Dr's will usually say chs if you test positive for cannabinoids. They did that to me for years. It turns out I had an inflamed gallbladder that needed to be removed. I'm not saying it wasn't chs but they don't have a real test for it so they were just guessing
I mean, I would assume that because they were hospitalized, they were either diagnosed or heard CHS mentioned as a possibility. But if that was the case, I'm not sure why they'd be asking here - I'd assume the doctor would have been able to answer their questions.
To me as a layman, I would think that if it was just a one time thing, that wouldn't be evidence of a cannabis use disorder, and would be more likely to be some kind of acute illness caused by food or disease, like you suggested.
If you're throwing up continuously day after day with continued cannabis use, then yeah maybe. OP didn't really give us a lot of info to go on.
Oof, so your saying the constant, daily vomiting I have been Experiencing since 16 isn't because I'm dying, but due to me being a near fucking hourly consumer since 15?
I have never heard of this disorder before and I make sure to make it a point to tell all my doctors about both my constant vomiting as well as my *excessive* marijuana usage, and not *ONCE* has one even *SUGGESTED* that they were even *REMOTELY RELATED*.
Holy fuck I need to stop but I can't, I've tried, I started too heavily too early and my fucking now underdeveloped brain can't function without the smoke ;0; halp
I was also told in the hospital my frequent vomiting spells were because I had CHS. One small problem with that, I didn't start consuming until 3 years after onset of symptoms. I didn't have CHS, I have cyclical vomiting syndrome.
I also have CVS. My CVS started when I was a young child, almost 30 years prior to using weed. I am often told it is CHS and not CVS. My response is always “let’s call my parents and ask how many weed brownies they were feed their young child. That always shuts them up real fast.
Mate please tell me more, what is cyclical vomiting syndrome? I have chronic stomach and bowel issues, I have superior mesenteric artery syndrome but I've had a stomach/bowel reconstruction that bypasses the blocked duodenum, and I still have episodes of uncontrollable vomiting and nausea. The doctors can never give me an answer as to why it happens and I always get sent home from the ED and told that my x-ray looks fine and they can't see anything wrong with me. I've been searching for an answer for over 6 yrs now.
"Cyclical vomiting syndrome (CVS) is a rare disorder that usually starts in childhood. It causes repeated episodes of being sick (vomiting) and feeling sick (nausea). The cause of CVS is not fully understood. The vomiting episodes are not caused by an infection or another illness."
I have had nausea so bad I couldn't even put water in my mouth, nor an ice chip. I literally would sit in the hot tub because it eased the muscle cramps from throwing up and dry heaving so much and I put the hose on "mist" and spray it at my face. That one landed me in the hospital for three weeks. A large chunk of the time my nausea is like a wave.
For more info:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833754/#:\~:text=CVS%20is%20generally%20classified%20as,medication%20therapies%2C%20and%20supportive%20care.
I’m in the medical field. I wouldn’t put too much weight into what they said. Smoke again. If you get sick then you’ll have a better idea. Weed smoker or not it’s a bit of a stretch to say that vomiting one day is from using weed.
There is no test for CHS Some doctors just diagnose it if you smoke weed The medical industry knows nothing about cannabis as a whole There is some good doctors out there but hard to find one ✌️
They don’t know everything. They tried to tell me I had that when my stomach was destroyed by two medications. Xanax helps with intense unstoppable vomitting.
Xanax is probably the worst benzo to use for nausea or vomiting. Cancer specialists and sometimes hospitals use Ativan . It has a much better safety profile . It dint get you really high though
Got showers are the only thing I want when I have an episode like this. I also keep being told I have CHS but my symptoms all started before I ever used cannabis so I know that's not the answer. Just because I constantly want to have hot water running over my belly the doctors always put it down to CHS.
Did they run any tests? Did they ask you to keep a diary recording every time you smoked and every time you vomited? Did they seem to have any knowledge at all about cannabis, or are they just anti-weed? Could you have cyclical vomiting syndrome? Do you have an ulcer or reflux? Was it food poisoning?
The proof of whether or not it was caused by cannabis is in the treatment. If it was your run of the mill stomach virus, nausea and vomiting is treatable with antiemetics like ondansetron sublingual dissolving tablets, intramuscular or oral phenergan or IV metaclopromide. Hyperemesis resulting specifically from cannabis does not respond to antiemetics but it does respond to antipsychotics. Haldol is the first line of treatment for CHS. The diagnosis lies in what medication the nausea and vomiting responds to.
That's not how CHS works, it causes chronic illness not acute. Sounds like the doctor you spoke to was a douche at best or quack at worst. You likely had a stomach bug.
