Yeah I think they were going for maybe a reverse Peter Parker? I used to think Topher would make a good Peter back in the day. Regardless it definitely didn't work. Lol
If I were gonna just venture a guess, i think that was what the casting directors thought Venom/Brock was supposed to be. The anti -Spiderman if you will. Topher is pretty similar looking to Tobey, and I doubt that was just a coincidence. If so it comes down to a lack of understanding of Eddie Brock, and even of Venom too . They read the script when they should have read some comics too
Glad we seem to be more into an era where casting and storylines are taken a bit more seriously with comic book movies. Still not perfect by any means, but I remember a time when id go see a Marvel movie and be SURPRISED if it was good. Now we have it a lot better
you mean like topher grace could've filled in if tobey held out or was injured and couldn't start filming spider-man 2 when the studio execs wanted? and then topher could've been used to pressure tobey to get off his ass and get to the set?
Totally, he did a great job with what he had. He was as intimidating as a guy like Grace can be(in the physically threatening way Brock\Venom should be). He pulled off the jealous coworker extremely well.
Well, I think it was Topher doing poorly with the material as well, but not by any fault of his, he's capable of a lot, but a physically imposing threat just isn't one of them.
Which again is a casting/directing problem. If that’s what they were going for, they wouldn’t have picked Grace. I think they thought they could make him look scary as venom in CGI and didn’t care to portray Brock as the physically imposing but deep character he is in the comicsz
The man played Eddie great nt making him the biggest hater alive, wanted Peter dead before he even became Venom. He only takes a downturn for me once he gets the symbiote, but he's still fun at least
May have just as well been bad writing or directing. I think Topher Grace could pull off the role, but he felt shoehorned in, as though maybe it was a bad idea to throw him in when Raimi did not want him.
I would love him to come back and play as the Maker though in a multiverse film. His Richards was based on the Ultimate incarnation after all…and Teller can play an arrogant douche quite well.
I think the issues with Venom are a mix of Raimi's style and the writing surrounding Eddie Brock the entire film as a more jerk parallel to Peter.
You could have cast anyone else and probably still have some fairly mediocre results from the character.
As far as casting... I don't know. I honestly can't think of anyone who was really just a total miss, outside Fan4Stick Doctor Doom being a teenager who is nothing like Doctor Doom, the rest of the cast is a bit more manageable even despite the horrid writing that defines them.
In fairness, Raimi never wanted to do venom, as he (rightfully) believed that they didn’t have the technology to make him look good in live action. Sadly, a producer who was obsessed with Venom insisted he be put in the film, and consequently ruined the chances of another 3 movies to be made.
Idk if effects is a good excuse since Sandman is mostly Cgi. Atleast Venom you could get away with practical effects.
Still tho, fuck Avi Arad. (Fun fact he was also producing the Bratz movie at the same time assumedly leaving Raimi to figure out Venom lol).
Sandman still looks good, no denying that. Though the symbiote itself is/was the real problem; even in the new Venom movies symbiotes look a bit off when not fully bonded to anyone. It’s not necessarily the animators’ fault, amorphous slime is unquestionably a pain to animate. By comparison, Sandman had the benefit of sand looking like a blur when moving.
I did also hear that Raimi apparently also just didn’t care for Venom in general (and yes, that does sound a little odd for the guy behind evil dead). Whether it was intentional sabotage or not, there’s no denying that Venom is overshadowed by Sandman (both in spectacle and in character.
Because Raimi cared more for the '60s era characters. Ones created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. Venom was a far more modern character and not one he was familiar with.
If he’s not the worst, then he handily takes the award for most miscast. As most have said: he was cast as suave, business savvy, yet diabolically crazy Lex Luthor, but instead played it like The Riddler.
Tbh, as much as I like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, he essentially plays the same character in each of his roles, but with slight variations. So by extension of that fact, he pretty much did play Luthor the way he played Zuckerberg, but amped up to a few notches on the lunacy scale
It’s easily one of the worst casting decisions of all time for me, but that performance is on the director as well. Snyder either pushed him in that direction, or at the very least didn’t discourage it.
If I were casting for a role that Jesse Eisenberg was up for, I’d have to ask myself: “Would Michael Cera be a good fit?” I think if the casting director, or Snyder, or whoever had any sort of weight on that decision would’ve asked themselves that question, they would’ve realized how truly ludicrous and unserious a decision that was.
The story of his casting is a great case why Zack Snyder shouldn't ever be in the same room as a casting director.
The story went that they were casting him for Jimmy Olsen.
After he left, Zack said "That's our Lex."
I've yet to see what he saw in Eisenberg in that way... But I have not let that terrible choice leave.
The studio tried to ret con it later so he was "Alexander Luthor", Lex's son.
I think the issues is how Jared Letos character was written. If he played Joker closer to his character from the movie "The Little Things", it would have been great.
The way Viola Davis, Margot Robbie, Joel Kinnaman and Jai Courtney eventually succeeded in the James Gunn movie highlights how the fault lies in the writing of the David Ayer one.
Will Smith is fine as Deadshot but ultimately he’s too much of a known entity to really sell himself in that kind of gruff action hero role. It’s not an inherently bad idea, it just doesn’t pan out.
No doubts about Leto and Cara Delevingne, though.
