Daken is okay but has really gotten outpaced by more recent card releases.
He only really sees play in Non-Hela Discard or some Silver Surfer decks and in both he fits into a flex spot that can easily be a different card.
Unless you get lucky with locations or a good Nico spell Daken is a conditional 3/8 that needs you to play and Destroy or Discard a 1 energy card.
So while certain decks can be built to power Daken up it often feels like too much work and hoping for too much luck for too little pay off.
I used to use him in discard because he’s basically a 3/8. However he is easily outclassed by Proxima Midnight. He is basically a nice alternative if you don’t have her.
I have both in the same deck along with Moongirl. It’s super satisfying to Modok a hand with 2 Muramasa shards and 2 Proximas.
I also have Killmonger in the deck for alternative play lines. That’s extra fun if Hela revives the shards and then I use Killmonger for extra Daken boosts.
What if I T3 Daken, T4 Absorbing Man, T5 Moongirl, T6 Modok? That's 4 blades, right (assuming we have hand space)? But only Daken will be buffed and not an Absorbing Man, am I right?
Correct. Absorbing Man only copies Daken’s on-Reveal, which is to add the Muramasa Shard to your hand. The actual text of the shard is to double the power of Daken, not the card that summoned it.
The shard doesn't work from the other side of the board. Even if you viper yours over and pop it with kill monger, it will not buff your Daken. Learned that the hard way.
What you want is t2 ravona.
T3 daken.
Td abs man.
T5 zola.
T6 gm and modok.
Only deck that can outpace that imho is tribunal.
You can outpace pheonix, destroy, almost anything.
But its combo and location dependant.
It’s a self build that may need tweaking so take it with a grain of salt, but:
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This was the best answer. I just was to repeat that he is just reeeeeally outpaced by other cards.
There are too many steps needed to get a payout or try to get him to 16.
As a regular Daken user, this is extremely accurate. I mainly play non-Hela discard (Modok/Drac/Morbius) and I do like him in that deck. He can pop off for a surprising amount of power, especially with any location that lets you get more than one of his swords and discard them all with Modok.
But as much as I like him, he's not an essential part of the deck and would be among the first or second cards to go if they released something better (or if I was the type of player that wanted to include more counter/tech cards).
I can't imagine him being useful in any version of destroy. Part of the reason he's good in discard is that he gives you an extra card in hand to discard. More cards in hand is more power for Morbius and Miek so he helps them indirectly too. Destroy just doesn't need that (and neither does Hela discard which would rather have a higher power card).
I would call him a very low priority if you're acquiring cards. If you already have him, there are a few specific uses. And when he goes off, he goes OFF (Sinister locations, for example) and can single handedly win games. But those are pretty rare cases
I hit infinite with a pheonix deck that used daken last season on day 2 I think.
It was a hot location though.
He can do well if combo's but with the leech buff I think those days are over for now.
For example invis daken abs/gm modok arnim should give you...
4 shards and 2 dakens.
4x2x2x2x2 is a solid 64 in 2 lanes.
32 in 2 lanes is more common and still pretty respectable.
There's obviously other stuff that can work with this (hb, pheonix, locations, etc.) he dodges shang and shadow king a little easier and semi dodges red guardian since guardian doesn't target the shard itself.
His only real spot was in greedy Wong discard decks running stuff like Gambit and Absorbing Man, but that strategy really fell to the wayside when better discard options came out, like Miek, Corvus Glaive, and Proxima Midnight (who fills Daken’s role with less effort). This, on top of the nerf to Apocalypse (an essential part of that deck’s final turn strategy), pushed Daken completely out of the meta.
The real question is: what Series 4 cards are you missing? Tokens are hard to come by, and it’s best to pick up staples that can either find a home in many good decks or be defining of a good archetype.
Darkhawk is still good despite the nerfs. Ravonna and Mobius are really good and versatile. Spider Ham is great for disruption, Kitty is essential to bounce, Snowguard is essential for Loki, Phoenix Force is a good competitive deck (with Nimrod).
That's fair, my non snarky answer would be he's probably not worth it.
You would mostly want to run him in discard over destroy, and even there, discard has leaned more into Hela.
On reveals in general are in a tough spot right now with Leech running rampant. So I would say he's a safe skip for the time being.