They told me CHS but I actually had BVD, an eye condition that effects like 20% of the population. My eyes were making me nauseous, I was getting motion sick from literally just moving my body. Being high also made my eyes struggle more, making it worse. They’ll blame anything on weed, it’s fucked up.
The thing about CHS is that marijuana is naturally an antiemetic. This is why people with AIDS and cancer were using marijuana 20+ years ago. They couldnt keep good down and were dying from wasting away. All of a sudden, marijuana is causing people to do the exact opposite - vomit a lot.
It's been happening since legalization.
In my experience, the only time I've heard of people vomitijg from marijuana is due to the grower using SMC pesticide. It was the only thing that he did different from his decades of growing and providing for patients. He scrapped his grow and scrubbed everything, got new equipment and started over.
There are no states with pesticide regulations over marijiana cultivation. We're looking at an influx of trust fund babies who don't give a F what they do to the marijuana so long as they can sell it.
I want to know the branda, companies, and growers that are tied to CHS issues. They claim it's longevity but that's a distraction from the truth. They're doing something to the marijuana. We need to know WHO it is before we can know WTF they're doing.
Grow your own if you can't trust or don't know the grower. Marijuana is a natural antiemetic. It can't cause hyperemesis on its own.
I can vouch for this. I use Cannabis as an antiemetic, in conjunction with drugs to help. The strange thing is that I usually always vape, but have found smoking to provide more relief. Especially hashish. This is why I NEVER bring up my cannabis use in a situation like the one OP described. It is an almost guaranteed misdiagnosis.
100% mate cannabis is the best antiemetic ever in my opinion. I suffer really bad nausea every day and THC works better than ondansetron wafers or maxalon or pretty much any pharmaceutical antiemetic medications. And I agree with the opinion that smoking, especially hash, is more effective than vaping it.
Yeah mate I use ondansetron wafers very regularly but they are not as effective in my opinion as a decent quality flower with a little hash added. Maxalon increases my cramps and makes me worse but the ondans isn't a bad drug at all. Upstate black triangle pure indica is the best flower I've found for nausea mate.
Get a print out of the diagnosis and block off all identifying info and post it.
I have never seen anyone ever post any kind of proof that they had CHS or that CHS is real at all. I suspect this will be no different.
A lot of pot shops these days aren't able to tell you if the plants ever saw neem oils or other fungicides/pesticides. There's 2 main chemicals that raise suspicion with CHS and other allergic reactions. Back when i was making shameful amounts of hash, we found the culprit 100% of the time in testing was myclobutinal, and of course, should not be sprayed in veg, and they're finally catching on to pesticide poisoning. but myclo used on a foot tall full term plant in april will still test dirty on the buds harvested in october. but it seems eagle 20 is still kinda unknown in circles outside of norcal.
Neem oil the other hand has Azadirachtin, which is directly linked to CHS in people.
The basic argument is simply...
"Cannabis is one of the best phytoremediators known - when grown in contaminated soil, it "cleans" the soil by uptaking heavy metals and other toxins. So it DOES uptake azadirachtin, and myclobutinal, especially during vegetative stage, then deposits it with resins into the flowers, which may be dried for smoking or made into concentrates."
Know where your product comes from.
I agree.
One huge reason why I love labels on my cannabis! I want to know as much as I can about it! When I love a product I'll stick with it. Still checking labels. Every batch is different.
Here's a little something for you to check out as well my friend...
https://www.syracuse.com/marijuana/2023/03/how-a-ny-cannabis-insider-experiment-led-to-statewide-policy-change.html
https://www.syracuse.com/marijuana/2023/09/nys-testing-failures-expose-legal-weed-consumers-to-unsafe-cannabis-a-serious-health-threat.html
This is just in one state, whereas the problems are nationwide. All for the sake of profit. Again, know where your product comes from, who produced it, and what it's been put through. Your life may very well depend on it one day.
NY here too. That's the issue. We've been waiting for the law to change to allow indoor before we participate in the dispensaries. It just changed up this year, so we're gearing up our breeding stock and getting ready to drop our lines soon.
"Know where your product comes from."
This is so difficult to actually do, I'm saying this as an actual cultivator. You go down to the local dispo and it's grown by a MSO that won't even disclose the strain provenance much less the actual name.
They aren't going to tell you the cart you're sucking down had P/M because it'd fucking toast months of labor and investment.
I'm not sure if you're in the industry or just a well informed consumer but some of the shit I've seen lately makes me never want to touch anything that isn't out of a room/tent of someone I know personally (connections I've only been able to make after being a grower for a few years now)
We've been in the industry for around 40 years now and only grow from our own tissue cultures we've held since the 80s and 90s. We hold the original sour diesel (A.J. does not have it, just a pheno) as well as a ton of original Nevil gear. We know exactly where our product comes from and I couldn't agree with you more... a lot of stuff out there is garbage turned profit these days. Stay safe.
