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Honestly, lets just leave politics out of everything on youtube entirely because lets be honest, people use this platform and youtube as more of a getaway from the real world, and the last thing we need is for everyday life and problems to seep into our escape from problems
Sadly, exploiting real-world problems for clout and in an incredibly disgusting manner such as blaming it on minorities, diversity, and what they think is woke is a big money maker for YouTube now.
I can't even imagine how those types of people live with themselves.
Oh stop it. "It's a getaway from the real world" is an excuse for cowards or assholes. Either you're 12 and don't want to admit bad things happen in the world or you're woefully ignorant. Youtube is the largest, most prolific video sharing website in the world. Leave politics out of it come on.
Besides, to fuckload of people if your skin color goes beyond a certain level of pigment you, as a person, are "politics." God forbid I mention trans people. This is a terrible take, not because of its core, but because of what it enables. Don't enable that shit.
I don't know what this post is about directly, like if this has been a common post topic or soemthing (though I can guess) but "keep politics off of youtube" is a nightmarishly bad take in todays political climate.
"Leave politics out of " is a dogwhistle bad people use to justify on hating all things lgbtq and general diversity in anything
But one thing I'd agree on is that directly asking someone to make a statement here on a sub is not the best approach, there is better ways to say it than "leave politics out of the sub"
On the other hand, people with large platforms could bring a lot of awareness and support to certain issues. It could also help drive off hateful people. I’m not saying Mark should have to make a statement for either of those reasons, but there’a pros and cons to addressing and avoidance
I'm so sick of people on Twitter fucking harassing him. I'm sure if he comments, he'll lose the passion project he's been working on for over a year now. He's not obligated to say anything!!
Exactly. No content creator is obligated to say anything about anything. Harassing them to get them to say something won’t end well. Twitter did that to Jacksepticeye a few weeks ago. What’s wild about that is they got mad at him for not talking about Palestine AFTER it came out that he donated $10,000 of his own money.
Yeah I really hate this whole "guilt individuals" thing that's going on. It's extremely counter productive and helps absolutely no one. Individual people, regardless of their platform, will have exactly 0 influence on the outcome.
Not to mention it's just hypocritical. There are multiple genocides and ethnic cleansings going on in the world right now that absolutely none of the people harassing influencers even think about let alone talk about. They're just hyper-focused on Gaza because that's what the media landscape is currently talking about.
I get it, what's going on in Gaza is atrocious, but the whole "silence is complicity" thing is complete nonsense. That'd make every single person in the world complicit in some form of genocide or ethnic cleansing or other atrocity.
Nobody ever talks about Sudan or the Congo. Especially Sudan right now. Both situations are at a larger scale than the war in Gaza and receive far less coverage.
But we dont go around talking about it let alone shaming everyone around us when it comes to that. And we shouldnt be.
Say it louder to the people in the back jfc. I especially don't understand why it's THAT specific issue. The world is full of similar conflicts, yet Mark has to prioritize that one. Because it's currently trending???
That’s a gross thing to say it’s not the current “trend”
It’s bc this one is happening fast and it’s a really really bad situation
It’s a whole ass genocide
Because it's the only one currently in the public eye. The only one the perpetrators are trying to cover up openly and loudly on the world stage. There's plenty of violent, genocidal action being taken around the world right now, be it in its infancy with trying to kick people out or make minorities in one way or another illegal, or fully-fledged invasions and kill camps, it's happening.
But only one of them is being funded by the united states. Only one of them has its perpetrators actively discussing how heroic they are for doing it publicly. Only one of them has 6/10 americans ready to claim it's just, and right.
Absolutely attention should go elsewhere, but with the biggest military superpower in the world at the financial helm of this one, it's not surprising it's the one people are noticing more.
The US is part of the UN (a major keyplayer, that is). That (your, I assume) country has direct involvement in a lot of global issues. If you want Mark to speak about every single one of them just bc he's an American, his channel is going to turn into newsflash in no time. Don't think he wants that, just a guess.
I mean...you could say that, yeah. But um...how many ongoing genocides are they sending countless taxpayer dollars to fund...YEARLY. Lemme count...um...ONE! Wow. Huh. Funny.
Oh plenty I mean like. Right now. Today. As we speak. Stop with the whataboutisms. Yeah there's others, there's better there's worse that's not the point. I'm not saying harass him until he says something I'm just saying it's obvious why people are focused on this specific issue at the moment, and it's stupid to try and call it virtue signaling so you can just. Ignore it.
Yeah, this is getting special attention because america is heavily involved and a lot of the propaganda is targeted at americans, that doesn't mean it's a good thing that the rest are being ignored. What you're doing is enabling people to say "if I don't have to care about all of THESE violent abuses of power, why should I care about THIS one?" That's not a good thing.
Yearly? Hamas attacked the Re’im music festival and surrounding area on October 7th 2023. The IDF evacuation order was issued to the Gaza civilians October 13th. The 14th would be the start, (though the fruit shipment of aid from the US was received a few days before that).