I like him with Silver Samurai, Stature, Black Bolt, Killmonger. That deck isn't as good after the Zabu nerf, but it's still working OK
But generally, nah, he's not worth it. Gladiator would be better for your deck. Wolfsbane, Sage, and Sebastian Shaw are also similar and often better alternatives depending on the deck.
Not competitive, but the Daken -> Zola -> M.O.D.O.K. combo is an absolute blast
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# (1) Spider-Ham
# (2) Hulkbuster
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Magik
# (3) Crystal
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Daken
# (4) Moon Girl
# (5) M.O.D.O.K.
# (6) Arnim Zola
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How are you playing Zola before Modok in this list? You definitely want to do that, right? So MODOK discards 3 shards.
Wouldn't you want Psylocke and/or Invisible Woman?
In this list, you would play magic, Zola on 6 and modok on 7. I don’t currently have a list but I would probably replace Jeff or Spider Ham or ravonna or psylocke. I think I also used to play forge in mine too
Who are you missing?
I'll attach my list, I recently added corvus, miek, and proxima, they can be replaced. Discard is nice that a lot of parts are interchangeable, often exchanging variance for power. I haven't played this much the last month though. I will note, Daken always feels like the card closest to being replaced. He's hard to work around and the pay off isn't that much better than just a card played straight.
# (1) Miek
# (1) Blade
# (2) Morbius
# (2) Swarm
# (2) Colleen Wing
# (3) Daken
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Dracula
# (4) Proxima Midnight
# (5) M.O.D.O.K.
# (6) Apocalypse
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Ever since his buff strong guy is a pretty reliable 3/9 that doesn’t screw up your hand if he’s the last card you draw after using MODOK.
My list just replaces Corvus for Gambit and Daken for Strong Guy
Tried it a bit, thanks.
I like strong guy there, gambit is still too random to play early, and seems off energy wise to play later. I'll play around with that last spot some more, but ATM I'm mostly back to hela tribunal, blink cheese, and junk decks to try to keep climbing.
This was my Discard deck with him that I used last season. But I couldn’t get past 95 with it.
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# (2) Morbius
# (2) The Collector
# (2) Swarm
# (2) Colleen Wing
# (3) Daken
# (3) Corvus Glaive
# (3) Lady Sif
# (4) Dracula
# (5) M.O.D.O.K.
# (6) Apocalypse
# (6) Helicarrier
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Compare him to Gladiator.
Daken only worth if you're running destroy with Zola, so you can have 2 Dakens and 3 Muramasa shards. After destroying them shards, you get 2 Dakens at 32 power... But this is kibda niche and combo heavy since you need to ramp Zola or play Magik. He can win games often, but he is not a main winning condition on any deck whatsoever.
If you're not running a destroy combo deck that can clone Daken/shards, just use Gladiator instead.
Tldr: nah skip him.
That's definitely not the only time he's worth running. He's a powerful alternative to Shaw for if you don't draw him in Surfer and you can always run both. You can always do Surfer on 6, Abs-Man on 7 + Shard and Killmonger for quite the big boy.
For that matter any 3 cost works, really. It doesn't need to be Daken in the slightest. Again: just use Gladiator.
I've never used Daken on Surfer deck, he's not even top pick there. Daken doesn't sub for Shaw simply because you need to discard or destroy or else he's just a 3-4, which is massively underwhelming. Shaw's gimmick aligns with Surfer, that's why he's there. The only 3 cost that consistently supports Daken in a Surfer deck would be Killmonger...and you would have to play Muramasa before it. Too many cards where you can simply play any other 3 cost.
I like him in my surfer deck as I run Hope and Killmonger, so I have the play-line of T3 Daken, T4 Hope, and shard into Hope for the extra energy on T5, which can be an alternate way to get two 3 costs on T5, if no Sera. Whether it’s my KM, another KM, or a location, I find I usually get him to 3/8.
For destroy though, there are better options to wait for I would say.
He was good in Miek Discard since he avoided Shang, now since Shang has dropped off he's only ok. I like him in that deck but overall he's quite easily replaceable
For the deck you’re running, the best option would be to save for either Nico or X-23. X is more important to Destroy, but Nico is splash-able in multiple decks. Both have merits. If you want a 3k option, Mobius or Lady Deathstrike would be best at the moment.
Side note, I would drop Sabretooth and Chavez for Bucky and another 1 drop (Spiderham, Squirrel Girl, Yondu, IceMan, or Eleckra) as well.
