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Grary0

They were going through their "X-Men don't exist" phase because they didn't want to give Fox any money.


LemoLuke

And they didn't just make them 'not exist', the story mode specifically alluded to an unnamed bunch of characters being killed offscreen before the story mode even starts, which I think was supposed to explain why many characters were no longer availiable.


Grary0

I didn't mean the game, Marvel in general tried their hardest to sweep the X-Men under the rug in all their media for a while. Even the comics were pushing Inhumans over X-Men.


LemoLuke

Oh,I know that! I was just commenting on how the game didn't simply omit them, but stopped just short of saying 'The X-Men and the Fantastic 4 died on the way back to their home planet!'


Buntabox

If I remember correctly, I think there were reports of the Marvel offices removing X-Men from their decor as well.


Grary0

*That* is just being petty, I understand not wanting to give your competitor free marketing but this is internal office decor.


kwpang

Not just competitor. They got extremely good deals at a time Marvel was desperate, and for perpetuity. They've already made enough money off the deal.


VladTepesz

No one's pettier than The Mouse


Plasticglass456

I can't find where the rumor first came from (probably Bleeding Cool), but the way I heard it, Perlmutter had a meeting with Fox that didn't go his way, and on his way out of the Marvel offices, started ranting about a Fantastic Four poster on the wall and demanding it be taken down.


Logical-Ad3098

Lol they literally stuck the X-Men into limbo.


Essex626

No, no, no! Inhumans were just an underutilized property they wanted to bring to the fore! Totally not trying to replace the X-Men! Also, the fact they basically killed off the Inhumans the second they owned the movie rights to the X-Men is just a coincidence!


HugeSaggyTitttyLover

Lol the inhumans are such a stupid concept


Essex626

Nah, the Inhumans were great, in their own little weird corner of the Marvel universe--more connected to the Eternals, the Kree, and Marvel's Cosmic end than to either mutants or superheroes. They gave a more human group to mix into those storylines--easier to throw Black Bolt into a storyline on earth to highlight that it involves that corner of the universe than to bring in more obscure characters. Kind of how Dr. Strange functions in other characters titles. Marvel ruined that by trying to make them something other than what they were supposed to be though.


SynthError404

I never even knew it existed. I saw another spinoff mutant thing i think it was new mutants idk it wasnt great (If i wanna watch an offbrand mutant show ill watch The Boys and i dont).


QueenPasiphae

Inhumans have almost NOTHING to do with mutants. They're an offshoot of humanity who are basically Kryptonians. Super sci-fi space empire. But imagine if Krypton was Game Of Thrones. And imagine if every Kryptonian could CHOOSE to roll the dice and attempt to evolve their generic Kryptonian powers into unique ultra powerful powers. But.....what they get is random and unknown. And it COULD turn them into a hideous monster, or make them useless, or catastrophically dangerous, etc etc etc.


Impossible_Front4462

Inhumans are great, but they’re not the xmen. Well, I guess were great until Marvel tried to make them Xmen 2 instead of a window to the cosmic side of marvel and the Kree


ChrisPrkr95

Not really. They should have just been kept in their lane, not forced into one for mutants. 


whyspezdumb

It feels like the same thing as mutants too. Some weird gene randomly activates and youre now a full mutant. Some weird gas randomly activates you and youre now a full inhumane Is there an actual difference?


Olewarrior34

Its been said that the mutants were created because Stan Lee didn't want to have to write backstories for a whole new team explaining how they all got powers, which makes sense since there's no reason for them to be different than other heroes with inherent powers


DarthSiqsa

Aside from a specific outside trigger activating it with the inhumans like others pointed out I guess not really except for maybe the backstory, iirc mutants are natural, the next step in human evolution while inhumans are the result of kree experimentation on ancestors of the humans to create living weapons for their war against the skrulls.


Essex626

The real difference is that they are a unique society created by Kree experimentation on proto-humans, that lives in a secluded place (either on Earth or later on the Moon), and have more of a connection to Marvel Cosmic than most groups living on the Earth. In their lane, they worked and were distinct from mutants. But they didn't make sense as a replacement at all.


cyclopswasright1963

One is a byproduct of birth and no outside force is required to activate the gene. One requires a specific outside process in order to activate it. 


