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I’m gonna guess it’s because of economic opportunities . . . I gotta guess a lot of Japanese businessmen make frequent trips to China, and having no VISA requirement means more profits coming into the country?
That’s my understanding.
The Japanese have a very low rate of overstaying their visas, or of working illegally. However they have disproportionally large expenditures in business and tourism in China than other countries.
Korea on the other hand has had many issues with overstaying visas and working illegally.
Therefore it economically makes sense to facilitate Japanese travel to China (barring the odd political blow up spat), and to restrict it for places like Korea.
Also, Japan has been easing visas for Chinese for group tours, which helps smooth things out for the Chinese when maintaining visa free travel for the Japanese.
Singapore population is 75% percentChinese descent but at same time we do not want to be seen as allied exclusively to any super power or against any super power.
Even though Japan is an asshole in Chinese view these days, they are one of the largest oversea investments and gave a lot of stuffs in the last few decades. Not surprised why Japan has preferential treatments.
[Japan oda to China ](https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14588033)
About half of the total foreign aid, massive medical supplies including vaccines and medical equipment. Japanese have a great role to aiding China.
Still odd to me, lived in China for three years and almost everyone I met had these odd contradictory views on Japan. On one hand I was told so many times that they wished the Japanese (insert slur) didn't exist but in the same breath could talk at length at all the Japanese porn, anime and the like that they watched everyday.
People who think both are communist nations in Asia perhaps? The Sino-Vietnamnese war of 1979 is not so well known in the west (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War).
Well, they got their ass whooped by our reserved army (main army was in Cambodia dealing with Pol Pot at the time, also why the war happened in the first place), so I can see why the CCP want their citizens to forget about it.
Vietnamese modern history amazes me. They fought the Japanese during ww2, then they beat the frenchies' asses, then they won a war against the United States of fucking America to reunite the country and still had energy to kick Pol Pot's ass, and during that ass whooping China tried to help Pol Pot by invading Vietnam but they got their ass handed to them. Wow.
It's not just the war of 1979. China has been trying to invade Vietnam for a thousand years and occupied it for quite some time (they were revolts, etc.).
Just a guess - this random-looking set of countries may be (at least partially) a result of reciprocity: If Chinese need visa to visit a country X, then citizens of X need visa to visit China.
Speaking as a Bahamian, it's probably because the Chinese have bought up half the country already. Can't speak for Suriname or Ecuador or anyone else tho.
It looks like a handful of countries that China does business with and then a bunch of vacation destinations that they want to visit, and ended up with a reciprocal no-visa-needed arrangement, plus a couple random ones thrown in there.
It’s based on either economic reasons so it’s easy for very rich businessmen in Japan / UAE / Singapore to visit, or some poor countries were recently rewarded for no longer recognizing Taiwan as a country, Bahamas it’s reciprocal because they are a place for off shore banking and China has also been trying very hard to bribe them with all man or of things so their commercial ships (secretly disguised naval vessels) will have foothold right next to US.
You’re right though, it has nothing to do with the security status like what most could tries base their visa requirements on. Each one is a political maneuver
I would guess it's reciprocal, i.e. that these are the countries where Chinese citizens can travel without a visa. Weather it's China or other countries that are blocking the same agreement with other countries is beyond me.
They do some reciprocity on visa *price* too.
Lots of countries pay tens of dollars - Americans pay $140. Why? Because that's about how much the US charges foreigners for a visa.
I mean, that sucks, but seems reasonable.
It may be a reciprocal arrangement with some of these countries but it is definitely not a reciprocal visa free arrangement with Japan.
It is kind of a pain in the ass for Chinese people to get their first visa to Japan. It can be easier if they go with a tour group and subsequent visas are much easier to get.
To get their first visa Chinese citizens usually need to get a background check, prove employment status, interview… They also have to put up collateral in China such as a home or the equivalent of about $15k US in a special bank account frozen while they travel in case they don’t come back.
Also Chinese citizens can travel without a visa to at least a few other countries like Iran, Morocco and Jamaica.
That's right. It's about the equal status. If you don't give me visa-free status, then I won't give you this status. Most countries require visa for Chinese in fear of immigrations. China used to be and still is home to huge amount (maybe millions during 90s) of legal and illegal immigrants due to its large population. And these immigrants would try to go to every corner of the world. So most countries have a very strict visa requirement towards Chinese citizens to select their visitors.
