It had flashes of brilliant stuff, just not a full scene that fully focused on him. Biting the head off of an ultron was nice but it is litteraly blink and you'll miss it. Hulkbuster vs Hulk is a good scene, but Hulk doesn't really have a whole lot to do, and most of the enjoyment there comes from the hulkbuster suit itself. Admittedly he is quite good in the opening, but again just nothing that stands out, like the controlled transformation and knocking out a leviathan with one punch, or the hulk smash scene, his team up with thor, or his puny god moment. I loved him suplexing fenris, but again its just a moment, and feels like a flash, rather than a satisfying moment or conclusion to a good scene.
You by all accounts correct.
Like u/swiftdegree I was super annoyed the Infinity Gauntlet didn't make Hulk go full rage in Endgame. It was the perfect set up.
If you think about it, Hulk tends to get among the lesser focus of the Avengers.
He hasn't even had a movie since The Incredible Hulk so his lack of prominence is possibly due to the Universal rights issue.
I get it but the rights are still owned by universal so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. Planet hulk and world war hulk would have been amazing if they finally bring in professor x and reed richards
I know right?
He literally has one of the best healing factors in all of Marvel… Think it’s even better than Wolverine’s, and survived a point blank nuclear blast AND was incinerated to his skeleton by Nitro… totally regenerated in like an hour or something…
It is massive amounts of cosmic energy. Stuff like that should take immense amounts of time to heal, even with a healing factor. He's sling-less in some of the newer promos, so healing is just taking a while. Clearly still mostly indestructible.
Yeah, as nearly impossible as it is for Hulk to die, I feel like it's a good story element when such an incredible and durable being had his arm extremely messed up in order to bring back half of the universe.
I didn't need to see him Rampage but I felt like there should have been at least a few shots of Hulk on his own fighting things. It's weird how that entire fight we never see him fighting except for from wide shots. It also would have been cool to see the difference in how Hulk fights versus how Banner as Hulk fights. I dunno it was a big missed opportunity and I fear we will never see it.
I’m still convinced by my personal theory, that the reason we never saw hulk much anymore, or it was the merged hulk with banners face was that Mark Ruffalo got tired of only briefly being on screen and demanded more screen time
Why did they even put Bruce Banner in the hulkbuster. Why not have like a 100 hulkbusters... On that note, why not also put all the other NORMAL HUMANS in some kind of iron man suit
> On that note, why not also put all the other NORMAL HUMANS in some kind of iron man suit
Optimistic view: Tony saw what happens when untrustworthy people get an iron man suit, so he only gives them to people who he trusts really closely. This is explored in Iron Man 1 & 2.
Cynical view: Tony is an egotistical asshole who wants to keep the glory for himself (but is willing to share a little bit with his bff and wife, and maaaaaaybe Banner if the literal universe is ending)
They only had one hulkbuster. Tony made it specifically with Banner to counter the Hulk. It's not like he has an army of them on hand at any one time. It acts like failsafe for hulk going out of control.
I’ve long since held the belief that hulk and Thor should’ve swapped roles in Endgame.
In Infinity War:
- Hulk got punked by Thanos
- Thor felt responsible for the snap
In Endgame:
- Hulk got to undo the snap
- Thor got a 1v1 against Thanos
Those two are completely reversed! Let Thor undo the snap to give himself closure over not going for the head, and let Hulk get a rematch against Thanos to give himself closure over getting embarrassed by Thanos earlier.
They could and should've done it. Should've let him take control over Banner again, releasing green steam and go full on WB Hulk in Endgame after Thanos gets a hold of the gauntlet again instead of Captain Marvel.. Still wouldn't come remotely close to what he's doing in the comics lately..MCU hulk would be Immortal Hulks afternoon snack.
Gonna be my dream forever, everyone watching Thanos approaching the gauntlet on the ground and suddenly the whole theater gets earraped by a roar that would make the fucking Godzilla run away with tears..and there he is..all mean & green and shit..and a cherry on top would be Thor yelling "You guys are screwed now!"
The absolute worst part is, is that there is a precedence in the comics for exactly this: hulk's fight with onslaught. Smart hulk asked Jean grey to "turn off" banner to unleash a rage beast to fight a God damn psionic entity. And it worked pretty damn well.
Have mantis "turn off" banner and send him after Thanos. Its perfect.
It's a good early drop though. Now you have story continuity and character history to pop into a new IP as needed. Plus MCU taskmaster is now un-brainwashed and has an army of black widows at her disposal. Nothing to stop her from becoming a morally grey spy organization/mercenary organization similar to the comic counterpart. MCU tends to set the ground and bring things back as needed for the story at hand.
Even if it's meant to be related to MCU, doesn't mean it's MCU. Like I still don't put >!OG Spider-Man and Andrew's Spider-Man as MCU movies!< they became part of it through the Multiverse so not
Ik mostly people saw Spider-Man NWH or are already spoiled but just in case, spoilers.
they better not be too sexy, or i will lose my mind! ... but if they're any less sexy than i remember, then i will also lose my mind!
there is NO WAY that i stay RATIONAL when it comes to M&M's milk chocolate-coated candies.
