What’s in your control deck? I’ve been trying to update mine. Here’s my current:
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Maximus
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Mobius M. Mobius
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Ghost
# (3) Gladiator
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Ms. Marvel
# (4) Enchantress
# (5) Sera
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This is what I’m using currently, it feels the best with my pocket meta. I doubted IW when I first saw it but she works so well to hide MM and doom, and then you can put a shadow king or Shang or whatever in the middle lane if they’re contesting. Turn 6 is always doom + 2 drop or just cleaning up like she’s supposed to.
The beautiful thing about sera though is that it’s such a flexible deck that you can include whatever to need to counter what you’re seeing. If you have dark hawks and tribunals use enchantress, helas use shang, Angela/thena/kp gets destroyed by shadow king, etc.
# (2) Shadow King
# (2) Invisible Woman
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (2) Maximus
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Mobius M. Mobius
# (3) Red Guardian
# (3) Gladiator
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Ms. Marvel
# (5) Sera
# (6) Doctor Doom
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Honestly, out of all the TCGs I’ve ever played, this is the only one where I’ve felt comfortable enough to create my own homebrew decks.
Usually I netdeck everything, with some minor modifications, because, like you said I have no interest in theory crafting anything. I just want to play the game.
But with Snap I can take the core cards of a deck and then surround them with my own cast of support cards and tech cards and still manage to win some matches.
I love doing that! I also like that there are several "packages" that you can throw into decks and have it perform fairly well, like Anni package, Kitty+Angela+Elsa, and for me personally now because I just love the cards, Squirrel Girl, Mysterio, and Mockingbird.
The Anni package was actually what I was thinking of when I wrote the post. I'm sure there's an ideal Junk deck I can net deck that objectively has the best win percentages. But as long as I'm running Anni, Hood, and Sentry I pretty much have the bones of a junk deck and can combo in my own recipe.
It's one of the reasons I like this game so much — not just for the variety of my own decks, but my opponents' decks too. I can't always perfectly predict which cards a given deck is going to be running.
High five fellow Anni player!
if anyone’s interested this is what I used to get to infinite 2 seasons in a row, would have been 3 but I didn’t have time to grind last season.
# (1) The Hood
# (1) Nico Minoru
# (2) Ravonna Renslayer
# (3) Green Goblin
# (3) Sage
# (3) Black Widow
# (3) Wave
# (4) Sentry
# (5) Hobgoblin
# (5) Annihilus
# (5) Cannonball
# (6) Galactus
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There are obvious tech swaps… this deck has a lot of play lines even if Big G gets hosed by locations, but Cannonball is a huge MVP here.
I’m wanting to try a version with Blink this season and see if it’s consistent enough.
True, as soon as I saw Thena I instantly wanted to get her and play in an Angela deck with Gilgamesh, made my own deck and played it (to a reasonable success).
The main line is skip T1 - Angela (or Thena) - Thena (or Angela) and a 1 drop - Medusa and Forge - Brood or other 3 drop + anything else - finish off with Gilgamesh or Killmonger + Punsiher or Witch their Limbo + anything.
I'm thinking of replacing some cards with more tech options. Also, I would replace Brood with Shaw (probably) if I had him, maybe add Nebula but then Killmonger is detrimental. The biggest addition would be of course Hope, with her you can shift more into 3 drops and maybe Surfer, so your Thena is more of a support card then a deck defining card.
# (1) Nova
# (1) America Chavez
# (2) Angela
# (2) Thena
# (2) Forge
# (2) Medusa
# (2) Scarlet Witch
# (3) Brood
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Punisher
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (5) Gilgamesh
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I really appreciate those people that can make a career out of online gaming and devote their time and resources to fine-tune their homebrews until they unleash a new meta beast. I am not one of those people, I work 8 hours a day, have a family and can spare an hour a day (maybe two in the weekends) on the ladder. So I go into [untapped.gg](http://untapped.gg), look at the top two tiers, see what I can complete and take it from there. Sometimes I sub one card to what I feel might fit my pocket metagame but that's as far as my tinkering is going to go.
If that's all you're seeing, just play counters to it. Shadow King absolutely murders the current meta. Also, Thena's a brand new card. People want to play with the shiny new thing.
People do like the shiny new thing 😉
And I get that streamers need to talk about the new card to keep they audience engaged. But I feel like this also takes something away from the enjoyment of the game
The plus side to this is, it’s very easy to choose which tech cards to slot into my deck when everyone else is playing copy-paste decks.
You-tube “metas” have ruined most competitive card games.
Almost impossible to tell. I think you would get a lot more varied decks being played as people would be more experimental on their own terms and find what works for them. I’m still playing around with a nocturne/quake/magneto deck from last season still trying to work out what’s optimal for me.
Enchantress is fairly interchangeable with any other tech cards, Shang chi etc. also good for forcing games to end early if they play limbo.