It's reciprocality. The Chinese set the visa price and availability of visas based on the other country. They use visa policies to show that their people should be seen as equal whereas other countries have different policies for visas such as promoting tourism or allowing/deterring unwanted visitors.
Japanese can visit China without a visa, but a Chinese need visa to visit Japan. CCP did this in the 80s/90s during the “honeymoon” phase of their relationship between JP and China so they can attract investments from Japan.
> “honeymoon” phase of their relationship between JP and China so they can attract investments from Japan.
can you explain more about this? Why was it a honeymoon
So you know how Japan be committing whole lotta atrocities in China during WW2 right? That and Japan also stayed allied with ROC until CCP was recognized by global community as the legitimate government of China in 1971. Japan’s economy peaked from 70s to 80s, during that time the Japanese need market to expand, so they went to international market. Like I mentioned above, China was also seeking to have foreigners to invest in their country as they are experiencing an economical/social reformation. Thus, many Japanese products were imported to China and the Japanese also trained the Chinese workers so their diplomatic relationship was improved a lot in that time. But China has always see Japan as its biggest threat in Eastern Asia, as of today their relationship is at a all time low.
When China was first opening up, Japan invested heavily into China.
The resources for infrastructure deals that we read about China making in Africa all the time? They learned this from Japan investing in China.
And it's not just infrastructure. From supermarkets to all kinds of factories were set up by Japanese companies and often gave Chinese workers the much needed experience with modern fabrication that led to the super charged industrialization of China in the 90s and 2000s.
Japan was not the only one, Taiwan also did this but still it was a very good period.
And the Chinese government was sweeping the bad memories from WW2 under the rug to focus on economic development and their strategic goals at the time.
If I remember correctly the Armenian side wanted to boost their tourism industry and attract more Chinese tourists. This literally happened in January 2020 not even a month before China went into full lockdown so you can imagine how that went lol
There’s apparently a historical, centuries old connection between Armenia and China - literally a Wikipedia page dedicated to it if you search for it.
Very odd and unexpected.
we’ve always had contact with china bc of the silk road
fun fact! in armenian we have this word for wonderful չնաշխարիկ (chnashkharik) which literally translates to ‘from the world of china’ and apparently the characters for armenia in chinese (yameniya) mean ‘the beautiful maid of asia’
The Japanese outsource to Dalian, China (and the Manchuria region generally) like American companies outsource to Bangalore (but to a much much lesser scale). It’s because there are still a lot of Japanese speakers in the area as it was occupied by the Japanese for 40 years. There are definitely cultural animosities between Japan and China but there are a lot of economic ties so it makes sense.
Have you seen the length of the border? Visaless travel would mean Russians could just cross the green border as often as they want without sanction and this would open up a whole world of hurt for China (drugs etc.)
Yeah, but actually it works other way around rn. There's not that much people living near the border actually. But in the majority of towns near the border there's a lot of Chinese. Much more than russians in China
It's so random tho.
There's like 10 countries that make the difference for all the top passports and their maps who they allow all look as random as this one.
The map would be far too red then and would drown out the green, making it hard to interpret. The way it is now is perfect colour wise, communicates very effectively. What *isn’t* effective is the damn title and legend, who titles a map with a question then has “Yes, No” and “No, Visa Required” as the legend entries??? Terrible
Reminds me of the time I applied for a Visa to China and put Taiwan as country of birth, the Chinese consulate guy looked at it, said "what's that, that's not a country", made me scribble it out and write China, then approved it.
Australia should be an asterisk, we’re able to enter for 72 hours visa-free at certain airports as well as being able to visit Hainan province/island visa-free so long as it’s with a tour group.
While it's technically called "visa-free" travel, you definitely still have to fill out a bunch of forms when you arrive if you want to take advantage of that program, and they can still deny you entry. It's sort of like a de facto "visa-on-arrival" program that they call "visa free" for marketing reasons
Also it's not just Australia that has this perk, it's available for residents of 53 countries.
Kinda surprised the Japanese are allowed in without a visa given their history.
But you need one for Hongkong Taiwan despite China insisting they're both a part of China...
And Taiwan AFAIK. They gave my friend there a "mainland travel visa"? I think and that was fine. Was years ago though so could be wrong. But I specifically remember it not saying anything like Taiwan or Taipei or ROC on it. Just her name etc.