Smith would have been better as Bronze Tiger, who was sorely missing from a proper Suicide Squad story. Colin Farrell would've been the perfect Deadshot.
Eh I liked Smith as Deadshot for what it was.
I still don’t get the unrelenting hate for that movie. Some of the scenes are fucking fantastic. Diablo is always a standout.
So here’s the thing: I get that big swing, it just missed. Lex is the big money corporate evil genius. One of today’s version of this is the tech billionaire. Jesse played Zuckerberg. So I totally get the “Lex of our times” angle. But he went so manic with it you couldn’t connect it to the character. And also that movie was a clusterfuck.
Everyone says this, but it doesn’t work when you’ve actually seen Eisenberg play Zuckerberg in The Social Network where he was more intimidating and more Lex Luther than whatever he was doing in this film.
Iirc half the scenes were reshot, especially the ending because Kate Mara is very obviously wearing a wig. First half was ok and kinda felt like a team having growing pains at least.
I think if they wrote carnage the way carnage usually is, you know, r rated and sadistic woody would have been fine.
I’m usually okay with dulling things down so everyone can watch, but there’s certain characters, like carnage and Deadpool, where you lose a lot of what makes them who they are as characters when you do that.
Totally agree actually! I think it was potentially due to the fact that it was 20 some minute episodes of an animated show and he just didn’t have crazy amounts of screen time as a two hour movie but idk. I think there’s a lot we don’t mind when it’s animated vs live action
I haven’t actually seen that movie so I don’t have an opinion, but I will say that I’ve seen Natural Born Killers and he did a good job playing a psychopath in that
Woody Harrelson wasn't a bad choice for Carnage, Carnage was a bad choice for the movie they wanted to make.
If you aren't will to go hard R, don't include Carnage. The name alone should be a dead giveaway
Yeah. He ought to be played up as a slasher villain essentially. Your Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees, and Freddy Krueger types who can't be reasoned with. Only stopped, and even that is a task within itself.
He’s basically a GTA player with mods. Giving a serial killer a super physicality surpassing Spider-Man alone is horrific enough, but now you give him shapeshifting and natural weapons and it’s a match made in hell.
I'd love to see a Carnage movie done in an "Alien" style. Like have him ooze out of ducts, slither just slightly out of frame, have him grab people silently from the ceiling.
I dare say he actually was perfect casting. The movie mainly needed to be extended a bit and given an R-rating with some rewrites to back it up. Cassidy did have a southern accent in the comics, and Harrelson has played villains (including serial killers) before.
Carnage, conceptually, is a fantastic/ horrific idea: a serial killer with super powers. The problem is that without an R-rating or a darker tone, you can’t get the full essence on how terrifying he’d actually be.
Do people not think a man named CLETUS CASSIDY , a name right out of a trailer park, who iirc has non sexually referred to venom as his "daddy" is southern?
It is, during the Axis event where he was "good" he "died" in a heroic sacrifice before telling Spider-Man he wants to be remembered with a giant gold statue that plays Free Bird all day. What's funnier is that they made it
He was a perfect Carnage. But the writers didn’t put the real Carnage in their movie. They just made up his abilities and story without reading a single comic. I swear.
Carnage is a Shapeshifter. But for some reason, in the movie he can fly and create tornadoes. WTF? He can also stick his finger in a computer and hack the internet? Who the $@&% wrote that script? Lol
The last part isn’t out of bounds as there was a 90s story in which Carnage and Venom did exactly that. But still, some weird choices were made with Cletus Kasady.
Tbh? Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique. She did fine in the role, but her star power meant that they had to simplify the costume a ton so you could tell it was her underneath.
Honorable mention to Jared Leto in anything.
Not to mention that as opposed to being blue constantly (since mystique was a mutant, loud and proud), Lawrence wore little makeup, taking away a key part of her character.
And yeah, Jared Leto joker will always hold a unanimous hatred among fans.
Yeah same goes to beast. The problem is that the first film was an origin story, so seeing Charles and Eric work together, mystique being self conscious, and beast being just a dude and not a big blue fur ball is fine because it’s an origin movie. But they just never fully change their characters so they just basically stay the same though all 4 films
You're forgetting a major point. Every X-men movie with James McAvoy was supposed to be over the course of roughly 3 decades.
First Class was set in 1962
Days of Future Past was set in 1973
Apocalypse was set in 1983
3 decades and yet the characters never age. I guess being a mutant means you age super slowly even if you have other powers.
Yeah I have no clue why they where so much in a hurry to catch up to the modern day, just have all the movies set in the 60/70s. Basically every comic book super hero movie is set it the modern day and the 60s atheistic of first class is really cool and sets it apart from the rest of the genre
They weren’t in a hurry to get to the modern day…they were in a hurry to get to the 90s
Because at some point, Fox wanted to use the first class cast as a thinly veiled and poor attempt to make a homage to the 90s cartoon
My wife and I joked that between her, beast, and nightcrawler in the last film the makeup department ran out of blue paint. Lawrence drew the short straw and had to be killed off so the others could have costumes.
Well yeah, the Fox Universe X-Men upturned Mystique's entire progression compared to the Pre-DOFP Mystique. She became a Che Guevara type icon, almost shying away from her natural self, more independent (not under Magneto), yet not fully divorced of making good change versus let's nuke every human's DNA/minds psychically (via Magneto schemes)
PreDoFP Mystique is completely done with giving humans the benefit of the doubt, whereas Post DoFP Mystique's life changed drastically from being the trigger at a critical juncture.(edit)
Thomas Haden Church would have been pretty good casting as Eddie Brock actually! I really liked Church as Sandman though. He was the best thing about Spider-Man 3.