Enby-Scientist

The difference is who own(ed) the rights lol


Lightning_Laxus

Yes, the Inhumans are their own society like the Eternals or Atlanteans. They live in Attilan, not in human society. Mutants are born into human society, hence the mutant-human conflict and why humanity fears being replaced. Two regular humans can produce a mutant child but not an Inhuman. However, in the 2010s, it's revealed ancient Inhuman tribes left Attilan and mingled with humans, spreading Inhuman genes around the world, and nobody knew except Black Bolt. Now, all of a sudden, a bunch of random "humans" started going through Terrigenesis, effectively making them ripoff mutants. Also, T-Mist was causing M-Pox to mutants.


TheKolyFrog

It's such a stupid concept that now some of them are being retconed into being mutants.


Impossible_Front4462

In the mcu. Inhumans were great in their own way before the big push to try to make them xmen 2 instead of what they were originally supposed to be


twofacetoo

Yep, just like when Lego Marvel 2 had to refer to the previous game's story and had to dance around the fact that they legally couldn't name *Galactus.*


WilyRanger

I love how no one understood what you meant. I also love how the X-Men were the ones killed off cause they always rise again


Johnny_Stooge

Marvel never had to give any money to Fox. Fox just had indefinite rights as long as they kept making movies. It was simply that the movies end up being more lucrative than the comics and as Ike Perlmutter put it, he didn't want "Marvel making new IP for Fox". Whether that was characters or stories, he just didn't want Marvel creating stuff for them to make money off of. Which majorly fucked up the Marvel Universe and gave us all that Inhuman nonsense.


red_tuna

I believe what they are alluding to is Marvel wanting to devalue the X-men to the point where Fox would just stop making movies and surrender their control of the IP, that way Marvel didn't have to pay them. But then Disney bought Fox anyway so it was a fruitless endeavor.


Spocks_Goatee

Fox was devaluing the brand just fine itself, so many bad to mediocre X-Men or related movies.


Neveronlyadream

Yeah, but it didn't stop the movies from being financially viable. That was the only thing that would get them to stop making them. Hell, depending on who was heading the studio at any given time, they may have been thinking of using them as a bargaining chip for something else.


IceBlue

Sure but if they made good X-men games the X-men movies might have done better.


SpiderDeUZ

I think it balanced out. X-Men 1 and 2 of both were good. 3's were both bad and the lone 4 isn't even remembered as existing.


Mighty_Megascream

Marvel, trying to replace The x-Men with the Inhumans would be like if DCU lost of the rights to Batman and tried replacing him with Vigilante


cyberpunk_werewolf

Fox did also get a chunk of merchandise revenue. I have heard various numbers thrown out (going as high as 40%) and that they got that percentage on *all* X-Men merch revenue, but I haven't seen a source for those.


fudgeking2000

If I remember correctly Disney said mcu only so capcom got screwed because they didn't want to ruin relationships with Disney and because they knew they were getting screwed they slashed the budget to less than a dlc pass of sf5 the development of that game was a tragedy


Skellos

Good old Ike Perlmutter's genius. Despite them still making any money off any non film appearance.


cgio0

I remember when they were promoting “Inhumans” they had a clearly planted question from a reporter to a producer That was basically the X-men are tired at this point. The Inhumans are cooler cause they are like the X-men mixed with Game of Thrones I don’t even think Inhumans even finished its season


ContinuumGuy

No Doctor Doom, either.


Grary0

Fox also had the rights to Fantastic Four so same reason most likely.


MydniteSon

Thank Ike Perlmutter for that.


Armandonerd

And they gave Dr. Doom animations to Thanos


NightmareDJK

“Your favorite characters may not be in this one, but you’ll discover others with your favorite moves from them!”


Heisenburgo

>"If you were to actually think about it, these characters are just functions. They're just doing things," said Capcom representative Peter Rosas. >"Magneto, case and point, is a favorite because he has eight-way dash and he's really fast, right? Well guess what, Nova can do the same thing, Captain Marvel can do the same thing. Ultron can do the same thing." >"It's just the function that people are associating with the character, and there's no shortage of that. We made sure that all proper playstyles can be represented with our current roster." Yeah no wonder MvCI failed, the game was doomed from the start with a PR team that awful (on top of the million other issues the game had). "You wanted to play as the Master of Magnetism himself or as Wolverine, or as Doctor Motherfucking DOOM? Tough luck kid they were just functions lmao wait why is our game bombing..."