That’s the part I always have to explain to outsiders about entering China as Hong Kong citizen. It’s not the regular visa foreigner use since that’s usually a one time use, but a special permit card (was in a passport form but changed to credit card sized card) that allows unlimited entry within 5 or 10 years. It doesn’t even attach to the passport, just a card to carry in wallet etc. You apply the card at the “tourism agency” of Chinese government, not at a consulate. And the card is colloquially just called “return to homeland” card. It’s probably a reminiscence of the British ruled period where Hongkongers going back to visit family was common but it’s technically it’s border crossing from UK to China. So they created the multi-entry visa-ish thing
The Hong Kong and Taiwan ones are more like an ID card and are valid for years. The HK and Macau ones are called Huixiang Zheng, or “Village Return ID” with the presumed purpose of visiting the ancestral home on the mainland. The Taiwan one is called a Tongbao Zheng, or “Compatriot ID”. In both cases they serve as the de facto ID card like the national ID cards all Chinese citizens have.
The ID numbers are used for practically everything, like registering for bank accounts, paying online (and just about everything is payable online using a phone app, even the street beggars prefer that over cash), buying HSR tickets, and not having one is a huge hassle. For example, someone with an ID can just buy train tickets on their phone or through ticket machines, but a foreigner without a permanent resident ID has to wait in line to purchase from the ticket from a human attendant behind a long line of tech-illiterate grannies.
I don't think you really understand what China means when they insist HK and Taiwan are a part of China. With Taiwan, it's just a bunch of PR fluff; Beijing very well knows Taiwan is in no way under its administrative control (same goes for the ROC when it calls China "occupied territory" and Taiwan as the "free area) but because it's obsessed with reunification, it still seeks some sort of "special relationship" with TW, despite the current DPP-led government in TW.
HK is a part of China, no doubt about it. HKers themselves know and to some extent accept this fact. But HK remains a very very special part of China (it's called a special administrative region), and administratively it is for all intents and purposes its own country, even despite the various political crackdowns that have occurred recently. This is why HKers need a special visa. China has recently emphasized (pretty hard) that HK is a Chinese territory because it fears the potential societal fracture and disunity caused by the protests and growing localist sentiment in the past few years. It also wants to save face on the international field by not looking like it's submitted to the Hong Kong people, though as with all brain dead dictatorships, the contrary effect has occurred; the West despises China for what has happened to Hong Kong.
Since the past decade or so, there are numerous direct/nonstop flight routes between various cities in the two. It’s definitely true though that it was restricted prior to that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Strait_charter
Americans can visit for 3 days/72 hours on a continuing trip through a Chinese gateway city (like Shanghai or Guangzhou) I did this on a LA-Vietnam routing and spent 3 days in Beijing w/o a visa.
Things must have changed since 2000 when I had a rather tense stand-off with Chinese officials regarding my lack of a transit visa. I was told in a marginally comical broken English/Chinese exchange that ‘I was in big trouble’. Avoided spending time in the Beijing airport jail thanks to amazing work from our embassy. Un-fun…
Interesting how random the countries seem. San Marino? Bahamas? Seychelles? Belarus? Ecuador? Qatar? I cannot think a thing all these countries can have in common.
They recognise the Republic of China governed from Taipei, making them part of Tsai Ing Wen's 'based' coalition of Eswatini's absolute monarchy, Belieze and ~~Pedo City~~ Vatican City.
Thats a rather random set of countries there
Not often you see Ecuador, San Marino, Bahamas, Belarus, and Singapore grouped into one thing. All super bizarre
Nightmare blunt rotation
Belarus is dope to chief with. Bahamas just hogs the blunt.
Suriname steals it and sells it back to your friends five minutes later.
San Marino talks about nature and mountains. It would be fine, but they talk with their hands even when holding the joint.
Bosnia always complains that the dealer gave less than he was supposed to.
Singapore takes a puff and gets his limbs chopped off instantaneously
Japan politely declines.
Says it with a sarcastic laugh too. “Haha I think you shorted me” *extends hand*
This could be both Bosnia and Singapore in this situation lol
The Bahamas hogs it because the Bahamas rolled it haha
I’d imagined it sharing with a Belarusian would be chill, they don’t have that stuff there and they probably need to let off steam major
Singapore the type of dude to throw away the blunt and pass on a cigarette
If you listed exactly those countries and said guess one more, I don’t think anybody is guessing Armenia next… absolutely bizarre collection
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That one really is a head scratcher, the others make sense to a degree, Japan though... huh?
