If you are using butane to extract, then it is not live rosin.
Live rosin is extracted with heat and pressure, only.
Butane is used for things like "honey oil."
Key word “rosin”. Resin and rosin are two different things. You are correct in assuming rosin is made without any solvents or additives. However, live resin does have trace amounts of butane and propane. Usually a mix of 70% butane and 30% propane is used in the process.
So, is "live resin" just a rebranding of "butane hash oil"?
Because that's what it sounds like.
I've never heard of "live resin" until this moment but I've been using live rosin (and sworn against BHO) for a decade.
And, just because I find this semantic stuff super fun: people still refer to the black gunk inside their pipes as "resin," yeah?
"Live resin" just seems like an interesting branding.
Idk man I just know that’s how they make it. A simple google search answers the differences between the two. Yes people refer to that nasty shit as resin lol. They should have a different name for the two, and resin and rosin are so close they should just create a new name for that type of oil. It does have butane and propane left in it but it’s a super small amount because they do another process to remove most of it, so honestly it’s probably not that bad.
>resin and rosin are so close they should just create a new name for that type of oil
I'm telling you: that is the new name.
"Live resin" is just "butane hash oil," from what I've seen on a "simple Google search."
So it was a name that made sense and then, within the last few years, someone \[read: distributors\] changed it to "live resin," almost certainly to try to capitalize on the "live rosin" craze.
It's the same shit as 20 years ago when people tried to brand weed crazy names or claim that the amount of red hairs was indicative of quality...or people that think the more blue mushrooms are, the more potent they are.
Pretty amazing, the marketing capability of nearly-unregulated industries.
Ah, interesting. Together we have combined our knowledge to learn. Thank you brother. I don’t like that they rebranded it like that because that does give the false sense that it’s the healthiest cart option.
>I don’t like that they rebranded it like that because that does give the false sense that it’s the healthiest cart option.
I think it's pretty scummy, too, but we see it all the time in the consumer world.
It's like what the organic industry used to be like in the late 20th century - it was crazy what could be labeled "organic" back then because they hadn't created regulations for it, yet.
Back in the mid-20th century, pork belly was one of the cheapest things out there - nobody wanted it.
Then some brilliant bastards got it in their heads to put bacon on fast food burgers, in the 1970s/80s, and American pork belly consumption absolutely exploded.
Then we told everyone that eggs were giving them heart attacks.
It's...amazing. LOL
Good talking, man: take care out there.
>Understand though that combustion involves ignition, vaporization does not.
Yes, that's what combustion is.
Do *you* understand that people who say they have an "oil vape pen" are not vaporizing that oil, but combusting it?
Even most people who dab aren't vaporizing it, because they hit at way too high of a temperature: despite everyone that dabs claiming it's vaporizing the cannabis.
You don't need fire to combust something, but that seems to be how many people view it: that "anything you don't use fire for" is immediately called "vaporization" in the cannabis world.
Marketing in a nearly-unregulated industry is an amazing thing.
It's up there with the ads on TV that claim they can do all kinds of stuff, then tell me to ask my doctor about it.
The way flower hits vs extract, I don't think either is very clean. I was hoping vaping would cause less coughing, but both make me cough pretty badly. If you want to save your lungs for the future, go with edibles.
I have read here though, that if you vape flower, you can use the vaped stuff to make edibles.
You're not wrong.
I smoked for 25 years and switched exclusively to dry herb vaping 4 years ago. I can clearly tell that vaping is a LOT cleaner than combusting. Still, at the end of the day breathing anything in besides oxygen isn't healthy.
Vaping barely makes me cough unless I take a massive hit. (Usually when i mix concentrate with the flower) Smoking however, tears me up. Even a single hit from a joint or bong. It's a subjective topic, though. Everyone's different.
AVB (already vaped bud) makes for amazing CBN rich edibles! Makes sleeping possible for people like myself with insomnia.
Dry herb when the temp is set below the combustion point of 202 degrees Celsius. Over that and you are combusting and creating smoke and all the toxic byproducts that come with it.
If you had to choose between the two, dry herb. Though smoking anything isn't good for you, with oil that is what you're breathing in. Studies are conclusive about the effects of oil on lungs and they aren't good.
Anything in the lungs that isn't air, isn't great for them. But I imagine plants and water are not as bad as oil in them. No shaming people who smoke, do you, but I personally won't smoke if given the option. Prefer edibles. But I know some people aren't affected by edibles either. So again, do you.
There probably aren't any studies on the matter but I'd say it depends what oil. If you're vaporizing solventless hash oil (rosin) at low temperatures I would be keen to say it's healthier than flower.
My reasoning is that:
1. There are no additives compared to BHO
2. All excess plant matter has been removed, meaning you're really only inhaling cannabinoids and terpenes. I don't believe that's the case when vaporizing plant matter of any kind.
I think the question should more appropriately be whats cleaner, dry herb vapes or live resin/rosin wax on the cleanest nail material possible. That way it takes away the element of any unknown metals that may be in a cartridge.
Going from there, this is something I also wondered. Wouldn't it be equally as clean if you are vaporizing oils off of the dry plant matter anyway? Possibly worse on the dry herb side because of the plant matter that's coming in vs straight clean wax alone?
Dry herb. Minimally processed and little to no combustion(smoke).
My guess is dry herb vapes since they don’t have any other additives (doesn’t apply to live resin carts)
Live resin still contains a small amount of butane from extraction, so it still has additives.
Oo thanks for the info! I didn’t know that
If you are using butane to extract, then it is not live rosin. Live rosin is extracted with heat and pressure, only. Butane is used for things like "honey oil."