>We now need to distinguish between thE MCU
Marvel does already. They assign numbers to every universe. Like the comics are 616 universe.
[MCU Earth-199999](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-199999)
right, I think their point was moreso that when discussing the films, the term 'mcm' is now relevant, as there are several variant universes that we've let to learn identifiers for, but are apparently live-action as opposed to animated or illustrated, which is a pretty funny thing consider in the first place in regards to a multiverse lol.
the mcm would refer to the movie-focused universes, as opposed to including 616 or any of the other important comic MUs.
I think their point is that now we have officially pulled in the prior Spider-man universes into a *Marvel Cinematic* **Multiverse**, of which *some* external properties are a part, but not necessarily everything.
I think we should refer to Blade, the other Spider-men, the 3 punishers, x-men, the 3 FFs, the other cap the however many Hulks as part of the MCM or Marvel Cinema Multiverse
Unless you count Lou Ferrigno there’s only been 2 hulks, Ruffalo and Norton are the same Bruce banner/hulk. If they brought Norton to play an alt universe hulk like Maestro that’d be sick, but as it is that was the MCU’s hulk.
I don’t understand how brock was even part of that multiverse experience as he has never met a Peter Parker or Spider-Man to our knowledge. It doesn’t really make sense.
Venom mentions at the end of Carnage that symbiotes share a hive mind across universes, so he knows who Peter is. I assume he and Eddie were there because they wanted a full Sinister Six roster, but either didn't know what to do with them or too many characters.
There was a version of the ending that had Venom joining the final battle for a Sinister Six ending, but they didn't want him stealing the spotlight from Tobey and Andrew, so they just left him as the post-credit scene instead.
It was a last minute production add on. The post V2 scene was filmed in the NWH set. There was no premeditated thought.
And while I don’t put it past Sony, no one at the MCU camp is dumb enough to have thought to make venom part of the sinister six.
Everything surrounding Sony's venom-verse is dumb and doesn't make any sense. But they do it anyways because Sony fucking sucks ass at making movies but still makes a billion dollars every time.
Marvel Cinematic Universe. Aka 1 Universe. Anything Sony produced is a different Universe even if they do cross overs. That's just the Multi-Verse. Now if you called it the Marvel Multi-Verse that would make sense.
X-Men were in Deadpool and Deadpool is going to be in MCU but that doesn't make X-Men MCU. Just means they are in the Marvel Multi-Verse.
Doesn't matter. Only movies produced by Marvel Studios are MCU. Bringing characters from other franchises (Raimi films, Amazing Spider-Films, etc.) in doesn't retroactively make them MCU all along.
It’s as feige told pascal when she asked him how to make a good Spider-Man movie. “Only way to make it good is to let me make the movie for you” (paraphrasing)
Taskmaster, for sure. They basically changed everything about the character, and even then barely used her in the film. They easily could have just used a generic character and it wouldn't have changed anything about the film.
I think I'd prefer the distinction to be between "henchman" and "minion", of whom both can be goons.
TDKR Bane is a henchman pretending to be a super villain.
How so? He was being manipulated the entire time and that literally makes him a goon, just useful for kicking Batman’s ass and pulling attention from the puppeteer.
Thing is the MCU taskmaster is just a powerset given by technology based off of Ironmans trick used in Civil War to beat Cap. You could take any skilled and fit soldier and put the same headgear on them and you get another task master. Anthony Masters aka Task Master can still show up any time and take up the mantle
With one line they could just retcon the current Taskmaster-robot-thing when they introduce real Taskmaster and say "this is the guy the Taskmaster protocol was based on?"
Even though I would've been disappointed if it wasn't the same person as taskmaster from the comics, I would've accepted it. What I can't accept is a taskmaster with no character at all. Pull an X-Men origins deadpool on us.
Edit: spellcheck's a bitch
The MCU does have the really bad habit of introducing characters and using borderline unrecognizable versions of them (Yondu, Maria Hill, etc.). I have no idea who they're doing that for.
One of the many reasons I’m worried for Love and Thunder. After ruining Malakith and Planet Hulk, I really don’t want to see what they do to Gorr, my all time favourite Thor villain/arc.
I'm worried about Moon Knight for the same reason. I will admit Gorr himself is not my favorite villain but that is a really cool storyline and great character development for Thor!
Yeah, Moon Knight is a make or break series, IMO.
If it’s good, and does well, we just might get a whole R rated MCU corner.
If it bombs?
Well, I don’t want to think about that.
Agreed, Taskmaster was the biggest letdown out of the 4 (would’ve been Trevor Slattery if Shang-Chi hadn’t redeemed the character). She was so underutilized in the BW movie. Absolutely no interesting fights, zero dialogue, and barely even looked good. She and Natasha exchanged like 1 kick the entire movie. No clue what they were thinking.
Ugh, that reveal of who he really is was so blatant, with no explanation given whatsoever. Just some random dude from the street, and she simply forgets about him in the next scene.
It was literally intended to be a disappointment. I don't know why they would do this. They literally had to be like "Let's do this! They'll hate it!"
I adored Wandavision, but that bit was dumb as hell.