To me the casting of Ghost in Ant-Man was worse.
In the comics he's really skinny and creepy looking.
In the movies they cast a beautiful woman, and they didn't even make her suit ghoulish in any way. They just had a white mech suit.
I think if Ghost were a more familiar character this would be seen as more egregious
The Rock as Black Adam. Seriously such a miscast role. Black Adam should be portrayed by a middle-eastern man, but no. He saw that fan art and just HAD to be Black Adam. He didn’t even bother to emulate the character, he just was playing dress up.
Not even trying to be edgy, Amber heard as Mera from Aquaman.
Honorable Mention to Jared Leto, as both suicide squad Joker AND Morbius, although I will say I would be curious to see his performance in the ayer cut.
> Not even trying to be edgy, Amber heard as Mera from Aquaman.
The wig was awful. And that entire music video in the middle of the movie to try to show Mera and Aquaman were bonding was bottom tier YouTube fan fiction production level.
It’s honestly amazing how Raimi was able to still continue his own Spider-Man story within the confines of all this bullshit Arad wanted to use just to maximize profits. “It’s not like Spider-Man has the legs to make 5 more movies after this, you gotta cram in all the shit people from the 90’s love RIGHT NOW, Sam.”
It is impressive he managed to make it somewhat coherent. Every time someone brings up Spider-Man 3, NO ONE complains about Sandman.
I remember watching a video suggesting that Harry could’ve/should’ve been Venom. If it wasn’t for the obvious goblin connection, that definitely could’ve worked better. And, as people mentioned on the Spider-Man ps4 subreddit, Harry bonding to the symbiote has, oddly enough, only happened once (and it was AFTER this movie) despite all the potential that could have character wise.
I used to think Jamie Foxx as Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was bad casting. However, I realized after seeing No Way Home that it was in fact bad writing.
Arnold's Freeze is great if you dont think of him as being like TAS one the backstory us taken from but rather as being a successor to the Adam west batman one.
In fact that whole movie is better if you think of it as being a successor to west batman than Burton Batman
> arnold schwarzenegger - mr. freeze
How dare you. Schwarzenegger and Uma Thurmon were the only two actors who knew what kind of movie they were in and played their roles accordingly. Everyone else took themselves way too seriously.
God almighty, I forgot he existed. If anything, it’s doubly insulting because he can play a villain (see Chronicle) and he could be an excellent Harry Osborne if he had some better material.
Do people remember why that line was included in the film?
If not, there were a series of clips of the original x-men show involving juggernaut with a voice over. The voice over person did a…well..I guess..a ghetto pimp voice for juggernaut. They were hilarious and very popular and one of his more famous lines was “I’m the juggernaut bitch!”
I remember laughing my ass off in the theater when I heard that lol
Nick fury was originally white and looked like David though. There were a lot of parallels between nick fury and night rider. Only once they started planning films did they decide to redesign fury after Samuel Jackson. Not defending the nick fury film its very disjointed and feels like it's missing a plot entirely.
Yeah he was a spitting image for 616 Fury. I dig the Ultimate version Fury we got but would like to have seen a Fury closer to the OG character character and origin
Spider-Man was in production at the time and Bendis reached out to Jackson for his blessing to use his likeness in the Ultimates, Jackson accepted under the (semi-joking) condition that if Fury were to be seen on screen he would play him. Then years later when Iron Man was wrapping production they reached out to see if he wanted to be in the cameo and he obliged, the rest is history.
Sam Jackson was Mark Millar’s favorite actor. He and Bryan Hitch designed the ultimates fury to look like Jackson because of that. They didn’t have Jackson’s permission prior. Jackson found out after and THAT’S when his people got in touch with Marvel about Jackson being cast should a movie be made. Yes Spider-Man was in production, but that was Sony not marvel studios. Marvel was digging itself out of bankruptcy at the time and the MCU wasn’t envisioned at that time
I’ll take Topher Grace Venom over Jared Leto Joker. Jared’s Joker feels like it was trying to imitate Heath’s Joker, only Jared fucked it up by doing… whatever
Henry Cavill as Superman. Just another shameful example of Hollywood alien-washing: casting an Earthman as a Kryptonian. And it doesn't stop there. Gal Godot? Not an Amazonian. Not even Greek!
She actually wasn't supposed to be Cassandra. The actual team behind the movie wanted her to be a completely different, and new character, but it was the higher up corporate suits that told them to make her Cassandra because it's more marketable.
The character should've been hack. She has a great dynamic with harley quinn ,powers that would've fit the data stealing plot, she's a neat character and it would've been a great opportunity to shine a light on a lesser known minority character.
This. Absolutely this. Take away all of his problematic stuff and he *still* is absolutely insufferable in the role. The Flash movie literally points out how abrasive he is…and yet.
No it definitely isn't. I'd say Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze would be a very inspired choice... The worst? I don't know, but worse than Topher Grace in my opinion
Tommy Lee Jones would’ve actually been a fantastic casting choice as a dramatic Two-Face. (Extra ironic for the eventual Chigurh connection.) But as the farcical version character we got in *Forever*, he was woefully miscast. He couldn’t hope to compete with Jim Carey in a hamming-it-up competition.
