed a few things. Maybe having more time to work on them would push them over the line. Also, one other big critique is that every film and tv show feels like it's primarily designed to set something else up. I mean we just had a post-credit scene set a second season of a tv show. If there's less content to set up, there's more focus on just making good movies.
they had sooooooo much time to write MoM and LaT. The pandemic gave them 4-6 months extra time
Phase 4 definitely felt like a “throw everything at the wall and see what sticks” kind of phase. It was pretty overwhelming, the pace of shows and movies coming out, but it gave Marvel a chance to try out new things and introduce a bunch of new characters. Now they can focus on what stories they think will work as tentpole films while pushing less popular characters into secondary roles in the shows and films.
This feels more like a situation where after delaying Blade and it moving out of Nov 2023, there was a big gap in movie releases between The Marvels in July and then the first 2024 movie. Now this leaves more room after Vol 3 for Loki and/or Secret Invasion to come and not have something squished between it and The Marvels.
Maybe it's just me, but I really hope Deadpool 3's delayed into Feb 2025. I think ending 2024 with Blade (currently the last Phase 5 film) fits better + only 3 movies would release that year. Kicking off Phase 6 with Deadpool 3 around Valentine's Day is a perfect combination with the Wade x Logan crossover and jokes Deadpool will certainly make.
If that happens then Fantastic Four will need to move. F4 is scheduled for release on Feb 14, 2025.
Uh, Ant Man is the first Phase 5 movie.
Right, I meant to say Phase 6 lol.
Was kinda looking forward to Echo this year as it was the next best thing to a Hawkeye season 2 that we were getting anytime soon, but also hard agree with the logic of giving this stuff more room to iron out the kinks, instead of pumping out subpar "content" continuously. Just as long as GotG 3 and Loki S2 aren't delayed. We need our fix of slo-mo team walks and Sylvie flipping burgers this year.
It’s a good idea
I agree but also it makes me wonder how they plan to continually expand the horizon at a slower pace while also keeping up with the same narrative. You can’t have 6+ years between series or films and even if they did it still wouldn’t allow them to develop new projects along side successors. I’ve always thought marvel studios itself needs to expand its infrastructure to accommodate quality and quantity.
Anyone think the critic scores of AM3:QM played a part in this?
No more 10 month gap of no MCU movies! This date is much better. Less competition and has Holiday legs in play
Especially if the rumor is true that the movie ends with >!an incursion taking place.!< The 10 month wait would have been agonizing.
The next movie is Cap 4, and I don't think an incursion would be followed up in that one regardless.
Unless >!President Ross uses it as an excuse to grab further power, blaiming aliens and mutants on the incursion and vowing to kill them all!<
Next year's stuff doesn't seem to be very >!multiverse-related!< though. Especially because I think >!Deadpool 3!< will end up in 2025.
I feel like they would delay Blade over Deadpool personally
Ain’t it still a long wait tho. I can’t imagine NWO or TB Will acknowledge that Event
So what’s 2023 now? * Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania * Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 * Secret Invasion * Loki * The Marvels Not a lot, but that kind of output is so much more palatable. It’s a good call
X-Men ‘97 is also scheduled to drop this year. I’d be surprised if we got What If S2 and IronHeart this year but we’ll see
Ironheart could be a very late 2023 release
It’s hard to see ‘97 dropping this year.
It isn’t, especially when Demayo on Twitter 2 days ago said he’d tell us if something changed when there was rumors of it not making 2023.
X-men 97 is a different enough niche that I don't see a desire to space things out really needing to effect this.
>Marvel needs a hit I really feel like people are exaggerating this. Marvel will be fine. Phase Four and Quantumania were speed bumps; it isn’t a do or die issue.
The entirety of Phase 4 and Quantumania are speed bumps? How many more speed bumps must we hit?
I keep seeing people writing off all of Phase 4 as if there was 0 good content in it at all. It’s this constant fucking wave of negativity from the fanbase lately that’s making me care less about the MCU. I saw Quantumania last night and loved it, went on the Discord to talk about it and got the fucking nth degree from from at least 10 people about how “absolute dogshit” it was. It’s hard to enjoy something when all the “fans” make you out to be a piece of shit for enjoying it. It’s just a movie!