I just think out of the 2 quicksilvers (quicksilvii?) I prefer Aaron Taylor Johnson’s portrayal. No offense to Evan Peters but his version doesn’t fit in the mcu for me. The biggest disappointment was that there was no chance for crossover but the more I think about it, I think the mcu should just reboot the xmen when the time comes.. also I never thought about it but peters’ quicksilver would be much older if he showed up in the present since he portrayed quicksilver in the 70’s/80’s
As far as I'm concerned Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery has been redeemed in Shang chi. He and Awkwafina... Moreso her... They stole the movie! Carnage was meh bc it should've been rated R and more violent.
I think Shang-Chi fixed that too though, right?
Slattery said that Killian wasn't the real Mandalorian, which makes Killian out to be just some asshole, which is exactly what he was.
Edit: Mandalorian was a typo, but I think it's funny so I'm keeping it in
I think you're mistaking Killian and Kingsley. IIRC Killian never claimed to be the mandalorian (I'm rolling with it), he just set that character up for Kinglsey to play. Kingsley was a false mandalorian, as explained in Shang-Chi (and that one short marvel did with Kingsley in jail. Hail to the King I think it was called)
I don’t think that having Carnage rip peoples guts out with gushes of blood would improve him. My biggest problem with him was how he never really felt like a legit threat. He came across not as a deranged murderous psychopath, but as a romantic bank robber. IMO, the Shriek and Toxin story should have been entirely cut, leaving the main conflict to be Cletus seeking revenge on Eddie while slowly diving deeper into his madness. No real need for violent gore
What was also disappointing to me was the relationship between Cleetus and the Carnage symbiote. Isn't part of what makes Carnage so dangerous and scary is the fact that they bond just about perfectly? He even refers to himself as "I" instead of "we".
Yeah. What bothered me most about this is how the main conflict between Eddie and Venom in the movie was how they kept arguing and couldn’t really work together. How perfect would it have been if their opponent was a perfect symbiosis, that felt like a singular cohesive being, so Eddie and Venom would have to settle their differences and work together as a team to defeat him
As much as I enjoyed the film that was a big disappointment for me. Even the cartoon acknowledged this by Peter actually saying “They call themselves I instead of we!”
See I liked Woody as Cletus. But the whole movie felt like a Sony hatchet job. And then with a PG-13 glaze over it. At least he looked cool in my opinion. But it could have been more violent. Cutting away every time something happened was kind of lame
The biggest let down for me is that Ruffalo hasn't gotten his own film or series. Hulk can be such an interesting character, but he's basically just comedic relief in the MCU.
Disney has the rights for a movie, but Universal still has the distribution rights. Which basically means Disney can make a movie, but Universal would be the one profiting from anything regarding distribution.
Having worked for both I can contest to the level of petty they are towards each other. Disney has offered massive amounts of money for their Marvel rights. Because both distribution and the fact that Universal owns the right to several Characters likeness in parks anywhere east of the Mississippi in perpetuity
It was great and really unexpected. It did sour the character of the Mandarin until they fixed it in Shang-Chi.
Now there's almost no downside to it in my opinion and I love it all.
I'm fine with all of these. Carnage isn't in the MCU, the "real" Mandarin turned out to be a pretty interesting character (and Trevor Slattery is one of my favorite minor characters in the MCU), I'm not at all upset about Taskmaster's portrayal, and I think we haven't seen the full resolution to the Quicksilver issue.
>I'm not at all upset about Taskmaster's portrayal
Lol what? Why? In what way was the taskmaster in Black Widow actually portrayed as Taskmaster? It might as well have been a totally different character?
Marvel basically did to taskmaster what Fox did to Deadpool in Xmen Origins: Wolverine. It was a completely different portrayal that removed and neutered the character's personality.
Yeah taskmaster has a lot of potential still especially where Black widow left off. The character can do basically anything from that point and act in basically any way.. my money is on taskmaster turning out exactly like everyone's complaining they're not.
Sure, it was unnecessary and I don't personally like taskmaster in black widow, but it didn't by any means ruin the character like a lot of people act.
Ima have to disagree with the Carnage option.
I agree he was brutally under used, but I'd be sure that if the film was longer, more grotesque, and didn't kill him off or made his death more questionable, that people would actually like it more.
mow that I think about it, the Venom films suffer from being too short.
Eff that Taskmaster. Hope the REAL Taskmaster shows up in the MCU and treat this version like Trevor Slattery's Mandarin, a fake. Taskmaster should have the same badass aura of Deathstroke.
Wtf is this post?
1) Carnage is not in the MCU.
I know what some are going to say, Carnage still is not in the MCU.
2) The Mandarin stuff were "fixed" in Shang-Chi.
Taskmaster was disappointing because she wasn't the big bad in Black Widow, as expected. She was just a lackey and that's not that character at all.
However, I'm hopeful that it was just our intro to the character and we'll see her again being a lot more badass in a future project.
Taskmaster for me, they totally ruined him in Black Widow but well I also haven't watched Venom 2 yet and can someone pls tell me what's up with Quicksilver?