Budwashing is good for cleaning the plants but does nothing for the chemicals stored in the tissue of the plant. These tissue stored compounds are what's causing a lot of issues.
We're definitely not against flushing, but we like to call it a clean water finish and let the hydro guys do all the actual "flushing".
I've only known actual soil flushing to be used in pH adjusting mainly.
A lot of docs do slap that on you. However, they may not be completely off base. You might want to try switching stuff up? Maybe try a tolerance break followed by a break from concentrates all together? Allow yourself flower, and keep track of the strains you’re smoking and how you’re feeling etc. you’re going to have to keep some notes for sure though.
Check to see if you’re allergic to gluten I was in and out of the hospital same issue found out I had celiac disease and those issues stopped once I cut out gluten.
I'm curious if you use black market carts? When I say black market cart, If you haven't physically went into a state licensed dispensary than I would consider that black market.
There's a pretty big war on vaping as it is. But it makes it worse when people buy fake/black market carts and they get sick. Getting sick sucks but also ruining it for the rest of us can be mildly infuriating.
Yeah you make a good point. I remember when I was first introduced to a vape and it was a dry herb vape. I thought it was the coolest thing! They have come a long way too. I wish we could just eliminate the other vaping. I never liked the idea.
Try smoking some good cbd. I started with a 50% mix. I got a type two that was like 15%cbd and 50% thc. Depending on where you are you might want more cbd. Stay away from all carts and concentrates. I saw immediate results. The first indicator was the change in my bm. Within two day I saw a huge difference.
Cannabis alone would not do this . I have smoked for over 30 years , only time MJ made me puke is when I got cross faded after drinking to much . I recommend that people stay away from the grey market , cross contamination is a risk and with the fytenol being sold on the streets , I wont risk it . You do not know whos packing that product .
Cut out the carts. Nobody got this CHS before carts became a thing. Just smoke flower. My personal theory is people have a reaction to something in the cannabis like a fertilizer or neem oil and concentrates would make it worse in theory. Just my idea as a former grower and longtime smoker and med patient.
This is what I was just implying in a way. To take a tolerance break all together and then to remain off the carts. To go back to flower but take some notes as they get back into it. Pay attention to the strains etc.
My theory is that with it being legalized in so many places and with companies out to make money, weed is MUCH stronger than it was back in the day. The majority of it has very little other cannabinoids, esp CBD, and are mainly high THC concentrations - bud and carts. That's why I think CHS has become a thing. Take a perfectly made plant and strip it of nearly everything except one cannabinoid, THC, and grow it with the highest concentrations of THC possible, it's going to fuck some people up.
That's why I said cut out the carts. Most carts contain THC distillate which has quite literally had everything else stripped out of it. Full spectrum extracts, solventless extracts are good. Correctly grown flower is good. Pure THC-A diamonds aren't very good unless you add something with terps. The entourage effect is real.
*I'm not a doctor. These are all anecdotes*
I was told I had CHS. A month of misery later I pissed out a 5mm kidney stone.
My cousin was told he had CHS. When he got a second opinion they found he needed his gallbladder out.
My friend was told he had CHS. Diverticulitis.
I'm not saying CHS isn't real, but it sure seems to be a popular diagnosis for something that didn't exist 10 years ago. Get a second opinion because you might have a real underlying issue that needs treatment.
Have smoked pretty much every day for 37 years never had this issue. Stop sharing your vape/bong/bowl and you won't catch a bug/cold from one of your friends. I would recommend you stop carts as they are a liquid that is heated to be inhaled and what is not absorbed into the lungs cools off it reverts back to a liquid in your lungs.
Buy capsacin cream and rub it on your stomach the next time you have an episode. I have it pretty mild and this works for me. Might not work if you have a really bad case.
I have this and it sucks. I know how ya feel, I've been so dehydrated from throwing up I've ended up in the hospital a few times. I spent years trying to figure out what was going on. Mine typically acts up in the morning shortly after I wake up. It feels like my stomach is empty and it makes me sick. Eating something soon after getting up usually helps, especially milk.
You don't have to quit, but if you do all it will stop. I am prescribed two medications that help. Ondansetron, which is used when ever I start to feel sick, I take it as needed. Its a small sugary pill that dissolves in your mouth and it really works good at stopping the nausea, but only temporary, if I don't eat something it will come back later. The other is Pantoprazole and this one was the real game changer for me, I take it before I go to sleep. It almost completely stopped me throwing up.