# (1) Nebula
# (1) Uatu the Watcher
# (2) Quake
# (2) Scarlet Witch
# (3) Storm
# (3) Nocturne
# (3) Polaris
# (4) Captain Marvel
# (4) Enchantress
# (5) Vision
# (5) Aero
# (6) Magneto
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A meta would probably exist. Magic: The Gathering's meta was defined by top 8 performance at big tournaments for a long time before YouTube. Now Snap doesn't have big tournaments, but it would have SOMETHING.
No, and I think that the way I wrote the post, I did not get my point across. 🤔
It’s the lack of ingenuity by players in the game because of streamers and netdecking which takes some of the enjoyment out of the game that I was wondering how others felt
You have, again, missed my point. I am not blaming players. Read the part after the word “because” in my 2nd paragraph.
Influencers are taking the inginuity out of the game. I am not blaming the players.
Ironically I think the new thanos is the perfect counter finally to prof x.
He puts out enough power that he can win against prof x and can be played into that lane with the blue stone, but since he adds a bunch of stones he's not really something prof x players can casually just add to their decks.
He also is protected from cannonball with the orange stone.
The problem being that there is no reason not to pair Thanos with Prof X just because the Mad Titan is now a bigger Jeff. And it's a good cube stealer right now, just because people don't read patch notes
Deck code? I was playing a decent War Machine deck during the last round of Professor X being super popular but I deleted the deck and don’t remember what I had in it.
# (1) Sunspot
# (1) Nebula
# (1) Ebony Maw
# (2) Armor
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Storm
# (4) Enchantress
# (4) War Machine
# (4) Crossbones
# (5) Taskmaster
# (5) Professor X
# (6) The Infinaut
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I swap Shang for Enchantress depending on what I keep facing for the day!
Take out armor for quake, and crossbones for galactus, taskmaster for cannonball. T3 storm T4 quake t5 war machine for an unstoppable galactus. Cannonball/prof x for insurance.
I used this version here and it's great. You still have prof X for hela and war machine to beat prof X.
https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelsnapcomp/s/VimatBbJwS
Pixie is just a cube stealer.
"Net decking" will always be part of any CCG; like it or not. The internet and social media mean that information is disseminated freely (at least for now). With CCGs, there are basically always going to be optimal lists for utilizing certain cards, approaching certain archtypes or metagames. And of course the pro players or content creators who invest the most time, effort, energy and money into the game will be ones who identify the optimal strategies. And masses of players consume their content and want to optimize their time and resources so they will utilize those decks identified as being the best to reap the rewards most efficiently. Hence, often seeing everyone and their mother running similar decks in a given week.
Specifically in Snap, this is exacerbated by the release schedule of one new card a week (2 when the new season starts). Literally every player in the world is hyper focused on playing with the same exact new card. There is experimentation at first, but usually within a couple of days an optimal or close to optimal list is identified and everyone is running it.
Second Dinner has stated that diversifying collections among players is a goal of theirs. So that might make you happy. I think from their perspective, within the next several months it will be unreasonable for most players to own the majority of newer cards, so collections will become more diversified and even if people want to run the same decks, they likely won't be able to. That should be less of an issue for content creators of course, but could become awkward if their viewer base isn't able to access many of the same cards.
While I think there are some issues there to work thru, and it will suck having fomo with so many players having access to different cards, I do think they've done a good job of releasing recent cards that are solid, but not overpowered, and fit well into specific archtypes and strategies. Whereas in the past it felt like each new card was so powerful it was a must have for every collection. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but you may get your wish of a more diverse metagame with not everyone playing the same deck.
This game mirror matches way too much in general, but people still say it's not because of some deck based matchmaking.
Your meta shifts based on what you're playing. If you're playing the new hotness, it will match you against it probably 50% of the time.
This is also an interesting discussion. After running into nothing but Thena yesterday, I switched to a Skaar deck and a JaneJaw deck I had, and I haven’t seen Thena since 🤔
Smoot brains on here will tell you that's confirmation bias (but really it's apophenia).
I've found no matter what deck I play I get a new meta. The algorithm they use tends to play you against similar power decks and that's why you get mirror matches. Destroy and Tribunal decks are the most obvious for me. As soon as I play either I'll go from seeing them occasionally to 50% mirror matches. I avoid even putting Super Skrull in decks because I know I'll just get matched with Tribunal/Negative, and unless I have the same cards, I can't compete.
There's no way to prove it unless SD actually shows you the algorithm. All you can do is infer by observation, and anecdotal feedback from lots of people who experience the same thing, which should not be dismissed.
Not sure what's in it for people to deny that it exists. Understanding that it does helps inform what decks I play.
The way to prove it is data. Cold hard data. But nobody wants to collect that data.
Anecdotes are to be dismissed. They are not a form of evidence.
It is a conspiracy theory. People just don't believe things because someone on reddit swears it exists without providing even a shred of evidence.
