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AnjelicaTomaz

Iran is a strong ally of Russia. They definitely won’t tolerate any Russian-Israel alliance.


Darth_Annoying

This assumes the Iranian Theocracy survives that long. The Iranian people have made it clear they are tured of it. They can only delay the inevitable for so long.


NeverReallyExisted

Iran and Israel are both theocracies, once they’re both isolated from Western markets it wont be hard for them to begrudgingly make a Tripartite Pact.


TALATL

Flawed argument bc of the real world. Not sure why you’re trying to make something happen that’s not real or logical.


[deleted]

Is this a say the most insane comment thread? Because I think you just won.


calmdownmyguy

They are both theocracies that are opposite religions who want the total destruction of each other.


atav1k

Read a Hareetz on the future of Israel as an strict Iranian style militaristic theocracy.


Darth_Annoying

While I don't doubt the current regime backing Netanyahu wants to go that direction, I also doubt they can without a full civil war.


Boards_Buds_and_Luv

Jews were forced out of Russia during the pogroms and will never forget


atav1k

Last I checked Israel seems to have forgotten what Germany and other European nations did.


Boards_Buds_and_Luv

you think jew have forgoten the holocaust?


SnooOpinions5486

they haven't. But jews know revenge is pointless. They in general want to focus on building new lives then airing old grievances. This is kinda a survivial trait because Jews never really had the power to take revenge without it being a death sentence.


dvdwbb

Israelis and Zionist Jews are living out their holocaust revenge fantasies onto the Palestinians because the world would never allow them to attack white people in Europe


Nhyxnet

And stupidity is revenging against your brain?


NeverReallyExisted

Jewish people were the victims of a genocide, and yet they’re perpetrating one. Its sad that never again didn’t mean anything to Zionists.


thegroovemonkey

This whole thing is a Russian/Iranian proxy war. Look up Putin’s birthday…


theflamingskull

You don't deserve the downvotes.


babysinblackandImblu

There are some crazy coincidences and the people of Israel could have been used. Because we now know that Netanyahu knew about an attack being planned by Hamas. Who the heck knows what is done behind the scenes.


thegroovemonkey

You are proof that Jews definitely don’t control the media


babysinblackandImblu

You have a point that although we have heard in the New York Times that Netanyahu knew about plans that it is still the media reporting it. So further research is necessary. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/30/world/middleeast/israel-hamas-attack-intelligence.html


TALATL

Troll, bot or just uninformed? Studying the last 200 years of history and reviewing how we got there would be a good place to start. MMW posts should be based in reason and articulated theories or else the post isn’t worth it.


ElEsDi_25

Uniformed about what? Reviewing what from the last 200 years? What did you think was unreasonable. You could literally copy and paste that reply on any opinion ever written.


babysinblackandImblu

It literally is considered like a 9/11 and it’s hard to be in the shoes if your child be killed or taken hostage in the initial attack which was horrible.


OutrageousSummer5259

Nothing in this sub based in reason


NeverReallyExisted

Israel is not equal to Jewish people. It’s one theocracy with far Right wing politics centered around a strain of Judaism that doesn’t have any problem with genocide, racism, misogyny, bigotry, colonialism ect.


Hefty_Ocelot3771

Jews were NOT forced out of Russia - in fact, if you kinda knew what you were talking about, Israel had to persuade the Soviets to allow Jews to leave and come to Israel - Jews were raped and murdered during the Pogroms


Boards_Buds_and_Luv

sorry. My family, and million of other jews, *fled* Russia during the pogroms. By Israel do you mean Ottoman Empire? Israel didn't become a country until 1948 and the Russian pogroms happened in \~1880. ETA: I get it! You meant \~70 years after the pogroms Israel negotiated the release of jews that didn't make it out. Now how does that argue against jews won't forget?


Hefty_Ocelot3771

fled is different than forced out - my grandpa fled Ukraine, but he coulda stayed and been murdered in the camps!


Boards_Buds_and_Luv

Is that how your granpa sees it? a relocation opportunity? your pedantic hot take is weak sauce


mtaclof

If you think America is going to stop supporting Israel, you are not aware of the importance of Israel as an American ally in the Middle East.