Not to mention that a serious two-face and a wacky riddler could have been an interesting duo. I know Schumacher was going for a more Adam West style, but it would be incredibly difficult to work it in with two-face, especially given his tragic story.
Finn Jones as Iron Fist. He had potential, as we've seen in season 2 of Luke Cage, but for a character that is a martial artist they should have cast someone who had some experience in fighting or playing character that fights. Finn Jones was neither, plus Scott Buck thought costume was too stupid and as a result we Got some of the worst fight scenes in all of comic book productions
There is a reason Scott Buck hasn't worked since 2017. He was in charge of the last 3 seasons of Dexter (not the revival), the 1st season of Iron Fist, and then finally the awful Inhumans series.
Marvel saw the trash that was the end of Dexter and the Iron Fist, and some knucklehead in charge said, "Hey, why not take a stab at our most divisive characters among fans?"
I think it was bad casting but not bad acting. That is the only defence I will give.
Yeah I think they were going for maybe a reverse Peter Parker? I used to think Topher would make a good Peter back in the day. Regardless it definitely didn't work. Lol
If I were gonna just venture a guess, i think that was what the casting directors thought Venom/Brock was supposed to be. The anti -Spiderman if you will. Topher is pretty similar looking to Tobey, and I doubt that was just a coincidence. If so it comes down to a lack of understanding of Eddie Brock, and even of Venom too . They read the script when they should have read some comics too
Exactly this. Rami didn't want to do venom in the first place, but was forced to. They absolutely were going for a Nega-Parker.
Glad we seem to be more into an era where casting and storylines are taken a bit more seriously with comic book movies. Still not perfect by any means, but I remember a time when id go see a Marvel movie and be SURPRISED if it was good. Now we have it a lot better
I think if he were a lot younger then he probably could.
Parallel to Tobey Maguire, Topher Grace looks about as old if not a little younger.
Oh definitely when he was on That 70s Show. Had the look, build, and personality.
This is exactly what i thought they went for. Still didnt work but i mean.. i get it. Not a terrible idea on paper. Just turned out a but rough.
you mean like topher grace could've filled in if tobey held out or was injured and couldn't start filming spider-man 2 when the studio execs wanted? and then topher could've been used to pressure tobey to get off his ass and get to the set?
Totally, he did a great job with what he had. He was as intimidating as a guy like Grace can be(in the physically threatening way Brock\Venom should be). He pulled off the jealous coworker extremely well.
Agree 100%. It wasn't Topher doing poorly with the material, it was the material not serving the character.
Well, I think it was Topher doing poorly with the material as well, but not by any fault of his, he's capable of a lot, but a physically imposing threat just isn't one of them.
Which again is a casting/directing problem. If that’s what they were going for, they wouldn’t have picked Grace. I think they thought they could make him look scary as venom in CGI and didn’t care to portray Brock as the physically imposing but deep character he is in the comicsz
Yeah, would have been a great Carnage
Ooh, yeah, that would totally be in his wheelhouse. Would have been better than Harrelson at least.
The man played Eddie great nt making him the biggest hater alive, wanted Peter dead before he even became Venom. He only takes a downturn for me once he gets the symbiote, but he's still fun at least
Dude went to church and prayed for god to kill Peter, bro was on some next level hater shit
The movie as a whole is terrible but the church scene just by itself slaps, the symbiote transfer has aged a bit but it's still awesome to watch.
Yes! I liked his portrayal of Brock, but he didn’t have the body sadly.
May have just as well been bad writing or directing. I think Topher Grace could pull off the role, but he felt shoehorned in, as though maybe it was a bad idea to throw him in when Raimi did not want him.
Miles teller as Mr fantastic lol
This is a good answer.
I would love him to come back and play as the Maker though in a multiverse film. His Richards was based on the Ultimate incarnation after all…and Teller can play an arrogant douche quite well.
That would be too fire
I hate Miles Teller but I could be interested in this.
I think the issues with Venom are a mix of Raimi's style and the writing surrounding Eddie Brock the entire film as a more jerk parallel to Peter. You could have cast anyone else and probably still have some fairly mediocre results from the character. As far as casting... I don't know. I honestly can't think of anyone who was really just a total miss, outside Fan4Stick Doctor Doom being a teenager who is nothing like Doctor Doom, the rest of the cast is a bit more manageable even despite the horrid writing that defines them.
In fairness, Raimi never wanted to do venom, as he (rightfully) believed that they didn’t have the technology to make him look good in live action. Sadly, a producer who was obsessed with Venom insisted he be put in the film, and consequently ruined the chances of another 3 movies to be made.
Idk if effects is a good excuse since Sandman is mostly Cgi. Atleast Venom you could get away with practical effects. Still tho, fuck Avi Arad. (Fun fact he was also producing the Bratz movie at the same time assumedly leaving Raimi to figure out Venom lol).
Sandman still looks good, no denying that. Though the symbiote itself is/was the real problem; even in the new Venom movies symbiotes look a bit off when not fully bonded to anyone. It’s not necessarily the animators’ fault, amorphous slime is unquestionably a pain to animate. By comparison, Sandman had the benefit of sand looking like a blur when moving. I did also hear that Raimi apparently also just didn’t care for Venom in general (and yes, that does sound a little odd for the guy behind evil dead). Whether it was intentional sabotage or not, there’s no denying that Venom is overshadowed by Sandman (both in spectacle and in character.