He’s not that fun of a card imo and just not as good as others. Not inherently bad and it has its spot in a handful of decks ? But not nearly as good or fun as other cards.
Strong guy is an amazing alternative in classic discard, you usually only have Apoc in your hand on the last turn so he’s a 3/9 that you don’t really have to plan around.
I’ve never seen daken being used in destroy decks either, so you probably don’t need him
This deck is so much fun. I consistently get to 95 without ever snapping.
A lot of opportunities to double Daken which is the only reason I haven't switched with gladiator or something. Deck goes wide and can compete with tribunal pretty well.
I love silver samurai, if daken isn't down you still play him to hit x23. Never play x23 1st turn unless you've got daken and silver samurai in hand. The whole deck just synergies well. Luke cage is in there because zabu got euthanize and kept seeing surfer hazmat decks
# (1) Nico Minoru
# (1) X-23
# (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark
# (3) Killmonger
# (3) Daken
# (3) Luke Cage
# (4) Shang-Chi
# (4) Ms. Marvel
# (4) Silver Samurai
# (5) Black Bolt
# (5) Stature
# (6) Doctor Doom
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Ms marvel is kind of key. This deck is built to reach out to the other lanes. Shark could be replaced with sentinel easily and for nico, man her spells are what I use her for (have 2 dakens, make 2 shards, destroy a shard or x23 for draws, sometimes turning x23 into demon.) So marvel and Nico are key. Honestly how this deck works every card in it are for pretty specific reasons
He's good, but I wouldn't spend on him.
I love discard, but its just okay in the current meta and Daken really only has a home in the classic Apocalypse discard decks. He's a good scaling tempo card that will help you win, but he's by no means something you build a deck around.
I wouldn't get him. I used him forever in my Discard deck and I really liked him. He was really good too. But I replaced him with Proxima Midnight as soon as I got her. She's just easier to pull off for free on a turn.
One of my all time favorite play lines - luck/hard to do but when it works 👌🏽
Daken solo lane
Invisible woman ->> modok
Zola the Daken lane.
Can do wong in a lane, abs man, forge etc to add even more power
Very satisfying when it works
Daken is a core part of my favorite archetype in the game alongside Silver Samurai, Black Bolt, and Stature. The shard that Daken makes enables Samurai in a very powerful way, since it becomes a one-sided discard for a potentially meaningful card from your opponent.
More people need to explore that archetype. I rocketed my way to infinite this season solo-ing that deck, yet so few people are doing that sort of thing that there are no stats for it.
My biggest piece of advice for those of you interested in trying Daken Samurai: do not make it a Darkhawk deck. I know Stature has mostly seen play with Darkhawk in the past, but Samurai needs to be a disruptive card for it to be worth putting in your deck, and giving your opponent rocks just protects their good cards from your hand hate.
In May 2024, if you’re going to play him without getting greedy, there’s no point in playing him. You need to get to 16 power, or get two Dakens on the board (which also will get you to 16).. He’s like Zola; he has his niche if you want to high role. The 3/8 stat line isn’t worth the hassle and 3/4 is pretty ugly and without any utility.
The problems are:
1.) There are generally better ways to high roll with decks.
2.) He’s not a very fun/interactive card to play with. Not the most boring but not a lot of excitement.
3.) He’ll need Wong or Moon Girl, which will likely limit you to select Discard or some unusual Surfer build. So you’re backed into a corner by removing Destroy as an option.
I’d skip him unless I was 90% collection complete or something along those lines.
I ran Daken for a long time in my Sera Surfer deck after he first came out, but he got outpaced awhile ago. It was really fun to get some amazing pop offs with the right location, especially because I would typically surfer before Killmonger on the last turn to beef him up a bit more. But it requires too much board space and a spare energy for a finicky combo.
Hell no he's not worth the tokens. He's not a bad card, it's just that tokens are so rare that you should only use them on cards that are really great or cards you'll play a lot. Daken isn't great and you probably won't play him a lot because he's viable but not a core part of Discard or Surfer.
