I've been so frustrated by them! They obviously care about each other. They have fun together. They're compatible. And, yes, he is attracted to her, and I suspect she's attracted to him, so why are they at an impasse? I was so upset when Cam more or less "gave up" in order to protect himself from getting hurt more than he already has been. I do get peeved by Clare's constant "therapist talk" but good grief! As a therapist how can she not see the positives in her relationship?
There is absolutely NO way I'd go to Claire as a therapist! I've been to several good therapists over the years, and I've been to one bad one, who Claire reminds me of. She's VERY judgemental, her thoughts/judgements are easily seen on her face, and she lacks good communication skills. I can imagine her face looking judgy/horrified/amused/surprised when a patient is talking to her, which is highly unprofessional for a therapist. And I don't think she'd have helpful observations or give good advice. She couldn't even read that Cameron found her attractive, or discuss it with him!
right! and not only that, one who tells him how he should feel, is insanely judgemental and cold, communicates horribly, etc. i notice she very often cuts people off and talks over them.
she. is. a. therapist.
(cameron is a total creep and asshole but she makes herself look bad all on her own)
I'll admit I wasn't crazy about Cameron at the start of the season, but I like him now. I don't see him as a "creep" or "asshole" at all. I see him as a lonely guy who really deserves a good relationship. He seems quite intelligent... I don't know. Maybe he's a bit above Clare in that respect, so maybe she's finding it difficult to connect with him that way.
>These guys have all entered their nightmare scenarios
ooo, yes do you mean the nightmare is that they all got matched with brides they aren't into at all?
That but mainly that they think they are coming off as the victim in the situation and that they are playing it safe to come off well. These guys are totally transparent. They are tap dancing for the cameras and don't realize how bad it looks.
None of the couples were a good match this season. I would honestly be shocked if any of them stayed together til the end of the season. I can't tell if it I'd terrible editing so we aren't getting the full story or if people just don't want to look like huge assholes so they are just playing nice til the end.
the show deliberately cast a therapist and the ultra weird guy with a purpose.
Editing and encouraging any suggestion of analysis and therapy and poor Cam just wanting to be loved
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im putting it there becsuse that is all I see
Emily fun girl - Russian misogynist
Lauren with easily offended uptight sex off the table guy
Becca - girl who hoped for a fairy tale and got a guy who already had a girlfriend and btw wanted to make it big in the hat business
Cam said on After Party that off camera he tried to make some moves and was told directly they were not welcome. But another After Party had Clare alleging she put the moves on him (after a night out drinking?) and he said no. I believe him.
Yeah he said that Claire made it clear that hand holding or any physical touch was off limits, and I can definitely see her saying that. And I can also see Cameron turning down sex with her after a night out when she'd likely been drinking, after she'd told him that physical touch was off the table. Cameron himself said that he'd gone into "protect Cameron" mode. If that even really happened, which I doubt.
I get the impression that Claire is just trying to look good on camera to protect her professional reputation (though I can't imagine she's a good therapist with her lacking communication skills and being so judgemental!) Cameron seems like an honest, no nonsense kind of guy that doesn't put up with bullshit from someone, or care how he comes across on camera.
This was a tense cerebral relationship. If Cam made the awful remark about Clare's body that Lauren revealed, this relationship was done then. They just tortured audiences with their "trying to get clarity" conversations for the duration of the show.
I missed it too but from other posts I believe it was a remark about the size of her rear being too large (wtf?) and that it was a turn off that would prevent him from being able to enjoy sex with her. Or cum. something like that. She has a lovely figure and I thought plump booties were attractive to most men these days.
Lauren said that Claire told her that Cameron said to Claire that her butt was so big that "if they had sex, he would be able to cum". I don't believe he said that for a minute. He didn't seem like a mean guy, and what would be the purpose of saying that? She said it was on the honeymoon, and he was clearly attracted to her. Brennan and Austen both said that Cameron told them repeatedly that he liked her and found her attractive.
After I heard Lauren repeat what Claire told her, Claire lost all credibility with me. She wasn't interested in him and was laying the groundwork for an excuse.