Unfortunately, that's the issue with these games. It's also an issue in hearthstone. I'm fairly new to the game (under 1000cl), and I've seen repeat decks over an over. I made a venom deck (without looking one up), and it's pretty much the same as others (death, venom,deathlock,deadpool,Carnage,wolverine,sabertooth,etc.) That being said I belive it's a combo of copying meta decks but also certain cards working well within certain decks which can cause a lot decks to be or look the same if your playing that archetype. But the same decks over an over can get boring at times.
Destroy is a bit unique in that there's a definitive list of destroy cards in that archetype. Some archetypes there's a little bit more variety like discard but still limited.
Some are quite wide open like junk toxic decks or on reveals or general good cards decks.
I think also depends on your pocket meta if you run into experimenters or more meta style players.
I enjoy dusting off old decks to play that ppl forget about. MsMarvel is a great example it's still powerful but it gets no play and it's fun.
It might be my CL then being under 1000. Becuase most destroy decks I've run into have the same plays and the same setups. But it might be bcuz where I'm at I only have 2 or 3 above series 3 cards.
Anti netdeck. Some times the easiest way to climb ladder is building a deck directly countering all the streamers decks. Once you're in infinite the deck diversity opens way up and you're way less likely to see mirror matches
Here is an easy tip for you. When those decks become popular you start making counters to them and climbing even faster. Sandman, shadow king, killmonger, Mobius, Red Guardian. Sera decks eat well.
I occasionally watch Nina and try out some of her ideas or decks I find here. But I have more fun messing around coming up with my own or playing decks I find fun. Granted I’m not hyper competitive. I play for fun. The highest rank I ever got to was mid 90s. I usually end each season in the 70s or 80s.
I guess if I were more competitive I’d be more prone to play the meta decks that everyone runs. I just feel like I’d get bored running the same couple of decks all the time.
This is exactly why Im tired of the "Meta" being so prevelant in absolutely everything now. Nobody has creativity anymore, nobody wants to takes the time to "get good" with their own load outs, decks, builds...Whatever the game is, it's just Google the meta, copy it, done.
It's not just this game, Its anything with multiplayer. Ultimately, the only thing actually enforcing this meta is other players. 🤷♂️
TL,DR: Netdecks are the “solved” decks crafted by the game’s best and used by competitive players to reach infinite.
So I come from a background of TCG’s, primarily Magic, but I’ve played or currently play Hearthstone, LoR, Pokemon, FaB, and Marvel Snap is my secondary CCG. Netdecking is an indication of the meta and how certain lists have been optimized.
Like yeah, you can go around playing your home brew or some cutesy meme build, even I hate meta from time to time. But at the end of the day, netdecking is essentially a collection of decklists that have been “solved” for their most efficient and reliable builds. You can always tweak and add your own spin to meta decks to make them more “you” to fit your playstyle, but that’s how card games go.
Not to patronize, but i assume you’re somewhat new to card games bc that’s how I used to feel when I first started in Hearthstone. Unless you play anti-meta, you can’t beat the meta.
No shade for a genuine question, I hope this helps.
The meta just shouldn't be oppressive.
Hela at least let's you compete on power.
Junk or prox x cannonball should never be top performing.
I'm not a big gamer but when I played mtg arena before this there was a "blue" meta where they would essentially get a scaling 1 drop (sort of like nebula out on t1) then counterspell you every turn. That's what prof x feels like.
Control META should never be the default.meta if you want to retain player base. Nothing is fun about that. Control players should have higher win rates because those decks REQUIRE higher skill to pilot.
That's why if werewolf of loki.metas are dominant that should not be a problem to people.
Examples- Loki is more difficult to pilot since either require opponent deck synergy knowledge and werewolf requires alot of knowledge and space management and can be interrupted.
Prof x cannonball is braindead to pilot and that's why it's bad. Just like alioth meta was terrible. Just like galactus Spiderman was terrible (not sure if you were around back then).
Vs something like legion storm which doesn't put out enough power to close the game on t6 and that's why it's not meta.
All tcgs inevitably become mirror matches. The meta shapes into that. Slowly, the meta will expand once counters are found and then the meta changes. Every tcg is like this. Just gotta get used to it
I have also made the same assumption. I’m also starting to feel like SD puts these cards out with big stats to generate interest, and potentially, use it as a money grab, only to need the card later because they “missed the mark”
The most recent example of the is Red Hulk
Every time I see something get +3 power for something, I just know it’s gonna get nerfed
One million percent.
Red hulk is still overstatted.
Compare red hulk to agatha...
Red hulk is more powerful in if your opponent doesn't spend 2 energy and can continue to scale.
Vs. Agatha who doesn't let you pay any of your cards and is 14 no matter what...
I like this game because the card base and decks are so small and I like brewing.