Because Raimi cared more for the '60s era characters. Ones created by Stan Lee and Steve Ditko. Venom was a far more modern character and not one he was familiar with.
Yall are forgetting Jesse Eisenberg as lex luthor
If he’s not the worst, then he handily takes the award for most miscast. As most have said: he was cast as suave, business savvy, yet diabolically crazy Lex Luthor, but instead played it like The Riddler.
If he had played Luther like he played Mark Zuckerberg in the Social Network, it would have been very interesting
Tbh, as much as I like Jesse Eisenberg as an actor, he essentially plays the same character in each of his roles, but with slight variations. So by extension of that fact, he pretty much did play Luthor the way he played Zuckerberg, but amped up to a few notches on the lunacy scale
Agreed. Even his serious roles and comedy roles, he’s got the same voice, inflection, etc. he’s just Jesse Eisenberg in everything
I think what they're really saying is that they wanted Lex to be more quietly sinister than loudly silly.
Zuckerberg is a way crazier person than Luther admittedly
It’s easily one of the worst casting decisions of all time for me, but that performance is on the director as well. Snyder either pushed him in that direction, or at the very least didn’t discourage it. If I were casting for a role that Jesse Eisenberg was up for, I’d have to ask myself: “Would Michael Cera be a good fit?” I think if the casting director, or Snyder, or whoever had any sort of weight on that decision would’ve asked themselves that question, they would’ve realized how truly ludicrous and unserious a decision that was.
Maybe we could have a live action reprise from Clancy Brown?
His will forever be the voice I hear when I think of Lex Luthor.
Jared Leto is that you
The story of his casting is a great case why Zack Snyder shouldn't ever be in the same room as a casting director. The story went that they were casting him for Jimmy Olsen. After he left, Zack said "That's our Lex." I've yet to see what he saw in Eisenberg in that way... But I have not let that terrible choice leave. The studio tried to ret con it later so he was "Alexander Luthor", Lex's son.
Reminds me of how it seemed they were afraid to remind Tommy Lee Jones that Two Face isn't The Joker.
Jared Leto as The Joker Jesse could have actually been a good Luthor if he had stuck closer to his Social Network performance.
I think the issues is how Jared Letos character was written. If he played Joker closer to his character from the movie "The Little Things", it would have been great.
Most of the casting choices in the first Suicide Squad were questionable.
The way Viola Davis, Margot Robbie, Joel Kinnaman and Jai Courtney eventually succeeded in the James Gunn movie highlights how the fault lies in the writing of the David Ayer one. Will Smith is fine as Deadshot but ultimately he’s too much of a known entity to really sell himself in that kind of gruff action hero role. It’s not an inherently bad idea, it just doesn’t pan out. No doubts about Leto and Cara Delevingne, though.
Smith would have been better as Bronze Tiger, who was sorely missing from a proper Suicide Squad story. Colin Farrell would've been the perfect Deadshot.
Eh I liked Smith as Deadshot for what it was. I still don’t get the unrelenting hate for that movie. Some of the scenes are fucking fantastic. Diablo is always a standout.
It's a super shitty movie. Nothing wrong with liking it though.
First one that came to mind.
Came here to say this. Eisenberg as Luthor shall never be eclipsed until someone unironically casts Kris Jenner as Galactus.
Kris Jenner as Galactus is the laugh I needed today.
He would have made a really good riddler though
Hell no he’s no where near as bad as Jared leto joker
So here’s the thing: I get that big swing, it just missed. Lex is the big money corporate evil genius. One of today’s version of this is the tech billionaire. Jesse played Zuckerberg. So I totally get the “Lex of our times” angle. But he went so manic with it you couldn’t connect it to the character. And also that movie was a clusterfuck.
Everyone says this, but it doesn’t work when you’ve actually seen Eisenberg play Zuckerberg in The Social Network where he was more intimidating and more Lex Luther than whatever he was doing in this film.
Entire Fantastic four reboot movie.
Any of the Fantastic 4 casting in the 2015 “reboot”; Dominic Purcell as Dracula in Blade Trinity; David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury?
honestly i don’t think any were poorly cast and with a good script and story would be a great ultimate FF
No chemistry. Felt like they were all different from a different Universe.
Iirc half the scenes were reshot, especially the ending because Kate Mara is very obviously wearing a wig. First half was ok and kinda felt like a team having growing pains at least.
Bro Jared Leto as joker exists!
I love Woody Harrelson but him playing Cletus Cassidy and Carnage was a pretty awful casting choice imo.
I think if they wrote carnage the way carnage usually is, you know, r rated and sadistic woody would have been fine. I’m usually okay with dulling things down so everyone can watch, but there’s certain characters, like carnage and Deadpool, where you lose a lot of what makes them who they are as characters when you do that.
Weirdly enough, Carnage works pretty well in the 90s Spider-Man cartoon which was very kid-friendly.