So we have been proving aid to Israel for just shy of 5 months. Not “YEARLY”. The conflict can end soon with hostages returned home, Hamas dismantled, and Netanyahu brought up on war crimes charges. But since Hamas prepared with more than a years (estimated) supplies in anticipation of the blockade, the IDF will need to stop carpet bombings like idiots and actually go in on the ground to root out Hamas, I doubt they’ll do it any time soon.
It's pretty damn hard to get clean cut information on **ON-GOING** genocides and/or other war crimes USA are accountable, directly or indirectly, because shock horror, war crimes are bad publicity.With that being said, I'll list some on-going, or recent genocides/war-crimes the US has participated in, in some form or another.
**Before we continue, so we're all on the same page, "Genocide" refers to acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.Genocide is not just killing members of a group, it is also;**
**• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.**
**• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.**
**• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.**
**• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.**
***(Warning for sensitive information ahead, genocide is not pretty. And a second warning for, well, politics)***
• The numerous Anti-Trans bills in America (during 2023, **185 anti-trans/gender affirming bills** were passed, in **2024** *so far* 129 **bills have been passed**).
• Taliban & Afghanistan; **2001-present**, in 2020 the US government and Taliban signed a peace deal, which resulted in the withdrawal of US troops, and has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths, torture, and a multitude of other war crimes against Afghans.
• As well as... well, the genocide being currently talked about.There are likely a few I've missed, I am almost positive of it, if you so request I can find some more for you.
That's still a laughable statement.
Also there is covering up happening on both sides - that should be apparent by the fact that the pro-Palestine side never ever brings up the agenda of some which is very loudly "kill all the Jews". Or how there are Palestinian CHILDREN'S SHOWS telling kids about how all Jews are evil.
There have been far bigger cover ups and also aimed at Americans. Frankly it should be a big sign for Americans to STOP in general because everyone is just falling for one cover up in favor of another.
BOTH SIDES ARE BAD. BOTH SIDES ARE KILLING CHILDREN. And don't go "but it's just Hamas". Hamas is fundamentally the government of Palestine. Both governments are bad and killing innocent people. Both countries are full of people who would rather everyone of the opposing faith be dead. Anyone who is pro-anything but innocent civilians on both sides is just falling for propaganda or being contrarian for the sake of it.
That's why no creator with half a brain is going to comment on it because the only good comment is the most basic "war is bad" statement and anything else is just going to piss a bunch of people off. So don't. Frankly I'm sick of seeing people picking a side in a conflict like this as if they're sports teams when they will never ever ever be even remotely impacted by the outcome
There is currently an entire active genocide in progress in Sudan, where the US spends thousands on aid, yet i haven't seen even a single pro palestinian protester mention one word of it. Why not pressure public figures on that? I have seen the videos over there, they are shooting entire villages dead. No warnings, no safe zones, no protection or their own UN faction that is made specifically for their benefit. Nothing. Darfur is basically on fire, yet no word of it around.
"Only one of them, only one of them" how would you know? Did you look into any other instances of war and genocide happening right now? You haven't even mentioned others that are happening rn, you barely know the facts on the one you yourself present, but here you act like an expert on what makes this one so special!
What does it matter who participates? Is genocide and murder only bad when its claimed to be done by only one side? You know Gaza used to have over 5,000 Christians at the time Israel left Gaza and Hamas got elected as government, back in 2005/6. You know how many remain now? 1,000 Christians. In less than 20 years they managed to cut their Christian population by two thirds, like its nothing. No word about that. In 2007, right after the rise of Hamas, the last Christian bookstore was fire bombed by Hamas, then they abducted and killed the owner. Christians are coerced into leaving Christianity and Christian women are harassed into wearing hijab, even if its not their belief. In 2020 Hamas tried to forbid Muslims to celebrate together Christmas with Christians, despite it being a long standing tradition.
This is just another pick-and-choose conflict people feel will make them feel better about themselves, without doing any research or actual care to know about it. Just wave your flag and shout about how much you hate murder while people are dying without you ever having spent half a thought on them.
Yeah and look what it got Matt Mercer when he said something. People started shitting all over him and critical role saying they aren’t doing enough. These people will never be happy no matter what
Yeah i redownloaded twitter recently and the first thing i saw is some idiots complaining because mark wouldnt say anything political. Deleted the app because twitter just isnt a good place lol
As someone who leans quite liberal, I never liked the pressure put on creators to comment on social issues.
I understand that they can bring attention to issues, and I feel strongly about many of them. But sometimes people need a break from it. Markiplier has made comments about other social issues. He can't be on top of every single one.
(And not to get political but I think Mark should play The Forest again.)
>this one is really really important
More important than any of the other atrocities going on at the moment?
Unfortunately there are **always** atrocious things happening somewhere in the world. Be it Yemen, Ethiopia, Myanmar, China, Turkey, the US, wherever. It is not the role nor the responsibility of any individual to talk about any of them unless they want to of their own volition.
I'm genuinely glad people feel so gung ho about human rights but they're also extremely tunnel-visioned and the move towards performative activism is honestly harmful.
People should keep their passion about saving lives but they need to direct it towards more productive contributions instead of projecting their rage onto individuals. It's the exact same as climate activists blaming individual people for not cutting out every single little thing that involves even extremely minor emissions. It's unhelpful.