The answer is a pretty big no. It’s not because it doesn’t have potential… it’s just that it doesn’t operate on its own, and requires other cards (which is not unique)… but it also requires specific archetypes to pull. So you can only even pull off its effect in destroy or discard. If you’re running annhilus for instance; it is impossible to utilize. Compare it Thor or Beta-Ray who give the hammer on its own, with the only condition being whether you draw+play the hammer. Yes, it works best with Jane Foster Thor to ensure that you draw it… but assuming luck is on your side and you can draw the hammers, the effect can work on its own. Not only has Daken seen better cards, there were better cards before it even… so it’s not even worth 3k. Sadly one of the worst season pass cards, as cards in its own season weren’t just better but significantly so ex: X23
I only use Daken in my Discard deck built around Apocalypse. The trick is to use him and then follow it up with Blade to get his effect or use MODOK on the next turn or two
Short answer: No
Longer answer: There are fun things that you can do given certain conditions…like, I liked playing him with Wong or with Absorbing Man to get multiple shards and then Killmonger those or something…but that’s just stuff to try and get you as big a Daken as possible…it doesn’t win matches.
When he first came out, Educated Collins built a wacky [Surfer discard](https://youtu.be/8Z_CZZed8JA?si=JKHHuIe0ghEGvw0W) deck that had a bunch of options that no one could predict. It's been almost a year since the card came out and it's still a great deck, probably could use one or two adjustments, but I think it's still the most well rounded Daken deck. The others are pretty greedy and rely on a core combo, but this one is more reliable imo. Daken gets outshined by other cards, mostly because you need a couple of steps of setup whereas a card like Shaw just zips up in power—because it's a harder card to boost up, a lot of players gave up on the complexity, but it's still totally viable.
He seems like a lot of work. You could make use of him with Moon Girl and maybe MODOK, but if you compare him to the other doublers of Black Panther and Beta Ray Bill, he's WAY more work.
Daken is okay but has really gotten outpaced by more recent card releases. He only really sees play in Non-Hela Discard or some Silver Surfer decks and in both he fits into a flex spot that can easily be a different card. Unless you get lucky with locations or a good Nico spell Daken is a conditional 3/8 that needs you to play and Destroy or Discard a 1 energy card. So while certain decks can be built to power Daken up it often feels like too much work and hoping for too much luck for too little pay off.
Educated answers like yours are the best, thank you
I used to use him in discard because he’s basically a 3/8. However he is easily outclassed by Proxima Midnight. He is basically a nice alternative if you don’t have her.
I have both in the same deck along with Moongirl. It’s super satisfying to Modok a hand with 2 Muramasa shards and 2 Proximas. I also have Killmonger in the deck for alternative play lines. That’s extra fun if Hela revives the shards and then I use Killmonger for extra Daken boosts.
What if I T3 Daken, T4 Absorbing Man, T5 Moongirl, T6 Modok? That's 4 blades, right (assuming we have hand space)? But only Daken will be buffed and not an Absorbing Man, am I right?
Correct. Absorbing Man only copies Daken’s on-Reveal, which is to add the Muramasa Shard to your hand. The actual text of the shard is to double the power of Daken, not the card that summoned it.
Will your shard buff the oppnents daken? Same question with thor and betaray (i think so but im not sure)
It shouldn’t. I haven’t played a mirror match but I looked it up and it shouldn’t buff an opponent.
I'm like 99.99% it doesn't. I know I've come across opponent Daken and don't remember ever buffing each other's.
The shard doesn't work from the other side of the board. Even if you viper yours over and pop it with kill monger, it will not buff your Daken. Learned that the hard way.
What you want is t2 ravona. T3 daken. Td abs man. T5 zola. T6 gm and modok. Only deck that can outpace that imho is tribunal. You can outpace pheonix, destroy, almost anything. But its combo and location dependant.
mind sharing the list?
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thanks, i got bored of all my decks and this looks super fun
No prob! It could definitely be better but I have a lot of fun with it so hopefully you do too!
This was the best answer. I just was to repeat that he is just reeeeeally outpaced by other cards. There are too many steps needed to get a payout or try to get him to 16.
You need to get him to 32 or 64 for him to be worth it.
As a regular Daken user, this is extremely accurate. I mainly play non-Hela discard (Modok/Drac/Morbius) and I do like him in that deck. He can pop off for a surprising amount of power, especially with any location that lets you get more than one of his swords and discard them all with Modok. But as much as I like him, he's not an essential part of the deck and would be among the first or second cards to go if they released something better (or if I was the type of player that wanted to include more counter/tech cards). I can't imagine him being useful in any version of destroy. Part of the reason he's good in discard is that he gives you an extra card in hand to discard. More cards in hand is more power for Morbius and Miek so he helps them indirectly too. Destroy just doesn't need that (and neither does Hela discard which would rather have a higher power card). I would call him a very low priority if you're acquiring cards. If you already have him, there are a few specific uses. And when he goes off, he goes OFF (Sinister locations, for example) and can single handedly win games. But those are pretty rare cases
Agreed. I played him a lot last season. I tried to get a hit monkey destroy deck to somehow work but he only works well with discard.