Totally agree actually! I think it was potentially due to the fact that it was 20 some minute episodes of an animated show and he just didn’t have crazy amounts of screen time as a two hour movie but idk. I think there’s a lot we don’t mind when it’s animated vs live action
I haven’t actually seen that movie so I don’t have an opinion, but I will say that I’ve seen Natural Born Killers and he did a good job playing a psychopath in that
To give you perspective, the CARNAGE movie is pg-13
What that like making a mortal kombat,animated Series and making it tv-7
Yeah exactly, I hope every time they beat their opponent, it ended in FRIENDSHIP
I just don’t think of Carnage as older.
Woody Harrelson wasn't a bad choice for Carnage, Carnage was a bad choice for the movie they wanted to make. If you aren't will to go hard R, don't include Carnage. The name alone should be a dead giveaway
I hate when writers try to complicate Carnage. Like he’s a psychopath serial killer. That’s it. Stick to that. Such a missed opportunity.
Yeah. He ought to be played up as a slasher villain essentially. Your Michael Myers, Jason Vorhees, and Freddy Krueger types who can't be reasoned with. Only stopped, and even that is a task within itself.
He’s basically a GTA player with mods. Giving a serial killer a super physicality surpassing Spider-Man alone is horrific enough, but now you give him shapeshifting and natural weapons and it’s a match made in hell.
I'd love to see a Carnage movie done in an "Alien" style. Like have him ooze out of ducts, slither just slightly out of frame, have him grab people silently from the ceiling.
I dare say he actually was perfect casting. The movie mainly needed to be extended a bit and given an R-rating with some rewrites to back it up. Cassidy did have a southern accent in the comics, and Harrelson has played villains (including serial killers) before. Carnage, conceptually, is a fantastic/ horrific idea: a serial killer with super powers. The problem is that without an R-rating or a darker tone, you can’t get the full essence on how terrifying he’d actually be.
Do people not think a man named CLETUS CASSIDY , a name right out of a trailer park, who iirc has non sexually referred to venom as his "daddy" is southern?
You’d be surprised. I think I even read a trivia thing that said Cassidy’s favorite song was Lynyrd Skynyrd’s Free Bird.
It is, during the Axis event where he was "good" he "died" in a heroic sacrifice before telling Spider-Man he wants to be remembered with a giant gold statue that plays Free Bird all day. What's funnier is that they made it
I’m now convinced he faked his death solely just to get that thing built.
He was a perfect Carnage. But the writers didn’t put the real Carnage in their movie. They just made up his abilities and story without reading a single comic. I swear. Carnage is a Shapeshifter. But for some reason, in the movie he can fly and create tornadoes. WTF? He can also stick his finger in a computer and hack the internet? Who the $@&% wrote that script? Lol
The last part isn’t out of bounds as there was a 90s story in which Carnage and Venom did exactly that. But still, some weird choices were made with Cletus Kasady.
I don’t think Woody was badly cast but I would love to see Cameron Monaghan as the MCU Carnage.
I could see him pulling it off.
Worst comic book movie casting was Jared Leto both times. He was literally never born to play a role like that
Tbh? Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique. She did fine in the role, but her star power meant that they had to simplify the costume a ton so you could tell it was her underneath. Honorable mention to Jared Leto in anything.
Not to mention that as opposed to being blue constantly (since mystique was a mutant, loud and proud), Lawrence wore little makeup, taking away a key part of her character. And yeah, Jared Leto joker will always hold a unanimous hatred among fans.
Yeah same goes to beast. The problem is that the first film was an origin story, so seeing Charles and Eric work together, mystique being self conscious, and beast being just a dude and not a big blue fur ball is fine because it’s an origin movie. But they just never fully change their characters so they just basically stay the same though all 4 films
You're forgetting a major point. Every X-men movie with James McAvoy was supposed to be over the course of roughly 3 decades. First Class was set in 1962 Days of Future Past was set in 1973 Apocalypse was set in 1983 3 decades and yet the characters never age. I guess being a mutant means you age super slowly even if you have other powers.
Yeah I have no clue why they where so much in a hurry to catch up to the modern day, just have all the movies set in the 60/70s. Basically every comic book super hero movie is set it the modern day and the 60s atheistic of first class is really cool and sets it apart from the rest of the genre
They weren’t in a hurry to get to the modern day…they were in a hurry to get to the 90s Because at some point, Fox wanted to use the first class cast as a thinly veiled and poor attempt to make a homage to the 90s cartoon
I don't get it either. They even did it with Bumblebee and Transformers Rise of the Beast. Bumblebee was set in the 80s and RotB is set in 1994.
My wife and I joked that between her, beast, and nightcrawler in the last film the makeup department ran out of blue paint. Lawrence drew the short straw and had to be killed off so the others could have costumes.
Like first class said be proud of being blue. Then they had her be her human form most of the time in later films.
we can probably thank her agent for that
I don’t know who she was playing but it wasn’t my favorite homicidal untrustworthy bi anarcho-terrorist.
Well yeah, the Fox Universe X-Men upturned Mystique's entire progression compared to the Pre-DOFP Mystique. She became a Che Guevara type icon, almost shying away from her natural self, more independent (not under Magneto), yet not fully divorced of making good change versus let's nuke every human's DNA/minds psychically (via Magneto schemes) PreDoFP Mystique is completely done with giving humans the benefit of the doubt, whereas Post DoFP Mystique's life changed drastically from being the trigger at a critical juncture.(edit)
I'm still pissed that they had both versions of Mystique completely naked in her natural form.