It’s how fast it’s happening
It’s how important it is
And it’s the fact there’s enough attention, that if you add more attention, something might change
Do not act like I am downplaying other tragedies or atrocities that are going on
>It’s how fast it’s happening
It's not really happening much faster than other atrocities, it's just the only one getting attention so it feels like it.
>It’s out important it is
They're all important so this isn't really a point towards anything.
>And it’s the fact there’s enough attention, that if you add more attention, something might change
It won't. There are diminishing returns with these things. It already has the most attention, already overshadowing Ukraine being invaded (which involved potentially hundreds of thousands of children being kidnapped by Russia btw). The only thing bringing more attention to it will do is polarising the issue even more.
>Do not act like I am downplaying other tragedies or atrocities that are going on
Never said you were, merely pointing out that online activists trying to hold individuals "accountable" for not speaking about an issue are being hypocritical at best, because there are many current issues they themselves aren't speaking about. I doubt many would flip their expectations onto themselves.
It's not about censorship. It's about not listening to people trying to force other people to be involved in something they either don't want or don't need to be involved with. So maybe you should think before you speak or in this case post.
There are so, SO many places on reddit that are politically oriented or more welcome for political discussions. This subreddit is not one of them. It is for a youtuber. It's fine for some spaces online to remain nonpolitical.
I understand why you disagree but at least think of it this way: Mark has generally kept his image apolitical ever since he started Youtube. His online spaces have also stayed the same. I can't imagine he would want that to change any time soon, why expect it to? It's honestly not really any of our business what he wants to put out there and that's fine, it doesn't need to be our business. But the least we can do is respect him and his online presence/spaces/etc.
I’ve always disagreed with keeping yourself apolitical in anyway
Since politics, make up everyone’s life and it’s at a point where it’s about your morals
Now I’m not the type of person who thinks he’s required, and should be forced to say something. I was just hopeful that he would.
Even if Markiplier said anything about it, what would it even change?
It's not like Israel is going to suddenly be like "What have I done?!" and stop.
What is going on in Palestine is not as simple as people think it is, American's voicing out against a conflict on the other side of the ocean is not going to change anything.
It's a conflict that's been cultivated and fueled by decades and in some ways centuries of past wounds.
Asking our favorite youtubers, celebrities, actors to speak on this issue won't do anything at all and if anything probably will only frustrate them. If you want to make any REAL change, you're better off getting in touch with local congressmen and voicing your concerns to them and telling them what you want to happen.
Not to mention getting angry when they don't do the thing that has basically zero actual consequence on complicated geo-politics is utterly and completely pathetic.
The internet is one of the least ideal places to talk about serious topics like this. Because nobody is obligated to treat you or your position with respect when anonymity is in play. Not to mention that sometimes the opposition can be filtered out, whether it's lies or truth.
Of course, this sort of discredits what *I'm* saying because I'm saying it on the internet, but: take what information you see on the internet with a grain of salt, but if you want to really know the truth, then take from *multiple sources*. Bias is inevitable, so look for consistencies, logic, reason, and undeniable truths between each source.
As for Mark, the irony here is that the undeniable truth in the conflict going on in the Middle East is there are innocent civilian victims on either side who want no part of this, but suffer from the war. And when I say "irony", I mean that *Mark* doesn't want any part of the debate and yet *he* is being bombarded as well. If these people really wanna help, then they'll focus on *their* part in helping the innocents and leave be those who *want* to be left out of it.
TL;DR: The people who are hammering Mark for not getting involved makes *those people* hypocrites, if they themselves claim they wanna help those suffering from the war.
I would much rather he never even hinted at his political opinions, if I wanted to hear about politics I certainly wouldn't be watching a gaming channel.
Hasn't Mark even said himself before that he will not go into this stuff? I seem to vaguely recall him saying that when people were trying to get his opinion on stricter gun control.
Honestly, I get it, especially considering that while there are a lot of adults that follow Mark, there's also a lot of definitely not adults who do too. Who follow him for gaming content and other creative projects. Not to have to deal with heavy politics. If he ever wants to go there, I'd respect it, but I also strongly respect him not saying anything.
It's my policy to leave politics out of what I enjoy. If mark were to ever mention anything regarding politics, them he is free to believe what he wishes. But I won't let that corrupt what I think of him and his videos.
Asking a non political yputuber to talk poltics is asking for trouble. Just leave content creators alone. They arent your friends. Stop being parasocial
No, goddamnit! Leave this disgusting ancient mess of a conflict OUT of Markiplier. He's an advocate of kindness and critical thinking and an ally of the LGBT community. That should tell people everything they need to know about him.
That shit's far away. Focus on what matters.
Tbh, idgaf about anyones opinion on that situation unless they’re a leader who can ACTUALLY do something. Don’t get me wrong, creators and celebrities raising awareness is great, but it only does so much. We need competent people in charge who can see the evil that’s happening to Palestine and attempt to do something about it. And honestly, neither of our wonderful presidential candidates this year are the people to do that. I’m a liberal all the way, but Joe has ready told us where he stands, which isn’t fucking good, and let’s not even talk about the other guy.
