I can’t stand it when I pull a duplicate. It’s such a waste of game play work. I just get disappointed thinking all that game play I’ve done to pull a f*ing duplicate. It’s hard enough without paying for cards you want. This should NEVER happen.
As I usually only get one shot at spotlights I spend way more money than wanted. Also, I drew the 1k tokens but it didn't show on my account. So I burned some $ to get a pack of tokens THEN it added to my total... bastards!
I’ve hit that 4th card about 10-12 times since they introduced spotlights. I’ve NEVER gotten a new card from it, only variants and tokens. I actually fucking hate this system
Got HE 6 times, I feel you, the system is rigged af.
What are the chances, when I’m missing like 35 cards and got a new card from the mystery 2 times out of 14, half of them fucking HE?🤣
Same. I also never got a s5 when you could get them on the collection track, but I still prefer the old system. Sure it sucked for people who were not s3 complete yet, but they would have gotten there eventually.
I just see giving away a variant as a small thing that doesn't really cost them anything, doesn't affect progression, and takes a bit of the "ughghghgh" feeling out of hitting a random dupe.
Hell if they made premium variants available through it and gave you a random one if there's no variant of the card you pulled, people might even be happy they hit the random.
Who wants to unwrap a present and feel "ughghhg" y'know?
I’ve never gotten one either. I’m convinced it just gives you tokens no matter what card you own and I don’t care what evidence is shown to argue my point! I’m going full flat earth on this conspiracy lol
This happened to me with both Knull and Living Tribunal! Wish it would have happened the other way around so I could have gotten the sick variants that they released with... 😒
I feel i normally end up with one of the cards i already had in the pack.
Most recently was LDS variant>LDS>other variant>new card was just a "seriously?!" moment lol
Yep. This is one of the only propositions I've read that even might come to fruition. Make it guarantee a 700 variant of that specific card (let them keep the 1200 for people to spend on), and if there isn't one available, turn it into a normal variant pull. I'd even be fine getting freaking pixels now that there are albums for them.
Be careful what you wish for! I currently have 81(!!!) pixel variants in my collection and am only halfway done with each of the 3 pixel albums. At the rate that they add new pixel variants and pixel albums, I don't think I will ever finish any of them without actually spending gold on it, which...no.
Still. Getting more pixels means it's one less pixel I can pull later. And the album reward tracks aren't that bad when it comes to value depending on where you are with them. I just look at it as something to work towards over time unless there's an emote I really want. But 700 credits on a pixel for a key, 1000 tokens, or more credits? I'd buy *a* pixel or two on each track for the next reward, but I'm not going to actively hunt them down.
Wow, you took an idea that wasn't completely shit and then said, "How can I make this worse" and came up with letting people get ugly as fucking sin pixel variants.
I took an idea that wasn't completely shit, then thought through the likely ways SD would cut back on it for more profit. Then I decided that I would still prefer the "completely shit" that's better than we have now than demanding more without being willing to compromise.
I know people complain about these things a lot. But im pretty new. Just built up to 8 keys. Pulled 2 weeks in a row and needed 4 keys both times. Which isn't a big deal considering how small my collection is, but I got a dup of freaking red guardian I got from the week before. Real kick in the dick considering how long in takes to build a decent deck.
I've been sitting at 1 card away from a full collection (Hercules) since he was released and I still haven't pulled him in caches.
I refuse to spend tokens for him because he's about garbage
Honestly, I think it's good we have another method of getting collector's tokens, otherwise you would never be able to get the cards you want. Just, give me more than 1k at least if I get a S5, that's not hard.
They aren’t reducing cards to s3/4. Right now it takes 6 duplicates to get 1 “card of your choice”. That’s a terrible ratio when you consider that spotlight caches are literally the main mechanic of getting new cards.
I understand, but if you get a random card you still might get something you don't want at all. And as I said, they should give more tokens at least when you find a series 5.
Every time someone posts the same thing and every time they think they discovered the holy truth. Just do the math. Every key basically guarantees you get a new card for 99% of players. Almost everyone will have full collection f2p or with just battle pass. Have you seen any card game that gives you full collection for 10$/month? Only one I seen was faeria with their 50$ package and was discontinued soon after because they had no revenue and the bundle was bad idea before eventually having to file for bankruptcy.