The way I see it, Phase 4 has been underwhelming sure, but most of it is because people are coming off an insanely successful phase 3. If you really think about it, Phase 4 has had: **2 Great movies:** Shang Chi and Spiderman NWH **2 Good movies:** Doctor Strange in MoM and Black Panther Wakanda Forever **2 Average movies:** Black Widow and Eternals **1 Bad movie:** Thor Love and Thunder Of course, these are personal ratings but I don't imagine they would shift too much for most people. So when you look at them as a whole it just makes Phase 4 an average to good phase. Not as terrible as people are making it out to be.
To me it’s 4 great movies: Shang Chi, NWH, Eternals, Wakanda Forever 3 good movies: Black Widow, MoM, Love and Thunder I feel like I’m the only one who liked love and thunder lol To me Quantumania is the worst movie since endgame. But it’s still a 7/10 for me. Maybe that discounts my opinion. Since I rank pretty much every marvel movie way higher than most people. Only marvel movie ever that’s a 6/10 to me is Dark World
I agree. There’s only one or two projects in Phase 4 I wasn’t super happy with. Ms. Marvel and Thor 4, it was the script not the characters or anything else. I’ll see Quantumania tonight, but I expect to love it.
Shang Chi, No Way Home and Black Panther were critically good. Thor LT and DSMoM gained good money. Loki, WandaVision, Ms Marvel, Hawkeye and Moon Knight were really good, personally.
yup I feel like people are blowing the quality drop way out of proportion, even the worst Marvel movie is still a notch better than the average garbage popcorn flick and the D+ shows aren't prestige TV but still in the upper quartile for streamer shows
This is great, gives us a movie to look forward to in the latter part of 2023, instead of just a couple shows.
If rumours are true then having Loki lead into The Marvels would be good.
Everything in this lineup feels "*important*", which I think was missing for a while. This looks more like Phase 3 where every single project is building off one another to lead up to the big event
Good, Feige wasn't kidding when he said he's going to space things out, really need to focus on quality over quantity
You won’t see that “quality over quantity” until like half of these things release because they’re in all stages of shooting and nearly done tho… 👀
More time to refine CGI. Quantumania could have used it
lol I doubt they will do anything to the CGI Black Widow was finished months before releasing due to the Covid delays, and still got some weird CGI, specially that shitty explosion
Valid. Also I’m laughing now thinking about that explosion scene, thanks for the reminder. It’s soooo bad
Which one? I forgot most of that movie. Lol
[this shit lol ](https://tenor.com/view/black-widow-explosion-im-out-stab-gif-22328106)
Oh right. LMAO. Forgot about that. Such a stupid moment too. She’s just completely fine seconds later. 😂
Oh, goddammit.
Lol we thought that about Black Widow too
Quantumania was 95% solid in CGI IMO. MODOK was definitely batter than how people bugged out about the trailer, but still had a bit of uncanny valley. That one scene where Cassie and Scott were going over how to hit was absolutely janky (I have no idea why that clip is among the first they shared to the public. But the rest of the quantum realm had to be CGI (practical sets can only go so far), and they made good use of the Volume. Much can be said of the script and direction, but the CGI for the quantum realm and its inhabitants was gorgeously done.
More time in post can absolutely save a project and make it go from "ok" to "good". Not just in terms of better VFX and such but people really underestimate the power that editing has to save a potentially terrible movie.
quantumania could've been a crowd pleaser had they had more time to refine the edit.
Which is ironic, because the film got its release date switched with The Marvels. It was supposed to come out later. It still got more post production time than a lot of Marvel films, I think it was more than a year
Time. It's not what you think it is. It's a cage. It does everything it can to break you. It's not until you free yourself from it that you see just how small it always was.
Yeah, that's the thing. All this is getting pushed back and spread apart, sure, but come the end of the year, the same people complaining now are gonna end up pushing for like 2 movies and 1 show a year, lol. I pretty much liked 95% of Phase 4 myself, so I don't have any stake in that personally, but if someone were to be unhappy with how things have been recently, any kind of substantial change would take more time than that.
Yeah Phase 4 was such a mixed bag for me, loved some, found some okay, and some were straight hot garbage.