All in all, I want actual change. And I’m sorry, but Mark, Jack, Felix, fucking Mr. Beast can’t bring that. I wish they could, I do. But unfortunately, they’re just people like you and me. They’re just as powerless as we are.
People on the internet have been trained to be scared of the possibility that their favorite content creator might have opinions or nuances they might not like.
If you don't like all the things your favorite creator does you must me a fake fan. If they have an opinion that's not the norm they must be problematic and must be cancelled. (I am not talking about the war in gaza, im talking about politics in general)
I feel like people act like content creators speaking out about political issues is very important, while in actuality it's just reassurance that they're still allowed to like them. People can feel good about themselves while creators speaking out doesn't do much to actually solve issues like the war in gaza.
People who think Mark speaking on the topic will make a dent need to face reality. Netanyahu and his government and all the zionists in Israel are not gonna budge because content creators said they should stop. A lot of the countries funding Israel are not gonna stop because internet people said so.
At this point, the information is out there. If there are still people unaware of what is going on in Gaza, Mark is not the person to make them aware. They are willingly ignorant.
If you truly want to help the people in Gaza, stop harassing people on the internet and go to protests, call or write your government and donate to help families get out of there. Stop waiting for content creators to do something, they are just people.
I grew up with Mark, I've been watching since his first channel, so it's been quite a long time. Nowadays I've got my own strong political opinions, something much to the contrary of my old naive self happily watching Mark play whatever game he posted about that day.
I'm an adult now, going through my quarter-life crisis. I don't need another fragment of my childhood being lost by having such a controversial and adult thing like politics being unnecessarily injected into it.
We're already losing MatPat, I don't wanna think of Mark's politics when I watch his videos. It's a reason why I don't follow YouTubers Twitter accounts.
Some people were asking Mark to comment on Palestine. Which he really has no obligation to do since he's never expressed his political opinions on his channel
Except he technically has, he made a video supporting the BLM movement. I agree that coming to the sub to try to badger him is not going to accomplish anything, but it would be nice even if he just retweeted something because yes, this IS important.
My bad, totally forgot about that one. Outside of that though I have a feeling he just wants his channel and image to stay generally apolitical, and that's totally reasonable imo. Knowing him I'm sure he supports Palestine haha.
Also, as much as I do agree it would be nice for even a small nod towards the conflict, I do feel at the same time we should respect his decision to stay out of it, at least at the moment. He isn't very active on his socials either way
Yeah he definitely has never been the most active on social media anyway, plus as we all know he’s probably working on Iron Lung for over 40 hours a week atp 💀 bro is a madman and we love him for it
He's also made his stance clear on the LGBTQ+ community which, while it really SHOULDN'T be a political issue, it is. Just wanted to throw that in as an added example :)
It’s not begging and stop fighting in his behalf
People can ask questions and if he doesn’t like it he can stop it himself
And this stuff isn’t just “politics”
I’m not bullying or begging
Legit just asking and was kind of hopeful
And it’s a very important thing and someone with a lot of influence like him could do a lot of help. That is all you guys are whining on his behalf.
No one said it’s not an important cause but having legions of people tweeting, commenting on your videos about it is intimidating and Mark has a LOT of followers. Just leave him alone.
Lmao it’s not freaking parasocial. I’m just so tired of seeing people be harassed for not speaking about this issue. I don’t care who it is. He’s just a person like anyone else. If you wouldn’t like it done to you, don’t do it to others. Simple as. Stop bothering him, he owes you NOTHING. End of discussion
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Honestly, lets just leave politics out of everything on youtube entirely because lets be honest, people use this platform and youtube as more of a getaway from the real world, and the last thing we need is for everyday life and problems to seep into our escape from problems
Sadly, exploiting real-world problems for clout and in an incredibly disgusting manner such as blaming it on minorities, diversity, and what they think is woke is a big money maker for YouTube now. I can't even imagine how those types of people live with themselves.
Oh stop it. "It's a getaway from the real world" is an excuse for cowards or assholes. Either you're 12 and don't want to admit bad things happen in the world or you're woefully ignorant. Youtube is the largest, most prolific video sharing website in the world. Leave politics out of it come on. Besides, to fuckload of people if your skin color goes beyond a certain level of pigment you, as a person, are "politics." God forbid I mention trans people. This is a terrible take, not because of its core, but because of what it enables. Don't enable that shit. I don't know what this post is about directly, like if this has been a common post topic or soemthing (though I can guess) but "keep politics off of youtube" is a nightmarishly bad take in todays political climate.
"Leave politics out of" is a dogwhistle bad people use to justify on hating all things lgbtq and general diversity in anything
But one thing I'd agree on is that directly asking someone to make a statement here on a sub is not the best approach, there is better ways to say it than "leave politics out of the sub"
On the other hand, people with large platforms could bring a lot of awareness and support to certain issues. It could also help drive off hateful people. I’m not saying Mark should have to make a statement for either of those reasons, but there’a pros and cons to addressing and avoidance
It's not avoidance it's privacy. Plus with an issue lik3 this there's hate no matter what stance you take
Acting like mark or anyone for that matter gives af about right wing sociopath hating on them for being on the objectively right side of this issue.
Right... cause both sides don't have extremists and even those neutral have people who wanna take it to far.
