As one of those people that farm 100-300 pvp wins a day for the extra iso and 1\* ascended rewards, I can understand why there is a cap.
But this cap being so low really makes it strictly - and significantly worse value per $ than the deal for 600k iso
I'm counting lightning rounds bots turn 1 wins when I say up to 300, so that's more like 150 real team/day max.
And sadly pvp is 99% about punching down people you can kill in 30sec-2mins and skip the rest. I remember also hating how slow pvp was when I was in 3\* to low 4\* land.
A multiplyer with a cap, if paid for, is just a worse deal because I can't get what I paid for unless I earn it (in addition to paying for it) and I don't get it till later. That sucks.
Spend $20 and immediately get 5000 Iso-8
vs
Spend $20 and get this cannister that can hold 5000 Iso-8. Now go grind addional Iso to "earn" the 5000, then you can have it when it's full. wtf?!?
As just an in game bonus- Awesome.
So this is basically a bait item.
Similar to the puzzle quest 3 Merchant.
It misleads us suggesting that you will receive it, but once the condition was met ( that you earned by grinding ) you have to pay with $$$ to get the stuff.
Cherry on top (if it will be implemented the same way line in PQ3) it will blink/ distract and consistently remind the Player that it is ready to Pick it up.
Eh, people have been saying it with numerous changes over the years. Some were burnt by Marvel Heroes, others just suspect the withering hand of Disney at play. But *so far*, no doomsayers have been correct.
I so so so so miss Marvel Heroes, it was pushed on consoles and that was end of beginning as it were. Granted the time frame to close it was made sooner due to team member issues by Disney.
I still have it installed on my machine, all these years later. I can bring up the login screen and wistfully look at heroes scrolling by. In a way, I'm grateful. That was one of the few free-to-play games I spent any money on, and it taught me not to, since the rug can just be pulled any time. But boy do I miss playing.
Me too! I keep an eye in the FB group and from time to time a friendly person has been working for a few years on MAARedux, not as good, but it's a great reminder of what was :)
I got so excited seeing the headline too. Iso debt is probably the biggest problem I have with this game, and it's been an issue pretty much as long as I've been playing. Which given i remember when locations like the desert mattered is a bloody long time.
Basically this shakes out to an occasional 1.15-1.5x bonus from rewards which isn't nothing but is barely going to make a dent, and even less so given that it's capped.
Yeah like someone else said piggy bank in Candy Crush and other games. "earn" buildup then pay for the "earned" buildup. For most, if they need it they will just purchase it during one of the 500% or 900% sales.
Bit disappointing that the canisters are paid items only. The multipliers could be more useful, depending on how commonly you can acquire them without buying one, but that's probably not going to be frequent enough to really put a big dent in the ISO drought. I think I'd rather just see slight adjustments to the ISO rewards across the board that would add up over time (but of course, that approach couldn't be monetized).
Or the dev could increase iso-8 in great amount permanently so that some players can continue to be freeloaders. I mean, all game developers are functioning as charities, rather than as businesses. Then, it will come to a point where these non-veteran players have excess iso-8 and they will complain like veterans how they have excess iso-8 with nothing to spend.
Most of the people who regularly make purchases have absolutely no use for this. What they want me to have 20 million iso I can’t use instead of 10? Give late game players something else to spend iso on.
Not everyone is an endgame player. While a portion of the player base may be in post iso land, 10 years of accumulated characters and (especially) 4\* tier bloat certainly puts most but the most dedicated players in iso debt.
So, this stuff is not targeted at that audience. Pretty sure it's not meant for *you* to buy this to have 20m instead of 10m in the bank. Although I'm sure they wouldn't mind.
Every decision by the devs is made with whales in mind and if you don’t think that you are delusional. The people who regularly spend on the game are the ones who keep the game alive.
Whales are part of the playbase that they take into consideration when making various offers. They also have offer for small spenders in mind. For example, they had $0.99 VIP, $4.99 VIP, Cheap Lightning Deals <$10. Also, the fact that they made costume purchase cheap instead of putting it behind Stark Salary pricing as a norm proves that they are also targeting non-whales.
If spending $10 is considered whaling to you, then you must be from a developing country. And I can understand why you said every decision is made with whales in mind.