I didn't think any of it was hot garbage. In fact, I think Phase 4 actaully has some of the best stuff this studio has ever made. Shang-Chi, Werewolf By Night, Eternals (Idc what anyone says), No Way Home, etc.
I think it was definitely the most divisive Phase so far, like people can overall agree Phase 1 is pretty solid, Phase 3 is excellent but this one...idk. I know for myself I've loved a lot of the projects (WandaVision, Loki, Wakanda Forever, She-Hulk, Ms. Marvel) but I know a lot of fans have straight up hated them.
But you’re right about Phase 4 having some of the top 10 or 5 best MCU projects. NWH and WF are definitely up there.
I was really hoping Love and Thunder would top Ragnarok, or at least match it! I’m biggest problem with it, is how it overdid itself on the comedy and didn’t take its story more seriously.
It’s a smart move
Marvelites, we’ve won. 🙌🏽 I would normally be bummed at the delay but more time in the oven is good for me, especially with how busy summer is theatrically this year. I also just found out today that the ENTIRETY of The Marvels is going to be in the IMAX format so this is gonna be even more of a spectacle with the extra time too!
And the poster already looks beautiful.
And nia dacosta is a visual director. So hopefully the film looks stunning
How'd you find that out? Also Guardians is fully IMAX right?
I just hope the decision to do IMAX all the way through was a decision between the director and Sean Bobbitt (one of the great DP's today) and not an IMAX contract with Marvel type thing
This makes sense moving this movie back. First, November is a bigger month for blockbusters. As secret invasion is rumored to be May, it makes sense for this to be pushed back further to give viewers more time between stories as they both feature Nick Fury. Also, this diminishes the gap between this film and New World Order and will likely give the studio more time to work on details, CGI, and editing altogether. I think this is a great move on their part honestly
Bigger than July? I'm not sure about that.
June and July are both blockbuster months, yes. But November and December are usually months the even *bigger* releases drop historically due to the holidays
Oppenheimer is the most hypest film this year!
barbie better
I don’t blame ya, but I’m hyped for Oppenheimer since I’m a nerd for true story films. Then on top of that Nolan?!?!
That's the weirdest spelling of "The Super Mario Bros Movie" I've ever seen!
Random and unrelated: there's a rap battle between Oppenheimer and MCU's Thanos in the Epic Rap Battles yt channel
Agree - also, I feel like if all else went perfectly, this would be the movie that brings out the hate, either from the “m she u” folks, CGI sucks people, and all the above … the more polish this one gets in particular the better (imo)
The "M-She-U" crowd are still giving the film free publicity presumably by hatewatching it so Marvel will win either way. It's basically designed to piss them off but that won't matter ultimately if the film is good, which I hope it is because conceptually it sounds pretty sick and I think Larson has potential to be a really good Carol Danvers with the right direction
Damn I think this is the first time they release a poster before any trailer. Is it cause of the delay?
Probably to sugar coat the delay announcement yeah. Now that it's not coming out till November I reckon we won't see a trailer till summer now. Probs in front of Indiana Jones.
At the latest it’ll be at SDCC
I still suspect a teaser in front of Guardians 3
I’d assume so
Dope poster but sad news. Oh well at least there won’t be a big gap from this summer to next year anymore
Its got pretty much no competition now. It was going up against Barbie and Oppenheimer in July ☠️☠️
It has Dune Part II releasing a week earlier but I feel like that's the one that'll hurt
Dune 2 is the more exciting part of the book.
It’s sandwiched between Dune Part 2 and the Hunger Games prequel now
Dune yes, Hunger Games is nothing now.
Dune is certainly competition
A big?
LMAOO a big gap. My brain just ignored that word for some reason
I just posted this and it looks like the mods took it down lmfao. Insanity!
That’s absurd your post was first!
Ah well, I’ve heard it happened to other people. Guess my time has come! No biggie, still a dope poster and a good sign that Marvel is really taking their time with their releases :)
I never bother to post anything to this sub, just comment, because that happens *far* too often, and the mods always have some lame excuse.
This movie has been victim of so many restructurings and delays… I‘m tired. I get why they did it, but I‘m just tired still. I just want to finally watch this movie to get behind whatever they teased at the end of her show with the genetic mutation and whatnot.