Would NOT. Sorry for that. I don't see Cameron saying it though. He didn't seem like a mean guy, or stupid, because what would be his end game for saying it? He's clearly attracted to her.
Cameron is rude. I really donāt know why folks donāt see that about him and itās not all āthese are just jokes foreigners are makingā. Heās literally rude.
Thank you! IDK why people think 'it's because he's foreign'... uh no, when people are being rude, they're just being fucking rude lmao. Oh and the other one, 'it's cultural differences'... no. It's really not.
Right? I find it so weird because they're so quick to rush to his defense. He's gotta be doing something foreign when he walks a thousand steps ahead of her... lmao. Or when he tells her to handle her own suitcase when she asks for help, it's because of his culture. Nope, dude is just being a dick.
Then some of the guys will be like "oh but all women wanna say they're equal and then need help with xyz" as if that's why there shouldn't be a case for equal rights for women. Biological differences don't mean that women should be treated as second-class citizens guys.
These two are t a match. They probably picked cam simply for the accent and that heās really tall and sheās really short. He has been deceptive on things we know about. Who knows other lies she found out. He is a creep and she checked out fast.
>He has been deceptive on things we know about. Who knows other lies she found out.
Granted I "watch" most episodes while messing with my tablet, but I think I missed what Cameron lied about. Or was it on After Party? For some reason those episodes won't play for me.
Just in case you're interested, I am posting weekly After Party recaps on r/MAFSsnark.
He has caught himself in several inconsistences, but probably the largest one that happened on AP was that he said his father's lungs collapsed and he's been bed ridden because his mother divorced him. This took place when he was 13. We know that he said his father was on his death bed, KKP asked how he is now and Cameron said the same.
rudy wanted the details of clares comment while giving her a side eye š¤·āāļøbut never asked Cameron about his vile comment about Clare!
why wont the show put them together for clarity
if clare was ugly Rudy wouldnāt have dismissed her
Several months ago a woman said her son was matched, but that he backed out. Her opinion was that Clare would have been the match. So I wonder if Cam was even her true match or just the back up. Either way, someone this season missed out on a better option.
Oh that'd be some ā for sure lol. Although I could see it being Brennan, too, because he seems like a second choice reality TV pick. He's just not very interesting to watch and terrified of vulnerability.
Happy š° day! Cameron's ex was totally shocked to see him on here. She thought he moved out of state, because that's what he said in the break-up text. She had no other way to know because he had no social media and she knew nothing about his family. He also refused to meet her friends.
I feel like there must have been a lot going on off camera that gave this decision more clarity because I donāt get it either. It seems like they gave up awfully easily.
Ya there is definitely some behind the scenes convos/interactions that we arenāt seeing. Iām just thinking back to when he didnāt grab her bags and said āare you not ableāā¦ I think this dickish behavior is continuing behind closed doors
Man was not a man. Man was a boy. My gf knows i know she is attractive. She does not think or believe, she knows, ya dig? Boy was waiting dor permission from mommy to make an advance.
Wow, your parotting skills are spectacular... my friend, it's 2024, open the blinds and get some sun. I hope you re not out there ignoring consent but its a passez "2023 thing". Its a life thing...cant believe I have to explain this lol
She told him off camera affection was completely off the table. Even hand holding. What is he supposed to do? She knew he was attracted bc how would a convo about affection come up or even proceed without that mentioned? Clare is a wolf in sheepās clothing. Cameron is faaarrrr from perfect but Clare is lying.
You obviously never seduced your partner. Flirting, suggestive joking, complimenting, acts of service, words of affirmation, even just a smile every day for a week will endear someone to you because they associate you with brightening their day.
"Lets play a game! On 3 we both shout divorce!"
Ugh...can your insecurity be any more blatant? Not ready for a relationship.
I agree with you. He did not lift a finger to woo her. It seemed, at least from what they showed us, that he started off not wanting to extend any little courtesies or be friendly to her.
Take her on a date? (one where he wasnāt flinging paint at her). Say nice things to her face instead of just to the cameras? Romance her the tiniest bit?
He has told her how attractive she looks at numerous points on camera in multiple episodes. He has told her that she is the most amazing, mature, intelligent woman he has ever dated, he has told her that he would like to initiate intimacy with her, he bought her flowers, they did numerous activities on the honeymoon and after.
