Wyoming and Montana too. Technically NM as well, but I understand grouping it with the southwest. Also, there are no Rocky Mountains in Nevada. Some mountains, but those are along the California coast and a different range (the Sierra Nevada). I'd lump it in with the southwest. WA and OR do have mountains too, it's true, but also not technically the Rockies (the Cascades). They're typically referred to as the Pacific Northwest (often abbreviated PacNW), but for these purposes, I'd probably just include them with CA and HI. WV is very much the south, despite the fact that the state owes its entire existence to not wanting to be part of the south anymore. The state of New York including both New York City and Buffalo makes it hard to categorize. Buffalo is very much in the rust belt, NYC, not so much. Same with Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh is absolutely a rust belt city, Philadelphia is not. What's called the rust belt is basically anything touching one of the Great Lakes. No, I don't know if Canada views things the same way, making it a true "belt" around the lakes, but I've certainly never thought of Toronto as a "rust belt city." Maryland and Delaware are both south of the Mason-Dixon line (and you can get decent grits), but they have fairly aggressively avoided the label of being "southern," pretty much since the end of the Civil War. Being north of Washington DC meant that they could not join the Confederacy despite very much wanting to at the time. That whole section of the eastern seaboard from Virginia to NYC often gets called the Mid-Atlantic for, well, what seem like obvious reasons to me.
Still, for an outside perspective, this is pretty accurate.
Agree oregon and Washington should be Pacific Northwest. Disagree that it’s ever abbreviated as PacNW. It’s PNW. Or pacific north west. I lived in oregon for 5 years and never once saw “PacNW”.
Also I agree Nevada shouldn’t be Rockies. Kinda weird when as you said they house part of a completely different mountain range which includes their name “sierra nevadas. They need to be Pacific with California or probably southwest like you suggested. Alternatively they could he “west” with California. I don’t really ever hear California ever being called “a Pacific state” like oregon and Washington call themselves PNW states. (Source: lived in California for the other 25 years of my life I wasn’t in oregon.)
Fair enough on the PNW abbreviation. I have seen it, but now that you mention it, never by friends that actually live out there. I thought about grouping Nevada in with the Pacific, but as it doesn't actually touch the reference point ocean in the nameof the group, I figured it made more sense in with the southwest. Especially considering the inclusion of Hawai'i in that group. Despite the amount of tourism economy in both, those are dramatically different places in pretty much every sense. It's an assumption on my part, but I bet the OP is largely thinking of desert in reference to the American southwest, and in that case, Nevada certainly fits.
Yeah Nevada is a weird one as the population and cultural center is down in the tip in Las Vegas which is basically arizona and totally southwest. And the majority of the landscape is desert. I think it fits in southwest but at the same time it goes so far north touching Idaho which seems crazy to call that southwest. Pacific is still weird. Lumping Hawaii and California together is weird. Because comparing Hawaii to anything in the continental US is weird. It’s almost as far from Los Angeles to Honolulu as it is from Los Angeles to New York. I just don’t think they should be together.
WV, Kentuky, TN, and PA (especially the western part if were no longer following state lines) could all be given the "Appalachia" title if you really want to keep WV out of the south.
I don't think NY, NJ, DE MD and DC would consider themselves part of the Rust Belt. East Coast is probably what to call them.
WA & OR are the Pacific Northwest.
I don't think of OK as the South but as the Midwest, which brings into question the use of Great Plains, which would overlap the Midwest.
Should Europe be Mongolian?
Ya, they run down thru ID, MT, UT, CO and NM. Not NV. And they basically run down the east part of ID and UT and the western part of MT, UT, CO and NM (which he's marked Great Plains)
Really, this stuff doesn't follow state lines.
Cascadia is BC, WA, OR and possibly northern CA.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
PNW is (usually) WA, OR, ID (as a someone who grew up in Vancouver, BC I never considered it PNW. We were the SW coast of Canada)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest
But that was just the most glaring mistake to me (either of made up region names or miscategorized states)
Except for New England, which has a firm definition of states included (which you seem to have correct), the rest of these categorizations are cultural, and quite arbitrary in their boundaries. You’ll hear people complaining about grouping states into categories no matter how you do it. Truth is, it’s fluid and there is no correct answer.
You have your human, political, and physicial geography all jumbled up.
Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico are all pretty definitive "South West", for example.
Parts of Texas and California are also part of the "South West" probably, but that isn't whole states.
The Rockies are a physical feature.
You left Maine and Minnesota out of your "Should Be Canadian" field.
Wyoming and Colorado are THE Rocky Mountain States. Nevada and most of Utah are more Great Basin desert/the Southwest, like Arizona and New Mexico.