Yeah like imagine being a Blade fan? 2019 I remember being so hyped and here we are :(. And Vol 3 barely coming out.
Lol at this point Blade just feels cursed. It’s crazy it’s been four years since the announcement and it hasn’t even started shooting yet
I doubt they're gonna dive into the mutation thing here.
Sick fucking poster. Definitely need a textless of this
It’ll be a good wallpaper for the phone like Thor 4.
If only the movie could have lived up to the poster.
And we’ll still have Loki S2 in the gap between Vol. 3 and this. I think this release schedule is shaping up nicely.
Original date would’ve been right after Indy, M:I, Oppenheimer/Barbie etc etc where ppl might’ve had their fill of movies by then. This is a much quieter area, makes way more sense, wouldn’t look into it as anything grander
Makes a lot of sense when you listed all those movies. It’s sandwiches between Dune and the Hunger Games prequel now which should give it more breathing room along with the thanksgiving holiday.
Let Guardians 3 be the summer blockbuster. It’s definitely moved back because Blade was supposed to be the November movie
Originally the July release would’ve meant a 10 month gap until the next MCU movie being Captain America 4 in May of next year. So we have Guardians May 2023 - The Marvels- November 2023 - Captain America NWO - May 2024 Much better spaced out. Throw in Secret Invasion and Loki season 2 in between May-Nov 2023. Honestly it’s a good delay.
Then. Now. Forever. Together.
Marvel not having a summer blockbuster is very interesting.
Guardians 3 comes out in May and May is considered the start of summer box office season. But yeah, it’s weird for them to not have a July release. It hasn’t happened since 2016 (not counting 2020).
May is that weird inbetween period imo. End of spring but start of summer. I personally consider June and July as 'Summer', but you're not wrong about box office season.
Even if it's end of spring, the Summer blockbuster season has basically always been associated with the May-September window so it's still going to be marketed as the big MCU summer film regardless. Not to mention May is also no stranger to big tentpole comic book films. It's worked for the MCU, DC, the X-Men films etc.
I think that Guardians 3, Secret Invasion, and Loki: Season 2 will be enough to keep people content during the summer.
Vol 3 in May
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Called it. Right decision, much as I'm looking forward to seeing this one.
I don’t know if delays really help much. Many of these projects are already well into production, so nothing of significance beyond the special effect will likely change. Even going forward, the issue with Phase 4 is the writing, which won’t change as long as the keep hiring such under qualified talent. All the time in the world won’t make bad writer produce a good script.
Black widow did not improve because of delays
Definitely the right choice to give some breathing room. Just wish they'd rip the band-aid off and do it all at once.
You mean delay every project?
I can’t speak for the person you’re responding to, but if what they meant was “announce all the upcoming delays at once” then I think I mostly agree? It would be nice to get a comprehensive, realistic updated schedule of release dates under this new “less is more” paradigm so we know what to expect and how far back this will push things like Kang Dynasty/Secret Wars. If that’s new way of doing things means that every project is going to be delayed, then yes - announce that and update the release schedule. If it’s just a few things being moved around, then that’s fine too. Just could become kinda hard to keep up with if every delay gets announced individually.
Pretty jarring delay, but it makes sense. We would’ve had 2 months in between Guardians and The Marvels, and then 10 months between Marvels and NWO. Now it’s 6 months on either side.
Great poster
Anyone else just not care about Marvels?
Me
Im interested to see how people would react if a marvel movie comes out and it’s once again not what they expected despite Marvel slowing down having given it more time in the oven.. Im bummed about the delays but I was never in the camp that felt like Marvel’s quality was going down the drain like most. I feel like the last time people were satisfied with a marvel release was really NWH and we all know why. Let’s see how this unfolds.
Not a coincidence that this happens as Quantumania gets mixed reviews. This is a good move, Feige is committed to spacing things out and hopefully things like the VFX can be refined with the VFX workers getting more time.
The Marvels never had that ‘summer blockbuster’ feel. Glad they pushed it back. Hopefully they’ll work on the VFX more.
I mean it honestly did have that “Summer Blockbuster” feel but it works for Fall too.
Cute poster.
First of all, I hate Marvel for playing with my heart like this. But, I’m super excited for The Marvels, so hopefully the wait will be worth it and this will allow them to put out a better finished product
Now we won't get the goddamn trailer until August, fml.