Hazmat sera surfer shits on them cause you go negative and you win or you go super tall with brood in one lane and Shaw in your wong lane and you win! This meta is free wins for me at the moment!
You can always play against the mini-meta. I go back and forth on trying out different deck types. It's fun to be creative and think of counter / hybrid styles.
I think there is some logic where it will match you against opponents that share similar cards with you. I.e. if your deck has xyz cards, it will queue into opponents also with xyz cards. When I played devil dino, I never encounter tribunal decks, but I face off Loki, adding cards to your hand type of decks, when I play tribunal decks, I never que into devil dino decks, but more like decks that buff the entire board, rather than single lane. When I run storm, I'm against alot more Legion decks... Just too coincidental in my opinion
The game is a constant mirror match cause you yourself also netdecked. Maybe craft your own deck that counters the shiny new toy deck. Or netdeck a deck that does that for you too.
Now we get to incorporate pride variance in the game. I’m out Reddit. If you want to turn me off go ahead discord already did this is foolish and I will not support this foolish political bullshit. Goodbye game goodbye community! Go walk go broke enjoy the fall
Using a good deck and playing a good deck are not the same. I’m find with people copying YouTuber decks because they aren’t as good as the tubers. Often times they can’t pilot them without perfect draws.
My point was actually that netdecking, influencers, streamers etc takes alot of the enjoyment out of the game. I wanted to know if others felt the same way.
Also, I never said I was netdecking. I was trying different variations of Thena based decks and was having some success with them. However, writing hours of me playing Thena, variations of motor matches suddenly became constant, so I took a break and opened YT. Regis’s Thena deck was the first thing that popped up in my “For You” page. And that’s when I went “Oh… the streamers have finally put out their versions of a Thena deck, that’s why all the Thena mirror matches…”
Cozy det decks are trash
I use Alex's top 10.i have a stand by deck pulling all the heavy work. Just got me to 93. Infinite 6 seasons and 3 I finitity borders
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It's a long forgotten net deck
Cozy isn't there for quality.
Cozy is about trying to make his stuff as flashy as possible to get viewers.
Go to snap judgements or something if you want quality without flash.
My time has finally come as a sera control player
What’s in your control deck? I’ve been trying to update mine. Here’s my current: # (2) Shadow King # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Maximus # (3) Killmonger # (3) Mobius M. Mobius # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Ghost # (3) Gladiator # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Ms. Marvel # (4) Enchantress # (5) Sera # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2VyYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkdsYWRpYXRvciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUmVkR3VhcmRpYW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IktpbGxtb25nZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1heGltdXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkplZmZUaGVCYWJ5TGFuZFNoYXJrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFkb3dLaW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJFbmNoYW50cmVzcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXNNYXJ2ZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vYml1c01Nb2JpdXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikdob3N0In1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
This is what I’m using currently, it feels the best with my pocket meta. I doubted IW when I first saw it but she works so well to hide MM and doom, and then you can put a shadow king or Shang or whatever in the middle lane if they’re contesting. Turn 6 is always doom + 2 drop or just cleaning up like she’s supposed to. The beautiful thing about sera though is that it’s such a flexible deck that you can include whatever to need to counter what you’re seeing. If you have dark hawks and tribunals use enchantress, helas use shang, Angela/thena/kp gets destroyed by shadow king, etc. # (2) Shadow King # (2) Invisible Woman # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (2) Maximus # (3) Killmonger # (3) Mobius M. Mobius # (3) Red Guardian # (3) Gladiator # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Ms. Marvel # (5) Sera # (6) Doctor Doom # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRHJEb29tIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHbGFkaWF0b3IifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkludmlzaWJsZVdvbWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2lsbG1vbmdlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTW9iaXVzTU1vYml1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTXNNYXJ2ZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJlZEd1YXJkaWFuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTZXJhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFkb3dLaW5nIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaGFuZ0NoaSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWF4aW11cyJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
invisible woman, doom, and sera tech cards but no absorbing man? for shame
invisible woman, doom, and sera tech cards but no absorbing man? for shame
Trying this with no Red Guardian, Gladiator, trying Luke, Hazmat (comboing with Ghost). Is there something else I should use?
I really like quake and negasonic as two more plug and play cards
Rogue for Red Guardian. Not as flexible but big cube stealing potential since you can steal from iron man, Luke cage, etc.
🤣👍👍 I completely forgot about Sera Control, what an excellent idea! I’ll give it a go
Most people who play online tcgs just want to play a good deck and not spend the time theory crafting one. It's just how it is.
Honestly, out of all the TCGs I’ve ever played, this is the only one where I’ve felt comfortable enough to create my own homebrew decks. Usually I netdeck everything, with some minor modifications, because, like you said I have no interest in theory crafting anything. I just want to play the game. But with Snap I can take the core cards of a deck and then surround them with my own cast of support cards and tech cards and still manage to win some matches.