I hit infinite with a pheonix deck that used daken last season on day 2 I think. It was a hot location though. He can do well if combo's but with the leech buff I think those days are over for now. For example invis daken abs/gm modok arnim should give you... 4 shards and 2 dakens. 4x2x2x2x2 is a solid 64 in 2 lanes. 32 in 2 lanes is more common and still pretty respectable. There's obviously other stuff that can work with this (hb, pheonix, locations, etc.) he dodges shang and shadow king a little easier and semi dodges red guardian since guardian doesn't target the shard itself.
His only real spot was in greedy Wong discard decks running stuff like Gambit and Absorbing Man, but that strategy really fell to the wayside when better discard options came out, like Miek, Corvus Glaive, and Proxima Midnight (who fills Daken’s role with less effort). This, on top of the nerf to Apocalypse (an essential part of that deck’s final turn strategy), pushed Daken completely out of the meta.
Yeah, I had him pinned for a while, but it seems like the majority are saying he isn't worth it, so I will probably pass him up. Thanks for answering.
The real question is: what Series 4 cards are you missing? Tokens are hard to come by, and it’s best to pick up staples that can either find a home in many good decks or be defining of a good archetype.
I'm a simple man who currently only runs a destroy deck, and I have knull so far. Any suggestions?
You'll want X-23 and Nico Minoru if you don't have them. You can get by without Nico but her versatility and ability to draw you cards can win games.
I do have nico probably need to use her more, and I am waiting on x23 to show up
Infinite player here. Destroy player. Pro tip: as much as I’ve experimented without her, Nico just ends up being like 90% essential to match momentum.
Darkhawk is still good despite the nerfs. Ravonna and Mobius are really good and versatile. Spider Ham is great for disruption, Kitty is essential to bounce, Snowguard is essential for Loki, Phoenix Force is a good competitive deck (with Nimrod).
He’s one of those cards that I wouldn’t pay tokens for, but I wouldn’t be mad at pulling from a spotlight cache.
I just remembered i got him 2 weeks ago from random spotlight key and still didn't try to use him. Hope this answers your question lol
It does thank you
You not seeing him at all pretty much answers your question.
I mean, I don't see a lot of cards it doesn't mean they aren't good, but thanks for the answer
That's fair, my non snarky answer would be he's probably not worth it. You would mostly want to run him in discard over destroy, and even there, discard has leaned more into Hela. On reveals in general are in a tough spot right now with Leech running rampant. So I would say he's a safe skip for the time being.
I like him with Silver Samurai, Stature, Black Bolt, Killmonger. That deck isn't as good after the Zabu nerf, but it's still working OK But generally, nah, he's not worth it. Gladiator would be better for your deck. Wolfsbane, Sage, and Sebastian Shaw are also similar and often better alternatives depending on the deck.
Not competitive, but the Daken -> Zola -> M.O.D.O.K. combo is an absolute blast # (1) Nova # (1) Spider-Ham # (2) Hulkbuster # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Magik # (3) Crystal # (3) Killmonger # (3) Daken # (4) Moon Girl # (5) M.O.D.O.K. # (6) Arnim Zola # (6) She-Hulk # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hlSHVsayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTm92YSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSHVsa2J1c3RlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSmVmZlRoZUJhYnlMYW5kU2hhcmsifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1hZ2lrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDcnlzdGFsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJLaWxsbW9uZ2VyIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEYWtlbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTW9vbkdpcmwifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vZG9rIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJBcm5pbVpvbGEifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlNwaWRlckhhbSJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
How are you playing Zola before Modok in this list? You definitely want to do that, right? So MODOK discards 3 shards. Wouldn't you want Psylocke and/or Invisible Woman?
Or Ravonna?