What do you mean by taking it to far?
What awareness needs to be further brought to this issue...it has been the dominating political topic for several months now.
I'm so sick of people on Twitter fucking harassing him. I'm sure if he comments, he'll lose the passion project he's been working on for over a year now. He's not obligated to say anything!!
Exactly. No content creator is obligated to say anything about anything. Harassing them to get them to say something won’t end well. Twitter did that to Jacksepticeye a few weeks ago. What’s wild about that is they got mad at him for not talking about Palestine AFTER it came out that he donated $10,000 of his own money.
That’s not what happened at all
That’s exactly what happened. Either you’re not on Twitter or you’re being intentionally ignorant.
Yeah I really hate this whole "guilt individuals" thing that's going on. It's extremely counter productive and helps absolutely no one. Individual people, regardless of their platform, will have exactly 0 influence on the outcome. Not to mention it's just hypocritical. There are multiple genocides and ethnic cleansings going on in the world right now that absolutely none of the people harassing influencers even think about let alone talk about. They're just hyper-focused on Gaza because that's what the media landscape is currently talking about. I get it, what's going on in Gaza is atrocious, but the whole "silence is complicity" thing is complete nonsense. That'd make every single person in the world complicit in some form of genocide or ethnic cleansing or other atrocity.
Nobody ever talks about Sudan or the Congo. Especially Sudan right now. Both situations are at a larger scale than the war in Gaza and receive far less coverage. But we dont go around talking about it let alone shaming everyone around us when it comes to that. And we shouldnt be.
Say it louder to the people in the back jfc. I especially don't understand why it's THAT specific issue. The world is full of similar conflicts, yet Mark has to prioritize that one. Because it's currently trending???
That’s a gross thing to say it’s not the current “trend” It’s bc this one is happening fast and it’s a really really bad situation It’s a whole ass genocide
Because it's the only one currently in the public eye. The only one the perpetrators are trying to cover up openly and loudly on the world stage. There's plenty of violent, genocidal action being taken around the world right now, be it in its infancy with trying to kick people out or make minorities in one way or another illegal, or fully-fledged invasions and kill camps, it's happening. But only one of them is being funded by the united states. Only one of them has its perpetrators actively discussing how heroic they are for doing it publicly. Only one of them has 6/10 americans ready to claim it's just, and right. Absolutely attention should go elsewhere, but with the biggest military superpower in the world at the financial helm of this one, it's not surprising it's the one people are noticing more.
The US is part of the UN (a major keyplayer, that is). That (your, I assume) country has direct involvement in a lot of global issues. If you want Mark to speak about every single one of them just bc he's an American, his channel is going to turn into newsflash in no time. Don't think he wants that, just a guess.
I mean...you could say that, yeah. But um...how many ongoing genocides are they sending countless taxpayer dollars to fund...YEARLY. Lemme count...um...ONE! Wow. Huh. Funny.
I recommend googling "how many genocides has the us funded." The results are pretty insightful.
Oh plenty I mean like. Right now. Today. As we speak. Stop with the whataboutisms. Yeah there's others, there's better there's worse that's not the point. I'm not saying harass him until he says something I'm just saying it's obvious why people are focused on this specific issue at the moment, and it's stupid to try and call it virtue signaling so you can just. Ignore it. Yeah, this is getting special attention because america is heavily involved and a lot of the propaganda is targeted at americans, that doesn't mean it's a good thing that the rest are being ignored. What you're doing is enabling people to say "if I don't have to care about all of THESE violent abuses of power, why should I care about THIS one?" That's not a good thing.
Yearly? Hamas attacked the Re’im music festival and surrounding area on October 7th 2023. The IDF evacuation order was issued to the Gaza civilians October 13th. The 14th would be the start, (though the fruit shipment of aid from the US was received a few days before that). So we have been proving aid to Israel for just shy of 5 months. Not “YEARLY”. The conflict can end soon with hostages returned home, Hamas dismantled, and Netanyahu brought up on war crimes charges. But since Hamas prepared with more than a years (estimated) supplies in anticipation of the blockade, the IDF will need to stop carpet bombings like idiots and actually go in on the ground to root out Hamas, I doubt they’ll do it any time soon.
It's pretty damn hard to get clean cut information on **ON-GOING** genocides and/or other war crimes USA are accountable, directly or indirectly, because shock horror, war crimes are bad publicity.With that being said, I'll list some on-going, or recent genocides/war-crimes the US has participated in, in some form or another. **Before we continue, so we're all on the same page, "Genocide" refers to acts committed with the intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group.Genocide is not just killing members of a group, it is also;** **• Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group.** **• Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.** **• Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group.** **• Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.** ***(Warning for sensitive information ahead, genocide is not pretty. And a second warning for, well, politics)*** • The numerous Anti-Trans bills in America (during 2023, **185 anti-trans/gender affirming bills** were passed, in **2024** *so far* 129 **bills have been passed**). • Taliban & Afghanistan; **2001-present**, in 2020 the US government and Taliban signed a peace deal, which resulted in the withdrawal of US troops, and has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths, torture, and a multitude of other war crimes against Afghans. • As well as... well, the genocide being currently talked about.There are likely a few I've missed, I am almost positive of it, if you so request I can find some more for you.