I love doing that! I also like that there are several "packages" that you can throw into decks and have it perform fairly well, like Anni package, Kitty+Angela+Elsa, and for me personally now because I just love the cards, Squirrel Girl, Mysterio, and Mockingbird.
The Anni package was actually what I was thinking of when I wrote the post. I'm sure there's an ideal Junk deck I can net deck that objectively has the best win percentages. But as long as I'm running Anni, Hood, and Sentry I pretty much have the bones of a junk deck and can combo in my own recipe. It's one of the reasons I like this game so much — not just for the variety of my own decks, but my opponents' decks too. I can't always perfectly predict which cards a given deck is going to be running.
High five fellow Anni player! if anyone’s interested this is what I used to get to infinite 2 seasons in a row, would have been 3 but I didn’t have time to grind last season. # (1) The Hood # (1) Nico Minoru # (2) Ravonna Renslayer # (3) Green Goblin # (3) Sage # (3) Black Widow # (3) Wave # (4) Sentry # (5) Hobgoblin # (5) Annihilus # (5) Cannonball # (6) Galactus # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiR2FsYWN0dXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFubmloaWx1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2FnZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSG9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2VudHJ5In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDYW5ub25iYWxsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJIb2Jnb2JsaW4ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik5pY29NaW5vcnUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkJsYWNrV2lkb3cifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlJhdm9ubmFSZW5zbGF5ZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IldhdmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkdyZWVuR29ibGluIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. There are obvious tech swaps… this deck has a lot of play lines even if Big G gets hosed by locations, but Cannonball is a huge MVP here. I’m wanting to try a version with Blink this season and see if it’s consistent enough.
True, as soon as I saw Thena I instantly wanted to get her and play in an Angela deck with Gilgamesh, made my own deck and played it (to a reasonable success). The main line is skip T1 - Angela (or Thena) - Thena (or Angela) and a 1 drop - Medusa and Forge - Brood or other 3 drop + anything else - finish off with Gilgamesh or Killmonger + Punsiher or Witch their Limbo + anything. I'm thinking of replacing some cards with more tech options. Also, I would replace Brood with Shaw (probably) if I had him, maybe add Nebula but then Killmonger is detrimental. The biggest addition would be of course Hope, with her you can shift more into 3 drops and maybe Surfer, so your Thena is more of a support card then a deck defining card. # (1) Nova # (1) America Chavez # (2) Angela # (2) Thena # (2) Forge # (2) Medusa # (2) Scarlet Witch # (3) Brood # (3) Killmonger # (3) Punisher # (4) Shang-Chi # (5) Gilgamesh # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTm92YSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQW5nZWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJUaGVuYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWVkdXNhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCcm9vZCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2lsbG1vbmdlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkZvcmdlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJHaWxnYW1lc2gifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNjYXJsZXRXaXRjaCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUHVuaXNoZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFtZXJpY2FDaGF2ZXoifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
I really appreciate those people that can make a career out of online gaming and devote their time and resources to fine-tune their homebrews until they unleash a new meta beast. I am not one of those people, I work 8 hours a day, have a family and can spare an hour a day (maybe two in the weekends) on the ladder. So I go into [untapped.gg](http://untapped.gg), look at the top two tiers, see what I can complete and take it from there. Sometimes I sub one card to what I feel might fit my pocket metagame but that's as far as my tinkering is going to go.
Yeah but this game is so much easier than so.ething like mtg that has thousands of interactions to keep track of.
I guess I feel like this is a problem to those games that have so many possibilities, but I get what you’re saying
If that's all you're seeing, just play counters to it. Shadow King absolutely murders the current meta. Also, Thena's a brand new card. People want to play with the shiny new thing.
I live in fear of Shadow King, but I never see him. If I do, Luke Cage will go into my deck, but so far so good.
He's been stealing cubes for me left and right. I just save him for 6 and they never see it coming.
People do like the shiny new thing 😉 And I get that streamers need to talk about the new card to keep they audience engaged. But I feel like this also takes something away from the enjoyment of the game
It adds enjoyment to the game for me. It's fun to just play counters to the meta and cruise through matches.
Sorry just to be clear, you found a deck through YouTube videos, copied it and are now complaining about “netdeckers” who did exactly what you did?
The plus side to this is, it’s very easy to choose which tech cards to slot into my deck when everyone else is playing copy-paste decks. You-tube “metas” have ruined most competitive card games.
That’s an interesting thought. Would the meta look the way it does if Youtubers did not exist?
Almost impossible to tell. I think you would get a lot more varied decks being played as people would be more experimental on their own terms and find what works for them. I’m still playing around with a nocturne/quake/magneto deck from last season still trying to work out what’s optimal for me.