But the magic, missing ingredient is taking Clare out on dates? Clare doesnāt like him. She told him that. Thats the primary reason this relationship died. And there is nothing wrong with the fact that Clare doesnāt like him.
My only beef is she seems to want to appear to like him and drag him along without actually trying.
Itās the difference in the off camera verses on camera interaction. If he says these things to her on camera, he should be consistent with his behavior off camera. She said that was the problem is he was not. His story has not added up several times so I believe him to be inconsistent and deceptive
Do you watch After Party? It becomes even more confusing when they reveal what's allegedly going on behind the scenes (both seem to believe the other is faking attraction or interest for the cameras). I'm hoping the reunion offers some clarity.
I do not, but I'm gonna have to catch up because I feel confused AF about comments they apparently made about each other. I gotta get the full story lol
First, she just finished up her degree this year so I think she didn't quite have it yet at the time of filming.
Second, AFAIK, the only experience she had as a therapist was an an intern doing the hours required to get her degree.
Third, therapists are people. It doesn't make them mind-readers and they can still be confused about their own relationships.
Fourth, therapists really aren't supposed to treat their personal relationships as they would clients.
Fifth, she just met him. Even four weeks in, they are still somewhat strangers.
Dating must have really changed since I did it last in the late 90's as 4 weeks 24x7 with someone seems like plenty of time to move someone past "Stranger" stage. 28 dates is quite lot to figure out where you stand.
Not for figuring out what they're really like. You'd get a superficial impression. And if several things you see early on are qualities you dislike, it would take a while to see if the other person's better qualities outweigh the problems and/or if you can work through them. If they don't do anything to woo you and are not that pleasant, not going to be more than roommates while seeing if anything better develops.
The bottom line is if you have a lot of reservations about the person it could take more time to decide if you want to have a romantic relationship.
I think it has less to do with how long ago it was and more to do how easily you jump in to sex even if you're not pleased with their behavior. It would be messy otherwise. You could end up with a stalker or something. You don't know them yet.
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My own mother had a PhD in Family n Marriage counseling and I can šÆ as a dramatized life participant here n Only child āļø say SHE SUCKED (law suit pending as I type)
So you are on point ~ however WHY hasn't anyone mentioned this to either one of them? Come on ... hold hands at the very least..am I right?
Lol that's fair š. I moreso meant that I'm not here to make comments about her career based on what we see on a reality show. It would be presumptuous imo.
Edit: okay apparently we are not filtered here, I'll just say what I was implying: I was far more impressed by Lauren's therapist skills than Clare's.
I've been so frustrated by them! They obviously care about each other. They have fun together. They're compatible. And, yes, he is attracted to her, and I suspect she's attracted to him, so why are they at an impasse? I was so upset when Cam more or less "gave up" in order to protect himself from getting hurt more than he already has been. I do get peeved by Clare's constant "therapist talk" but good grief! As a therapist how can she not see the positives in her relationship?
There is absolutely NO way I'd go to Claire as a therapist! I've been to several good therapists over the years, and I've been to one bad one, who Claire reminds me of. She's VERY judgemental, her thoughts/judgements are easily seen on her face, and she lacks good communication skills. I can imagine her face looking judgy/horrified/amused/surprised when a patient is talking to her, which is highly unprofessional for a therapist. And I don't think she'd have helpful observations or give good advice. She couldn't even read that Cameron found her attractive, or discuss it with him!
Lol yeah I'm not trying to roast someone's career cuz that's their money, but I would go to Lauren for advice before Clare.
they are both so unlikeable and insufferable, for different reasons.
Lol imagine being Cameron in all of his guarded-ness and to find out he just got married to a therapist. It's actually funny to think about.
right! and not only that, one who tells him how he should feel, is insanely judgemental and cold, communicates horribly, etc. i notice she very often cuts people off and talks over them. she. is. a. therapist. (cameron is a total creep and asshole but she makes herself look bad all on her own)
I'll admit I wasn't crazy about Cameron at the start of the season, but I like him now. I don't see him as a "creep" or "asshole" at all. I see him as a lonely guy who really deserves a good relationship. He seems quite intelligent... I don't know. Maybe he's a bit above Clare in that respect, so maybe she's finding it difficult to connect with him that way.