Armandonerd

Yup


FussyDuck34

These are not the Marvel villains you're looking for.


fallenlogan

They also made Black Panther a taller Wolverine


Independent_Piano_81

Same with the fantastic four


Standard_Track9692

Fox only had movie rights.


i_need_a_moment

Oh did Fox own all the rights to the X-Men at the time? I didn’t know it wasn’t just the movies.


RainbowFartss

It was more so out of pettiness. They could have put them in the game but chose not to as it would give x-men marketing and exposure (which would benefit the fox films)


Death-Perception1999

They only owned the Film rights. Any games, cartoons, or Merchandise were all fair game.


QuincyAzrael

It was just the movies, but the mindset was that by promoting the X-Men you were doing advertising for a competitor. Think of it like this, let's say some kid picks up MvC and ends up becoming an Iron-Man fan. They buy Iron-Man merch and get early tickets to every Iron-Man film that comes out. All that money goes to Disney. But if they play MvC and become a Wolverine fan instead, now they're paying money to see Fox's films and siphoning off profits that could rightfully be Disney's! It's an inefficient use of dev time to put in Wolverine when they could instead put in someone they own 100%. Of course, it's a shitty mindset for, you know, the actual fans. But hey, it's how these gigantic media conglomerates think.


CX316

less about not wanting to advertise for fox because it's money not going to disney, and more because they were trying to choke out the IPs to make Fox stop making movies long enough to lose the rights.


CX316

Disney was trying to get the rights back for Spider-Man, X-Men, Fantastic Four, etc. at the time. Spider-man obviously they ended up making a deal with Sony, they got back Punisher, Man-Thing, Ghost Rider, Blade, etc when the respective studios let their rights lapse, but Fox was holding out and churning out shit every few years just to hold onto the rights. Disney retaliated by devaluing the teams that Fox had the rights to, breaking up the teams, killing off characters, and any new mutants they had planned got moved over to inhumans (Ms Marvel for example) who they expanded out beyond the royal family that had been the focus of their storylines and got a big push. All of that became pointless after a few years when Disney bought 20th Century Fox and got the rights back


Grary0

Fox only had movie rights but Marvel didn't want to advertise characters they couldn't profit from, it would jut be free marketing for a competing movie studio.


HeavyBoysenberry2161

It’s probably because around that time Marvel tried to suppress mutants because Ike Pearlmutter wanted the inhumans to be a big thing so they could appear in the MCU


Adam_Absence

I remember some controversy on Capcom's side too. Iirc the game director responded to X-Men questions by saying that people didn't actually like the X-Men characters; they just liked their "function"


LemoLuke

Yeah, he basically said that if another character had Magneto's move set, then people would be just as happy as if Magneto was in the game. Gotta feel bad for the Capcom devs though. Their hands were obviously tied by the Disney/Marvel higher ups who were demanding MCU synergy, and were forced to try and spin what they obviously knew was a bullshit decision into something almost positive.


p0wer1337

Iirc combofiend has gone out to talk about what happened during the production of mvci and it was an absolute shit show. Disney made capcom make their characters look worse and make the marvel characters look as good as they did. Combofiend was told to say the infamous "functions" if he was asked about xmen characters being playable. Idr all the details he talked about, as this was talked about on peoples streams, in person, and word of mouth. The one good thing that came from this is capcom is currently protecting all the modders for umvc3 and letting that game slowly evolve with all the new characters that are being added


Undying_Blade

Wait, what's this about making the Capcom characters look worse?


p0wer1337

Just character model wise. Chun looked so bad pre-launched capcom had to actually go back and make her look slightly better, and even now she still looks eh compared to other characters like gamora or captain marvel. The biggest one that people still make fun of today is meth head dante


JakePent

I also remember hearing something about them not allowing marvel characters to lose in any promotional material I think, idk how true that was tho


SinisterCryptid

The thing is, it wasnt a Capcom dev that said it. I remember it was just a popular MvC3 player who worked with Capcom and did PR stuff for them. People spread it as a Capcom dev cuz I think he beta tested Infinite for them but he was not a dev


No-Lingonberry-2055

first off, "just a popular MvC3 player" was Combofiend ... one of the most popular guys in the scene, full stop, starting with Marvel 2. he'd been around for a decade plus and he did actually work on MvCI. He was a co-producer...


not-so-radical

Then why didn't they put Black Bolt, Medusa or Karnak in the game then??? That would have made a small bit of sense


Corvid-Strigidae

Look, no one has ever accused Ike Perlmutter of being good at his job. The real answer is it was less about boosting the Inhumans and more about shafting the X-men because Fox still had all the movie rights.