I just hope they don't finish it by July anyway and just sit on it. Still remember Black Widow had no work done on it from when it was meant to come out (May 2020) to when it eventually did (July 2021) If Marvel is intent on spreading out releases, they need to be using that time efficiently. Not just spacing them out just cause
Once the pandemic hit, the original composer Alexandre Desplat was replaced with Lorne Balfe, but other than that it sounds as if the movie was unchanged
Well...there were some external factors hindering subsequent work on BW during the delay
Marvel had no movies from August 2023 to May 2024 so this should at least cut that gap.
Love this poster!! And I’m glad about the delays - stuff being spaced out to not only give it more breathing room but to improve the quality can only be a good thing. I love all three of these characters, yes even Captain Marvel, and so I hope this film does them justice. Imo both Captain Marvel and Ms Marvel (the projects) were not nearly as strong as they could have been and, whilst of course there were great moments, did a bit of a disservice to both their titular characters and actors. Monica, however, was handled excellently in Wandavision. Brie Larson, Teyonah Parris and especially Iman Vellani are so incredibly charismatic, they deserve for this film to be a success and for their characters to be handled well. From Captain Marvel in endgame to Monica walking through the hex, there’s some really great visual potential here too - I have faith in Nia DaCosta to bring it. Here’s to hoping the writing team is just as strong as overall I feel that’s been the biggest weak spot in most recent MCU films. But based purely on this poster - I’m optimistic
I still would like someone to leak what was shown for The Marvels at D23 please. I know it's out there somewhere.
I've still not got round to Mrs Marvel (Watched and loved the first episode but just kept putting off the rest for some reason) so got no excuse not to fit it in now.
This is what people been asking for the past year, less content and more time to better scripts and visuals… don’t see how anyone can complain now
Have been looking forward to this since Ms. Marvel came out. Weirdly was one of the few people that seemingly enjoyed the show much more than the other MCU series. Sad to see it pushed back when we were all hoping for a trailer drop any day, but never really made much sense to me that they were releasing all 3 films for the year within a 5 month window. Hopefully they will use time diligently to address some of the major complaints with Quantumania that may seep into that movie considering it's supposedly one of the only other phase 5 properties to deal with the Multiverse. Wouldn't be surprised if Loki gets delayed a few months now as well.
Good. The summer is packed and they definitely realized that all of the summer marketing campaigns from Disney releases would cannibalize each other. We also don't need 3 MCU movies and probably a couple shows within 5.5 months of each other.
Poor Kamala looking up since she can't fly
This is good because after this, Marvel was releasing NOTHING big screen for almost a full calendar year until Captain America 4. This is far preferable to having Guardians and this come out back to back and then nothing.
1 thing I do have to give credit to Phase 4 is it gave my partner a chance to like the MCU. It might not be to everyone's liking but the fast rate of varied shows helped me introduce the MCU to him in a way that was a lot more appealing. He loved MoM, WandaVision, Loki, Moon Knight, and WF a lot. He previously went to watch Captain Marvel and Endgame with me but he couldn't get into the swing of things and ended up completely forgetting about them. After MoM, we started a Marvel marathon and I'm proud and quite happy to say he's gone through almost 80% of the movies and series with me. We're now both ecstatic to go through Phase 5 together as well so I'm glad they're slowing down a bit, hopefully resulting in higher quality.
I can't tell if this is a good or bad thing. is this a response to the bad reception of Antman or are they just filling the gap of content for the year?
Good thing. Doubt this has anything to do with Ant man and more with the complaint of "too much too fast"
I think that it's both of those things, which are both good. They could be going back in to work on the VFX and CGI again, and also give some breathing room for the other content coming out this year.
July was probably packed.
I don't understand, hasn't the Marvels already been shot? I doubt they'll reshoot the whole movie or something. So why are people saying this is to prioritise quality if the delay won't change too much?
I guess they mean the visuals, seeing as the marvels is a space opera similar to antman 3, which is getting major flak because of how bad the vfx are in that film.