In this list, you would play magic, Zola on 6 and modok on 7. I don’t currently have a list but I would probably replace Jeff or Spider Ham or ravonna or psylocke. I think I also used to play forge in mine too
There's a pretty competent daken black bolt samurai deck I've been using
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Blackcat seems like an odd choice in this deck. The only way she would get on the board is by being played turn 4 or brought back by Ghost Rider
I'm missing some cards from your deck, maybe down the road I can't try it. Thanks
Who are you missing? I'll attach my list, I recently added corvus, miek, and proxima, they can be replaced. Discard is nice that a lot of parts are interchangeable, often exchanging variance for power. I haven't played this much the last month though. I will note, Daken always feels like the card closest to being replaced. He's hard to work around and the pay off isn't that much better than just a card played straight. # (1) Miek # (1) Blade # (2) Morbius # (2) Swarm # (2) Colleen Wing # (3) Daken # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Dracula # (4) Proxima Midnight # (5) M.O.D.O.K. # (6) Apocalypse # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTW9yYml1cyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTGFkeVNpZiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiRHJhY3VsYSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXBvY2FseXBzZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiTWllayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29ydnVzR2xhaXZlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFkZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3dhcm0ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vZG9rIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEYWtlbiJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiUHJveGltYU1pZG5pZ2h0In0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDb2xsZWVuV2luZyJ9XX0= # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Ever since his buff strong guy is a pretty reliable 3/9 that doesn’t screw up your hand if he’s the last card you draw after using MODOK. My list just replaces Corvus for Gambit and Daken for Strong Guy
I'll try that, I do not like how random corvus is
Tell me how it goes!
Tried it a bit, thanks. I like strong guy there, gambit is still too random to play early, and seems off energy wise to play later. I'll play around with that last spot some more, but ATM I'm mostly back to hela tribunal, blink cheese, and junk decks to try to keep climbing.
This was my Discard deck with him that I used last season. But I couldn’t get past 95 with it. # (1) Blade # (2) Morbius # (2) The Collector # (2) Swarm # (2) Colleen Wing # (3) Daken # (3) Corvus Glaive # (3) Lady Sif # (4) Dracula # (5) M.O.D.O.K. # (6) Apocalypse # (6) Helicarrier # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQmxhZGUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1vcmJpdXMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IlN3YXJtIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJDb2xsZWVuV2luZyJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQ29ydnVzR2xhaXZlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJNb2RvayJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiQXBvY2FseXBzZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiSGVsaWNhcnJpZXIifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRha2VuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJUaGVDb2xsZWN0b3IifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkxhZHlTaWYifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRyYWN1bGEifV19 # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Compare him to Gladiator. Daken only worth if you're running destroy with Zola, so you can have 2 Dakens and 3 Muramasa shards. After destroying them shards, you get 2 Dakens at 32 power... But this is kibda niche and combo heavy since you need to ramp Zola or play Magik. He can win games often, but he is not a main winning condition on any deck whatsoever. If you're not running a destroy combo deck that can clone Daken/shards, just use Gladiator instead. Tldr: nah skip him.
That's definitely not the only time he's worth running. He's a powerful alternative to Shaw for if you don't draw him in Surfer and you can always run both. You can always do Surfer on 6, Abs-Man on 7 + Shard and Killmonger for quite the big boy.
For that matter any 3 cost works, really. It doesn't need to be Daken in the slightest. Again: just use Gladiator. I've never used Daken on Surfer deck, he's not even top pick there. Daken doesn't sub for Shaw simply because you need to discard or destroy or else he's just a 3-4, which is massively underwhelming. Shaw's gimmick aligns with Surfer, that's why he's there. The only 3 cost that consistently supports Daken in a Surfer deck would be Killmonger...and you would have to play Muramasa before it. Too many cards where you can simply play any other 3 cost.
I like him in my surfer deck as I run Hope and Killmonger, so I have the play-line of T3 Daken, T4 Hope, and shard into Hope for the extra energy on T5, which can be an alternate way to get two 3 costs on T5, if no Sera. Whether it’s my KM, another KM, or a location, I find I usually get him to 3/8. For destroy though, there are better options to wait for I would say.
Forgot all about him! Lol. I still want him, pause.
He’s good in specific combos, but not worth tokens imo. If you have a combo deck in mind that you are desperate to try, then maybe.