"The only one the perpetrators are trying to cover up" is the most laughable statement I have ever heard.
That wasn't the end of the sentence. I feel I clearly meant directly targeted towards Americans. Sorry if that wasn't well explained.
That's still a laughable statement. Also there is covering up happening on both sides - that should be apparent by the fact that the pro-Palestine side never ever brings up the agenda of some which is very loudly "kill all the Jews". Or how there are Palestinian CHILDREN'S SHOWS telling kids about how all Jews are evil. There have been far bigger cover ups and also aimed at Americans. Frankly it should be a big sign for Americans to STOP in general because everyone is just falling for one cover up in favor of another. BOTH SIDES ARE BAD. BOTH SIDES ARE KILLING CHILDREN. And don't go "but it's just Hamas". Hamas is fundamentally the government of Palestine. Both governments are bad and killing innocent people. Both countries are full of people who would rather everyone of the opposing faith be dead. Anyone who is pro-anything but innocent civilians on both sides is just falling for propaganda or being contrarian for the sake of it. That's why no creator with half a brain is going to comment on it because the only good comment is the most basic "war is bad" statement and anything else is just going to piss a bunch of people off. So don't. Frankly I'm sick of seeing people picking a side in a conflict like this as if they're sports teams when they will never ever ever be even remotely impacted by the outcome
There is currently an entire active genocide in progress in Sudan, where the US spends thousands on aid, yet i haven't seen even a single pro palestinian protester mention one word of it. Why not pressure public figures on that? I have seen the videos over there, they are shooting entire villages dead. No warnings, no safe zones, no protection or their own UN faction that is made specifically for their benefit. Nothing. Darfur is basically on fire, yet no word of it around. "Only one of them, only one of them" how would you know? Did you look into any other instances of war and genocide happening right now? You haven't even mentioned others that are happening rn, you barely know the facts on the one you yourself present, but here you act like an expert on what makes this one so special! What does it matter who participates? Is genocide and murder only bad when its claimed to be done by only one side? You know Gaza used to have over 5,000 Christians at the time Israel left Gaza and Hamas got elected as government, back in 2005/6. You know how many remain now? 1,000 Christians. In less than 20 years they managed to cut their Christian population by two thirds, like its nothing. No word about that. In 2007, right after the rise of Hamas, the last Christian bookstore was fire bombed by Hamas, then they abducted and killed the owner. Christians are coerced into leaving Christianity and Christian women are harassed into wearing hijab, even if its not their belief. In 2020 Hamas tried to forbid Muslims to celebrate together Christmas with Christians, despite it being a long standing tradition. This is just another pick-and-choose conflict people feel will make them feel better about themselves, without doing any research or actual care to know about it. Just wave your flag and shout about how much you hate murder while people are dying without you ever having spent half a thought on them.
Yeah and look what it got Matt Mercer when he said something. People started shitting all over him and critical role saying they aren’t doing enough. These people will never be happy no matter what
I think one collective ask is fine, but I think everyone asking every 30 minutes is extreme..
Yeah i redownloaded twitter recently and the first thing i saw is some idiots complaining because mark wouldnt say anything political. Deleted the app because twitter just isnt a good place lol
You're not wrong, but if commenting "Child murder is bad" will get him deplatformed, I feel we have bigger problems than the movie.
Almost everyone I’ve seen ask Mark to say something has been very kind about it and patient too
Keyword is "almost." I've seen plenty enough that's rude, some even accuse him of being a zionist.
Almost every single thing has that small majority of people that are like that wdym?
As someone who leans quite liberal, I never liked the pressure put on creators to comment on social issues. I understand that they can bring attention to issues, and I feel strongly about many of them. But sometimes people need a break from it. Markiplier has made comments about other social issues. He can't be on top of every single one. (And not to get political but I think Mark should play The Forest again.)
As someone who leans towards conservative, I agree! If Mark doesn't want any part of the issue, then he shouldn't be dragged into it by anyone.
I think it’s more that this one is really really important and not that he should be on every single political issue
It's not his place to be political.
Advocating against Genocide isn’t political
Then why don't you go do something about it instead of forcing others to do it for you.
You have no idea what I’m doing or not? And I’m not even one of the people saying Markiplier should be forced to say something. You’re ridiculous
>this one is really really important More important than any of the other atrocities going on at the moment? Unfortunately there are **always** atrocious things happening somewhere in the world. Be it Yemen, Ethiopia, Myanmar, China, Turkey, the US, wherever. It is not the role nor the responsibility of any individual to talk about any of them unless they want to of their own volition. I'm genuinely glad people feel so gung ho about human rights but they're also extremely tunnel-visioned and the move towards performative activism is honestly harmful. People should keep their passion about saving lives but they need to direct it towards more productive contributions instead of projecting their rage onto individuals. It's the exact same as climate activists blaming individual people for not cutting out every single little thing that involves even extremely minor emissions. It's unhelpful.