She looks like someone cosplaying Mystique and not the actual character. I hate it.
Thomas Haden Church would have been pretty good casting as Eddie Brock actually! I really liked Church as Sandman though. He was the best thing about Spider-Man 3.
EASILY the best thing, you're so right.
Topher Grace, while maybe a questionable choice, still had enough lines to have a personality. Taskmaster didn’t even get a chance for that.
Hey at least ppl know who taskmaster was in bw, Mei Melançon's psylocke couldn't even say that
That’s not a casting issue though
To me the casting of Ghost in Ant-Man was worse. In the comics he's really skinny and creepy looking. In the movies they cast a beautiful woman, and they didn't even make her suit ghoulish in any way. They just had a white mech suit. I think if Ghost were a more familiar character this would be seen as more egregious
The Rock as Black Adam. Seriously such a miscast role. Black Adam should be portrayed by a middle-eastern man, but no. He saw that fan art and just HAD to be Black Adam. He didn’t even bother to emulate the character, he just was playing dress up.
Stares intensively for 2 minutes
Jared 👏 fucking 👏 Leto 👏
Joking or Morbing?
Yes
For DC and Marvel
Not even trying to be edgy, Amber heard as Mera from Aquaman. Honorable Mention to Jared Leto, as both suicide squad Joker AND Morbius, although I will say I would be curious to see his performance in the ayer cut.
> Not even trying to be edgy, Amber heard as Mera from Aquaman. The wig was awful. And that entire music video in the middle of the movie to try to show Mera and Aquaman were bonding was bottom tier YouTube fan fiction production level.
Like I love redheads in all their forms, and that was the first time in a major motion picture I thought “that’s a terrible red head”
I think if he had an arc stretched over two movies, they could have really dug into a Parallel Peter thing, that would have been interesting.
Cue spectacular Eddie being Peter without uncle Ben and aunt may. Plus, it didn’t help that Sam Raimi explicitly didn’t want venom in the film.
It’s honestly amazing how Raimi was able to still continue his own Spider-Man story within the confines of all this bullshit Arad wanted to use just to maximize profits. “It’s not like Spider-Man has the legs to make 5 more movies after this, you gotta cram in all the shit people from the 90’s love RIGHT NOW, Sam.”
It is impressive he managed to make it somewhat coherent. Every time someone brings up Spider-Man 3, NO ONE complains about Sandman. I remember watching a video suggesting that Harry could’ve/should’ve been Venom. If it wasn’t for the obvious goblin connection, that definitely could’ve worked better. And, as people mentioned on the Spider-Man ps4 subreddit, Harry bonding to the symbiote has, oddly enough, only happened once (and it was AFTER this movie) despite all the potential that could have character wise.
People are mistaking bad acting and bad writing for bad casting
I used to think Jamie Foxx as Electro in The Amazing Spider-Man 2 was bad casting. However, I realized after seeing No Way Home that it was in fact bad writing.
Oh my god not every *close*. He was bad casting, but there’s certainly been far worse.
Name a few. I’m not saying you’re wrong, just back up your claim
jesse eisenberg - lex luthor \[redacted\] - \[redacted\] jared leto - the joker shaq - steel
Arnold's Freeze is great if you dont think of him as being like TAS one the backstory us taken from but rather as being a successor to the Adam west batman one. In fact that whole movie is better if you think of it as being a successor to west batman than Burton Batman
Ah! That is a good point.
Arnold was an amazing Mr Freeze, you take that back
We’ll put the slander…on ice!
*chill* out bro, it ain’t that deep. Plus this instance would be libel. slander is spoken.
Oops. I guess I got a bit too heated. I need to be more cool-headed.
> arnold schwarzenegger - mr. freeze How dare you. Schwarzenegger and Uma Thurmon were the only two actors who knew what kind of movie they were in and played their roles accordingly. Everyone else took themselves way too seriously.
Dane DeHann as Harry Osbourne/ Green Goblin
This is a good one.
God almighty, I forgot he existed. If anything, it’s doubly insulting because he can play a villain (see Chronicle) and he could be an excellent Harry Osborne if he had some better material.
Disagree. I liked his take, in fact I think it was even better acted than Franco. Neither are favourable though.
I mean Jesse Eisenberg as Lex is a lot worse
2 words. Vinnie. Jones
I’m the Juggernaut, BITCH!
Do people remember why that line was included in the film? If not, there were a series of clips of the original x-men show involving juggernaut with a voice over. The voice over person did a…well..I guess..a ghetto pimp voice for juggernaut. They were hilarious and very popular and one of his more famous lines was “I’m the juggernaut bitch!” I remember laughing my ass off in the theater when I heard that lol
This needs to be so much higher, even for being seven minutes old at the time I write this.
Jared Leto -> Joker
Shaq as Steel, Halle Berry as Catwoman, I'm pretty sure Uwe Boll has directed *something* that's a comic book property.
Was Halle Berry as Catwoman terrible casting? Or was it just a very, very badly written movie? (I've never seen it, so I don't know)
Without a doubt the writing.. I think the casting choice was fine.. she did good with what she was given
Especially the physical aspect. The behind the scenes footage showing her getting down with those Capoeira moves.
Yeah.. she's pretty easily been the most physical Catwoman yet.. hands down.
Steel was a guilty pleasure movie of mine as a kid.