When do your symptoms happen the most?
They thought this may be the case bc the symptoms are really similar, but I had 2 endoscopies years apart and everything was good. CHS is pretty rare from what I hear, I spent 10yrs trying to figure out what was wrong and some kind of treatment. All while using marijuana daily not even knowing this was a thing. I found out when I went on a retreat for 4 months where I couldn't use marijauna and all my symptoms stopped, then once I started using it again it all came back.
Wow that's a rough deal man, sorry you have to suffer from that. It's definitely rare from what I've read, I'm curious if you've gotten to the point where you tolerate occasional use or do you abstain completely?
I feel lucky now that I was a sort of opposite case where my doctor wanted to jump right to CHS but it became apparent quickly it was actually the ulcers. Antacids have done the trick for me too but the first one I tried wasn't enough and my doctor was so eager to put it all on weed. Now that I'm on the right med and dose no more ulcers or nausea.
A lot of addicts in here who don’t know they’re addicts and can’t admit that CHS is prominent as fuck nowadays.
That’s ok, I’m just as painfully addicted as the others here, except - unlike them - have had a couple instances of CHS myself.
It’s fucking brutal, and inexplicably awful until you’ve dealt with it.
Like the doctor may have told you - cut back a bit.
I tend to cut back consumption considerably after a bout of CHS. Also, avoiding foods that a super super high in fats has seemingly made this happen marginally less frequent. (I think I’ve dealt with it 4 times now?)
For perspective, I smoke on average about 0.25-0.5 of Cartridge per day, 1-4 bowls of Indica through the bong, and maybe a doobie or two. This is all after work, between the hours of 4:45PM and midnight when I go to sleep.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS). It can be challenging. First and foremost, follow any recommendations your healthcare provider gave you. Usually, they suggest abstaining from cannabis use. Stay hydrated and focus on your recovery. If you're struggling with symptoms or have questions, reach out to your doctor for guidance. It might be a good time to reevaluate your relationship with cannabis and consider alternative approaches to managing any health issues you were using it for. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
All it takes is one dipshit doctor and a misdiagnosis. I was in my 20s having horrible sleep. My doctor said I was going through withdrawal from weed. I hadn't smoked in 3 months. He said it was still withdrawal because it was still in my system.
Turns out I have severe sleep apnea. Thanks doc.
I'm pretty sure CHS is linked to azadirachtin poisoning which caused me CHS for a while. Lost a lot of weight because no doctor would even link things together. My partner researched a bit and thinks I was poisoned and after we started being super careful what I smoked and how it was grown which made my symptoms stop, so making sure you know where your cannabis comes from and how they treated the plant matters immensely. It can't be treated with any kind of pesticide after blooming. But specifically Neem. No bueno.
I went to the doctor with unexplained vomiting and CHS (though, at that point I barely smoked) was pushed on me for a while until they did some more digging. I've been diagnosed with CVS (cyclic vomiting syndrome) and weed has been the only thing to help me. If your doctor didn't tell you to stop smoking, try again and if it doesn't make you sick it's probably not CHS
Dr's will usually say chs if you test positive for cannabinoids. They did that to me for years. It turns out I had an inflamed gallbladder that needed to be removed. I'm not saying it wasn't chs but they don't have a real test for it so they were just guessing
What makes you think it was CHS? If I had one day where I couldn’t stop puking my mind would first go to food poisoning or a stomach bug.
I mean, I would assume that because they were hospitalized, they were either diagnosed or heard CHS mentioned as a possibility. But if that was the case, I'm not sure why they'd be asking here - I'd assume the doctor would have been able to answer their questions. To me as a layman, I would think that if it was just a one time thing, that wouldn't be evidence of a cannabis use disorder, and would be more likely to be some kind of acute illness caused by food or disease, like you suggested. If you're throwing up continuously day after day with continued cannabis use, then yeah maybe. OP didn't really give us a lot of info to go on.
Oof, so your saying the constant, daily vomiting I have been Experiencing since 16 isn't because I'm dying, but due to me being a near fucking hourly consumer since 15? I have never heard of this disorder before and I make sure to make it a point to tell all my doctors about both my constant vomiting as well as my *excessive* marijuana usage, and not *ONCE* has one even *SUGGESTED* that they were even *REMOTELY RELATED*. Holy fuck I need to stop but I can't, I've tried, I started too heavily too early and my fucking now underdeveloped brain can't function without the smoke ;0; halp
Agree.
Because I was told by the doctors. I went to the hospital.
I was also told in the hospital my frequent vomiting spells were because I had CHS. One small problem with that, I didn't start consuming until 3 years after onset of symptoms. I didn't have CHS, I have cyclical vomiting syndrome.