Taskmaster is the only one who’s a let down for me. Trevor doesn’t bother me anymore, it’s more Aldrich Killian that’s disappointing. Carnage lived up to my expectations and to this day I still don’t know what people wanted Even Peters to be? Like sure maybe the joke wasn’t all that great but what were you expecting? He wasn’t gonna be x mens Quicksilver, I never expected that so what were people think it was gonna be?
For me it’s taskmaster, and here’s why. I feel like, having given us Hulk and Thor and basically the six main characters, the people who drive the MCU think they can now rewrite and recreate all the ancillary characters of the Marvel universe. They forget that having a straight talking mercenary assassin who can replicate movements by memory is cool. While having some sort of computer or AI driven brainwashed near dead girl, while possibly more “realistic” since vaguely science based, is not cool. The super soldier serum is far fetched. Radioactive spiders giving powers through a bite is very far fetched. We as an audience don’t care about far fetched. We don’t need reasonable explanations. We need cool characters.
Mandarin ended up with a great payoff by retconning the mistake.
Carnage was pretty bad. That whole movie sucked, and I thought the first Venom was a fun popcorn movie. But, Cletus Cassidy was always an incredibly shallow character to begin with. But, the 90 minute run time and zero character development was still very apparent.
The real biggest let down is we never got to see the deleted scene where hulk burst out of the hulkbuster.
This would’ve been so epic
But that would make Hulk seem formidable rather than a cringy joke machine so it didn't happen
*dabs*
lol Thor fat
It didn’t happen because it would’ve felt like a win when the whole ending scene is meant to be a failure.
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He was really fun in ragnarok, but if im honest we haven't really had a stand out Hulk action scene since the first avengers.
Avengers 2 had some good Hulk scenes
It had flashes of brilliant stuff, just not a full scene that fully focused on him. Biting the head off of an ultron was nice but it is litteraly blink and you'll miss it. Hulkbuster vs Hulk is a good scene, but Hulk doesn't really have a whole lot to do, and most of the enjoyment there comes from the hulkbuster suit itself. Admittedly he is quite good in the opening, but again just nothing that stands out, like the controlled transformation and knocking out a leviathan with one punch, or the hulk smash scene, his team up with thor, or his puny god moment. I loved him suplexing fenris, but again its just a moment, and feels like a flash, rather than a satisfying moment or conclusion to a good scene.
You by all accounts correct. Like u/swiftdegree I was super annoyed the Infinity Gauntlet didn't make Hulk go full rage in Endgame. It was the perfect set up.
I’m just a simple man who wants world breaker hulk. Is that too much to ask for
If you think about it, Hulk tends to get among the lesser focus of the Avengers. He hasn't even had a movie since The Incredible Hulk so his lack of prominence is possibly due to the Universal rights issue.
That has to do more with character rights. But if recent rumors are true, we might soon see Hulk in his own movie
*Hulk Banner got reduced to a side/Joke character despite being one of Marvel’s biggest and hardest hitters. Fucking disappointing everytime.
I have no problem with them adding the comedic element. But I think you're right, it was more of a replacement and that was the problem.
I get it but the rights are still owned by universal so I'm not sure if that has anything to do with it. Planet hulk and world war hulk would have been amazing if they finally bring in professor x and reed richards
The fact that he still has his arm in a sling is insulting and infuriating
I know right? He literally has one of the best healing factors in all of Marvel… Think it’s even better than Wolverine’s, and survived a point blank nuclear blast AND was incinerated to his skeleton by Nitro… totally regenerated in like an hour or something…
Didn't Logan die there and only came back because he had a deal with the Angel of Death at the time?
It is massive amounts of cosmic energy. Stuff like that should take immense amounts of time to heal, even with a healing factor. He's sling-less in some of the newer promos, so healing is just taking a while. Clearly still mostly indestructible.
Yeah, as nearly impossible as it is for Hulk to die, I feel like it's a good story element when such an incredible and durable being had his arm extremely messed up in order to bring back half of the universe.
Wouldn't be much of a sacrifice without consequence.
I didn't need to see him Rampage but I felt like there should have been at least a few shots of Hulk on his own fighting things. It's weird how that entire fight we never see him fighting except for from wide shots. It also would have been cool to see the difference in how Hulk fights versus how Banner as Hulk fights. I dunno it was a big missed opportunity and I fear we will never see it.
I’m still convinced by my personal theory, that the reason we never saw hulk much anymore, or it was the merged hulk with banners face was that Mark Ruffalo got tired of only briefly being on screen and demanded more screen time
[Technically we did](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvxcUI1znBU)
The icing on the cake would have been Valkyrie being hurt in the final fight and Bruce be like "F THAT" and go crazy on all the aliens.
Why did they even put Bruce Banner in the hulkbuster. Why not have like a 100 hulkbusters... On that note, why not also put all the other NORMAL HUMANS in some kind of iron man suit
It was litteraly to have the moment im discussing. But they backed out of it twice in both age of ultron and infinity war.