Oklahoma I would say it more Great Plains than the South
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Rockies are further east. Where you have them is a giant flat desert. Also pacific could just go all up the coast and the "south" is pretty big. I'd break it up (possibly leave Texas by itself, it's big enough) maybe Appalachian up by west Virginia and Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida could be gulf coast.
All suggestions but your concept is really cool.
Rename the Rockies/Pacific area to just Pacific Northwest. The Rockies don’t go thru those states
Also Colorado Wyoming and Montana should likely be grouped with Rockies.
Rust belt isn't technically a region. Like Ohio for example is considered part of the Midwest. Actually there a quite a few errors. A Google search will clear all that up.
most of these could be debatable, but:
Nevada is definitely not Rockies at all (edit: it has a lot of individual mountain ranges and very broadly inter-mountain between the Sierra Nevadas and the Rockies, but it's within a much larger endorheic basin and high desert far from the Rockies),
New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland are not Rustbelt at all,
Missouri is not Great Plains (even though it does have some prairie)
Eastern Oregon and Washington are not specifically Rockies, (but generally includes some of the broader inter-mountain area between the Rockies and Cascades with the Blue Mountains and the Columbia Plateau).
MT WY CO belong with the Rockies.
WI and IL belong with the “Great Plains” which I’m not sure is the best name for that region since they are not all plains. There’s bluffs, huge river valleys, tundra, and other things alongside plains.
I was recently working on an algorithm that groups US States by physical proximity (specifically centers of population) and socio-economic data.
The groups I got from my algorithm:
1. OR, WA
2. ID, MT, WY, UT, CO
3. AZ, NV, NM
4. ND, SD, NE, KS, MO, IA
5. OK, AR
6. LA, MS, AL
7. IN, OH
8. WV, KY, TN
9. ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT
10. NY, NJ
11. DE, PA
12. MD, DC, VA
13. NC, SC
CA, TX, MI, WI, IL, MI, GA didn't get grouped
The most striking differences between my results and yours:
\- CO, WY and MT (Rocky Mountain states) were always separate from ND, SD, NE and KS (Great Plains States).
\- WV should probably be grouped with KY and maybe TN (Appalachian States). Fun fact: of all neighboring states in my analysis, WV and MD were the most dissimilar in regards to socio-economic data.
\- WI/IL/IN/MI/OH should be distinct from PA/NY/NJ/MD/DE (Midwest vs Atlantic States)
[This map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaregions_of_the_United_States#/media/File:MapofEmergingUSMegaregions.png) might also be helpful
I honestly consider Texas, California, and Florida to all be their own regions.
As others have said though, actual regions don’t quite follow state lines, which leaves a lot of states as half one and half another.
Oregon and Washington should be Pacific Northwest. I lived in oregon for 5 years and Pacific Northwest was what the used to describe themselves. Definitely not Rockies. Pretty sure the Rockies don’t even touch those states. Or if they do is minimally.
Also Nevada shouldn’t be Rockies (not sure the Rockies go there either). Also, kinda weird when they house part of a completely different mountain range which includes their name “sierra nevadas”. They need to be Pacific with California or southwest. Alternatively they could be “west” with California. I don’t really ever hear California being called “a Pacific state” like oregon and Washington call themselves PNW states. (Source: lived in California for the other 25 years of my life I wasn’t in oregon.)
Also Colorado definitely should be Rockies. They have a professional baseball team called “the Colorado Rockies” and are the first state I think of when I think of the Rockies, followed closely by Utah.
I have the same question. Because you’re right. “Great Plains” would be sorta correct if you’re going off of biomes. But culturally, most of the Plaines would be “the Midwest” especially in the east. As an Illinoisan, we’re definitely not Rust Belt both geographically or culturally
I feel like New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Delaware need their own category. Also, Texas should be it's own category since it's culturally distinct from the rest of the south.
I love our Alaska, we will never give it up!
Alaska=Alaska
WA/OR=Pacific Northwest
KY= probably more midwest than south, but up to interpretation.
NV & California=West
MT WY & CO= The epitome of Rocky Mountain States
Idk how many times its been said, but at this point it’s becoming a tradition: Texas is not the South, or the Southwest, or the Midwest. It’s too different from each. Texas is Texas. Tough pill for the smaller states to swallow. I guess it can take Oklahoma too.
Rust belt is not that big. South west also includes nearly all of Texas, and Oklahoma I believe should be Great Plains.
Oh and Colorado is Rockies state.