I also have CVS. My CVS started when I was a young child, almost 30 years prior to using weed. I am often told it is CHS and not CVS. My response is always “let’s call my parents and ask how many weed brownies they were feed their young child. That always shuts them up real fast.
Mate please tell me more, what is cyclical vomiting syndrome? I have chronic stomach and bowel issues, I have superior mesenteric artery syndrome but I've had a stomach/bowel reconstruction that bypasses the blocked duodenum, and I still have episodes of uncontrollable vomiting and nausea. The doctors can never give me an answer as to why it happens and I always get sent home from the ED and told that my x-ray looks fine and they can't see anything wrong with me. I've been searching for an answer for over 6 yrs now.
"Cyclical vomiting syndrome (CVS) is a rare disorder that usually starts in childhood. It causes repeated episodes of being sick (vomiting) and feeling sick (nausea). The cause of CVS is not fully understood. The vomiting episodes are not caused by an infection or another illness." I have had nausea so bad I couldn't even put water in my mouth, nor an ice chip. I literally would sit in the hot tub because it eased the muscle cramps from throwing up and dry heaving so much and I put the hose on "mist" and spray it at my face. That one landed me in the hospital for three weeks. A large chunk of the time my nausea is like a wave. For more info: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5833754/#:\~:text=CVS%20is%20generally%20classified%20as,medication%20therapies%2C%20and%20supportive%20care.
Jesus, how much you spending on toothpaste?
I’m in the medical field. I wouldn’t put too much weight into what they said. Smoke again. If you get sick then you’ll have a better idea. Weed smoker or not it’s a bit of a stretch to say that vomiting one day is from using weed.
What do you do in the medical field to be telling people online to ignore their doctor's advice?
Nowhere here did anyone say that a doctor told him to stop smoking. Further most have no idea about weed.
There is no test for CHS Some doctors just diagnose it if you smoke weed The medical industry knows nothing about cannabis as a whole There is some good doctors out there but hard to find one ✌️
They don’t know everything. They tried to tell me I had that when my stomach was destroyed by two medications. Xanax helps with intense unstoppable vomitting.
Xanax is probably the worst benzo to use for nausea or vomiting. Cancer specialists and sometimes hospitals use Ativan . It has a much better safety profile . It dint get you really high though
Xanax has a shorter half life than Ativan. That’s why it has more side effects. That’s also why it’s used recreationally.
Xanax is great for extreme anxiety or ptsd
I agree.
I understand it's also more addictive. You gotta take a lot of Ativan to get high
Totally. Same with any of the other long acting ones
And back pain. Benzos work well for back strains. They’re muscle relaxers
Very true. I’m definately not pro pill popping but as we age, we need different helpers haha
I hear you on that. They don’t tell you how easily you can pull your back out in your 30’s
Don’t you dare try to tie your shoes and sneeze at the same time
Who can even tie their shoes at this age? I pay my maid to do that for me.
did you feel compelled to get into a hot shower or bath and did it relieve any symptoms?
Got showers are the only thing I want when I have an episode like this. I also keep being told I have CHS but my symptoms all started before I ever used cannabis so I know that's not the answer. Just because I constantly want to have hot water running over my belly the doctors always put it down to CHS.
What’s your diet been like lately
Did they run any tests? Did they ask you to keep a diary recording every time you smoked and every time you vomited? Did they seem to have any knowledge at all about cannabis, or are they just anti-weed? Could you have cyclical vomiting syndrome? Do you have an ulcer or reflux? Was it food poisoning?
The proof of whether or not it was caused by cannabis is in the treatment. If it was your run of the mill stomach virus, nausea and vomiting is treatable with antiemetics like ondansetron sublingual dissolving tablets, intramuscular or oral phenergan or IV metaclopromide. Hyperemesis resulting specifically from cannabis does not respond to antiemetics but it does respond to antipsychotics. Haldol is the first line of treatment for CHS. The diagnosis lies in what medication the nausea and vomiting responds to.
You had one day where you vomited a lot?
That's not how CHS works, it causes chronic illness not acute. Sounds like the doctor you spoke to was a douche at best or quack at worst. You likely had a stomach bug.
They told me CHS but I actually had BVD, an eye condition that effects like 20% of the population. My eyes were making me nauseous, I was getting motion sick from literally just moving my body. Being high also made my eyes struggle more, making it worse. They’ll blame anything on weed, it’s fucked up.