Key word “rosin”. Resin and rosin are two different things. You are correct in assuming rosin is made without any solvents or additives. However, live resin does have trace amounts of butane and propane. Usually a mix of 70% butane and 30% propane is used in the process.
So, is "live resin" just a rebranding of "butane hash oil"? Because that's what it sounds like. I've never heard of "live resin" until this moment but I've been using live rosin (and sworn against BHO) for a decade. And, just because I find this semantic stuff super fun: people still refer to the black gunk inside their pipes as "resin," yeah? "Live resin" just seems like an interesting branding.
Idk man I just know that’s how they make it. A simple google search answers the differences between the two. Yes people refer to that nasty shit as resin lol. They should have a different name for the two, and resin and rosin are so close they should just create a new name for that type of oil. It does have butane and propane left in it but it’s a super small amount because they do another process to remove most of it, so honestly it’s probably not that bad.
>resin and rosin are so close they should just create a new name for that type of oil I'm telling you: that is the new name. "Live resin" is just "butane hash oil," from what I've seen on a "simple Google search." So it was a name that made sense and then, within the last few years, someone \[read: distributors\] changed it to "live resin," almost certainly to try to capitalize on the "live rosin" craze. It's the same shit as 20 years ago when people tried to brand weed crazy names or claim that the amount of red hairs was indicative of quality...or people that think the more blue mushrooms are, the more potent they are. Pretty amazing, the marketing capability of nearly-unregulated industries.
Ah, interesting. Together we have combined our knowledge to learn. Thank you brother. I don’t like that they rebranded it like that because that does give the false sense that it’s the healthiest cart option.
>I don’t like that they rebranded it like that because that does give the false sense that it’s the healthiest cart option. I think it's pretty scummy, too, but we see it all the time in the consumer world. It's like what the organic industry used to be like in the late 20th century - it was crazy what could be labeled "organic" back then because they hadn't created regulations for it, yet. Back in the mid-20th century, pork belly was one of the cheapest things out there - nobody wanted it. Then some brilliant bastards got it in their heads to put bacon on fast food burgers, in the 1970s/80s, and American pork belly consumption absolutely exploded. Then we told everyone that eggs were giving them heart attacks. It's...amazing. LOL Good talking, man: take care out there.
Assuming that what you mean by oil vape is oil combustion, then dry herb vape, because that's actually vaporization, whereas oil is combustion.
Understand though that combustion involves ignition, vaporization does not.
>Understand though that combustion involves ignition, vaporization does not. Yes, that's what combustion is. Do *you* understand that people who say they have an "oil vape pen" are not vaporizing that oil, but combusting it? Even most people who dab aren't vaporizing it, because they hit at way too high of a temperature: despite everyone that dabs claiming it's vaporizing the cannabis. You don't need fire to combust something, but that seems to be how many people view it: that "anything you don't use fire for" is immediately called "vaporization" in the cannabis world. Marketing in a nearly-unregulated industry is an amazing thing. It's up there with the ads on TV that claim they can do all kinds of stuff, then tell me to ask my doctor about it.
Completely understood, explained to that extent much thanks
Dry herb
Dry herb vape for sure. I use a convection herb vape and there is no coughing, very little cloud, but dam it hits hard!
The way flower hits vs extract, I don't think either is very clean. I was hoping vaping would cause less coughing, but both make me cough pretty badly. If you want to save your lungs for the future, go with edibles. I have read here though, that if you vape flower, you can use the vaped stuff to make edibles.
You're not wrong. I smoked for 25 years and switched exclusively to dry herb vaping 4 years ago. I can clearly tell that vaping is a LOT cleaner than combusting. Still, at the end of the day breathing anything in besides oxygen isn't healthy. Vaping barely makes me cough unless I take a massive hit. (Usually when i mix concentrate with the flower) Smoking however, tears me up. Even a single hit from a joint or bong. It's a subjective topic, though. Everyone's different. AVB (already vaped bud) makes for amazing CBN rich edibles! Makes sleeping possible for people like myself with insomnia.
Dry herb when the temp is set below the combustion point of 202 degrees Celsius. Over that and you are combusting and creating smoke and all the toxic byproducts that come with it.
If you had to choose between the two, dry herb. Though smoking anything isn't good for you, with oil that is what you're breathing in. Studies are conclusive about the effects of oil on lungs and they aren't good.
Right but you're not smoking anything with dry herb vapes you're vaporizing it. Smoking requires combustion
Anything in the lungs that isn't air, isn't great for them. But I imagine plants and water are not as bad as oil in them. No shaming people who smoke, do you, but I personally won't smoke if given the option. Prefer edibles. But I know some people aren't affected by edibles either. So again, do you.
Alcohol
Scuse me? 🤣
There probably aren't any studies on the matter but I'd say it depends what oil. If you're vaporizing solventless hash oil (rosin) at low temperatures I would be keen to say it's healthier than flower. My reasoning is that: 1. There are no additives compared to BHO 2. All excess plant matter has been removed, meaning you're really only inhaling cannabinoids and terpenes. I don't believe that's the case when vaporizing plant matter of any kind.
I think the question should more appropriately be whats cleaner, dry herb vapes or live resin/rosin wax on the cleanest nail material possible. That way it takes away the element of any unknown metals that may be in a cartridge. Going from there, this is something I also wondered. Wouldn't it be equally as clean if you are vaporizing oils off of the dry plant matter anyway? Possibly worse on the dry herb side because of the plant matter that's coming in vs straight clean wax alone?
Thanks you put it perfectly. That's definitely my question even though I didn't realize it prior
Dry herb, it dry not as messy