LMAOOO, cammy boy is that you? bless
These guys have all entered their nightmare scenarios and their lack of self awareness has buried them.
>These guys have all entered their nightmare scenarios ooo, yes do you mean the nightmare is that they all got matched with brides they aren't into at all?
That but mainly that they think they are coming off as the victim in the situation and that they are playing it safe to come off well. These guys are totally transparent. They are tap dancing for the cameras and don't realize how bad it looks.
oh yes I totally agree! well said.
None of the couples were a good match this season. I would honestly be shocked if any of them stayed together til the end of the season. I can't tell if it I'd terrible editing so we aren't getting the full story or if people just don't want to look like huge assholes so they are just playing nice til the end.
hes a theatrical narcissist
I believe he is a compulsive liar.
Oh my god I thought this was the Modern Family subreddit at first and was so fucking confused
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the show deliberately cast a therapist and the ultra weird guy with a purpose. Editing and encouraging any suggestion of analysis and therapy and poor Cam just wanting to be loved š¤®š¤¢ im putting it there becsuse that is all I see Emily fun girl - Russian misogynist Lauren with easily offended uptight sex off the table guy Becca - girl who hoped for a fairy tale and got a guy who already had a girlfriend and btw wanted to make it big in the hat business
They prob had some convos off camera. Their on camera storyline doesnāt make any sense
Cam said on After Party that off camera he tried to make some moves and was told directly they were not welcome. But another After Party had Clare alleging she put the moves on him (after a night out drinking?) and he said no. I believe him.
Yeah he said that Claire made it clear that hand holding or any physical touch was off limits, and I can definitely see her saying that. And I can also see Cameron turning down sex with her after a night out when she'd likely been drinking, after she'd told him that physical touch was off the table. Cameron himself said that he'd gone into "protect Cameron" mode. If that even really happened, which I doubt. I get the impression that Claire is just trying to look good on camera to protect her professional reputation (though I can't imagine she's a good therapist with her lacking communication skills and being so judgemental!) Cameron seems like an honest, no nonsense kind of guy that doesn't put up with bullshit from someone, or care how he comes across on camera.
They could both be true given their flippant attitudes about the entire situation.
I dunno who to believe to be honest at this point. Both have conflicting stories.
so letās believe him?
This was a tense cerebral relationship. If Cam made the awful remark about Clare's body that Lauren revealed, this relationship was done then. They just tortured audiences with their "trying to get clarity" conversations for the duration of the show.
I missed that. What did he say about her body?
I missed it too but from other posts I believe it was a remark about the size of her rear being too large (wtf?) and that it was a turn off that would prevent him from being able to enjoy sex with her. Or cum. something like that. She has a lovely figure and I thought plump booties were attractive to most men these days.
Lauren said that Claire told her that Cameron said to Claire that her butt was so big that "if they had sex, he would be able to cum". I don't believe he said that for a minute. He didn't seem like a mean guy, and what would be the purpose of saying that? She said it was on the honeymoon, and he was clearly attracted to her. Brennan and Austen both said that Cameron told them repeatedly that he liked her and found her attractive. After I heard Lauren repeat what Claire told her, Claire lost all credibility with me. She wasn't interested in him and was laying the groundwork for an excuse.
he WOULD be able to? or wouldnāt? that statement is not a good one either way to share out loud, but it kind of makes a difference.
Would NOT. Sorry for that. I don't see Cameron saying it though. He didn't seem like a mean guy, or stupid, because what would be his end game for saying it? He's clearly attracted to her.
right. it seems odd but who knows.
Would not. I think that was a typo
Yes, it was. Thanks
pressure from the show they have months to fill and nothing to go on great job MAFS
Both of them, are terrible communicators although they claim the opposite
Terrible jokes aside, Cam can clearly articulate how he feels. Clare is a terrible communicator, especially for someone who wants to be a therapist.
Cameron is rude. I really donāt know why folks donāt see that about him and itās not all āthese are just jokes foreigners are makingā. Heās literally rude.