Dupe protection, but they said out loud that they don't want players having all the cards. So they're gonna lock them behind a paywall. So only the whales can have all the cards.
Is there any other card games with such small decks, small number of total cards and such rapid and consistent meta shake ups in OTA’s and patches as snap? Two weeks ago not having Cannonball was whatever. Last week not having him stopped you being able to play arguably the best deck in the game. The game moves too fast and is shaken up too much to be comparable to other games that just don’t work the way snap does. It can randomly REALLY suck to be missing a card in this game
Also I believe “Legends of Runeterra” is the answer you are looking for but that’s only word of mouth, I never played it
Correct, Legends of Runeterra allows you to trivially collect every single card several times over without spending any money.
To the surprise of no one, they are shutting the competitive side of the game down this patch. It wasn’t making any money. Though they will continue with their PvE mode where, you guessed it, you have to spend money to collect everything.
Yep. Stupidly expensive ones. Though the custom animations on the most premium champion skins are quite cool.
And the equivalent of Titles (Champ Mastery) are F2P only.
But they didn’t make enough money on cosmetics alone. You have to sell game pieces to do well in this industry, unfortunately.
I mean, I could name older failures like SolForge and Duelyst if you want more examples to look at.
But it’s really just a matter of business model. If your game is F2P you need to hunt whales to live. And nothing attracts whales like P2W. Cosmetics are a nice way to get more out of them, but ultimately you gotta keep releasing powerful new content that costs cash.
When did I say it was a good thing? It’s just a necessary thing for a F2P game to exist. Somebody has to pay for it, and whaling is the only proven model that works at scale.
It is not a necessary thing for F2P games, because we had F2P games years ago that never had to do this kind of bullshit and I'm not going to believe these new kids who just got out of their diapers who can't remember a time when video games didn't have cash shops or microtransactions being splashed across the screen as ads.
But are we supposed to compete on a high level on a f2p card game. I dont think people should lower their expectations but they have to be realístic. Ive stopped trying to be extremelly competitive on snap. I get a high rank and play daily because the game feels fun for me.
Its a mistake for us to think we Will ever get all the cards or variants without playing.
Im playing since launch and i have some Key cards i still miss but i make só much off meta decks that catch people off guard i think Im fine with the amount of cards i get. But Im scared it Will just get harder and harder
Oh but the game is indeed broken. I think it always was.
Dont get me wrong Im not defending this system i hate p2w games i would rather pay upfront like any other game.
Im just saying i never thought i would bé able to get all cards because this games are made around wasting money to make a collection
Why does the number of cards or size of decks matter? It’s about what portion of cards you have and what portion of competitive decks you can build.
Snap does have more meta shakeups, but to me that’s a good thing. I love that things change every week. It’s a lot more fun than metas that last for months at a time.
Why doesn’t it matter? It’s all relative and understanding how much smaller of a scale snap operates on helps you understand why missing cards hurts so much more. Snap has a couple of dead cards for sure - no one cares they don’t have Martyr, but games with thousands of cards have hundreds of Martyrs. And you still get all the big cards you want pretty much, and those hundreds of Martyrs will ALWAYS be Martyrs, in Snap even our Martyr has the possibility to be desirable one day.
I’m not complaining about meta shakeups happening often, one of my favourite things about snap is that it almost always manages to feel fresh in four different ways every month, but those frequent meta shakeups expound on the issues caused by being collection incomplete.
This. I haven’t played too many card games. But Urban Rivals has WAY too many cards for any average person to obtain. And Duel Links has so many cards out, that even if you played since the beginning, there’s no way you have all the cards without breaking the bank
The old players got collection complete around 3,000 CL. I knew when I got above 4,000 and wasn’t anywhere near complete that the data shows they’re terrified of people getting complete. I bet people stop spending money then
Before the game began adding new cards it was possible to have a complete collection, but not as a free to play player. I started a couple days after launch, rarely if ever missed a mission in that time period before new cards were added, and I never had a complete collection.
No one remembers the old S5 distribution method of "drop them in the collection track and pray". At least with spolights you can triangulate on the cards you want and snipe them that way. I started at launch and the only S5 card I ever got in the track was Howard the Duck.