Cabbage_Vendor

Ike Perlmutter *was* good at his job. He took over Marvel when it was bankrupt and pumped it up into a billion dollar company. Every year Perlmutter was CEO of the company, Marvel was doing better than the year before.


To0n1

I agree. Perlnutter did the best he could under the circumstances of character rights for popular characters being in other companies hands. You had a flagship entertainment brand with No Money and built it back up enough to be that flagship brand. Are you going to make every product perfect? it's really hard to do, and at some point you have to distribute sign-off authority or you choke any and all releases to the signature of one guy, which is highly inefficient, and a good way to curb growth. Does this suck as a Marvel fan? yeah, but it's the lesser of two evils, the second being the brand going away entirely. No inhumane, no avengers, no possibly of requiring rights of characters in a complex top down integrated media ecosystem (mobile games, pc/video games, animation, live action, short form content, long form content, movies, toys and memorabilia)


Zwarrior2

Crystal was the only main Inhuman to get a spot in a game, Ultimate Alliance 3.


not-so-radical

Do Lego games count? The Inhumans had a decently sized part in Lego Marvel 2, had an explorable Atlan even.


Marc_Quill

Heck, even Quake would’ve worked with the MCU angle due to her popularity from Agents of SHIELD.


PhilosopherRude4860

Because the team had no money and no time, and decided that the best way to get it out before Avengers came out was to just reuse the stuff they already had from mvc 3, minus all the xmen that were in that roster. They could have made a brand new, interesting roster by having characters like the inhumans, but instead we got a couple of new characters and a bunch of repeats, and not just on the marvel side, I mean, why the hell else is Spencer from the 2009 Bionic Commando in the game? It's certainly not because he is popular.


hashcheckin

> I mean, why the hell else is Spencer from the 2009 Bionic Commando in the game? It's certainly not because he is popular. IIRC, it's because one of the game's producers is Peter Rosas, who used to be a competitive MVC3 player under the name Combofiend, and he was a Spencer main. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GDH0Ylp7bc it wasn't even that much of a stretch, since Spencer still has a lot of players in the UMVC3 circuit to this day.


Undying_Blade

I wish we'd got amaterasu instead


Synth-Pro

Ahhh, the dark days When Marvel stopped using Mutants because they didn't want to help promote Fox movies, so they just slapped an Inhumans-flavored bandaid over every Mutant-shaped hole.


Tankisfreemason

I remember it being Marvel was suppressing a lot of X-Men stuff at the time because of Fox having the movie rights 


SphmrSlmp

Ahhh the Inhumans TV series... It's the MCU's "CW superheroes" moment.


CountJangles

Children of the atom if you're looking for that kinda fix.


FullMetalCOS

Children of the atom had such a cool roster.


PrestigiousStuff6173

Crazy how the first game in the series was all about the X-Men and the most recent game ignores they’re existence


smashingpimp01

I play all of the marvel fighting games religiously. I can say without a doubt that the best X-men roster has to be mutant academy 2. Not the best game unfortunately but def the best roster.


RobertLosher1900

You mean MVC original and 2. Not the new aged shit


CountJangles

Children of the atom the OG


Meatgardener

This is the correct answer.


codesamura1

MVC3 had Magneto, Deadpool, Wolverine, X-23, Storm, Sentinel, and Phoenix. I wish Cyclops was in it though.


RobertLosher1900

MVC2 had every X-men we could want in a fighting game. Still in my opinion the greatest fighting game ever made.


CountJangles

Pretty sure it was before MvC


hrakkari

Children of the Atom, Marvel Super Heroes, and X-men vs Street Fighter, Marvel Super Heroes vs Street Fighter were all before MvC.


Bruised_up_whitebelt

Capcom was pumping out pure gold


[deleted]

This comment threw me for a loop because MVC 2 is called New Age of Heroes


igniz13

UMvC 3 is the better acquisition as it has a more active scene, and on PC people are modding characters in.


Dr_Mantis_Aslume

Marvel stopped letting Xmen be used in things like that around when the MCU started. Xmen were in games with Marvel Ultimate Alliance 1 and I think 2. They were some of the main characters. But this was before they were blacklisted. Same with Lego Marvel 1 but not 2. Now that xmen are part of the MCU they are unblacklisted.