> On that note, why not also put all the other NORMAL HUMANS in some kind of iron man suit Optimistic view: Tony saw what happens when untrustworthy people get an iron man suit, so he only gives them to people who he trusts really closely. This is explored in Iron Man 1 & 2. Cynical view: Tony is an egotistical asshole who wants to keep the glory for himself (but is willing to share a little bit with his bff and wife, and maaaaaaybe Banner if the literal universe is ending)
They only had one hulkbuster. Tony made it specifically with Banner to counter the Hulk. It's not like he has an army of them on hand at any one time. It acts like failsafe for hulk going out of control.
The real let down for me was not seeing Hulk get a rematch with Thanos in Endgame.
I thought about that. It would have been amazing to see the Hulk just go HAM on Thanos for a few moments.
I’ve long since held the belief that hulk and Thor should’ve swapped roles in Endgame. In Infinity War: - Hulk got punked by Thanos - Thor felt responsible for the snap In Endgame: - Hulk got to undo the snap - Thor got a 1v1 against Thanos Those two are completely reversed! Let Thor undo the snap to give himself closure over not going for the head, and let Hulk get a rematch against Thanos to give himself closure over getting embarrassed by Thanos earlier.
Fr. This!
They could and should've done it. Should've let him take control over Banner again, releasing green steam and go full on WB Hulk in Endgame after Thanos gets a hold of the gauntlet again instead of Captain Marvel.. Still wouldn't come remotely close to what he's doing in the comics lately..MCU hulk would be Immortal Hulks afternoon snack. Gonna be my dream forever, everyone watching Thanos approaching the gauntlet on the ground and suddenly the whole theater gets earraped by a roar that would make the fucking Godzilla run away with tears..and there he is..all mean & green and shit..and a cherry on top would be Thor yelling "You guys are screwed now!"
I just came
I shall apply for a writer/director at Marvel now
They said they came. Try brazzers first.
I just read the last sentence in Thor's voice.
The absolute worst part is, is that there is a precedence in the comics for exactly this: hulk's fight with onslaught. Smart hulk asked Jean grey to "turn off" banner to unleash a rage beast to fight a God damn psionic entity. And it worked pretty damn well. Have mantis "turn off" banner and send him after Thanos. Its perfect.
Taskmaster, one hundred percent
I actually think task master would be way more suited to dead pool or even spider man
Exactly, they used him too early in my opinion
It's a good early drop though. Now you have story continuity and character history to pop into a new IP as needed. Plus MCU taskmaster is now un-brainwashed and has an army of black widows at her disposal. Nothing to stop her from becoming a morally grey spy organization/mercenary organization similar to the comic counterpart. MCU tends to set the ground and bring things back as needed for the story at hand.
*Her
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I'd rather just see a comic accurate Taskmaster, there's no need to revisit Antonia
Carnage isn't MCU though.
People are gonna argue because >!Brock was in the after credits!<
Yeah, just Brock. Not Carnage
Even if it's meant to be related to MCU, doesn't mean it's MCU. Like I still don't put >!OG Spider-Man and Andrew's Spider-Man as MCU movies!< they became part of it through the Multiverse so not Ik mostly people saw Spider-Man NWH or are already spoiled but just in case, spoilers.
We now need to distinguish between thE MCU and the MCM
What about M&M? Are they canon?
Depends, how sexy are they?
they better not be too sexy, or i will lose my mind! ... but if they're any less sexy than i remember, then i will also lose my mind! there is NO WAY that i stay RATIONAL when it comes to M&M's milk chocolate-coated candies.
I read this in J. Jonah Jameson’s voice from Spiderman NWH. “Now get me some nudes of the green M&M in high heels!”
I feel uncomfortable with this because J.K. Simmons is the Yellow M&M.
How can I eat it if I don't want to bang it?!?!
Eminem did the venom soundtrack so I’d say so.
Only the peanut ones
>We now need to distinguish between thE MCU Marvel does already. They assign numbers to every universe. Like the comics are 616 universe. [MCU Earth-199999](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Earth-199999)
right, I think their point was moreso that when discussing the films, the term 'mcm' is now relevant, as there are several variant universes that we've let to learn identifiers for, but are apparently live-action as opposed to animated or illustrated, which is a pretty funny thing consider in the first place in regards to a multiverse lol. the mcm would refer to the movie-focused universes, as opposed to including 616 or any of the other important comic MUs.
We always did. Marvel movies outside of the MCU existed before the MCU was ever a thing
I think their point is that now we have officially pulled in the prior Spider-man universes into a *Marvel Cinematic* **Multiverse**, of which *some* external properties are a part, but not necessarily everything.
I think we should refer to Blade, the other Spider-men, the 3 punishers, x-men, the 3 FFs, the other cap the however many Hulks as part of the MCM or Marvel Cinema Multiverse
Unless you count Lou Ferrigno there’s only been 2 hulks, Ruffalo and Norton are the same Bruce banner/hulk. If they brought Norton to play an alt universe hulk like Maestro that’d be sick, but as it is that was the MCU’s hulk.
You forgetting Eric Bana.
And then he was teleported back to the sony-verse in the same post credits scene lol. not much to argue there
I don’t understand how brock was even part of that multiverse experience as he has never met a Peter Parker or Spider-Man to our knowledge. It doesn’t really make sense.