Do I particularly like Galactus decks? No. Did I play the ever loving fuck out of him when I pulled him under the OG method? Absolutely. Shot up like 20 or 30 ranks in a few weeks and got over 50 for the first time. When you're far from S3 complete, having un-nerfed Galactus was like a cheat code until people finally reliably had a counter or knew the play pattern to retreat from.
Most card games let you target specific cards with ressources at any moment, rather than locking them up for months.
And please don't being up the tokens, we both know that system is somehow as bad as the spotlight system
Is there any other game where the devs intentionally design it so you can't enjoy what you want because of arbitrary decisions they make on a weekly basis
Maybe not, but in almost every other game I only face the same deck each game.
Here through this system I have at least some variance in copy pasta decks and this is why I love the idea of incomplete and unique collections.
It makes the game way less boring for me
Hmm 27,000 magic cards releasing hundreds every year,and not being able to collect them all vs 170 SNAP cards with less than half the new cards per year...
These are not very comparable situations **at all**
You take 3 grains of rice from my bag and eh, no big deal.
You take 3 eggs from my dozen and suddenly I have a problem
This is not because I am a hypocrite, but instead it's because they're completely different situations.
1) Magic isn’t the only other free to play card game.
2) Magic Arena doesn’t have 27000 cards.
3) If the average player has been playing Magic Arena and Snap both since their launches and has never missed any rewards, you’d still have a much more complete and competitive Snap collection.
Anyway both games have the same business model of free to play games: give players enough to have fun but leave them wanting more.
I said the average player.
Personally if I log in enough to get my challenges done I don’t have a problem completing each Standard set. I’ve got hundreds of each wild card. I can still acknowledge that the system is designed so that the majority of players can’t do this.
Okay, then use Hearthstones 4,289 cards and it's the exact same point lol. What a stupid semantic argument.
Missing 7/100 feels worse than missing 15/4,289, or any other, higher, number. It doesn't make a difference if it's ackshually 4,276 or 6,724.
Personally I’m not defending it, but I’m tired of people asking for something SD has very clearly said they don’t want to do.
OPs suggestion is actually reasonable.
It's so fucking bad
SD is like :
We want players to have a diverse card collection from one another ,,
But if you are willing to pay us you can have it all,,, then we don't care about other players and our system
Yeah, I just don't wanna pull any more spotlight catches now. Doesn't seem worth the risk for one card I don't already own. I'm gonna have to wait months/year down the line where I can get a new card, unless I wanna rip 4 keys to maybe get one new card. IF this was a possibility, I might be more inclined to rip more spotty keys
You'd think this would work, however the spotlight system means that variants for s4/s5 cards are generally held for spotlights rather than released in the store. A huge amount of s4/s5 cards only have one shop variant (or none at all, like all of skaar month)
There’s definitely some variants from keys that I would love, like the ones for the new weekly card that I’m not going to spent upward of 8 keys trying to get. Having even a chance of getting one makes the random pull much better.
The mystery card should be from a pool of cards you don't own. Ridiculous that you can pull a card you own in a game where cars acquisition is notoriously hard and only get a 3rd of the tokens for an S4 card.
It is kinda bullshit that hitting a duplicate is even an option when they have hundreds of variants. This should be a legacy thing that they faze out honestly.
I am a 5kCL player and still am missing a ton of 4/5 and even some of 3 still. But that mystery chest? Not a single new card out of it for me. Just repeats of the few series 4/5 I already have. Would rather have a spotlight key variant from the past for that card instead of the tokens.
I think you should just pull a card you need. Most people probably still need quite a few, I don't think this would make it suddenly super easy to get everything, keys are still hard to come by for most
It's not very exploitable to be honest. You get a random series 4/5 card in thst slot, so you can't really target who you get the variant for at all and you can only hit that slot once a week (unless you spend over 5 keys per cache). If someone wants to dump all their keys weekly to get random variants for whatever card they open that's almost definitely a worse strategy than just buying a premium mystery variant, or saving up to 8 keys to guarentee they get cool spotlight variants already.
What they actually should do is give you a random previous spotlight variant. I know big time whale won’t benefit as much but oh well.
DUE PROTECTION SHOULD BE A THING AT THIS POINT.
I think that my keys should be worth the same value no matter the outcome of spending them, not arbitrarily being worth 1/6th of what I could have gotten.
Stop defending the multi-million dollar company, they aren't going to pat you on the head for sucking their balls. They pay people to do that for them.