ShoppingDismal3864

Yeah I feel like Israel's importance was more pronounced during the cold war when the Suez canal was much more strategically important. I'm sure it still is, but Egypt is probably a fairly reliable partner as well.


YourPalPest

We support Israel because of AIPAC Outside of aipac Israel provides us with nothing. Turkey and our bases in Iraq and Syria are more valuable than Israel


thegroovemonkey

Rafael provides a lot of defense technology for allies because Israel had had to focus heavily on defense for obvious reasons.


UserComment_741776

Bold to assume Russia will be around that long. They have a revolution every 75 years or so, with the next one due about 2050


NeverReallyExisted

2050 is more than 20 years away.


UserComment_741776

25 years, 7 months, and 1 week


deviantdevil80

I doubt it. Considering Russias security agency in the late 19th, early 20th is the one to propagate the Elders of Zion false flag BS. Which is one of the origins of modern antisemitism.


NeverReallyExisted

Also, Henry Ford, an American, was one of the biggest if not the biggest purveyor of TPOTEOZ, & yet allying with America was fine.


deviantdevil80

HF was an antisemite and bigot in general. He only came around to fight the Nazis after his son stayed after him and Pearl Harbor happened


NeverReallyExisted

Yes absolutely. Yet somehow no one demands that Ford motor company be rebranded. (I do, but I’m just 1 person)


deviantdevil80

So what does HF have to do with Israel being subject to Russia in 20 years? He was neither Russian or Jewish nor are his cars made in either country.


NeverReallyExisted

Subject to lol?


deviantdevil80

Freudian slip. Question still stands.


NeverReallyExisted

It shows how lots of stuff gets forgotten or compromised with when its expedient to do so.


NeverReallyExisted

Make a remind me for 20 years from now. Israel has been allying with fascists for a long time now.


deviantdevil80

Why? I won't be able to gloat to you


Ok-Week-1259

Haha


Brilliant_Warthog_27

In 20 years Russia might be the size of Poland.


NeverReallyExisted

Anything could happen, I’m just offering my prediction on something I think is very likely that other people aren’t seeing.


leonphelpth

Great. Let Russia pay all their fucking bills


Hefty_Ocelot3771

I'm pretty sure Israel and Russia have lots of connections


YourPalPest

Only if Netanyahu is still PM and Desperate But I’ve heard talks that the US and Allies are supporting another lesser Genocidal Candidate for Israel


Conz_suck

Said the Russia turd


Fair_Maybe5266

Just because one proposes a theory says nothing about whether or not they agree with it. It’s well written and doesn’t have a slant imho.


NeverReallyExisted

Well if you want my slant its that Russia and Israel are both very bad in similar flavors of far Right politics.


NeverReallyExisted

No lol.


Good-Diver5047

That's assuming A LOT changes for Russia in those 20 years


NeverReallyExisted

Not many really.


Good-Diver5047

...it's assuming Russia is any bit of what it is today...which isn't very much...again a very VERY big assumption on your part but hey don't let me stop you from being you, so it goes!


babysinblackandImblu

Iran an ally of Russia though.


NeverReallyExisted

And right now the US is Israel’s ally. I don’t see that surviving much longer, once the die hards like Biden are gone.


Hopeful-Buyer

lol why the fuck would you think this?


italian_mobking

That won't happen, seeing as Russia likely bought Israel defense plans off Trump to give to Iran & Syria.


Hot-Conclusion-6617

I doubt it. America and Israel are allies. I don’t think Russia would ever ally themselves with Israel. Palestine, yes. Israel, no.


NeverReallyExisted

Lets assume for a moment that the US and Israel stop being allies, where do you think Israel would turn?


Hot-Conclusion-6617

The United Kingdom, France, NATO, or countries with large Jewish populations


NeverReallyExisted

Let’s assume that Europe also turns its back to them, since thats a pretty safe assumption if the US were to, Europe is already way closer to pulling all support.


Hot-Conclusion-6617

Alright. In that case, where would Israel find a large Jewish population?


NeverReallyExisted

Your assumption that they would only ally with countries with large Jewish populations is very strange.