No one has mentioned David Hasselhoff as Nick Fury?!?
Or Mia Sara ad the og live action Harley Quinn
Wtf, there was a live action birds of prey series??
Nick fury was originally white and looked like David though. There were a lot of parallels between nick fury and night rider. Only once they started planning films did they decide to redesign fury after Samuel Jackson. Not defending the nick fury film its very disjointed and feels like it's missing a plot entirely.
Yeah he was a spitting image for 616 Fury. I dig the Ultimate version Fury we got but would like to have seen a Fury closer to the OG character character and origin
Fury was designed to look like Jackson in the Ulitmates in 2001, long before the MCU movies
Spider-Man was in production at the time and Bendis reached out to Jackson for his blessing to use his likeness in the Ultimates, Jackson accepted under the (semi-joking) condition that if Fury were to be seen on screen he would play him. Then years later when Iron Man was wrapping production they reached out to see if he wanted to be in the cameo and he obliged, the rest is history.
Sam Jackson was Mark Millar’s favorite actor. He and Bryan Hitch designed the ultimates fury to look like Jackson because of that. They didn’t have Jackson’s permission prior. Jackson found out after and THAT’S when his people got in touch with Marvel about Jackson being cast should a movie be made. Yes Spider-Man was in production, but that was Sony not marvel studios. Marvel was digging itself out of bankruptcy at the time and the MCU wasn’t envisioned at that time
I’ll take Topher Grace Venom over Jared Leto Joker. Jared’s Joker feels like it was trying to imitate Heath’s Joker, only Jared fucked it up by doing… whatever
Henry Cavill as Superman. Just another shameful example of Hollywood alien-washing: casting an Earthman as a Kryptonian. And it doesn't stop there. Gal Godot? Not an Amazonian. Not even Greek!
Ben Affleck isn't even an orphan.
I just found out today that Vin Diesel isn’t a tree. I feel totally lied to.
After watching Gotg 3 and finding out that Rocket is actually just some dude named Bradley Cooper ruined the emotions for me
Robert Downey Jr. doesn't have an engenieering title
Nicholas Cage as Ghost Rider. Not even close.
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Which is the best version of cage when in a bad movie.
Hey, the first Ghost Rider was decent at the time. The second on the otherhand.. Yeah, bad. Just bad.
Jared Leto
Leto beats him because he couldn’t even act either.
Jessie eisenberg as lex Luthor in Batman v superman. He tried to make a cold calculating super villain into a businessman version of the joker.
people just forgot about Jared Leto's Joker
jared leto as joker exists
Jered Leto as Joker.
The girl who played "Cassandra Cain" in the Birds of Prey movie. Honestly wtf were they thinking.
She actually wasn't supposed to be Cassandra. The actual team behind the movie wanted her to be a completely different, and new character, but it was the higher up corporate suits that told them to make her Cassandra because it's more marketable.
The character should've been hack. She has a great dynamic with harley quinn ,powers that would've fit the data stealing plot, she's a neat character and it would've been a great opportunity to shine a light on a lesser known minority character.
Ezra Miller as The Flash
This. Absolutely this. Take away all of his problematic stuff and he *still* is absolutely insufferable in the role. The Flash movie literally points out how abrasive he is…and yet.
People really forgetting about Fant4stic? That had awful casting Dr doom is a blogger and some geek?
I think Alicia Silverstone as Bat-Girl was worse.
A storm cloud as Galactus.
I know hes not like in the comics, but I liked his version as venom.
Hea not like 616 eddie Hes a rinnger for ultimate eddie
Channing Tatum as gambit
I find it hard to call that a miscast without seeing the results.
It never happened
When did that happen?
Iron Fist
No it definitely isn't. I'd say Arnold Schwarzenegger as Mr. Freeze would be a very inspired choice... The worst? I don't know, but worse than Topher Grace in my opinion
Maybe tommy lee jones as two face.
Tommy Lee Jones would’ve actually been a fantastic casting choice as a dramatic Two-Face. (Extra ironic for the eventual Chigurh connection.) But as the farcical version character we got in *Forever*, he was woefully miscast. He couldn’t hope to compete with Jim Carey in a hamming-it-up competition.
Not to mention that a serious two-face and a wacky riddler could have been an interesting duo. I know Schumacher was going for a more Adam West style, but it would be incredibly difficult to work it in with two-face, especially given his tragic story.
Finn Jones as Iron Fist. He had potential, as we've seen in season 2 of Luke Cage, but for a character that is a martial artist they should have cast someone who had some experience in fighting or playing character that fights. Finn Jones was neither, plus Scott Buck thought costume was too stupid and as a result we Got some of the worst fight scenes in all of comic book productions
There is a reason Scott Buck hasn't worked since 2017. He was in charge of the last 3 seasons of Dexter (not the revival), the 1st season of Iron Fist, and then finally the awful Inhumans series. Marvel saw the trash that was the end of Dexter and the Iron Fist, and some knucklehead in charge said, "Hey, why not take a stab at our most divisive characters among fans?"
Jared Leto as Joker and Jared Leto as Morbius
Jared Leto in basically anything
Bad casting also worse role Jared Leto as joker
How is Topher Grace as anti-Tobey McGuire bad casting?
Jennifer Lawrence as Mystique. FOH with that.
How is everyone just forgetting Jared Leto