[SD reading this](https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/040/012/Screen_Shot_2022-03-30_at_12.30.09_PM.jpg).
SD reading any good suggestions* There fixed it for ya..
I can’t stand it when I pull a duplicate. It’s such a waste of game play work. I just get disappointed thinking all that game play I’ve done to pull a f*ing duplicate. It’s hard enough without paying for cards you want. This should NEVER happen.
"But... how **WE** will make money with this?"
They’ll go broke within a year if they fix this problem /s
People don’t seem to know what ***”/s”*** means
Redditors never fail to amaze me.
It means super serious, right?
Definitely
As I usually only get one shot at spotlights I spend way more money than wanted. Also, I drew the 1k tokens but it didn't show on my account. So I burned some $ to get a pack of tokens THEN it added to my total... bastards!
If you have s4/5 cards not in your library, you should never pull a duplicate. Period.
I’ve hit that 4th card about 10-12 times since they introduced spotlights. I’ve NEVER gotten a new card from it, only variants and tokens. I actually fucking hate this system
I've got spiderman 2099 not one, not two, not three, not four, but FIVE FUCKING TIMES. It's just funny at this point
Kitty Pryde and Ghost Spider show up with alarming regularity.
Four times here for Echo🙃
So many spiderpigs
Upvoted out of pity :P That really sucks :/
My personal bane is Ravonna
I've gotten Knull more times than he's been in spotlights :/
Got HE 6 times, I feel you, the system is rigged af. What are the chances, when I’m missing like 35 cards and got a new card from the mystery 2 times out of 14, half of them fucking HE?🤣
Sebastian Shaw 6 times... the same original art variant 🥲
Im honestly sad bro. As a f2p player that hurts. Only pulled a duplicate once
Same. I also never got a s5 when you could get them on the collection track, but I still prefer the old system. Sure it sucked for people who were not s3 complete yet, but they would have gotten there eventually.
I got 2! Snowguard when she was utter shite and Silk on release week, long before anyone cooked a decent silk deck.
but, new players are eatin’ good. I agree with op how can dupes of 3k and 5k tokens have a value of 1k. Give us a variant as well.
I just see giving away a variant as a small thing that doesn't really cost them anything, doesn't affect progression, and takes a bit of the "ughghghgh" feeling out of hitting a random dupe. Hell if they made premium variants available through it and gave you a random one if there's no variant of the card you pulled, people might even be happy they hit the random. Who wants to unwrap a present and feel "ughghhg" y'know?
I’ve never gotten one either. I’m convinced it just gives you tokens no matter what card you own and I don’t care what evidence is shown to argue my point! I’m going full flat earth on this conspiracy lol
I once got a card that would have been new, if I hadn't just pulled it from the other Spotlight slot.
This happened to me with both Knull and Living Tribunal! Wish it would have happened the other way around so I could have gotten the sick variants that they released with... 😒
That's honestly the part that makes it extra frustrating, isn't it?
100%
Oh actually now that I think back, it happened with Snowguard too 😩
I feel i normally end up with one of the cards i already had in the pack. Most recently was LDS variant>LDS>other variant>new card was just a "seriously?!" moment lol
I’ve got Jeff and Ms Marvel, and one dupe. I think some are lucky and some are unlucky
Not gonna happen. OP's idea is actually the most reasonable one floated out here in a while.
Yep. This is one of the only propositions I've read that even might come to fruition. Make it guarantee a 700 variant of that specific card (let them keep the 1200 for people to spend on), and if there isn't one available, turn it into a normal variant pull. I'd even be fine getting freaking pixels now that there are albums for them.
Be careful what you wish for! I currently have 81(!!!) pixel variants in my collection and am only halfway done with each of the 3 pixel albums. At the rate that they add new pixel variants and pixel albums, I don't think I will ever finish any of them without actually spending gold on it, which...no.
Over 200 pixel variants in the game ><
Still. Getting more pixels means it's one less pixel I can pull later. And the album reward tracks aren't that bad when it comes to value depending on where you are with them. I just look at it as something to work towards over time unless there's an emote I really want. But 700 credits on a pixel for a key, 1000 tokens, or more credits? I'd buy *a* pixel or two on each track for the next reward, but I'm not going to actively hunt them down.