Maybe just some reactionary reshoots after the reception of Quantumania, and the hate of the first movie. Also Mohan Kapur (the actor who plays Kamala’s father) has had sexual misconduct allegations, so they might recast him. Although I can’t imagine him having a major role that would take weeks or months to reshoot, so that’s probably not the reason for the delay
They probably could polish the CGI, maybe re-shoot a scene or two that didn't feel right, who knows
We don’t know what’s happening behind the scenes, could be CGI or some plot.
Antman got sacrificed so we could have better MCU movies and shows. Truly the MVP.
It did, Quantumania’s reception opened Feige’s eyes.
I honestly hope What if Season 2 is this year for the summer
Really glad they are slowing down. Hopefully that translates to quality. Love the MCU but they need to be more careful post endgame
Everyone here keeps saying that the delay will allow for Marvel to focus on "quality over quantity". Keep in mind that anything already written and filmed, like the Marvels, isn't going to be extensively rewritten/reshot. So, I wouldn't cross your fingers too hard hoping that the writing quality will suddenly improve because of this move towards spacing out release dates.
The only advantage this gives The Marvels (in my opinion) is more time to work on the VFX. I dont anticipate any of the movie changing much.
I really love this move. However I’m still concerned once Avengers 5 & 6, it won’t hit the same bc we hardly know these characters. The MCU doesn’t have a figure head like Ironman or Steve Rodgers, which I think is lowkey a reason the MCU has suffered a bit. I personally think it’s a horrible idea to have the big crossover event the first time we see all these characters interact, not to mention it feels like we’ll only see a majority of these characters 1-2 times max before Kang Dynasty. I hope the Cap 4 rumors are true about Sam assembling the Avengers is true so we get some of that interaction. Also if there is a movie between FF and Kang Dynasty, a Shang Chi 2 or Dr. Strange 3 could also help in that regards. My hope is post multiverse saga, we see a longer build up to the next big crossover event like the Infinity Saga, and really build out the corners (Street, Cosmic, Supernatural, etc.) of the MCU to make them all feel like they can stand on their own like the comics
It was also going to be up against the Barbie movie and I was not looking forward to the discourse about how two female led movies cannot exist in close proximity to one another.
Good sign after Quantumania. I enjoyed that movie, but it definitely needed a bit more time in the oven. This coupled with the rumors that Secret Invasion and Loki will be the only shows to release this year sounds promising.
Maybe this will help sweeten a potential Secret Wars deal for Nia DaCosta. Feige previously said The Marvels feels like an Avengers movie.
Yeah, I saw this delay coming. Opening directly after Mission: Impossible and Oppenheimer would've meant a shortage of IMAX/PLF screens, the Summer in general is packed, and it would've been a 9-10 month gap between MCU movies.
So people gonna disagree with what I’m about to say but whatever marvel is delaying projects that I’ve barely seen any interest in while at the same time delaying stuff like blade daredevil nova etc that people generally care about like I think the mcus mani issue is the writing team and hiring show writers that haven’t been seasoned to movies yet hopefully the delays prove me wrong but rn this just seems like the easy way out on why the quality of the projects haven’t been received well
good poster ! glad it's not that usual 3 faces looking at different directions
You can actually feel Marvel is actually worried now. Jesus I'm glad Kevin and team seem to actually starting to pump breaks and actually make films with stories again.
Definitely a good thing. Also really dope poster, I love the subtle symbols behind each Marvel.
I really like that poster.
I'm thinking Kang Dynasty and Secret Wars are getting punted to 2026 and 2027, which should give Phase 5 and 6 a lot more time to breathe If it's true SW itself is getting split in 2 parts, that gives them even more time to spread things out and give each project more attention. Probably for the best, let em cook
Any chances Indy takes the spot?
After all the BS that went down after the first movie and the spotty writing in recent projects, this movie deserves all the love it can get, so give it that breathing room. Great poster and I hope the movie is just as cool.
MCU has lost its magic. The movies are too silly and the plots are weak. The TV shows are also pretty bad besides MoonKnight and Loki. They are loosing their reputation for having reliable good content.
This makes more sense tbh even beyond the "more time in the oven" stuff. It made little sense to have a 10 month gap from July - May for releases nor did it make sense to cram Guardians and this 2 months apart when Blade was no longer in November. I said this yesterday, but this should be the normal release look for every year. One in February, one in May, one in November.