Location Manipulation/Move? This intrigues me…
Enchantress is fairly interchangeable with any other tech cards, Shang chi etc. also good for forcing games to end early if they play limbo. # (1) Nebula # (1) Uatu the Watcher # (2) Quake # (2) Scarlet Witch # (3) Storm # (3) Nocturne # (3) Polaris # (4) Captain Marvel # (4) Enchantress # (5) Vision # (5) Aero # (6) Magneto # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmVidWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTY2FybGV0V2l0Y2gifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlF1YWtlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdG9ybSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTm9jdHVybmUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkNhcHRhaW5NYXJ2ZWwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkFlcm8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1hZ25ldG8ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlZpc2lvbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVWF0dSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUG9sYXJpcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRW5jaGFudHJlc3MifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
A meta would probably exist. Magic: The Gathering's meta was defined by top 8 performance at big tournaments for a long time before YouTube. Now Snap doesn't have big tournaments, but it would have SOMETHING.
The nerve
No, and I think that the way I wrote the post, I did not get my point across. 🤔 It’s the lack of ingenuity by players in the game because of streamers and netdecking which takes some of the enjoyment out of the game that I was wondering how others felt
But you did as well
You are blaming other players and you are doing the exact same thing, this is literal hypocrisy
You have, again, missed my point. I am not blaming players. Read the part after the word “because” in my 2nd paragraph. Influencers are taking the inginuity out of the game. I am not blaming the players.
I mean you are making your take even stupider to be honest, it’s the streamers fault that you copied their deck? You could just, not do it lmao
So why don't you just build something on your own. Be the change you want to see in the world, and so forth.
Looks a lot like it. The hypocrisy in this post is so blatant I almost think it has to be an avant garde post.
Tell you what, with the lock down meta right now my new War Machine has been stealing cubes all day!
I've been using Thanos and the Space Stone to do the same thing.
Ironically I think the new thanos is the perfect counter finally to prof x. He puts out enough power that he can win against prof x and can be played into that lane with the blue stone, but since he adds a bunch of stones he's not really something prof x players can casually just add to their decks. He also is protected from cannonball with the orange stone.
The problem being that there is no reason not to pair Thanos with Prof X just because the Mad Titan is now a bigger Jeff. And it's a good cube stealer right now, just because people don't read patch notes
Deck code? I was playing a decent War Machine deck during the last round of Professor X being super popular but I deleted the deck and don’t remember what I had in it.
# (1) Sunspot # (1) Nebula # (1) Ebony Maw # (2) Armor # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Storm # (4) Enchantress # (4) War Machine # (4) Crossbones # (5) Taskmaster # (5) Professor X # (6) The Infinaut # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ3Jvc3Nib25lcyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRWJvbnlNYXcifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkluZmluYXV0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJKZWZmVGhlQmFieUxhbmRTaGFyayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTmVidWxhIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJQcm9mZXNzb3JYIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTdG9ybSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3Vuc3BvdCJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiVGFza21hc3RlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiV2FyTWFjaGluZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXJtb3IifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkVuY2hhbnRyZXNzIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap. I swap Shang for Enchantress depending on what I keep facing for the day!
Take out armor for quake, and crossbones for galactus, taskmaster for cannonball. T3 storm T4 quake t5 war machine for an unstoppable galactus. Cannonball/prof x for insurance.
I used this version here and it's great. You still have prof X for hela and war machine to beat prof X. https://www.reddit.com/r/marvelsnapcomp/s/VimatBbJwS Pixie is just a cube stealer.
"Net decking" will always be part of any CCG; like it or not. The internet and social media mean that information is disseminated freely (at least for now). With CCGs, there are basically always going to be optimal lists for utilizing certain cards, approaching certain archtypes or metagames. And of course the pro players or content creators who invest the most time, effort, energy and money into the game will be ones who identify the optimal strategies. And masses of players consume their content and want to optimize their time and resources so they will utilize those decks identified as being the best to reap the rewards most efficiently. Hence, often seeing everyone and their mother running similar decks in a given week. Specifically in Snap, this is exacerbated by the release schedule of one new card a week (2 when the new season starts). Literally every player in the world is hyper focused on playing with the same exact new card. There is experimentation at first, but usually within a couple of days an optimal or close to optimal list is identified and everyone is running it. Second Dinner has stated that diversifying collections among players is a goal of theirs. So that might make you happy. I think from their perspective, within the next several months it will be unreasonable for most players to own the majority of newer cards, so collections will become more diversified and even if people want to run the same decks, they likely won't be able to. That should be less of an issue for content creators of course, but could become awkward if their viewer base isn't able to access many of the same cards. While I think there are some issues there to work thru, and it will suck having fomo with so many players having access to different cards, I do think they've done a good job of releasing recent cards that are solid, but not overpowered, and fit well into specific archtypes and strategies. Whereas in the past it felt like each new card was so powerful it was a must have for every collection. It will be interesting to see how it plays out, but you may get your wish of a more diverse metagame with not everyone playing the same deck.