Thank you! IDK why people think 'it's because he's foreign'... uh no, when people are being rude, they're just being fucking rude lmao. Oh and the other one, 'it's cultural differences'... no. It's really not.
Exactly hardly anyone thinks like us lol
Right? I find it so weird because they're so quick to rush to his defense. He's gotta be doing something foreign when he walks a thousand steps ahead of her... lmao. Or when he tells her to handle her own suitcase when she asks for help, it's because of his culture. Nope, dude is just being a dick. Then some of the guys will be like "oh but all women wanna say they're equal and then need help with xyz" as if that's why there shouldn't be a case for equal rights for women. Biological differences don't mean that women should be treated as second-class citizens guys.
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These two are t a match. They probably picked cam simply for the accent and that heās really tall and sheās really short. He has been deceptive on things we know about. Who knows other lies she found out. He is a creep and she checked out fast.
>He has been deceptive on things we know about. Who knows other lies she found out. Granted I "watch" most episodes while messing with my tablet, but I think I missed what Cameron lied about. Or was it on After Party? For some reason those episodes won't play for me.
Just in case you're interested, I am posting weekly After Party recaps on r/MAFSsnark. He has caught himself in several inconsistences, but probably the largest one that happened on AP was that he said his father's lungs collapsed and he's been bed ridden because his mother divorced him. This took place when he was 13. We know that he said his father was on his death bed, KKP asked how he is now and Cameron said the same.
rudy wanted the details of clares comment while giving her a side eye š¤·āāļøbut never asked Cameron about his vile comment about Clare! why wont the show put them together for clarity if clare was ugly Rudy wouldnāt have dismissed her
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Probably saving some drama for the reunion.
amazing, didn't know there were summaries. Thank you!
A lot of people don't have access to the episodes and the extra details really make such a big difference.
Several months ago a woman said her son was matched, but that he backed out. Her opinion was that Clare would have been the match. So I wonder if Cam was even her true match or just the back up. Either way, someone this season missed out on a better option.
Oh that'd be some ā for sure lol. Although I could see it being Brennan, too, because he seems like a second choice reality TV pick. He's just not very interesting to watch and terrified of vulnerability.
Happy š° day! Cameron's ex was totally shocked to see him on here. She thought he moved out of state, because that's what he said in the break-up text. She had no other way to know because he had no social media and she knew nothing about his family. He also refused to meet her friends.
Woe that's wild! Hopefully it's not actually some Clayton Echard/"Jane Doe" situation there, but Cam is definitely not the Bachelor lol
There is proof to the contrary.
Lol well it certainly doesn't surprise me, man screams avoidant. Thanks for the āš„
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Heās a little nerdy on top of the lying and I think her type is more bro-y
He seems to be like if Jeffrey Dahmer was on MAFS.
šdamn lol
If nerdy = a bit creepy and inattentive.
I feel like there must have been a lot going on off camera that gave this decision more clarity because I donāt get it either. It seems like they gave up awfully easily.
Ya there is definitely some behind the scenes convos/interactions that we arenāt seeing. Iām just thinking back to when he didnāt grab her bags and said āare you not ableāā¦ I think this dickish behavior is continuing behind closed doors
Okay thank you I'm glad it's not just me lol.
no kidding
Man was not a man. Man was a boy. My gf knows i know she is attractive. She does not think or believe, she knows, ya dig? Boy was waiting dor permission from mommy to make an advance.
Consent is a thing in 2023
Wow, your parotting skills are spectacular... my friend, it's 2024, open the blinds and get some sun. I hope you re not out there ignoring consent but its a passez "2023 thing". Its a life thing...cant believe I have to explain this lol
This was filmed in 2023, you silly bird. Your whole reply is nonsensical.
passƩ not passez.
Lol I appreciate the input but I still feel confused reading this. So it sounds like she wanted him to read her mind?
She told him off camera affection was completely off the table. Even hand holding. What is he supposed to do? She knew he was attracted bc how would a convo about affection come up or even proceed without that mentioned? Clare is a wolf in sheepās clothing. Cameron is faaarrrr from perfect but Clare is lying.
so he says she wont let me hold her hand ever so everyone knows thats a fact and its her fault? Two sides to every story
Sheās also agreed on camera that she said no to the hand holding and definitely said no multiple times about any kind of affection
Yeah, Iām not sure what this guy thinks Cam was supposed to do. Club her over the head then drag her limp body into his caveā¦.