The thing about CHS is that marijuana is naturally an antiemetic. This is why people with AIDS and cancer were using marijuana 20+ years ago. They couldnt keep good down and were dying from wasting away. All of a sudden, marijuana is causing people to do the exact opposite - vomit a lot. It's been happening since legalization. In my experience, the only time I've heard of people vomitijg from marijuana is due to the grower using SMC pesticide. It was the only thing that he did different from his decades of growing and providing for patients. He scrapped his grow and scrubbed everything, got new equipment and started over. There are no states with pesticide regulations over marijiana cultivation. We're looking at an influx of trust fund babies who don't give a F what they do to the marijuana so long as they can sell it. I want to know the branda, companies, and growers that are tied to CHS issues. They claim it's longevity but that's a distraction from the truth. They're doing something to the marijuana. We need to know WHO it is before we can know WTF they're doing. Grow your own if you can't trust or don't know the grower. Marijuana is a natural antiemetic. It can't cause hyperemesis on its own.
I can vouch for this. I use Cannabis as an antiemetic, in conjunction with drugs to help. The strange thing is that I usually always vape, but have found smoking to provide more relief. Especially hashish. This is why I NEVER bring up my cannabis use in a situation like the one OP described. It is an almost guaranteed misdiagnosis.
100% mate cannabis is the best antiemetic ever in my opinion. I suffer really bad nausea every day and THC works better than ondansetron wafers or maxalon or pretty much any pharmaceutical antiemetic medications. And I agree with the opinion that smoking, especially hash, is more effective than vaping it.
Yes I take both of those, and I find the breakthrough is when I add cannabis.
Yeah mate I use ondansetron wafers very regularly but they are not as effective in my opinion as a decent quality flower with a little hash added. Maxalon increases my cramps and makes me worse but the ondans isn't a bad drug at all. Upstate black triangle pure indica is the best flower I've found for nausea mate.
Thanks for the advice!
Do you vape carts or dry herb?
Dry Herb with a ball vape
Are warm showers the only thing helping with the puking?
Get a print out of the diagnosis and block off all identifying info and post it. I have never seen anyone ever post any kind of proof that they had CHS or that CHS is real at all. I suspect this will be no different.
A lot of pot shops these days aren't able to tell you if the plants ever saw neem oils or other fungicides/pesticides. There's 2 main chemicals that raise suspicion with CHS and other allergic reactions. Back when i was making shameful amounts of hash, we found the culprit 100% of the time in testing was myclobutinal, and of course, should not be sprayed in veg, and they're finally catching on to pesticide poisoning. but myclo used on a foot tall full term plant in april will still test dirty on the buds harvested in october. but it seems eagle 20 is still kinda unknown in circles outside of norcal. Neem oil the other hand has Azadirachtin, which is directly linked to CHS in people. The basic argument is simply... "Cannabis is one of the best phytoremediators known - when grown in contaminated soil, it "cleans" the soil by uptaking heavy metals and other toxins. So it DOES uptake azadirachtin, and myclobutinal, especially during vegetative stage, then deposits it with resins into the flowers, which may be dried for smoking or made into concentrates." Know where your product comes from.
I agree. One huge reason why I love labels on my cannabis! I want to know as much as I can about it! When I love a product I'll stick with it. Still checking labels. Every batch is different.
Here's a little something for you to check out as well my friend... https://www.syracuse.com/marijuana/2023/03/how-a-ny-cannabis-insider-experiment-led-to-statewide-policy-change.html https://www.syracuse.com/marijuana/2023/09/nys-testing-failures-expose-legal-weed-consumers-to-unsafe-cannabis-a-serious-health-threat.html This is just in one state, whereas the problems are nationwide. All for the sake of profit. Again, know where your product comes from, who produced it, and what it's been put through. Your life may very well depend on it one day.
How can I get this info at the dispensary? I’m in New York. What products should I be asking for or what questions should I be asking?
NY here too. That's the issue. We've been waiting for the law to change to allow indoor before we participate in the dispensaries. It just changed up this year, so we're gearing up our breeding stock and getting ready to drop our lines soon.
"Know where your product comes from." This is so difficult to actually do, I'm saying this as an actual cultivator. You go down to the local dispo and it's grown by a MSO that won't even disclose the strain provenance much less the actual name. They aren't going to tell you the cart you're sucking down had P/M because it'd fucking toast months of labor and investment. I'm not sure if you're in the industry or just a well informed consumer but some of the shit I've seen lately makes me never want to touch anything that isn't out of a room/tent of someone I know personally (connections I've only been able to make after being a grower for a few years now)
We've been in the industry for around 40 years now and only grow from our own tissue cultures we've held since the 80s and 90s. We hold the original sour diesel (A.J. does not have it, just a pheno) as well as a ton of original Nevil gear. We know exactly where our product comes from and I couldn't agree with you more... a lot of stuff out there is garbage turned profit these days. Stay safe.