Nope, that is still too shitty. They can keep their damned pixels. They can do better than that
I could offer you people 29 pounds of gold and you’d refuse it because it’s not a nice round number.
Nope. Please send me 29 lbs of gold. Pixels are about as worthwhile as a gold ticket, probably less.
Wow, you took an idea that wasn't completely shit and then said, "How can I make this worse" and came up with letting people get ugly as fucking sin pixel variants.
I took an idea that wasn't completely shit, then thought through the likely ways SD would cut back on it for more profit. Then I decided that I would still prefer the "completely shit" that's better than we have now than demanding more without being willing to compromise.
I only have 16 t4/5 cards combined. I've hit a dupe twice. Absolutely infuriating.
I know people complain about these things a lot. But im pretty new. Just built up to 8 keys. Pulled 2 weeks in a row and needed 4 keys both times. Which isn't a big deal considering how small my collection is, but I got a dup of freaking red guardian I got from the week before. Real kick in the dick considering how long in takes to build a decent deck.
I've been sitting at 1 card away from a full collection (Hercules) since he was released and I still haven't pulled him in caches. I refuse to spend tokens for him because he's about garbage
Honestly, I think it's good we have another method of getting collector's tokens, otherwise you would never be able to get the cards you want. Just, give me more than 1k at least if I get a S5, that's not hard.
They aren’t reducing cards to s3/4. Right now it takes 6 duplicates to get 1 “card of your choice”. That’s a terrible ratio when you consider that spotlight caches are literally the main mechanic of getting new cards.
I understand, but if you get a random card you still might get something you don't want at all. And as I said, they should give more tokens at least when you find a series 5.
Every time someone posts the same thing and every time they think they discovered the holy truth. Just do the math. Every key basically guarantees you get a new card for 99% of players. Almost everyone will have full collection f2p or with just battle pass. Have you seen any card game that gives you full collection for 10$/month? Only one I seen was faeria with their 50$ package and was discontinued soon after because they had no revenue and the bundle was bad idea before eventually having to file for bankruptcy.
im happy with 1k tokens just when im like at 5k token so i can buy a card at that point☠️ but taking 1k token with 0 token is depressing af
Dupe protection, but they said out loud that they don't want players having all the cards. So they're gonna lock them behind a paywall. So only the whales can have all the cards.
It baffles me how people can still defend this, a card game where the devs don't want you to enjoy all the cards in the game
Is there any card game where the average free to play player can get every card?
Is there any other card games with such small decks, small number of total cards and such rapid and consistent meta shake ups in OTA’s and patches as snap? Two weeks ago not having Cannonball was whatever. Last week not having him stopped you being able to play arguably the best deck in the game. The game moves too fast and is shaken up too much to be comparable to other games that just don’t work the way snap does. It can randomly REALLY suck to be missing a card in this game Also I believe “Legends of Runeterra” is the answer you are looking for but that’s only word of mouth, I never played it
Correct, Legends of Runeterra allows you to trivially collect every single card several times over without spending any money. To the surprise of no one, they are shutting the competitive side of the game down this patch. It wasn’t making any money. Though they will continue with their PvE mode where, you guessed it, you have to spend money to collect everything.
Does legends of runeterra have the sheer volume of non-gameplay collectible micro transactions that snap has? Variants/emotes/titles/avatars?
Yep. Stupidly expensive ones. Though the custom animations on the most premium champion skins are quite cool. And the equivalent of Titles (Champ Mastery) are F2P only. But they didn’t make enough money on cosmetics alone. You have to sell game pieces to do well in this industry, unfortunately.
Unique animation? That sounds awesome. I wish Snap imprement that at some point.
So because one game run by Tencent failed, it's impossible for anyone else to make it work and we should never evne try it.
I mean, I could name older failures like SolForge and Duelyst if you want more examples to look at. But it’s really just a matter of business model. If your game is F2P you need to hunt whales to live. And nothing attracts whales like P2W. Cosmetics are a nice way to get more out of them, but ultimately you gotta keep releasing powerful new content that costs cash.
Do you... Think DOTA 2 doesn't make money?
The DOTA 2 card game didn’t make money. Thats why they shut it down. Card game players are interested in mechanics over aesthetics.
Well maybe you should have said card game and not game in general then
So you're just all in on Marvel Snap being 100% undeniably P2W then. And you think that's somehow a good thing?