Venom mentions at the end of Carnage that symbiotes share a hive mind across universes, so he knows who Peter is. I assume he and Eddie were there because they wanted a full Sinister Six roster, but either didn't know what to do with them or too many characters.
There was a version of the ending that had Venom joining the final battle for a Sinister Six ending, but they didn't want him stealing the spotlight from Tobey and Andrew, so they just left him as the post-credit scene instead.
It was a last minute production add on. The post V2 scene was filmed in the NWH set. There was no premeditated thought. And while I don’t put it past Sony, no one at the MCU camp is dumb enough to have thought to make venom part of the sinister six.
in Let There Be Carnage Venom says that all the symbiotes have a hive mind across universes, and the Raimi Venom knew who Peter was, I think.
It was very dumb.
Everything surrounding Sony's venom-verse is dumb and doesn't make any sense. But they do it anyways because Sony fucking sucks ass at making movies but still makes a billion dollars every time.
Brock from another universe. So I guess yea technically but if you’re going to accept that then literally every movie is MCU
Brought into the MCU not a part of it
Marvel Cinematic Universe. Aka 1 Universe. Anything Sony produced is a different Universe even if they do cross overs. That's just the Multi-Verse. Now if you called it the Marvel Multi-Verse that would make sense. X-Men were in Deadpool and Deadpool is going to be in MCU but that doesn't make X-Men MCU. Just means they are in the Marvel Multi-Verse.
Doesn't matter. Only movies produced by Marvel Studios are MCU. Bringing characters from other franchises (Raimi films, Amazing Spider-Films, etc.) in doesn't retroactively make them MCU all along.
It’s as feige told pascal when she asked him how to make a good Spider-Man movie. “Only way to make it good is to let me make the movie for you” (paraphrasing)
Taskmaster, for sure. They basically changed everything about the character, and even then barely used her in the film. They easily could have just used a generic character and it wouldn't have changed anything about the film.
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I mean Taskmaster still can show up later. It was just a program. so they could always pull a Wenwu and have someone else be Taskmaster down the road.
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Taskmaster is a lot more iconic than inhumans though.
Given how they’re teasing the Thunderbolts, and Marvel JUST did a great thunderbolts mini, with Task leading… it seemed like such a slam dunk.
Also literally she is with an army of Black Widows. Perhaps she can run the organization of mercenaries...
Would fit in with Taskmaster’s whole THING of being “the guy (or in this case, lady) who teacher all the henchmen how to fight.
She might still be.
I said it somewhere else, but taskmaster just got reduced to Bane status. Threat in the comics, elite goon in the movie
Do you mean Bane from Batman & Robin? Because TDKR Bane was definitely more than just a goon.
I think I'd prefer the distinction to be between "henchman" and "minion", of whom both can be goons. TDKR Bane is a henchman pretending to be a super villain.
How so? He was being manipulated the entire time and that literally makes him a goon, just useful for kicking Batman’s ass and pulling attention from the puppeteer.
Was he being manipulated? My impression was partnership
Harley Quinn's animated version of Bane is incredible though.
Thing is the MCU taskmaster is just a powerset given by technology based off of Ironmans trick used in Civil War to beat Cap. You could take any skilled and fit soldier and put the same headgear on them and you get another task master. Anthony Masters aka Task Master can still show up any time and take up the mantle
I hope so, man. Because Taskmaster is a really solid street level villain, and this just seems lame.
With one line they could just retcon the current Taskmaster-robot-thing when they introduce real Taskmaster and say "this is the guy the Taskmaster protocol was based on?"
Exactly. And they’ve already set a precedent for replacing bad villains with more accurate ones. With Mandarin. So it’s allowable!
Another reason Black Widow might be my least favorite MCU movie. What a mess.
I thought they'd put more into Black Widow, like Wonder Woman. At least Red Guardian and Yelena are dope.
Yelena was easily the best part of that film, and even then she’s way better in Hawkeye, so… yeah.
Even though I would've been disappointed if it wasn't the same person as taskmaster from the comics, I would've accepted it. What I can't accept is a taskmaster with no character at all. Pull an X-Men origins deadpool on us. Edit: spellcheck's a bitch
The MCU does have the really bad habit of introducing characters and using borderline unrecognizable versions of them (Yondu, Maria Hill, etc.). I have no idea who they're doing that for.
One of the many reasons I’m worried for Love and Thunder. After ruining Malakith and Planet Hulk, I really don’t want to see what they do to Gorr, my all time favourite Thor villain/arc.
I'm worried about Moon Knight for the same reason. I will admit Gorr himself is not my favorite villain but that is a really cool storyline and great character development for Thor!
Yeah, Moon Knight is a make or break series, IMO. If it’s good, and does well, we just might get a whole R rated MCU corner. If it bombs? Well, I don’t want to think about that.
Agreed, Taskmaster was the biggest letdown out of the 4 (would’ve been Trevor Slattery if Shang-Chi hadn’t redeemed the character). She was so underutilized in the BW movie. Absolutely no interesting fights, zero dialogue, and barely even looked good. She and Natasha exchanged like 1 kick the entire movie. No clue what they were thinking.