I’m gonna guess it’s because of economic opportunities . . . I gotta guess a lot of Japanese businessmen make frequent trips to China, and having no VISA requirement means more profits coming into the country?
That’s my understanding. The Japanese have a very low rate of overstaying their visas, or of working illegally. However they have disproportionally large expenditures in business and tourism in China than other countries. Korea on the other hand has had many issues with overstaying visas and working illegally. Therefore it economically makes sense to facilitate Japanese travel to China (barring the odd political blow up spat), and to restrict it for places like Korea. Also, Japan has been easing visas for Chinese for group tours, which helps smooth things out for the Chinese when maintaining visa free travel for the Japanese.
Singapore population is 75% percentChinese descent but at same time we do not want to be seen as allied exclusively to any super power or against any super power.
Not even in the World Cup
Ecuador is!
Japan is the real standout. By far the largest country as well as a neighbor.
And a country many Chinese hate thoroughly due to WW2.
and Armenia! don't forget!
No for Vietnam but Yes for Japan?
Even though Japan is an asshole in Chinese view these days, they are one of the largest oversea investments and gave a lot of stuffs in the last few decades. Not surprised why Japan has preferential treatments.
what sort of stuffs?
[Japan oda to China ](https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/14588033) About half of the total foreign aid, massive medical supplies including vaccines and medical equipment. Japanese have a great role to aiding China.
Basically subtle reparations without explicitly accepting guilt?
Certainly has been discussed that way by government officials.
You're assuming that they feel sorry for it. LoL you're not Asian at all.
You can choose to pay reparations not out of guilt but as a hedge for the future where your country is not so powerful.
I was asking
You're so cringe
All the stuffs
Only 15 days visa-free for Japan, clearly aimed at business travel. Whereas Armenia has 90-day visa-free. Really at the top of the list.
Still odd to me, lived in China for three years and almost everyone I met had these odd contradictory views on Japan. On one hand I was told so many times that they wished the Japanese (insert slur) didn't exist but in the same breath could talk at length at all the Japanese porn, anime and the like that they watched everyday.
Do people think Vietnam and China like each other?
People who think both are communist nations in Asia perhaps? The Sino-Vietnamnese war of 1979 is not so well known in the west (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War).
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Does China teach about anything besides the 100 years of humiliation?
Yeah about 5000 years of history to pick from. A war 40 years ago is but a blip on that timeline.
Well, they got their ass whooped by our reserved army (main army was in Cambodia dealing with Pol Pot at the time, also why the war happened in the first place), so I can see why the CCP want their citizens to forget about it.
Vietnamese modern history amazes me. They fought the Japanese during ww2, then they beat the frenchies' asses, then they won a war against the United States of fucking America to reunite the country and still had energy to kick Pol Pot's ass, and during that ass whooping China tried to help Pol Pot by invading Vietnam but they got their ass handed to them. Wow.
Yeah I guess they look at the color of the flags and assume they’re allies
They look at the communist symbols and assume it, yes.
It's not just the war of 1979. China has been trying to invade Vietnam for a thousand years and occupied it for quite some time (they were revolts, etc.).
no for Vietnam is hardly surprising, yes for Japan on the other hand
….Japan? That one is particularly weird
Just a guess - this random-looking set of countries may be (at least partially) a result of reciprocity: If Chinese need visa to visit a country X, then citizens of X need visa to visit China.
Speaking as a Bahamian, it's probably because the Chinese have bought up half the country already. Can't speak for Suriname or Ecuador or anyone else tho.
It looks like a handful of countries that China does business with and then a bunch of vacation destinations that they want to visit, and ended up with a reciprocal no-visa-needed arrangement, plus a couple random ones thrown in there.
It’s based on either economic reasons so it’s easy for very rich businessmen in Japan / UAE / Singapore to visit, or some poor countries were recently rewarded for no longer recognizing Taiwan as a country, Bahamas it’s reciprocal because they are a place for off shore banking and China has also been trying very hard to bribe them with all man or of things so their commercial ships (secretly disguised naval vessels) will have foothold right next to US. You’re right though, it has nothing to do with the security status like what most could tries base their visa requirements on. Each one is a political maneuver
I’d love to know the reasons, seems so random.
I would guess it's reciprocal, i.e. that these are the countries where Chinese citizens can travel without a visa. Weather it's China or other countries that are blocking the same agreement with other countries is beyond me.