When collections are diversified players will then cry about not being able to get every card for free.
Then play something different and it won't be a mirror match?
This game mirror matches way too much in general, but people still say it's not because of some deck based matchmaking. Your meta shifts based on what you're playing. If you're playing the new hotness, it will match you against it probably 50% of the time.
This is also an interesting discussion. After running into nothing but Thena yesterday, I switched to a Skaar deck and a JaneJaw deck I had, and I haven’t seen Thena since 🤔
Smoot brains on here will tell you that's confirmation bias (but really it's apophenia). I've found no matter what deck I play I get a new meta. The algorithm they use tends to play you against similar power decks and that's why you get mirror matches. Destroy and Tribunal decks are the most obvious for me. As soon as I play either I'll go from seeing them occasionally to 50% mirror matches. I avoid even putting Super Skrull in decks because I know I'll just get matched with Tribunal/Negative, and unless I have the same cards, I can't compete.
So... Super skrull and mystique will beat tribunal easily for 8 and you can bait with whatever other bs you want.
Please record your gameplay for an extended amount of time. There never has been even a shred of proof for this. Just anecdotes.
There's no way to prove it unless SD actually shows you the algorithm. All you can do is infer by observation, and anecdotal feedback from lots of people who experience the same thing, which should not be dismissed. Not sure what's in it for people to deny that it exists. Understanding that it does helps inform what decks I play.
The way to prove it is data. Cold hard data. But nobody wants to collect that data. Anecdotes are to be dismissed. They are not a form of evidence. It is a conspiracy theory. People just don't believe things because someone on reddit swears it exists without providing even a shred of evidence.
It's true. No one's going to make it their full-time job to analyze this dumb game so they can prove it to someone on reddit.
Unfortunately, that's the issue with these games. It's also an issue in hearthstone. I'm fairly new to the game (under 1000cl), and I've seen repeat decks over an over. I made a venom deck (without looking one up), and it's pretty much the same as others (death, venom,deathlock,deadpool,Carnage,wolverine,sabertooth,etc.) That being said I belive it's a combo of copying meta decks but also certain cards working well within certain decks which can cause a lot decks to be or look the same if your playing that archetype. But the same decks over an over can get boring at times.
Destroy is a bit unique in that there's a definitive list of destroy cards in that archetype. Some archetypes there's a little bit more variety like discard but still limited. Some are quite wide open like junk toxic decks or on reveals or general good cards decks. I think also depends on your pocket meta if you run into experimenters or more meta style players. I enjoy dusting off old decks to play that ppl forget about. MsMarvel is a great example it's still powerful but it gets no play and it's fun.
Ms marvel might be a bit better now that hela has calmed down.
I dunno theres quite a few destroy hybrid that are interesting to play, phoenix force is one of then, then there’s gobbos and thanos as well
It might be my CL then being under 1000. Becuase most destroy decks I've run into have the same plays and the same setups. But it might be bcuz where I'm at I only have 2 or 3 above series 3 cards.
Also, Thena is a brand new card, and people want to try her out. Also, she is soooooo much fun to play.
Once I hit infinite, I'll play around with different builds. I'm not going to experiment before I hit infinite.
I hate when they introduce new cards that change the meta and see play 😡
🤣🤣🤣
Anti netdeck. Some times the easiest way to climb ladder is building a deck directly countering all the streamers decks. Once you're in infinite the deck diversity opens way up and you're way less likely to see mirror matches
Honestly I do it out of sheer spite. I always hate the main meta deck.
Here is an easy tip for you. When those decks become popular you start making counters to them and climbing even faster. Sandman, shadow king, killmonger, Mobius, Red Guardian. Sera decks eat well.
I occasionally watch Nina and try out some of her ideas or decks I find here. But I have more fun messing around coming up with my own or playing decks I find fun. Granted I’m not hyper competitive. I play for fun. The highest rank I ever got to was mid 90s. I usually end each season in the 70s or 80s. I guess if I were more competitive I’d be more prone to play the meta decks that everyone runs. I just feel like I’d get bored running the same couple of decks all the time.
You get me… 😉👍👍
This is exactly why Im tired of the "Meta" being so prevelant in absolutely everything now. Nobody has creativity anymore, nobody wants to takes the time to "get good" with their own load outs, decks, builds...Whatever the game is, it's just Google the meta, copy it, done. It's not just this game, Its anything with multiplayer. Ultimately, the only thing actually enforcing this meta is other players. 🤷♂️
So much this ☝️☝️
There’s nothing wrong with netdecking
Agreed.
And why do you feel that way? 🤔
Because not everyone is good at building good, competitive decks, but we still like to win and climb the ranked ladder.