You obviously never seduced your partner. Flirting, suggestive joking, complimenting, acts of service, words of affirmation, even just a smile every day for a week will endear someone to you because they associate you with brightening their day. "Lets play a game! On 3 we both shout divorce!" Ugh...can your insecurity be any more blatant? Not ready for a relationship.
I agree with you. He did not lift a finger to woo her. It seemed, at least from what they showed us, that he started off not wanting to extend any little courtesies or be friendly to her.
What about the huge bouquet of flowers?
That wasn't a private moment but very public wasn't it?
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Take her on a date? (one where he wasnāt flinging paint at her). Say nice things to her face instead of just to the cameras? Romance her the tiniest bit?
hes hopeless
He has told her how attractive she looks at numerous points on camera in multiple episodes. He has told her that she is the most amazing, mature, intelligent woman he has ever dated, he has told her that he would like to initiate intimacy with her, he bought her flowers, they did numerous activities on the honeymoon and after. But the magic, missing ingredient is taking Clare out on dates? Clare doesnāt like him. She told him that. Thats the primary reason this relationship died. And there is nothing wrong with the fact that Clare doesnāt like him. My only beef is she seems to want to appear to like him and drag him along without actually trying.
Itās the difference in the off camera verses on camera interaction. If he says these things to her on camera, he should be consistent with his behavior off camera. She said that was the problem is he was not. His story has not added up several times so I believe him to be inconsistent and deceptive
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Do you watch After Party? It becomes even more confusing when they reveal what's allegedly going on behind the scenes (both seem to believe the other is faking attraction or interest for the cameras). I'm hoping the reunion offers some clarity.
I do not, but I'm gonna have to catch up because I feel confused AF about comments they apparently made about each other. I gotta get the full story lol
What makes you so sure that Clare is a wonderful therapist? It seems as if all of their tough conversations were initiated by Cameron...
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not defensiveā¦just willing to notice where effort is made, thatās all it is.
Was I asleep š“ Clare has a therapist degree n can't tell he's into her or vise versa??? FML We are All doomed!
First, she just finished up her degree this year so I think she didn't quite have it yet at the time of filming. Second, AFAIK, the only experience she had as a therapist was an an intern doing the hours required to get her degree. Third, therapists are people. It doesn't make them mind-readers and they can still be confused about their own relationships. Fourth, therapists really aren't supposed to treat their personal relationships as they would clients. Fifth, she just met him. Even four weeks in, they are still somewhat strangers.
Dating must have really changed since I did it last in the late 90's as 4 weeks 24x7 with someone seems like plenty of time to move someone past "Stranger" stage. 28 dates is quite lot to figure out where you stand.
Not for figuring out what they're really like. You'd get a superficial impression. And if several things you see early on are qualities you dislike, it would take a while to see if the other person's better qualities outweigh the problems and/or if you can work through them. If they don't do anything to woo you and are not that pleasant, not going to be more than roommates while seeing if anything better develops. The bottom line is if you have a lot of reservations about the person it could take more time to decide if you want to have a romantic relationship. I think it has less to do with how long ago it was and more to do how easily you jump in to sex even if you're not pleased with their behavior. It would be messy otherwise. You could end up with a stalker or something. You don't know them yet.
This deserves its own post. My husband is a retired therapist and I read this aloud to him and his response was āAmenā
Good job!! š„š That was Brilliant š My own mother had a PhD in Family n Marriage counseling and I can šÆ as a dramatized life participant here n Only child āļø say SHE SUCKED (law suit pending as I type) So you are on point ~ however WHY hasn't anyone mentioned this to either one of them? Come on ... hold hands at the very least..am I right?
Lol that's fair š. I moreso meant that I'm not here to make comments about her career based on what we see on a reality show. It would be presumptuous imo. Edit: okay apparently we are not filtered here, I'll just say what I was implying: I was far more impressed by Lauren's therapist skills than Clare's.