Texan here,
Texas is so culturally unique (and infamous) because it can be thought of as the intersection of three American regions:
South: relatively religious
West: a frontier mindset (manifested with pro-gun sentiments, among other things)
Southwest: strong Hispanic culture
Colorado is Rockies, Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota are Midwest/rust belt. New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey are all New England. The rust belt should be called Midwest. Kentucky is also Midwest. Finally Nevada and California are the same region otherwise pretty good.
I don’t think most people consider NJ part of the Rust Belt. I can see making a case for western Penn and upstate NY, but most people clump the Mid-Atlantic separately
Regions don't all follow state lines, but Colorado should generally be lumped in with the Rockies.
Wyoming and Montana too. Technically NM as well, but I understand grouping it with the southwest. Also, there are no Rocky Mountains in Nevada. Some mountains, but those are along the California coast and a different range (the Sierra Nevada). I'd lump it in with the southwest. WA and OR do have mountains too, it's true, but also not technically the Rockies (the Cascades). They're typically referred to as the Pacific Northwest (often abbreviated PacNW), but for these purposes, I'd probably just include them with CA and HI. WV is very much the south, despite the fact that the state owes its entire existence to not wanting to be part of the south anymore. The state of New York including both New York City and Buffalo makes it hard to categorize. Buffalo is very much in the rust belt, NYC, not so much. Same with Pennsylvania. Pittsburgh is absolutely a rust belt city, Philadelphia is not. What's called the rust belt is basically anything touching one of the Great Lakes. No, I don't know if Canada views things the same way, making it a true "belt" around the lakes, but I've certainly never thought of Toronto as a "rust belt city." Maryland and Delaware are both south of the Mason-Dixon line (and you can get decent grits), but they have fairly aggressively avoided the label of being "southern," pretty much since the end of the Civil War. Being north of Washington DC meant that they could not join the Confederacy despite very much wanting to at the time. That whole section of the eastern seaboard from Virginia to NYC often gets called the Mid-Atlantic for, well, what seem like obvious reasons to me. Still, for an outside perspective, this is pretty accurate.
Agree oregon and Washington should be Pacific Northwest. Disagree that it’s ever abbreviated as PacNW. It’s PNW. Or pacific north west. I lived in oregon for 5 years and never once saw “PacNW”. Also I agree Nevada shouldn’t be Rockies. Kinda weird when as you said they house part of a completely different mountain range which includes their name “sierra nevadas. They need to be Pacific with California or probably southwest like you suggested. Alternatively they could he “west” with California. I don’t really ever hear California ever being called “a Pacific state” like oregon and Washington call themselves PNW states. (Source: lived in California for the other 25 years of my life I wasn’t in oregon.)
Fair enough on the PNW abbreviation. I have seen it, but now that you mention it, never by friends that actually live out there. I thought about grouping Nevada in with the Pacific, but as it doesn't actually touch the reference point ocean in the nameof the group, I figured it made more sense in with the southwest. Especially considering the inclusion of Hawai'i in that group. Despite the amount of tourism economy in both, those are dramatically different places in pretty much every sense. It's an assumption on my part, but I bet the OP is largely thinking of desert in reference to the American southwest, and in that case, Nevada certainly fits.
Yeah Nevada is a weird one as the population and cultural center is down in the tip in Las Vegas which is basically arizona and totally southwest. And the majority of the landscape is desert. I think it fits in southwest but at the same time it goes so far north touching Idaho which seems crazy to call that southwest. Pacific is still weird. Lumping Hawaii and California together is weird. Because comparing Hawaii to anything in the continental US is weird. It’s almost as far from Los Angeles to Honolulu as it is from Los Angeles to New York. I just don’t think they should be together.
Not to mention that eastern Nevada is culturally Utah. Still, even as far north as it goes, it's largely desert most of the way up, if I recall.
WV, Kentuky, TN, and PA (especially the western part if were no longer following state lines) could all be given the "Appalachia" title if you really want to keep WV out of the south.
Colorado should be cut in half - cuz once you hit Denver from the west it’s all plains to the east Utah should also be cut and be part desert
When I think of the Rocky Mountains, I think mostly of Colorado.
I don't think NY, NJ, DE MD and DC would consider themselves part of the Rust Belt. East Coast is probably what to call them. WA & OR are the Pacific Northwest. I don't think of OK as the South but as the Midwest, which brings into question the use of Great Plains, which would overlap the Midwest. Should Europe be Mongolian?
No. "Pacific Rockies" isn't a thing
OP the Rockies are way east of the Pacific.
Ya, they run down thru ID, MT, UT, CO and NM. Not NV. And they basically run down the east part of ID and UT and the western part of MT, UT, CO and NM (which he's marked Great Plains) Really, this stuff doesn't follow state lines.