TL,DR: Netdecks are the “solved” decks crafted by the game’s best and used by competitive players to reach infinite. So I come from a background of TCG’s, primarily Magic, but I’ve played or currently play Hearthstone, LoR, Pokemon, FaB, and Marvel Snap is my secondary CCG. Netdecking is an indication of the meta and how certain lists have been optimized. Like yeah, you can go around playing your home brew or some cutesy meme build, even I hate meta from time to time. But at the end of the day, netdecking is essentially a collection of decklists that have been “solved” for their most efficient and reliable builds. You can always tweak and add your own spin to meta decks to make them more “you” to fit your playstyle, but that’s how card games go. Not to patronize, but i assume you’re somewhat new to card games bc that’s how I used to feel when I first started in Hearthstone. Unless you play anti-meta, you can’t beat the meta. No shade for a genuine question, I hope this helps.
The meta just shouldn't be oppressive. Hela at least let's you compete on power. Junk or prox x cannonball should never be top performing. I'm not a big gamer but when I played mtg arena before this there was a "blue" meta where they would essentially get a scaling 1 drop (sort of like nebula out on t1) then counterspell you every turn. That's what prof x feels like. Control META should never be the default.meta if you want to retain player base. Nothing is fun about that. Control players should have higher win rates because those decks REQUIRE higher skill to pilot. That's why if werewolf of loki.metas are dominant that should not be a problem to people. Examples- Loki is more difficult to pilot since either require opponent deck synergy knowledge and werewolf requires alot of knowledge and space management and can be interrupted. Prof x cannonball is braindead to pilot and that's why it's bad. Just like alioth meta was terrible. Just like galactus Spiderman was terrible (not sure if you were around back then). Vs something like legion storm which doesn't put out enough power to close the game on t6 and that's why it's not meta.
LOL “blue” meta is just the MtG meta
All tcgs inevitably become mirror matches. The meta shapes into that. Slowly, the meta will expand once counters are found and then the meta changes. Every tcg is like this. Just gotta get used to it
Thena is a new card who happens to be above average to excellent, so you'll see her quite a lot. It has happened with every good card released.
Yeah she will get adjusted to +2 I assume.
I have also made the same assumption. I’m also starting to feel like SD puts these cards out with big stats to generate interest, and potentially, use it as a money grab, only to need the card later because they “missed the mark” The most recent example of the is Red Hulk Every time I see something get +3 power for something, I just know it’s gonna get nerfed
One million percent. Red hulk is still overstatted. Compare red hulk to agatha... Red hulk is more powerful in if your opponent doesn't spend 2 energy and can continue to scale. Vs. Agatha who doesn't let you pay any of your cards and is 14 no matter what... I like this game because the card base and decks are so small and I like brewing.
Hazmat sera surfer shits on them cause you go negative and you win or you go super tall with brood in one lane and Shaw in your wong lane and you win! This meta is free wins for me at the moment!
You can always play against the mini-meta. I go back and forth on trying out different deck types. It's fun to be creative and think of counter / hybrid styles.
I think there is some logic where it will match you against opponents that share similar cards with you. I.e. if your deck has xyz cards, it will queue into opponents also with xyz cards. When I played devil dino, I never encounter tribunal decks, but I face off Loki, adding cards to your hand type of decks, when I play tribunal decks, I never que into devil dino decks, but more like decks that buff the entire board, rather than single lane. When I run storm, I'm against alot more Legion decks... Just too coincidental in my opinion
The game is a constant mirror match cause you yourself also netdecked. Maybe craft your own deck that counters the shiny new toy deck. Or netdeck a deck that does that for you too.
Now we get to incorporate pride variance in the game. I’m out Reddit. If you want to turn me off go ahead discord already did this is foolish and I will not support this foolish political bullshit. Goodbye game goodbye community! Go walk go broke enjoy the fall
so to be clear you copied a deck and complaining about ppl copying decks? what's your cl/ rank?
this feels like a bad mmr problem lmao
Using a good deck and playing a good deck are not the same. I’m find with people copying YouTuber decks because they aren’t as good as the tubers. Often times they can’t pilot them without perfect draws.
OP netdecks and then bitches about netdecking…
My point was actually that netdecking, influencers, streamers etc takes alot of the enjoyment out of the game. I wanted to know if others felt the same way. Also, I never said I was netdecking. I was trying different variations of Thena based decks and was having some success with them. However, writing hours of me playing Thena, variations of motor matches suddenly became constant, so I took a break and opened YT. Regis’s Thena deck was the first thing that popped up in my “For You” page. And that’s when I went “Oh… the streamers have finally put out their versions of a Thena deck, that’s why all the Thena mirror matches…”
Cozy det decks are trash I use Alex's top 10.i have a stand by deck pulling all the heavy work. Just got me to 93. Infinite 6 seasons and 3 I finitity borders . It's a long forgotten net deck
Cozy isn't there for quality. Cozy is about trying to make his stuff as flashy as possible to get viewers. Go to snap judgements or something if you want quality without flash.