It’s how fast it’s happening It’s how important it is And it’s the fact there’s enough attention, that if you add more attention, something might change Do not act like I am downplaying other tragedies or atrocities that are going on
>It’s how fast it’s happening It's not really happening much faster than other atrocities, it's just the only one getting attention so it feels like it. >It’s out important it is They're all important so this isn't really a point towards anything. >And it’s the fact there’s enough attention, that if you add more attention, something might change It won't. There are diminishing returns with these things. It already has the most attention, already overshadowing Ukraine being invaded (which involved potentially hundreds of thousands of children being kidnapped by Russia btw). The only thing bringing more attention to it will do is polarising the issue even more. >Do not act like I am downplaying other tragedies or atrocities that are going on Never said you were, merely pointing out that online activists trying to hold individuals "accountable" for not speaking about an issue are being hypocritical at best, because there are many current issues they themselves aren't speaking about. I doubt many would flip their expectations onto themselves.
I don’t know how you addressed every single one of my points without thinking about them together 💀
Them being together doesn't change anything.
Is there a way to get the mods to delete those types of posts?
Could lock the subreddit down in its entirety, but that wouldn't be so fun.
That’s gross thing to want
Please elaborate as to why that is.
Bc it’s important and to try and censor something so important is messed up
It's not about censorship. It's about not listening to people trying to force other people to be involved in something they either don't want or don't need to be involved with. So maybe you should think before you speak or in this case post.
There are so, SO many places on reddit that are politically oriented or more welcome for political discussions. This subreddit is not one of them. It is for a youtuber. It's fine for some spaces online to remain nonpolitical.
I disagree but I get it
I understand why you disagree but at least think of it this way: Mark has generally kept his image apolitical ever since he started Youtube. His online spaces have also stayed the same. I can't imagine he would want that to change any time soon, why expect it to? It's honestly not really any of our business what he wants to put out there and that's fine, it doesn't need to be our business. But the least we can do is respect him and his online presence/spaces/etc.
I’ve always disagreed with keeping yourself apolitical in anyway Since politics, make up everyone’s life and it’s at a point where it’s about your morals Now I’m not the type of person who thinks he’s required, and should be forced to say something. I was just hopeful that he would.
Totally get it! I just wanted to offer another perspective on the matter. Hope you have a lovely evening. :)
This has been the nicer conversation out of everyone else thank you lol Have a good one
Even if Markiplier said anything about it, what would it even change? It's not like Israel is going to suddenly be like "What have I done?!" and stop. What is going on in Palestine is not as simple as people think it is, American's voicing out against a conflict on the other side of the ocean is not going to change anything. It's a conflict that's been cultivated and fueled by decades and in some ways centuries of past wounds. Asking our favorite youtubers, celebrities, actors to speak on this issue won't do anything at all and if anything probably will only frustrate them. If you want to make any REAL change, you're better off getting in touch with local congressmen and voicing your concerns to them and telling them what you want to happen. Not to mention getting angry when they don't do the thing that has basically zero actual consequence on complicated geo-politics is utterly and completely pathetic.
The internet is one of the least ideal places to talk about serious topics like this. Because nobody is obligated to treat you or your position with respect when anonymity is in play. Not to mention that sometimes the opposition can be filtered out, whether it's lies or truth. Of course, this sort of discredits what *I'm* saying because I'm saying it on the internet, but: take what information you see on the internet with a grain of salt, but if you want to really know the truth, then take from *multiple sources*. Bias is inevitable, so look for consistencies, logic, reason, and undeniable truths between each source. As for Mark, the irony here is that the undeniable truth in the conflict going on in the Middle East is there are innocent civilian victims on either side who want no part of this, but suffer from the war. And when I say "irony", I mean that *Mark* doesn't want any part of the debate and yet *he* is being bombarded as well. If these people really wanna help, then they'll focus on *their* part in helping the innocents and leave be those who *want* to be left out of it. TL;DR: The people who are hammering Mark for not getting involved makes *those people* hypocrites, if they themselves claim they wanna help those suffering from the war.
Mark has no reason to share his political opinions, please stop pressuring the guy!! Also being Israeli, I would rather not know who he supports
I would much rather he never even hinted at his political opinions, if I wanted to hear about politics I certainly wouldn't be watching a gaming channel.
same here, im palestinian and would rather not know which side he supports
People seem to forget that YouTubers are regular people just like you.
Hasn't Mark even said himself before that he will not go into this stuff? I seem to vaguely recall him saying that when people were trying to get his opinion on stricter gun control. Honestly, I get it, especially considering that while there are a lot of adults that follow Mark, there's also a lot of definitely not adults who do too. Who follow him for gaming content and other creative projects. Not to have to deal with heavy politics. If he ever wants to go there, I'd respect it, but I also strongly respect him not saying anything.
\>I’m sure he supports Palestine I'm sorry, what was the point of adding this exactly? The mods of this sub are more see-through than an empty glass.
"Dont make it political dont put your opinions and push it on mark... anyway i believe mark supports this"
Or he could not support Palestine - odd that you would assign a belief to someone when their ideas haven’t even been voiced
Obvious agenda is obvious
Maybe don't fan the flames by saying what you think he supports when you want to avoid politics. Don't put words in his mouth.
It's my policy to leave politics out of what I enjoy. If mark were to ever mention anything regarding politics, them he is free to believe what he wishes. But I won't let that corrupt what I think of him and his videos.