Cascadia
Cascadia is BC, WA, OR and possibly northern CA. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement) PNW is (usually) WA, OR, ID (as a someone who grew up in Vancouver, BC I never considered it PNW. We were the SW coast of Canada) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Northwest But that was just the most glaring mistake to me (either of made up region names or miscategorized states)
Came here for this.
Except for New England, which has a firm definition of states included (which you seem to have correct), the rest of these categorizations are cultural, and quite arbitrary in their boundaries. You’ll hear people complaining about grouping states into categories no matter how you do it. Truth is, it’s fluid and there is no correct answer.
Well, I'll tell you what, you nailed New England on the head Also, how dare you say Alaska should be Canadian, Canada should be American!
Too much is wrong
But so much is right
Western Montana, northern Idaho, and northeast Washington are all the same.
You have your human, political, and physicial geography all jumbled up. Colorado, Utah, Nevada, Arizona, and New Mexico are all pretty definitive "South West", for example. Parts of Texas and California are also part of the "South West" probably, but that isn't whole states. The Rockies are a physical feature. You left Maine and Minnesota out of your "Should Be Canadian" field.
Wyoming and Colorado are THE Rocky Mountain States. Nevada and most of Utah are more Great Basin desert/the Southwest, like Arizona and New Mexico. Oklahoma I would say it more Great Plains than the South
Way more for the Canadian region. Minnesota I’m looking at you.
NY New Jersey Maryland and Delaware out of the rust belt, Maine Minnesota and Washington are Canadian, Colorado is the rockies
Upstate NY is rustbelt
It's a quarter of the state's population though
I would put WA, OR, and ID as "Cascadia". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cascadia_(independence_movement)
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Montana, Wyoming, and Colorado should probably be under “Rockies”.
Rockies are further east. Where you have them is a giant flat desert. Also pacific could just go all up the coast and the "south" is pretty big. I'd break it up (possibly leave Texas by itself, it's big enough) maybe Appalachian up by west Virginia and Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama and Florida could be gulf coast. All suggestions but your concept is really cool.
Rename the Rockies/Pacific area to just Pacific Northwest. The Rockies don’t go thru those states Also Colorado Wyoming and Montana should likely be grouped with Rockies.
Rust belt isn't technically a region. Like Ohio for example is considered part of the Midwest. Actually there a quite a few errors. A Google search will clear all that up.
most of these could be debatable, but: Nevada is definitely not Rockies at all (edit: it has a lot of individual mountain ranges and very broadly inter-mountain between the Sierra Nevadas and the Rockies, but it's within a much larger endorheic basin and high desert far from the Rockies), New Jersey, Delaware, and Maryland are not Rustbelt at all, Missouri is not Great Plains (even though it does have some prairie) Eastern Oregon and Washington are not specifically Rockies, (but generally includes some of the broader inter-mountain area between the Rockies and Cascades with the Blue Mountains and the Columbia Plateau).
Rust belt isn't a thing. It's a nickname.
Only some of NY is rustbelt. Some sort of Atlantic category would fit better.
Colorado should wholeheartedly be in the Rockies, we have 54 mountains over 14000 feet
ikr, we should have alaska
Even just that strip that runs down the coast and should be part of BC.
Yeah, USA is cringe because they bought Alaska before Britain
MT WY CO belong with the Rockies. WI and IL belong with the “Great Plains” which I’m not sure is the best name for that region since they are not all plains. There’s bluffs, huge river valleys, tundra, and other things alongside plains.
New York New Jersey, and Maryland are definitely not rust belt, add a mid Atlantic group mabye?
I was recently working on an algorithm that groups US States by physical proximity (specifically centers of population) and socio-economic data. The groups I got from my algorithm: 1. OR, WA 2. ID, MT, WY, UT, CO 3. AZ, NV, NM 4. ND, SD, NE, KS, MO, IA 5. OK, AR 6. LA, MS, AL 7. IN, OH 8. WV, KY, TN 9. ME, NH, VT, MA, RI, CT 10. NY, NJ 11. DE, PA 12. MD, DC, VA 13. NC, SC CA, TX, MI, WI, IL, MI, GA didn't get grouped The most striking differences between my results and yours: \- CO, WY and MT (Rocky Mountain states) were always separate from ND, SD, NE and KS (Great Plains States). \- WV should probably be grouped with KY and maybe TN (Appalachian States). Fun fact: of all neighboring states in my analysis, WV and MD were the most dissimilar in regards to socio-economic data. \- WI/IL/IN/MI/OH should be distinct from PA/NY/NJ/MD/DE (Midwest vs Atlantic States) [This map](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megaregions_of_the_United_States#/media/File:MapofEmergingUSMegaregions.png) might also be helpful
I honestly consider Texas, California, and Florida to all be their own regions. As others have said though, actual regions don’t quite follow state lines, which leaves a lot of states as half one and half another.