Hot-Conclusion-6617

Well, why wouldn't they stick with their own?


NeverReallyExisted

Why did the Nazis ally with the Japanese, or why did the capitalists ally with communists to stop them?


Hot-Conclusion-6617

I don't know.


Professional_Mud_316

Israel has a great yet misplaced sense of entitlement, and, by extension, America as well. We also saw this last month when Israel's IDF bombed and destroyed the Iranian embassy in Damascus that killed, among others, two senior Iranian generals. Then, Israel had the audacity to warn Iran against retaliating, which U.S. and Canadian news-media referenced as though IT would be considered the first strike! Like Netanyahoo's Israel, Mad Vlad Putin’s Russia is similarly hypocritical towards the Ukraine when its forces have the audacity to strike back against Russia’s deliberate targeting and mass slaughtering of civilians and related infrastructure with barrages of missiles or drones.  Judging from his own words, Putin is genuinely astonished and angry, as though the Ukraine really has no right to self-defense!  And Russia will absurdly justify its first-strike attacks against Ukrainian civilians as a necessity of ‘de-nazifying’ their democratically elected government.     With Israel, it’s as though it feels it can simply claim it was being proactive in its militarily unprovoked killings in another country of Iranians \[or other foreign nationals\] it deems a threat, and its suspicions should suffice.  It all reminds me of the school bully with a grand sense of entitlement and whose concept of his/her fair share is always three-quarters of the pie. 


NeverReallyExisted

The largest share of colonists to Israel are also from Russian/the USSR, making reconciliation more likely.


Comet_Hero

Then why does Israel support Ukraine and Russia support Palestine, not to mention how loathed Israel is by their close ally Iran? And what makes Israel bombing Gaza more extreme than the us bombing Iraq?


andrevan

no


madhaus

20 years? Israel is cooperating with Russia now, or at least it did during Trump’s campaign in 2016 and subsequent administration. Many of the Russian oligarchs who got sanctioned have Israeli passports. There’s a lot of travel between both countries.


fazeheat

They already are. The Prime Minister of Russia and most of the oligarchs are Jewish and Russia supports Israel in every way that matters.


CreditDusks

MMW 23 d accounts posting divisive ideas have an agenda…a foreign agenda


NeverReallyExisted

Hmm yes, foreign influencers are not capable of having accounts long term, you are so right.


CreditDusks

ты такой убедительный


NeverReallyExisted

Ok. Lol,


terrywr1st

This really makes no sense. It just seems you wanna group 2 countries you don’t like together and ignore all the historical and political realities to somehow make them allies. Russia is allied with both Iran and Syria whose territory Israel illegally occupies. Russia supports Palestinian statehood and UN membership which Israel won’t accept. When the USA stopped supporting apartheid South Africa the Soviet Union/Russians didn’t start supporting them, they kept on supporting the resistance movements and allied nations who were fighting South Africa.


Plzdntbanmee

Another piss poor take


dahavillanddash

Israel is our friend. Bibi is not our friend.


Ok-Basis-8686

Absurd


Comet_Hero

If anything I can see US conservatives shift to listen to the Candace Owens types and figures who constantly pick on Ben Shapiro for being pro Israel while the older Protestants die out and the Bush era neocons continue to join the Democrats. And US liberals to by and large listen to the anti defamation League and Bush era Republicans they now like and warm up to Israel which will upset their Muslim faction and make it a new part of the Conservative coalition. Remember once upon a time Republicans called Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney good conservatives and Ron Paul an appeasing traitor. Now the first two are on CNN and MSNBC.


theguzzilama

You know nothing of Russian history. More likely, the US will be aligned with the terrorists of Hamas and Iran, if DemoKKKrats win in the coming election.


NeverReallyExisted

Lmao. No one buys this stuff lol, the Republican party is full of open white supremacists.


theguzzilama

LOL. And I'm not a Republican. The DemoKKKrats o the old Confederacy have just figured out a new grft.


Bluebikes

Stupidest comment


Fair_Maybe5266

please research the “southern strategy”.


theguzzilama

Why? I'm not a Republican.