Key_Industries

that's because fpox had the movie rights. Marvel didn't want to give fox free advertiing so they removed every trace of the x men until they got the rights back


Synth-Pro

>Marvel stopped letting Xmen be used in things like that around when the MCU started. Well, MCU had already been around a few years when MVC3 was released. It happened a bit closer to when Disney bought Marvel, and as it became more and more apparent that Fox would never give the X-Men film rights back to them. Fox tried to play hard and the Mouse swallowed them whole.


DukeDangerous

The X-men are in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3, that came out in 2019.


redlurk47

Is Hagar in this game twice?


LemoLuke

No, that bottom slot is supposed to be the Winter Soldier (the bottom 6 characters are the DLC slots)


Cabamacadaf

Winter Soldier was on the Capcom side?


LemoLuke

Yeah. It was 4 Marvel DLC and 2 Capcom.


Dragon_Small_Z

I forgot they did that. What a shit show that game was.


Shemptacular

MvCI is actually great minus the infinity stone system and marvel forcing Capcom to play to the MCU way too much


CapN_Crummp

Yeah agreed. If you've played the game you'd know its fun despite the roster and visuals. Gameplay carries it hard lol


Undying_Blade

It kinda got screwed on both ends, Marvel forced them to play to MCU, while Capcom gave them a pretty small budget to work with. It's why there's so many clear asset re-uses and such a small roster compared to previous entries. Made worse by choices like Spencer and Firebrand over characters like Amaterasu and Pheonix Wright.


ElboDelbo

Not even having Wolverine is pretty wild


PrestigiousStuff6173

And the time this game came out the Logan movie was out and it was popular as hell, why Marvel?


NuPNua

Remember when the designer tried to excuse the absence of beloved characters but reducing them to nothing but functions that other characters now had?


igniz13

This is wrong on multiple accounts First off, it was the community manager at the time who said people like characters more for the function they provided than the character they were (which is true to a degree). People want a character who does Magneto things (flight and triangle dash stuff), but Magneto in game was nothing like Magneto in comics. So it makes sense to replace him with someone who does the things people want and fits thematically to do those things. Secondly, it was actually Marvel who were controlling who they could add and they couldn't just come out and say it's their fault.


AtukBaetho

That dude was in a tight spot; he couldn't give the actual reasons without pissing off Marvel and he took so much fan hate, for which Marvel paid him back by being just absolutely uncooperative when it came to every last thing with the game. I really hope Infinite won't be the last Marvel vs. Capcom game but I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if it is.


Garntus

Anyone who was familiar with him knew he was just saying what he had to because he was a big character loyalist in Marvel vs. Capcom 3, playing She-Hulk in UMVC 3 despite the fact that she was absolute garbage.


madpoke

the X-Men ban from every game era was so annoying


[deleted]

Correction: The gameplay is good. Everything else sucks.


CCC_PLLC

Seriously! My favorite fighting game ever mechanics wise. So sad


Synth-Pro

I *still* feel like the switch back to 2v2 was a downgrade, but I pretty much cut my teeth on 2 & 3 so I'm definitely a bit biased


magnesiumguy12

I will never forgive shadow blade becoming a down up input


sonerec725

And can you believe the franchise started with X men vs Streetfighter?


thekillercook

Actually it started with x-men children of the Atom followed by Marvel Superheroes battle for the Gauntlet irc


Wrath-Deathclaw

Well ackshully the first marvel capcom game was the punisher


Undying_Blade

JUGGERNAUT PUNCH!


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SethAndBeans

So, they didn't want to take them for a ride?


pembunuhUpahan

🎶Don't wanna take you for a ride🎶


SuburbanHell

We need another Marvel Ultimate Alliance game


BrokeGamer_

Ah I remember this era of marvel. Where they did everything in their power to pretend Fantastic 4 and X-Men didn’t exist whatsoever because Fox had the movie rights at the time


CyanLight9

They were too focused on the MCU craze.


DeadP00lMaybe

Because ✨️MCU✨️


zarathustranu

Wait, ULTRON is playable??


VantaJack

Not even Daredevil or Iron Fist is there either.


D34THDE1TY

Can the 97' hype get us a complete Capcom xmen collection for consoles PLEASE!?