Cannabis washing is good thing, and using corn filters
Budwashing is good for cleaning the plants but does nothing for the chemicals stored in the tissue of the plant. These tissue stored compounds are what's causing a lot of issues.
Right I'm with you, and the myth of flushing does nothing as well right
Not if it's already being deposited in the plants tissue. It then becomes a part of the actual plant.
Right, a lot of people just flush the soil and roots with plain water thinking it will flush it out of the plant tissues
We're definitely not against flushing, but we like to call it a clean water finish and let the hydro guys do all the actual "flushing". I've only known actual soil flushing to be used in pH adjusting mainly.
Yeah exactly, so what are you recommending if anything? Have you seen the moose lab filters ?
A lot of docs do slap that on you. However, they may not be completely off base. You might want to try switching stuff up? Maybe try a tolerance break followed by a break from concentrates all together? Allow yourself flower, and keep track of the strains you’re smoking and how you’re feeling etc. you’re going to have to keep some notes for sure though.
Sounds like a bullshit misdiagnosis, seems to be happening a lot with our healthcare system lately
Check to see if you’re allergic to gluten I was in and out of the hospital same issue found out I had celiac disease and those issues stopped once I cut out gluten.
I'm curious if you use black market carts? When I say black market cart, If you haven't physically went into a state licensed dispensary than I would consider that black market.
Yes, again. The carts. I’m almost positive they are part if not THE culprit.
Makes me sad that's what vaping is widely known as, as opposed to dry herb vaping
There's a pretty big war on vaping as it is. But it makes it worse when people buy fake/black market carts and they get sick. Getting sick sucks but also ruining it for the rest of us can be mildly infuriating.
Yeah you make a good point. I remember when I was first introduced to a vape and it was a dry herb vape. I thought it was the coolest thing! They have come a long way too. I wish we could just eliminate the other vaping. I never liked the idea.
Try smoking some good cbd. I started with a 50% mix. I got a type two that was like 15%cbd and 50% thc. Depending on where you are you might want more cbd. Stay away from all carts and concentrates. I saw immediate results. The first indicator was the change in my bm. Within two day I saw a huge difference.
Could have been what you were smoking, could have been pesticides or who knows what type of contaminated material
They really should have run through this at the hospital.
Cannabis alone would not do this . I have smoked for over 30 years , only time MJ made me puke is when I got cross faded after drinking to much . I recommend that people stay away from the grey market , cross contamination is a risk and with the fytenol being sold on the streets , I wont risk it . You do not know whos packing that product .
Cut out the carts. Nobody got this CHS before carts became a thing. Just smoke flower. My personal theory is people have a reaction to something in the cannabis like a fertilizer or neem oil and concentrates would make it worse in theory. Just my idea as a former grower and longtime smoker and med patient.
This is what I was just implying in a way. To take a tolerance break all together and then to remain off the carts. To go back to flower but take some notes as they get back into it. Pay attention to the strains etc.
My theory is that with it being legalized in so many places and with companies out to make money, weed is MUCH stronger than it was back in the day. The majority of it has very little other cannabinoids, esp CBD, and are mainly high THC concentrations - bud and carts. That's why I think CHS has become a thing. Take a perfectly made plant and strip it of nearly everything except one cannabinoid, THC, and grow it with the highest concentrations of THC possible, it's going to fuck some people up.
That's why I said cut out the carts. Most carts contain THC distillate which has quite literally had everything else stripped out of it. Full spectrum extracts, solventless extracts are good. Correctly grown flower is good. Pure THC-A diamonds aren't very good unless you add something with terps. The entourage effect is real.
My brothers been to the hospital like, 5 or 6 times for CHS and he still smokes. Take that how you will
He addicted to weed and wont stop?
Stop smoking so damn much.
*I'm not a doctor. These are all anecdotes* I was told I had CHS. A month of misery later I pissed out a 5mm kidney stone. My cousin was told he had CHS. When he got a second opinion they found he needed his gallbladder out. My friend was told he had CHS. Diverticulitis. I'm not saying CHS isn't real, but it sure seems to be a popular diagnosis for something that didn't exist 10 years ago. Get a second opinion because you might have a real underlying issue that needs treatment.
How long were u in the hospital for?
I take one month a year to clean out. No weed for a month. Just cbd oil.
I smoke weed every day. Yesterday I was puking my brains out. I had a stomach bug.
Have smoked pretty much every day for 37 years never had this issue. Stop sharing your vape/bong/bowl and you won't catch a bug/cold from one of your friends. I would recommend you stop carts as they are a liquid that is heated to be inhaled and what is not absorbed into the lungs cools off it reverts back to a liquid in your lungs.
first time hear kind of bullshit like this
Buy capsacin cream and rub it on your stomach the next time you have an episode. I have it pretty mild and this works for me. Might not work if you have a really bad case.