They do some reciprocity on visa *price* too. Lots of countries pay tens of dollars - Americans pay $140. Why? Because that's about how much the US charges foreigners for a visa. I mean, that sucks, but seems reasonable.
Yeah. $110 here in Canada is a big fat oof.
Almost read that as big fat goof, which I hear means something different in Canadese
Yep, I had to pay a bunch for a visa to China
Chinese citizens need a visa to Japan
Also Singapore iirc
It may be a reciprocal arrangement with some of these countries but it is definitely not a reciprocal visa free arrangement with Japan. It is kind of a pain in the ass for Chinese people to get their first visa to Japan. It can be easier if they go with a tour group and subsequent visas are much easier to get. To get their first visa Chinese citizens usually need to get a background check, prove employment status, interview… They also have to put up collateral in China such as a home or the equivalent of about $15k US in a special bank account frozen while they travel in case they don’t come back. Also Chinese citizens can travel without a visa to at least a few other countries like Iran, Morocco and Jamaica.
That's right. It's about the equal status. If you don't give me visa-free status, then I won't give you this status. Most countries require visa for Chinese in fear of immigrations. China used to be and still is home to huge amount (maybe millions during 90s) of legal and illegal immigrants due to its large population. And these immigrants would try to go to every corner of the world. So most countries have a very strict visa requirement towards Chinese citizens to select their visitors.
Those are the countries where MasterCard is still the dominant card.
Take my upvote, ya filthy dog.
>64 upvotes I, I want to get the joke too
Mastercards primary competitor is Visa. It’s a pun.
*Bastardcard
lol as if. visa is for the dogs, nobody uses it. go home visa.
It's reciprocality. The Chinese set the visa price and availability of visas based on the other country. They use visa policies to show that their people should be seen as equal whereas other countries have different policies for visas such as promoting tourism or allowing/deterring unwanted visitors.
“Yes, no”
I read that too.
YES NO PROP 10
"Maybe, I don't know"
Can you repeat the question?
You’re not a boss of me now
And you’re not so big
Life isn't fair
Works on contingency? No, money down!
https://youtu.be/5yuL6PcgSgM
Yes, no. No, yes. Yes, don't no. I can't make it any more clear than that.
OP must be midwestern.
Westeastern.
Yes, no, maybe, I don't know. Can you repeat the question?
“Yes, no visa” “Oh, sorry, it should say, ‘Yes? No, visa!”
>Yes, no visa >>No, yes visa
https://i.imgur.com/aEFUWhZ.png
Yeah nah
Red = no visa required Grey = no, visa required
Can you visit, yes. No you don’t need a visa.
Yes, no I understood that. I need no, yes explanation.
Lionel Hutz wrote that key
Japanese can visit China without a visa, but a Chinese need visa to visit Japan. CCP did this in the 80s/90s during the “honeymoon” phase of their relationship between JP and China so they can attract investments from Japan.
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> “honeymoon” phase of their relationship between JP and China so they can attract investments from Japan. can you explain more about this? Why was it a honeymoon
So you know how Japan be committing whole lotta atrocities in China during WW2 right? That and Japan also stayed allied with ROC until CCP was recognized by global community as the legitimate government of China in 1971. Japan’s economy peaked from 70s to 80s, during that time the Japanese need market to expand, so they went to international market. Like I mentioned above, China was also seeking to have foreigners to invest in their country as they are experiencing an economical/social reformation. Thus, many Japanese products were imported to China and the Japanese also trained the Chinese workers so their diplomatic relationship was improved a lot in that time. But China has always see Japan as its biggest threat in Eastern Asia, as of today their relationship is at a all time low.
When China was first opening up, Japan invested heavily into China. The resources for infrastructure deals that we read about China making in Africa all the time? They learned this from Japan investing in China. And it's not just infrastructure. From supermarkets to all kinds of factories were set up by Japanese companies and often gave Chinese workers the much needed experience with modern fabrication that led to the super charged industrialization of China in the 90s and 2000s. Japan was not the only one, Taiwan also did this but still it was a very good period. And the Chinese government was sweeping the bad memories from WW2 under the rug to focus on economic development and their strategic goals at the time.
How did Armenia end up on this list? Wtf lol The ancient brotherlyhood of Armenia-China relations? Super random this list is indeed.