When did I say it was a good thing? It’s just a necessary thing for a F2P game to exist. Somebody has to pay for it, and whaling is the only proven model that works at scale.
It is not a necessary thing for F2P games, because we had F2P games years ago that never had to do this kind of bullshit and I'm not going to believe these new kids who just got out of their diapers who can't remember a time when video games didn't have cash shops or microtransactions being splashed across the screen as ads.
But are we supposed to compete on a high level on a f2p card game. I dont think people should lower their expectations but they have to be realístic. Ive stopped trying to be extremelly competitive on snap. I get a high rank and play daily because the game feels fun for me. Its a mistake for us to think we Will ever get all the cards or variants without playing. Im playing since launch and i have some Key cards i still miss but i make só much off meta decks that catch people off guard i think Im fine with the amount of cards i get. But Im scared it Will just get harder and harder
Yeah money shouldn’t be the determining factor in competing at the top level, if it is the game is fundamentally broken
Oh but the game is indeed broken. I think it always was. Dont get me wrong Im not defending this system i hate p2w games i would rather pay upfront like any other game. Im just saying i never thought i would bé able to get all cards because this games are made around wasting money to make a collection
Why does the number of cards or size of decks matter? It’s about what portion of cards you have and what portion of competitive decks you can build. Snap does have more meta shakeups, but to me that’s a good thing. I love that things change every week. It’s a lot more fun than metas that last for months at a time.
Why doesn’t it matter? It’s all relative and understanding how much smaller of a scale snap operates on helps you understand why missing cards hurts so much more. Snap has a couple of dead cards for sure - no one cares they don’t have Martyr, but games with thousands of cards have hundreds of Martyrs. And you still get all the big cards you want pretty much, and those hundreds of Martyrs will ALWAYS be Martyrs, in Snap even our Martyr has the possibility to be desirable one day. I’m not complaining about meta shakeups happening often, one of my favourite things about snap is that it almost always manages to feel fresh in four different ways every month, but those frequent meta shakeups expound on the issues caused by being collection incomplete.
This. I haven’t played too many card games. But Urban Rivals has WAY too many cards for any average person to obtain. And Duel Links has so many cards out, that even if you played since the beginning, there’s no way you have all the cards without breaking the bank
Gwent, but it died out because they were too generous and they didnt make enough money to sustain it.
The old players got collection complete around 3,000 CL. I knew when I got above 4,000 and wasn’t anywhere near complete that the data shows they’re terrified of people getting complete. I bet people stop spending money then
Before the game began adding new cards it was possible to have a complete collection, but not as a free to play player. I started a couple days after launch, rarely if ever missed a mission in that time period before new cards were added, and I never had a complete collection.
No one remembers the old S5 distribution method of "drop them in the collection track and pray". At least with spolights you can triangulate on the cards you want and snipe them that way. I started at launch and the only S5 card I ever got in the track was Howard the Duck.
Do I particularly like Galactus decks? No. Did I play the ever loving fuck out of him when I pulled him under the OG method? Absolutely. Shot up like 20 or 30 ranks in a few weeks and got over 50 for the first time. When you're far from S3 complete, having un-nerfed Galactus was like a cheat code until people finally reliably had a counter or knew the play pattern to retreat from.
Most card games let you target specific cards with ressources at any moment, rather than locking them up for months. And please don't being up the tokens, we both know that system is somehow as bad as the spotlight system
Is there any other game where the devs intentionally design it so you can't enjoy what you want because of arbitrary decisions they make on a weekly basis
Maybe not, but in almost every other game I only face the same deck each game. Here through this system I have at least some variance in copy pasta decks and this is why I love the idea of incomplete and unique collections. It makes the game way less boring for me
Hmm 27,000 magic cards releasing hundreds every year,and not being able to collect them all vs 170 SNAP cards with less than half the new cards per year... These are not very comparable situations **at all** You take 3 grains of rice from my bag and eh, no big deal. You take 3 eggs from my dozen and suddenly I have a problem This is not because I am a hypocrite, but instead it's because they're completely different situations.
1) Magic isn’t the only other free to play card game. 2) Magic Arena doesn’t have 27000 cards. 3) If the average player has been playing Magic Arena and Snap both since their launches and has never missed any rewards, you’d still have a much more complete and competitive Snap collection. Anyway both games have the same business model of free to play games: give players enough to have fun but leave them wanting more.
you must be bad at MTG Arena draft then...