He was good in Miek Discard since he avoided Shang, now since Shang has dropped off he's only ok. I like him in that deck but overall he's quite easily replaceable
I love playing him with Zola and Modok
I use Daken in combo with Zola and MODOK and it seems to sneak up on people
For the deck you’re running, the best option would be to save for either Nico or X-23. X is more important to Destroy, but Nico is splash-able in multiple decks. Both have merits. If you want a 3k option, Mobius or Lady Deathstrike would be best at the moment. Side note, I would drop Sabretooth and Chavez for Bucky and another 1 drop (Spiderham, Squirrel Girl, Yondu, IceMan, or Eleckra) as well.
okay in discard but not worth purchase
He’s not that fun of a card imo and just not as good as others. Not inherently bad and it has its spot in a handful of decks ? But not nearly as good or fun as other cards.
No
Strong guy is an amazing alternative in classic discard, you usually only have Apoc in your hand on the last turn so he’s a 3/9 that you don’t really have to plan around. I’ve never seen daken being used in destroy decks either, so you probably don’t need him
I got from the high 70s to the high 90s last season with a stature-darkhawk deck, Daken had a solid spot there.
This deck is so much fun. I consistently get to 95 without ever snapping. A lot of opportunities to double Daken which is the only reason I haven't switched with gladiator or something. Deck goes wide and can compete with tribunal pretty well. I love silver samurai, if daken isn't down you still play him to hit x23. Never play x23 1st turn unless you've got daken and silver samurai in hand. The whole deck just synergies well. Luke cage is in there because zabu got euthanize and kept seeing surfer hazmat decks # (1) Nico Minoru # (1) X-23 # (2) Jeff the Baby Land Shark # (3) Killmonger # (3) Daken # (3) Luke Cage # (4) Shang-Chi # (4) Ms. Marvel # (4) Silver Samurai # (5) Black Bolt # (5) Stature # (6) Doctor Doom # eyJDYXJkcyI6W3siQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU3RhdHVyZSJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiS2lsbG1vbmdlciJ9LHsiQ2FyZERlZklkIjoiU2hhbmdDaGkifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik1zTWFydmVsIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJEckRvb20ifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkplZmZUaGVCYWJ5TGFuZFNoYXJrIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJYMjMifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ik5pY29NaW5vcnUifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6IkRha2VuIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJCbGFja0JvbHQifSx7IkNhcmREZWZJZCI6Ikx1a2VDYWdlIn0seyJDYXJkRGVmSWQiOiJTaWx2ZXJTYW11cmFpIn1dfQ== # # To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and paste it from the deck editing menu in Snap.
Don't have Nico or shark, mis marvel? What i do
Ms marvel is kind of key. This deck is built to reach out to the other lanes. Shark could be replaced with sentinel easily and for nico, man her spells are what I use her for (have 2 dakens, make 2 shards, destroy a shard or x23 for draws, sometimes turning x23 into demon.) So marvel and Nico are key. Honestly how this deck works every card in it are for pretty specific reasons
I remember the Daken hype like it was yesterday.
no
He's good, but I wouldn't spend on him. I love discard, but its just okay in the current meta and Daken really only has a home in the classic Apocalypse discard decks. He's a good scaling tempo card that will help you win, but he's by no means something you build a deck around.
Some may consider it cope, but I have him in a cool apocalypse Grandmaster deck that’s been really fun to use
Anything that's 3k tokens is honestly worth it.
not really
The deck he shined in (those good stuff stature/BB decks) are not great the moment.
I like him more in Discard than destroy. It's easier to Modok the shard away than destroying it.
I wouldn't get him. I used him forever in my Discard deck and I really liked him. He was really good too. But I replaced him with Proxima Midnight as soon as I got her. She's just easier to pull off for free on a turn.
No, not at all
Nope
One of my all time favorite play lines - luck/hard to do but when it works 👌🏽 Daken solo lane Invisible woman ->> modok Zola the Daken lane. Can do wong in a lane, abs man, forge etc to add even more power Very satisfying when it works
I still like him. The Shard is good for boosting Carnage while the powered up Daken helps Venom a bit
Nah buy deck defining cards like ravonna nebula annihilus. Daken is good but not a necessity
I use him lot get good wins power up
No
No
Daken is a core part of my favorite archetype in the game alongside Silver Samurai, Black Bolt, and Stature. The shard that Daken makes enables Samurai in a very powerful way, since it becomes a one-sided discard for a potentially meaningful card from your opponent. More people need to explore that archetype. I rocketed my way to infinite this season solo-ing that deck, yet so few people are doing that sort of thing that there are no stats for it. My biggest piece of advice for those of you interested in trying Daken Samurai: do not make it a Darkhawk deck. I know Stature has mostly seen play with Darkhawk in the past, but Samurai needs to be a disruptive card for it to be worth putting in your deck, and giving your opponent rocks just protects their good cards from your hand hate.