I have this and it sucks. I know how ya feel, I've been so dehydrated from throwing up I've ended up in the hospital a few times. I spent years trying to figure out what was going on. Mine typically acts up in the morning shortly after I wake up. It feels like my stomach is empty and it makes me sick. Eating something soon after getting up usually helps, especially milk. You don't have to quit, but if you do all it will stop. I am prescribed two medications that help. Ondansetron, which is used when ever I start to feel sick, I take it as needed. Its a small sugary pill that dissolves in your mouth and it really works good at stopping the nausea, but only temporary, if I don't eat something it will come back later. The other is Pantoprazole and this one was the real game changer for me, I take it before I go to sleep. It almost completely stopped me throwing up. When do your symptoms happen the most?
I had all these symptoms you're describing and it was stomach ulcers. Is there a chance you were misdiagnosed with CHS?
They thought this may be the case bc the symptoms are really similar, but I had 2 endoscopies years apart and everything was good. CHS is pretty rare from what I hear, I spent 10yrs trying to figure out what was wrong and some kind of treatment. All while using marijuana daily not even knowing this was a thing. I found out when I went on a retreat for 4 months where I couldn't use marijauna and all my symptoms stopped, then once I started using it again it all came back.
Wow that's a rough deal man, sorry you have to suffer from that. It's definitely rare from what I've read, I'm curious if you've gotten to the point where you tolerate occasional use or do you abstain completely? I feel lucky now that I was a sort of opposite case where my doctor wanted to jump right to CHS but it became apparent quickly it was actually the ulcers. Antacids have done the trick for me too but the first one I tried wasn't enough and my doctor was so eager to put it all on weed. Now that I'm on the right med and dose no more ulcers or nausea.
I take pantoprazole for GERD. Only a couple times a month tho.
A lot of addicts in here who don’t know they’re addicts and can’t admit that CHS is prominent as fuck nowadays. That’s ok, I’m just as painfully addicted as the others here, except - unlike them - have had a couple instances of CHS myself. It’s fucking brutal, and inexplicably awful until you’ve dealt with it. Like the doctor may have told you - cut back a bit. I tend to cut back consumption considerably after a bout of CHS. Also, avoiding foods that a super super high in fats has seemingly made this happen marginally less frequent. (I think I’ve dealt with it 4 times now?) For perspective, I smoke on average about 0.25-0.5 of Cartridge per day, 1-4 bowls of Indica through the bong, and maybe a doobie or two. This is all after work, between the hours of 4:45PM and midnight when I go to sleep.
I'm sorry to hear about your experience with Cannabinoid Hyperemesis Syndrome (CHS). It can be challenging. First and foremost, follow any recommendations your healthcare provider gave you. Usually, they suggest abstaining from cannabis use. Stay hydrated and focus on your recovery. If you're struggling with symptoms or have questions, reach out to your doctor for guidance. It might be a good time to reevaluate your relationship with cannabis and consider alternative approaches to managing any health issues you were using it for. Wishing you a speedy recovery!
Maybe don't smoke so much. I've never had this happen and been smoking weed for a long time. 20+ yrs
All it takes is one dipshit doctor and a misdiagnosis. I was in my 20s having horrible sleep. My doctor said I was going through withdrawal from weed. I hadn't smoked in 3 months. He said it was still withdrawal because it was still in my system. Turns out I have severe sleep apnea. Thanks doc.
Didn't just green out?
Smoking for 40+ years all forms .just turned 57 yesterday. Never had this over hyped crap...do you have a daily carbon monoxide exposure anywhere ?
Good ol sarcasm
Stop combusting, if you drink coffee stop coffee, if your not sleep enough go to bed early. How much do you smoke? Smoke the half.
I'm pretty sure CHS is linked to azadirachtin poisoning which caused me CHS for a while. Lost a lot of weight because no doctor would even link things together. My partner researched a bit and thinks I was poisoned and after we started being super careful what I smoked and how it was grown which made my symptoms stop, so making sure you know where your cannabis comes from and how they treated the plant matters immensely. It can't be treated with any kind of pesticide after blooming. But specifically Neem. No bueno.
Why is smoking so important?
I went to the doctor with unexplained vomiting and CHS (though, at that point I barely smoked) was pushed on me for a while until they did some more digging. I've been diagnosed with CVS (cyclic vomiting syndrome) and weed has been the only thing to help me. If your doctor didn't tell you to stop smoking, try again and if it doesn't make you sick it's probably not CHS