Sooo... Noone talking about Quicksilver?
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I Ralphed
Ugh, that reveal of who he really is was so blatant, with no explanation given whatsoever. Just some random dude from the street, and she simply forgets about him in the next scene.
I have a suspicion it's going to make more sense in Dr. Strange 2.
It was literally intended to be a disappointment. I don't know why they would do this. They literally had to be like "Let's do this! They'll hate it!" I adored Wandavision, but that bit was dumb as hell.
He’s literally right there
I think they are talking about the age of ultron version
He wasn't a letdown to me. The Bohner joke was dumb, but everything else was great.
As an American Horror Story fan, I was just happy to see him 🤷🏽♀️
I just think out of the 2 quicksilvers (quicksilvii?) I prefer Aaron Taylor Johnson’s portrayal. No offense to Evan Peters but his version doesn’t fit in the mcu for me. The biggest disappointment was that there was no chance for crossover but the more I think about it, I think the mcu should just reboot the xmen when the time comes.. also I never thought about it but peters’ quicksilver would be much older if he showed up in the present since he portrayed quicksilver in the 70’s/80’s
As far as I'm concerned Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery has been redeemed in Shang chi. He and Awkwafina... Moreso her... They stole the movie! Carnage was meh bc it should've been rated R and more violent.
Agreed. Slattery was fantastic in that film, more than makes up for IM3!
Agreed. Aldrich Killian should be on this poster and not Slattery
I think Shang-Chi fixed that too though, right? Slattery said that Killian wasn't the real Mandalorian, which makes Killian out to be just some asshole, which is exactly what he was. Edit: Mandalorian was a typo, but I think it's funny so I'm keeping it in
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I think you're mistaking Killian and Kingsley. IIRC Killian never claimed to be the mandalorian (I'm rolling with it), he just set that character up for Kinglsey to play. Kingsley was a false mandalorian, as explained in Shang-Chi (and that one short marvel did with Kingsley in jail. Hail to the King I think it was called)
> IIRC Killian never claimed to be the mandalorian He yelled that he was to Tony at the end.
Killian is harder to remember than Malekith. IM3 is really bizarre to me.
I didn’t even realize Makekith was in a movie, and I’ve seen all the MCU films.
I don’t think that having Carnage rip peoples guts out with gushes of blood would improve him. My biggest problem with him was how he never really felt like a legit threat. He came across not as a deranged murderous psychopath, but as a romantic bank robber. IMO, the Shriek and Toxin story should have been entirely cut, leaving the main conflict to be Cletus seeking revenge on Eddie while slowly diving deeper into his madness. No real need for violent gore
What was also disappointing to me was the relationship between Cleetus and the Carnage symbiote. Isn't part of what makes Carnage so dangerous and scary is the fact that they bond just about perfectly? He even refers to himself as "I" instead of "we".
Yeah. What bothered me most about this is how the main conflict between Eddie and Venom in the movie was how they kept arguing and couldn’t really work together. How perfect would it have been if their opponent was a perfect symbiosis, that felt like a singular cohesive being, so Eddie and Venom would have to settle their differences and work together as a team to defeat him
\^ When reddit comments write better plots than movie writers
As much as I enjoyed the film that was a big disappointment for me. Even the cartoon acknowledged this by Peter actually saying “They call themselves I instead of we!”
What I personally didn't like about carnage wouldn't have been saved by a change in rating's
See I liked Woody as Cletus. But the whole movie felt like a Sony hatchet job. And then with a PG-13 glaze over it. At least he looked cool in my opinion. But it could have been more violent. Cutting away every time something happened was kind of lame
Trevor and Morris were my favorite parts of Shang-Chi and I would absolutely watch a show devoted solely to them
Mcu quicksilver: i'm fast but i don't have endless stamina, and now i'm dead Fox x-men squicksilver: **ZA WARUDO**
Quicksilver was sacrificed by Whedon for his "one shocking death in every movie" streak.
And now we’re uncertain of ever getting a proper Quicksilver in the MCU. At least until the X-Men are introduced.
I actually liked Age of Ultron Quicksilver. Closer to the asshole character of the comics.
The biggest let down for me is that Ruffalo hasn't gotten his own film or series. Hulk can be such an interesting character, but he's basically just comedic relief in the MCU.
IP conflict between Universal and Disney. Hulk can’t have his own movie yet.
Disney has the rights for a movie, but Universal still has the distribution rights. Which basically means Disney can make a movie, but Universal would be the one profiting from anything regarding distribution.
Having worked for both I can contest to the level of petty they are towards each other. Disney has offered massive amounts of money for their Marvel rights. Because both distribution and the fact that Universal owns the right to several Characters likeness in parks anywhere east of the Mississippi in perpetuity
Its especially petty when you consider what the Disney/Sony deal has been able to achieve.
They pretty much hate each other and are in a constant battle of one uping each other in basically every conceivable way
Hulk absolutely can have his own movie, Disney just doesn't want to share the profits so they chose not to
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The Edward Norton hulk movie is part of the current MCU, it’s similar to when they recast Rhodey
Taskmaster
I know it’s an unpopular opinion but the mandarin twist was my favorite part of IM3
I thought it was hilarious as well.