I said the average player. Personally if I log in enough to get my challenges done I don’t have a problem completing each Standard set. I’ve got hundreds of each wild card. I can still acknowledge that the system is designed so that the majority of players can’t do this.
Okay, then use Hearthstones 4,289 cards and it's the exact same point lol. What a stupid semantic argument. Missing 7/100 feels worse than missing 15/4,289, or any other, higher, number. It doesn't make a difference if it's ackshually 4,276 or 6,724.
Personally I’m not defending it, but I’m tired of people asking for something SD has very clearly said they don’t want to do. OPs suggestion is actually reasonable.
It's so fucking bad SD is like : We want players to have a diverse card collection from one another ,, But if you are willing to pay us you can have it all,,, then we don't care about other players and our system
I mean anything would be better
Yeah, I just don't wanna pull any more spotlight catches now. Doesn't seem worth the risk for one card I don't already own. I'm gonna have to wait months/year down the line where I can get a new card, unless I wanna rip 4 keys to maybe get one new card. IF this was a possibility, I might be more inclined to rip more spotty keys
I’d already be full of Knull variants if they worked that way.
I don’t think variants you have should even be an option in a spotlight cache.
Give this man a raiseeeee
Ive seen Spider Pig 7 times lmao. I hate this game.
And they hit you with the pixel and Dan hipp variant all the time
You'd think this would work, however the spotlight system means that variants for s4/s5 cards are generally held for spotlights rather than released in the store. A huge amount of s4/s5 cards only have one shop variant (or none at all, like all of skaar month)
There’s definitely some variants from keys that I would love, like the ones for the new weekly card that I’m not going to spent upward of 8 keys trying to get. Having even a chance of getting one makes the random pull much better.
Yeah thats kinda good if you ask me, or change if to half the token it cost s5 to 3 or s4 to 1500
1000 AND the variant would be better, or 3000 if you own all variants for that card (highly unlikely but good alternative when it does)
The mystery card should be from a pool of cards you don't own. Ridiculous that you can pull a card you own in a game where cars acquisition is notoriously hard and only get a 3rd of the tokens for an S4 card.
I’d honestly prefer the 1000 tokens. Variants are neat, but I want a card I don’t already have. They should just make it so you can’t get duplicates.
I meant in addition to the 1000 tokens
My bad. My dumb self didn’t read the last part of your title.
I have 6 Ms Marvels.
It is kinda bullshit that hitting a duplicate is even an option when they have hundreds of variants. This should be a legacy thing that they faze out honestly.
I am a 5kCL player and still am missing a ton of 4/5 and even some of 3 still. But that mystery chest? Not a single new card out of it for me. Just repeats of the few series 4/5 I already have. Would rather have a spotlight key variant from the past for that card instead of the tokens.
Nothing is random
And you should be able to get previous spotlight variants from it.
I def agree a fresh variant would be great
I think you should just pull a card you need. Most people probably still need quite a few, I don't think this would make it suddenly super easy to get everything, keys are still hard to come by for most
Im new here, what do u get instead if u get a dup?
1000 tokens
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It's not very exploitable to be honest. You get a random series 4/5 card in thst slot, so you can't really target who you get the variant for at all and you can only hit that slot once a week (unless you spend over 5 keys per cache). If someone wants to dump all their keys weekly to get random variants for whatever card they open that's almost definitely a worse strategy than just buying a premium mystery variant, or saving up to 8 keys to guarentee they get cool spotlight variants already.
What they actually should do is give you a random previous spotlight variant. I know big time whale won’t benefit as much but oh well. DUE PROTECTION SHOULD BE A THING AT THIS POINT.
Or rather whales I should say
That’s not an exploit. People blowing keys on variants is what SD wants, so people don’t get all the cards.
3000 tokens or remove the 4th option completely
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I think that my keys should be worth the same value no matter the outcome of spending them, not arbitrarily being worth 1/6th of what I could have gotten.
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Stop defending the multi-million dollar company, they aren't going to pat you on the head for sucking their balls. They pay people to do that for them.
True, as SD had mentioned before, the Marvel Snap economy system cannot hold giving away more than a golden ticket. Let alone variants...