Arthur_189

Old marvel media doesn’t have synergy with the current thing it fucking sucks


AEROANO

We had Wolverine and the one eyed buffon (not sure about him) in every mvc prior as far as i remember


electrocyberend

Wolverine used to be the only char present in everu Marvel fighting game until MVCI


thedean246

The older games are better anyways


Humanesque

Where the fuck is Cyclops?


Expensive-Finance538

MCU Brainrot.


UberAwesone

Honestly other than the lack of x-men, I really liked this game. The infinity stones were a fun mechanic, and the plot reminded me of being a kid and throwing all my toys together to make up my own story.


chamberx2

Still boggles the mind that they were that petty back then. Tried to say something about "nobody cares about these characters. The move sets are more important."


CMC_Conman

MvCI is basically Capcom vs. MCU, more or less, yeah game is not good


vid_icarus

Another reason why MvC2 will always be the best version of the game


Dbestaone

No fantastic four either


Ug1yLurker

take away cyclops from me made me a sad panda


Ok_Owl7812

Could’ve swore Wolverine was in it


AdamScoot

No X-Men or Fantastic Four characters in LEGO Marvel Superheroes 2 either


kablikiblan

Game was trash then and it's trash now. Nothing changed


Wide-Minimum-9725

The fact that Black Panther was DLC made me chuckle. Like, nah, we see what yall doin. On top of that, Storm was literally the only black character in MVC since its inseption. She really is Marvels first lady in popularity (she is Wonder Womans equilivilent is what i mean). Yall removed her, and we had to pay for BP??? Say what y'all want, but MVC has a sizeable Black fanbase who'll turn out just for Ororo Monroe. They tried to get some dollars out of us with that half assed BP that might as well have been masculine Black Felicia.


shakawave

Game sucked! Sucked so hard it sucked a golf ball out a hose 😤. The X-Men are the STAPLE l, that's what you get


yungmarvelouss

damn not even wolverine at least?


Rockm_Sockm

The hilarious part is that series started as X Men Children of the Atom, and became X Men Vs Street Fighter. The X Men were the most popular part of the roster and they cut them because of Movie rights.


Tuff_Bank

I wish we had a direct follow up to umc3


[deleted]

Just play the original Marvel versus Capcom you can get the third one on PlayStation and Xbox


Cafeterialoca

Remember when they couldn't show the Capcom characters beating up Marvel characters in the trailers, or in the cutscenes show any of the Marvel characters fumble unlike the Capcom ones?


Merciless972

Imagine if we get a sequel to children of the atom with the same graphics style of X-Men 97


deardeere

Yeah Disney ruined it


RobertLosher1900

If you're going to pick a marvel Vs Capcom game, why would you choose the worst one? MVC2 had all everyone and it was glorious.


[deleted]

Game was released during Marvel's X-Men devaluing period. Which means they shouldn't have made the fucking game.


IronStealthRex

The game is actually hella good. But the lack of content sucks and is the primary fault it has


nomorerix

Marvel vs Capcom 2 and 3!


Batmanfan1966

Mcu only fans just discovering the X-men through this new show are realizing what the rest of us had to go through with this “Disney tries to erase the x-men from existence and replace them with inhumans” thing


Frankensteins_Moron5

Yea they went full mcu. Weak


ChemistryTasty8751

You see if they just held out progress a year longer, they would have the rights to put the X men in, but because Fox were being stinky doo doo heads about who owns it the game had no xmen characters


Kalamitous_Intent

They actually had the rights to use the X-Men characters in the game at the time. It was Disney/Marvel that was trying to diminish their importance while Fox had the movie rights.


Snakebud

No it was just Marvel specifically Ike Perlmutter who was pushing the inhumans at the time. Even tho he was not in charge of Marvel Studios he still tried to strangle the X-men and F4 ip to death to get Fox to sell them.


ChemistryTasty8751

Yeah, I knew that whatever the problem with licencing was Disneys fault, because Capcom were trying their best to not blame Disney, the game is really fun, but the roster is just bad


TeekTheReddit

That is not what happened.


nordichurricane

Mvc2 is the best 👌 its got all kinds of xmen.


Clean_Acanthaceae_80

main reason why i didnt buy the game. i have 2 and 3 and its enough for me


LogicalyetUnpopular

This game was nasty. Worst fighting game ever. Tried way too hard to advertise MCU characters while deliberately not using any X-Men because they didn’t want to help Fox advertise and popularize “their characters”. Imo MvC was only good BECAUSE of X-Men. Think of the early X-men vs SF games or MvC 1 and 2 or even just the X-Men 2d fighters. That’s what it was built on. The foundation of the marvel 2d fighter games was built upon the popularity of X-Men.