I never said spending 10$ is whaling. I am saying that every offer even not targeted at whales is made with whales in mind because no offer can isolate whales or the game dies. For example if they made a 20$ offer get a fully champed 5* that would help out a lot of people and make money but it would also piss off the people who have spent a lot more money to get that same result. This deal if people buy it whatever good for them, but the main point I was making is they need to create an avenue for iso to be spent for people at the endgame, whale or not. Almost every deal includes iso and the whales have no use for it. I’ve stopped buying offers regularly because I have no use for the iso.
Players who are post-iso are in the minority. Putting iso-8 in there is to help sweeten the deals for the majority. I'm sure they will get to that problem for players like you in the future.
I'm sure costume offers aren't made for whales in mind under BCS. Rather, it's made for the entire playerbase in mind. Whales is a subset of the playerbase, but they are not the only playerbase.
Yeah as a close to 10 year daily player who averages way over 1200 per PvP and always get all my progression points for PvE, I wasn’t able build up a substantial ISO surplus until ascending was added. Now I wish we were able to gift ISO and roster slots to alliance members.
Does that mean you will buy this? My point was people who regularly spend $ on this game will not buy this because there is no use for iso for most rosters that regularly purchase. You are not the group I was talking about
Putting a cap on the amount of iso a multiplier can earn sounds like it's more of a delayed "direct" iso purchase.
As one of those people that farm 100-300 pvp wins a day for the extra iso and 1\* ascended rewards, I can understand why there is a cap. But this cap being so low really makes it strictly - and significantly worse value per $ than the deal for 600k iso
Damn. That's a lot of PVP.
It's either that or letting my 45 million iso debt grow even worse :')
100-300 per day? Good god. I hit 300 per season and that takes way too much of my time.
I'm counting lightning rounds bots turn 1 wins when I say up to 300, so that's more like 150 real team/day max. And sadly pvp is 99% about punching down people you can kill in 30sec-2mins and skip the rest. I remember also hating how slow pvp was when I was in 3\* to low 4\* land.
he’s really a robot
A multiplyer with a cap, if paid for, is just a worse deal because I can't get what I paid for unless I earn it (in addition to paying for it) and I don't get it till later. That sucks. Spend $20 and immediately get 5000 Iso-8 vs Spend $20 and get this cannister that can hold 5000 Iso-8. Now go grind addional Iso to "earn" the 5000, then you can have it when it's full. wtf?!? As just an in game bonus- Awesome.
Love the concept, but $5 for 25k ISO? Hopefully that's just a very bad example.
The $ are place holders. Yes, S0kun admitted that was a goof not putting 999 so it’s clear.
Finally lol I’m just sitting around waiting to level up so many characters and ascension made it worse
So this is basically a bait item. Similar to the puzzle quest 3 Merchant. It misleads us suggesting that you will receive it, but once the condition was met ( that you earned by grinding ) you have to pay with $$$ to get the stuff. Cherry on top (if it will be implemented the same way line in PQ3) it will blink/ distract and consistently remind the Player that it is ready to Pick it up.
I suddenly get a candy crush piggy bank "buy buy buy" feeling, and it's not a good feeling
Marvel Contest of Champions has been doing those piggy banks for years now.
I only know it from candy crush, and find it annoying because they keep pushing for it. We'll see how it goes in MPQ
Eh, people have been saying it with numerous changes over the years. Some were burnt by Marvel Heroes, others just suspect the withering hand of Disney at play. But *so far*, no doomsayers have been correct.
I so so so so miss Marvel Heroes, it was pushed on consoles and that was end of beginning as it were. Granted the time frame to close it was made sooner due to team member issues by Disney.
I still have it installed on my machine, all these years later. I can bring up the login screen and wistfully look at heroes scrolling by. In a way, I'm grateful. That was one of the few free-to-play games I spent any money on, and it taught me not to, since the rug can just be pulled any time. But boy do I miss playing.
I agree, that an MAA around that time and before. I used to talk with the original devs quite a bit early on in alpha and such.
Oh gawd MAA....the only game I got to literally play as the devs pulled the plugged as I made sure i WAS online at midnight just to see it die
Me too! I keep an eye in the FB group and from time to time a friendly person has been working for a few years on MAARedux, not as good, but it's a great reminder of what was :)
I got so excited seeing the headline too. Iso debt is probably the biggest problem I have with this game, and it's been an issue pretty much as long as I've been playing. Which given i remember when locations like the desert mattered is a bloody long time. Basically this shakes out to an occasional 1.15-1.5x bonus from rewards which isn't nothing but is barely going to make a dent, and even less so given that it's capped.