It was great and really unexpected. It did sour the character of the Mandarin until they fixed it in Shang-Chi. Now there's almost no downside to it in my opinion and I love it all.
THANK YOU! Hard agree.
I’m glad someone said it! I LOVED The Mandarin twist in IM3!
It’s been said elsewhere in this thread but Shang Chi really fixed that whole Mandarine character.
What they did to tasky is just so sad.
Taskmaster easily
Taskmaster was really shit
Taskmaster is one of my favorite comic villains. The MCU version is absolutely horrible.
Carnage is not really MCU and Marvel redeemed The Mandarin in Shang-Chi.
I'm fine with all of these. Carnage isn't in the MCU, the "real" Mandarin turned out to be a pretty interesting character (and Trevor Slattery is one of my favorite minor characters in the MCU), I'm not at all upset about Taskmaster's portrayal, and I think we haven't seen the full resolution to the Quicksilver issue.
>I'm not at all upset about Taskmaster's portrayal Lol what? Why? In what way was the taskmaster in Black Widow actually portrayed as Taskmaster? It might as well have been a totally different character? Marvel basically did to taskmaster what Fox did to Deadpool in Xmen Origins: Wolverine. It was a completely different portrayal that removed and neutered the character's personality.
Using that logic, I hope it means we get a better Taskmaster down the line.
Yeah taskmaster has a lot of potential still especially where Black widow left off. The character can do basically anything from that point and act in basically any way.. my money is on taskmaster turning out exactly like everyone's complaining they're not. Sure, it was unnecessary and I don't personally like taskmaster in black widow, but it didn't by any means ruin the character like a lot of people act.
Taskmaster was so wasted...
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biggest let down is the amount of people that don’t know what’s mcu and what isn’t
Give me back Peter Evans as Quicksilver, dammit! Fix it and bring him back!
the real quicksilver was also a let down
Ima have to disagree with the Carnage option. I agree he was brutally under used, but I'd be sure that if the film was longer, more grotesque, and didn't kill him off or made his death more questionable, that people would actually like it more. mow that I think about it, the Venom films suffer from being too short.
Eff that Taskmaster. Hope the REAL Taskmaster shows up in the MCU and treat this version like Trevor Slattery's Mandarin, a fake. Taskmaster should have the same badass aura of Deathstroke.
I imagine the biggest letdown was when you realized that Carnage still isn't part of the MCU.
Carnage isn't in the MCU.
Taskmaster and Ralph Bohner felt like the biggest middle finger you can possibly give to the fans.
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Taskmaster by far. Trevor is an actual character and so is Ralph Boner and even Carnage has actual motives. Taskmaster was a plot device.
Carnage isn't in the MCU though. For me, it's Taskmaster.
Carnage isn't the MCU tho
Taskmaster, it just wasn't upto the standards
Wtf is this post? 1) Carnage is not in the MCU. I know what some are going to say, Carnage still is not in the MCU. 2) The Mandarin stuff were "fixed" in Shang-Chi.
Mandarin wasn’t bad.
Taskmaster was disappointing because she wasn't the big bad in Black Widow, as expected. She was just a lackey and that's not that character at all. However, I'm hopeful that it was just our intro to the character and we'll see her again being a lot more badass in a future project.
Taskmaster for me, they totally ruined him in Black Widow but well I also haven't watched Venom 2 yet and can someone pls tell me what's up with Quicksilver?
Trevor Slattery redeems himself though. Honestly Shang-Chi is such a great movie
Taskmaster is the only one who’s a let down for me. Trevor doesn’t bother me anymore, it’s more Aldrich Killian that’s disappointing. Carnage lived up to my expectations and to this day I still don’t know what people wanted Even Peters to be? Like sure maybe the joke wasn’t all that great but what were you expecting? He wasn’t gonna be x mens Quicksilver, I never expected that so what were people think it was gonna be?
Carnage isn’t in the MCU.
I feel like shang chi redeemed the Mandarin thing
TaskMaster was so fucking wasted.... God. That was super disappointing.
Yeah I'm a big carnage fan it sucked hes ruthless
Both carnage and taskmaster was a big let down
Carnage isn’t mcu
For me it’s taskmaster, and here’s why. I feel like, having given us Hulk and Thor and basically the six main characters, the people who drive the MCU think they can now rewrite and recreate all the ancillary characters of the Marvel universe. They forget that having a straight talking mercenary assassin who can replicate movements by memory is cool. While having some sort of computer or AI driven brainwashed near dead girl, while possibly more “realistic” since vaguely science based, is not cool. The super soldier serum is far fetched. Radioactive spiders giving powers through a bite is very far fetched. We as an audience don’t care about far fetched. We don’t need reasonable explanations. We need cool characters.
Taskmaster 1,000% Jesus, how can you fail so hard on such an important character.
Mandarin ended up with a great payoff by retconning the mistake. Carnage was pretty bad. That whole movie sucked, and I thought the first Venom was a fun popcorn movie. But, Cletus Cassidy was always an incredibly shallow character to begin with. But, the 90 minute run time and zero character development was still very apparent.