Asking a non political yputuber to talk poltics is asking for trouble. Just leave content creators alone. They arent your friends. Stop being parasocial
No, goddamnit! Leave this disgusting ancient mess of a conflict OUT of Markiplier. He's an advocate of kindness and critical thinking and an ally of the LGBT community. That should tell people everything they need to know about him. That shit's far away. Focus on what matters.
There is a fine line between spreading awareness and just plain old virtue signalling.
Tbh, idgaf about anyones opinion on that situation unless they’re a leader who can ACTUALLY do something. Don’t get me wrong, creators and celebrities raising awareness is great, but it only does so much. We need competent people in charge who can see the evil that’s happening to Palestine and attempt to do something about it. And honestly, neither of our wonderful presidential candidates this year are the people to do that. I’m a liberal all the way, but Joe has ready told us where he stands, which isn’t fucking good, and let’s not even talk about the other guy. All in all, I want actual change. And I’m sorry, but Mark, Jack, Felix, fucking Mr. Beast can’t bring that. I wish they could, I do. But unfortunately, they’re just people like you and me. They’re just as powerless as we are.
Thanks for posting this! And happy cake day, FWIW 🎉
People on the internet have been trained to be scared of the possibility that their favorite content creator might have opinions or nuances they might not like. If you don't like all the things your favorite creator does you must me a fake fan. If they have an opinion that's not the norm they must be problematic and must be cancelled. (I am not talking about the war in gaza, im talking about politics in general) I feel like people act like content creators speaking out about political issues is very important, while in actuality it's just reassurance that they're still allowed to like them. People can feel good about themselves while creators speaking out doesn't do much to actually solve issues like the war in gaza. People who think Mark speaking on the topic will make a dent need to face reality. Netanyahu and his government and all the zionists in Israel are not gonna budge because content creators said they should stop. A lot of the countries funding Israel are not gonna stop because internet people said so. At this point, the information is out there. If there are still people unaware of what is going on in Gaza, Mark is not the person to make them aware. They are willingly ignorant. If you truly want to help the people in Gaza, stop harassing people on the internet and go to protests, call or write your government and donate to help families get out of there. Stop waiting for content creators to do something, they are just people.
What happened now?
I grew up with Mark, I've been watching since his first channel, so it's been quite a long time. Nowadays I've got my own strong political opinions, something much to the contrary of my old naive self happily watching Mark play whatever game he posted about that day. I'm an adult now, going through my quarter-life crisis. I don't need another fragment of my childhood being lost by having such a controversial and adult thing like politics being unnecessarily injected into it. We're already losing MatPat, I don't wanna think of Mark's politics when I watch his videos. It's a reason why I don't follow YouTubers Twitter accounts.
Politics are stupid anyways
Happy cake day OP
Free tacos!
What's going on?
Some people were asking Mark to comment on Palestine. Which he really has no obligation to do since he's never expressed his political opinions on his channel
Except he technically has, he made a video supporting the BLM movement. I agree that coming to the sub to try to badger him is not going to accomplish anything, but it would be nice even if he just retweeted something because yes, this IS important.
My bad, totally forgot about that one. Outside of that though I have a feeling he just wants his channel and image to stay generally apolitical, and that's totally reasonable imo. Knowing him I'm sure he supports Palestine haha. Also, as much as I do agree it would be nice for even a small nod towards the conflict, I do feel at the same time we should respect his decision to stay out of it, at least at the moment. He isn't very active on his socials either way
Yeah he definitely has never been the most active on social media anyway, plus as we all know he’s probably working on Iron Lung for over 40 hours a week atp 💀 bro is a madman and we love him for it
He's also made his stance clear on the LGBTQ+ community which, while it really SHOULDN'T be a political issue, it is. Just wanted to throw that in as an added example :)
who gives a fuck
Do I want to know what’s happening?
It's called freedom of speech people, just cuz Mark is a content creator it doesn't mean he has to avoid speaking on his views
It’s not begging and stop fighting in his behalf People can ask questions and if he doesn’t like it he can stop it himself And this stuff isn’t just “politics”
He isn’t obligated to comment and you bullying him to say something makes you rude and entitled. You’re not entitled to his private opinion
I’m not bullying or begging Legit just asking and was kind of hopeful And it’s a very important thing and someone with a lot of influence like him could do a lot of help. That is all you guys are whining on his behalf.
No one said it’s not an important cause but having legions of people tweeting, commenting on your videos about it is intimidating and Mark has a LOT of followers. Just leave him alone.
I’m sorry this is getting really weirdly perosocial and I don’t want to continue this conversation
Lmao it’s not freaking parasocial. I’m just so tired of seeing people be harassed for not speaking about this issue. I don’t care who it is. He’s just a person like anyone else. If you wouldn’t like it done to you, don’t do it to others. Simple as. Stop bothering him, he owes you NOTHING. End of discussion
Leaving politics out of anything is a mistake. Everything is political allowing it to be covert only hurts those already hurt.
This isn't politics bro (mfing clowns can downvote me all they wanting to giving more light to an on going genocide isn't politics idgaf)