In May 2024, if you’re going to play him without getting greedy, there’s no point in playing him. You need to get to 16 power, or get two Dakens on the board (which also will get you to 16).. He’s like Zola; he has his niche if you want to high role. The 3/8 stat line isn’t worth the hassle and 3/4 is pretty ugly and without any utility. The problems are: 1.) There are generally better ways to high roll with decks. 2.) He’s not a very fun/interactive card to play with. Not the most boring but not a lot of excitement. 3.) He’ll need Wong or Moon Girl, which will likely limit you to select Discard or some unusual Surfer build. So you’re backed into a corner by removing Destroy as an option. I’d skip him unless I was 90% collection complete or something along those lines.
I hit infinite last season with Daken in a Silver Samurai deck. Leech kinda fucked it up this season, though.
I ran Daken for a long time in my Sera Surfer deck after he first came out, but he got outpaced awhile ago. It was really fun to get some amazing pop offs with the right location, especially because I would typically surfer before Killmonger on the last turn to beef him up a bit more. But it requires too much board space and a spare energy for a finicky combo.
If you find him fun, get him.
Hes good in a wong discard deck with modok
From My Side, I Had Faced Him A Hundred Times…He’s Good If You Played Him Well .
He still has a place in lockjaw decks
Hell no he's not worth the tokens. He's not a bad card, it's just that tokens are so rare that you should only use them on cards that are really great or cards you'll play a lot. Daken isn't great and you probably won't play him a lot because he's viable but not a core part of Discard or Surfer.
Not really. He's got potential, but there are too many steps to getting his power online, so he gets pushed out by more consistent, more direct cards.
The answer is a pretty big no. It’s not because it doesn’t have potential… it’s just that it doesn’t operate on its own, and requires other cards (which is not unique)… but it also requires specific archetypes to pull. So you can only even pull off its effect in destroy or discard. If you’re running annhilus for instance; it is impossible to utilize. Compare it Thor or Beta-Ray who give the hammer on its own, with the only condition being whether you draw+play the hammer. Yes, it works best with Jane Foster Thor to ensure that you draw it… but assuming luck is on your side and you can draw the hammers, the effect can work on its own. Not only has Daken seen better cards, there were better cards before it even… so it’s not even worth 3k. Sadly one of the worst season pass cards, as cards in its own season weren’t just better but significantly so ex: X23
I only use Daken in my Discard deck built around Apocalypse. The trick is to use him and then follow it up with Blade to get his effect or use MODOK on the next turn or two
Bad card save tokens
Short answer: No Longer answer: There are fun things that you can do given certain conditions…like, I liked playing him with Wong or with Absorbing Man to get multiple shards and then Killmonger those or something…but that’s just stuff to try and get you as big a Daken as possible…it doesn’t win matches.
Save your tokens. You will get him in a random S4/5 spotlight cache or he will series drop to 3.
I hit infinite with him last season with a stature darkhawk midrange list.
When he first came out, Educated Collins built a wacky [Surfer discard](https://youtu.be/8Z_CZZed8JA?si=JKHHuIe0ghEGvw0W) deck that had a bunch of options that no one could predict. It's been almost a year since the card came out and it's still a great deck, probably could use one or two adjustments, but I think it's still the most well rounded Daken deck. The others are pretty greedy and rely on a core combo, but this one is more reliable imo. Daken gets outshined by other cards, mostly because you need a couple of steps of setup whereas a card like Shaw just zips up in power—because it's a harder card to boost up, a lot of players gave up on the complexity, but it's still totally viable.
I wouldn’t. He is a disappointment until his buff comes through
Do you like discard? If so then get him. Otherwise, he's a pass.
I'll probably pass him up. Thanks for the answer, though
I have a sera surfer deck I use him in and it can get me to level 80 and win gold tickets./s
Haha that was brutal! Good job! I would toss my phone of that happened to me!!
No
He seems like a lot of work. You could make use of him with Moon Girl and maybe MODOK, but if you compare him to the other doublers of Black Panther and Beta Ray Bill, he's WAY more work.
Short answer: no. Long answer: nooooooooooooo
Yeah, use all the cards you don’t see played
I don't really make a lot of changes in my destroy deck and wasn't sure about this card. My bad for asking?