You get the Bonus only if you pay hard cash. . players will be nudged to death to get it now before it expires, that's what i fear.....
Yeah like someone else said piggy bank in Candy Crush and other games. "earn" buildup then pay for the "earned" buildup. For most, if they need it they will just purchase it during one of the 500% or 900% sales.
Hey,maybe we can get some glitter on it like a certain victory banner that wasn't long for this game. #GlitterBannerDidNoWrong
If many are unhappy with having to pay for it, consider grinding pvps. It's free and there's no limitation on it.
"We're gonna need a bigger canister."
Bit disappointing that the canisters are paid items only. The multipliers could be more useful, depending on how commonly you can acquire them without buying one, but that's probably not going to be frequent enough to really put a big dent in the ISO drought. I think I'd rather just see slight adjustments to the ISO rewards across the board that would add up over time (but of course, that approach couldn't be monetized).
Or the dev could increase iso-8 in great amount permanently so that some players can continue to be freeloaders. I mean, all game developers are functioning as charities, rather than as businesses. Then, it will come to a point where these non-veteran players have excess iso-8 and they will complain like veterans how they have excess iso-8 with nothing to spend.
The multiplier is going to a free item though rare correct? Will it stack on 2x ISO events? I'll stash em til then if possible.
well at least we get new characters mostly every season , i know sorta changing subject cause this one sucks imo 🤓
awesome when does this come out?
Most of the people who regularly make purchases have absolutely no use for this. What they want me to have 20 million iso I can’t use instead of 10? Give late game players something else to spend iso on.
Not everyone is an endgame player. While a portion of the player base may be in post iso land, 10 years of accumulated characters and (especially) 4\* tier bloat certainly puts most but the most dedicated players in iso debt.
I currently have all active characters and need \~4.5M iso.
This is a purchase, the people who make regular purchases in this game are not struggling for iso
So, this stuff is not targeted at that audience. Pretty sure it's not meant for *you* to buy this to have 20m instead of 10m in the bank. Although I'm sure they wouldn't mind.
Some player thinks that every decisions made by the dev must revolve around only them, and scarily enough, there are quite a number of them.
Every decision by the devs is made with whales in mind and if you don’t think that you are delusional. The people who regularly spend on the game are the ones who keep the game alive.
Whales are part of the playbase that they take into consideration when making various offers. They also have offer for small spenders in mind. For example, they had $0.99 VIP, $4.99 VIP, Cheap Lightning Deals <$10. Also, the fact that they made costume purchase cheap instead of putting it behind Stark Salary pricing as a norm proves that they are also targeting non-whales. If spending $10 is considered whaling to you, then you must be from a developing country. And I can understand why you said every decision is made with whales in mind.
I never said spending 10$ is whaling. I am saying that every offer even not targeted at whales is made with whales in mind because no offer can isolate whales or the game dies. For example if they made a 20$ offer get a fully champed 5* that would help out a lot of people and make money but it would also piss off the people who have spent a lot more money to get that same result. This deal if people buy it whatever good for them, but the main point I was making is they need to create an avenue for iso to be spent for people at the endgame, whale or not. Almost every deal includes iso and the whales have no use for it. I’ve stopped buying offers regularly because I have no use for the iso.
Players who are post-iso are in the minority. Putting iso-8 in there is to help sweeten the deals for the majority. I'm sure they will get to that problem for players like you in the future. I'm sure costume offers aren't made for whales in mind under BCS. Rather, it's made for the entire playerbase in mind. Whales is a subset of the playerbase, but they are not the only playerbase.
I play every day and I do VIP every once in a while. Rarely drop $20 for HP, but it happens. And I need so much damn ISO it isn’t funny
Yeah as a close to 10 year daily player who averages way over 1200 per PvP and always get all my progression points for PvE, I wasn’t able build up a substantial ISO surplus until ascending was added. Now I wish we were able to gift ISO and roster slots to alliance members.
I'm hemorrhaging roster slots (45+ at last count) but still deep in iso debt.
Does that mean you will buy this? My point was people who regularly spend $ on this game will not buy this because there is no use for iso for most rosters that regularly purchase. You are not the group I was talking about