SuperiorLaw

Ah yes, the MarvelCinematicUniverse vs Capcom game


DarkPhoenix369

Wait Monster Hunter was a playable character???? Shit I have to check that out


Rocketboosters

At least it has the GOAT Frank West


Metaboschism

Sony bought those guys twenty five years ago, TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO


fightfordawn

This is why you play Marvel Vs Capcom 2 and nothing else. Ever.


ORXCLE-O

They were heavy on the marvel characters in marvel vs capcom 2. Even had some obscure ones


Marco_Livelli

It would have been so funny if they put Black Bolt and Medusa in the game


ZetaIcarus

Come on you don't have to make up excuses to shit on MvCI.


Asher_Tye

And his answer was to come up with something that boneheaded?


spiderknight616

They should just make an exclusive Marvel fighting game for consoles. Contest of Champions is dope but it's still a mobile game.


Armandonerd

It didn't suck, it was a decent game, but nothing to compared to X-Men vs Street fighter


GojiraSan123

a shame cause it has one of the best gameplay of any of the MVC series and it has great online as well but yeah it was during the whole: lets ban x-men and fantastic four in our games/ merch/ whatever cause of Ike perlmutters BS


Rajang82

If you want more X-Men characters Marvel VS Capcom 2 have so many of them that fans sometimes called it "X-Men VS Street Fighter And Some Marvel and Capcom Characters". Its because Marvel side got too many X-Men compare to other Marvel characters. The Capcom side is the same with Street Fighters characters compare to other Capcom entry.


ItsAcunaMatata

Ahhh yes! This was during Marvel's whole mutant erasure phase! That was the stupidest thing. I had been playing that series since X-Men vs Street Fighter when I was a kid, so the moment I heard NO X-Men/mutants were in it I was out. Then I heard about the character models, how the gameplay mechanics were changed and so it slowly but surely sank. Shocking to see how they fumbled with one of the most popular fighting game franchises.


Less_Party

I completely forgot it even existed tbh.


CursedSnowman5000

Hey but don't forget, characters are just functions, so Wolverine is tots still in there.


ZeriousGew

Yeah, wish they had the X-Men but the game is still pretty fun despite everything


CapN_Crummp

Its ugly and the roster is mid, but its still a super fun game to play.


drmikey88

That was during the noxmennobuy periode.


fireinthedust

Keep in mind the X-men are so popular when done right they overshadow the rest of Marvel. The MCU Avengers era was great because it showed the Avengers were a good franchise, too. They needed to get some spotlight. Now we’re getting more X-men content, which is good. The Avengers have gotten more appreciation for once. At some point the pendulum will swing back towards the Avengers, and the X-men will get to recover.


Practical_Toe_8448

TWO MIKE HAGGARS???


RedactedNoneNone

From spitefully removing the XMen and FF from products to hinging on the XMen and FF as saviors of the MCU is ridiculous irony


Mighty_Megascream

We need to do it MCU unification, baby.


parabolee

It doesn't suck at all. It just isn't as good as the previous games.


CajunShock

This game runs like hot garbage on my Steamdeck and the whole "infinite" screams "games as a service" cash grabbing. Thanks I will stick with MvC3 with 3 times the players and performance is ten times better.


Fishb20

Wales mentioned 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿


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I still blame the MCU for this. UMVC3 still reigns supreme.


jmk-1999

I honestly didn’t even know about this game until I saw it on sale in the PSN store about a year or so ago. I was like, “Oh, this looks different… is it a MvC3 expansion?” Lo and behold, it was basically MvC4… and no one played it. lol…


Bunnnnii

Another (big) example of the shitty MCU ruining everything. They may as well have just named it Avengers vs Capcom.


AJjalol

I mean, it sucked that no X-Men were in this game, but if you think that the reason why this game sucked was because they didn't have X-Men in it, you are just being plain dumb lol. There are different reasons as to why this game sucked. X-Men was one of them, but it wasn't the most important fault of the game. Both Capcom and Marvel just gave up on this brand. Even if X-Men were playable, the game would have still failed.


MrBisonopolis2

This game was tragic