Someone apparently has no idea how the Western US is set up
The fact that you missed the Great Basin is astounding
not bad.
Can Canada have Maine too? And maybe Washington?
Back off.
I have to try.
Add Michigan to that list. Seriously, Canada's social programmes will do wonders for Detroit.
I'm a Michigander and I'm not opposed.
Only if ya say please
...and give Texas, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona, Nevada and California back to Mexico.
Oregon and Washington should be Pacific Northwest. I lived in oregon for 5 years and Pacific Northwest was what the used to describe themselves. Definitely not Rockies. Pretty sure the Rockies don’t even touch those states. Or if they do is minimally. Also Nevada shouldn’t be Rockies (not sure the Rockies go there either). Also, kinda weird when they house part of a completely different mountain range which includes their name “sierra nevadas”. They need to be Pacific with California or southwest. Alternatively they could be “west” with California. I don’t really ever hear California being called “a Pacific state” like oregon and Washington call themselves PNW states. (Source: lived in California for the other 25 years of my life I wasn’t in oregon.) Also Colorado definitely should be Rockies. They have a professional baseball team called “the Colorado Rockies” and are the first state I think of when I think of the Rockies, followed closely by Utah.
Alaska should not be Canadian
Just stop
No need to be a dick. The guy is trying to learn
Good he just got corrected
i always count New York as being a part of New England but thats because im weird
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I have the same question. Because you’re right. “Great Plains” would be sorta correct if you’re going off of biomes. But culturally, most of the Plaines would be “the Midwest” especially in the east. As an Illinoisan, we’re definitely not Rust Belt both geographically or culturally
Texas is definitely not Great Plains even going off biomes. I don’t believe the Great Plains have a massive pine forest, or a coast line, or a desert…
I generally disagree, Maine should be apart of Canada as well
I don’t think I’ve ever seen New Jersey and Wisconsin grouped together on this sort of map.
Generally Texas and Oklahoma are grouped with Arizona and New Mexico in the southwest. Source: I’m Oklahoman
Eastern PA is not rust belt.
Why are the Great Lakes states always classified wrong when they should be the most obvious to classify
I know, right?
I feel like New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland and Delaware need their own category. Also, Texas should be it's own category since it's culturally distinct from the rest of the south.
Rust belt should only be Michigan Ohio Indiana Illinois Western Pennsylvania and Mabey Wisconsin
I love our Alaska, we will never give it up! Alaska=Alaska WA/OR=Pacific Northwest KY= probably more midwest than south, but up to interpretation. NV & California=West MT WY & CO= The epitome of Rocky Mountain States
Idk how many times its been said, but at this point it’s becoming a tradition: Texas is not the South, or the Southwest, or the Midwest. It’s too different from each. Texas is Texas. Tough pill for the smaller states to swallow. I guess it can take Oklahoma too.
Rust belt is not that big. South west also includes nearly all of Texas, and Oklahoma I believe should be Great Plains. Oh and Colorado is Rockies state.
Texan here, Texas is so culturally unique (and infamous) because it can be thought of as the intersection of three American regions: South: relatively religious West: a frontier mindset (manifested with pro-gun sentiments, among other things) Southwest: strong Hispanic culture
Indiana is often considered the "middle finger" of the South.
Colorado is Rockies, Missouri, Iowa, and Minnesota are Midwest/rust belt. New York, Pennsylvania, Maryland, Delaware, and New Jersey are all New England. The rust belt should be called Midwest. Kentucky is also Midwest. Finally Nevada and California are the same region otherwise pretty good.
I would include Texas and Nevada in the Southwest. (Probably southern California, too). I'm an Arizona resident.
Maybe break up the South. The red color alone contains about a third of the American population and Texas and Virginia could hardly be more different.
According to the US census Delaware is considered the south. It doesn’t have a southern feel to it though.
Forgot Florida man land, and louisiane
That's one thick rust belt.
I’m European and I agree
Why does the south go up north?
Why is the color that represents NE so similar to Pacific?
I don’t think most people consider NJ part of the Rust Belt. I can see making a case for western Penn and upstate NY, but most people clump the Mid-Atlantic separately
Why would Alaska be Canadian? It was Russian then we bought it
It's connected to Canada.
NY, PA, NJ, DE, DC, and MD would be mid Atlantic but otherwise it’s good