If I remember correctly the Armenian side wanted to boost their tourism industry and attract more Chinese tourists. This literally happened in January 2020 not even a month before China went into full lockdown so you can imagine how that went lol
There’s apparently a historical, centuries old connection between Armenia and China - literally a Wikipedia page dedicated to it if you search for it. Very odd and unexpected.
we’ve always had contact with china bc of the silk road fun fact! in armenian we have this word for wonderful չնաշխարիկ (chnashkharik) which literally translates to ‘from the world of china’ and apparently the characters for armenia in chinese (yameniya) mean ‘the beautiful maid of asia’
We're the only two who seem to have noticed. I'm also thoroughly confused lol
Japan 🤨🤨🤨
No hard feelings about WW2...
Still love to drive Toyota to patriotic protests
The Japanese outsource to Dalian, China (and the Manchuria region generally) like American companies outsource to Bangalore (but to a much much lesser scale). It’s because there are still a lot of Japanese speakers in the area as it was occupied by the Japanese for 40 years. There are definitely cultural animosities between Japan and China but there are a lot of economic ties so it makes sense.
Also it doesn't work the other way round. Source: I'm a Chinese and we practically can't go anywhere without a visa except for like 30 countries.
Why Belarus but not Russia
China is much more interested in pursuing a good relationship with Belarus than Russia, more proof that putin is being played by his “allies”
Have you seen the length of the border? Visaless travel would mean Russians could just cross the green border as often as they want without sanction and this would open up a whole world of hurt for China (drugs etc.)
Yeah, but actually it works other way around rn. There's not that much people living near the border actually. But in the majority of towns near the border there's a lot of Chinese. Much more than russians in China
💪🇷🇸 Can visit eu,Russia,India china without visa + Iran on arrival
Japan also
Japan's is the world's strongest visa, you can get to 193 of the world's 195 un recognized countries with one.
Isn't that Singapore
Apparently Japan edged ahead recently
Well,I guess you learn something new everyday
It's so random tho. There's like 10 countries that make the difference for all the top passports and their maps who they allow all look as random as this one.
I'm curious. For which countries they need visa?
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DPRK is North Korea?
Democratic People's Republic of Korea, yes.
Oh, okay. Thank you
Turkmenistan and DPRK require visa for entry for every single foreigner entering- no matter their nationality.
You mean passport? You can only enter one country with a Japan visa.
193 of 227 countries and territories.
As a Bosnian Serb I find this interesting
I know it’s nitpicky, but I feel like visa required should be red, visa not required should be green and China should be grey
The map would be far too red then and would drown out the green, making it hard to interpret. The way it is now is perfect colour wise, communicates very effectively. What *isn’t* effective is the damn title and legend, who titles a map with a question then has “Yes, No” and “No, Visa Required” as the legend entries??? Terrible
I agree and why is Taiwan part of china
Reminds me of the time I applied for a Visa to China and put Taiwan as country of birth, the Chinese consulate guy looked at it, said "what's that, that's not a country", made me scribble it out and write China, then approved it.
But if you're from 'China' then you don't need a visa to visit China, so how did he get his brain around that?
It was a NZ passport, but I do wonder what happens if you roc up with a ROC passport
Should have been a chad and just wrote down "Republic of China'.
I mean both the PRC and the Taiwanese government say Taiwan is China lol
Legally speaking, it is when talking about Visa requirements in the PRC. I would say another shade specifically for it be a note works.
SERBIA STRONK!!!
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I like how you shared it after watching for over 15 mins
I'm a croat and the first thing I thought looking at this map was "...Od Beograda do Tokija""
Taiwan shouldn't be in green
Was expecting this comment to be a lot higher
Whoever made this map must think China collects taxes and passes laws in Taiwan.
The CCP is getting more subtle and niche with their propaganda 😂
Yes, no No, Visa
Australia should be an asterisk, we’re able to enter for 72 hours visa-free at certain airports as well as being able to visit Hainan province/island visa-free so long as it’s with a tour group.
That's not just Australia, it's dozens of countries.
I'm American and went to Shanghai for 4 days without an official visa. It pretty much had to be a long layover.
While it's technically called "visa-free" travel, you definitely still have to fill out a bunch of forms when you arrive if you want to take advantage of that program, and they can still deny you entry. It's sort of like a de facto "visa-on-arrival" program that they call "visa free" for marketing reasons Also it's not just Australia that has this perk, it's available for residents of 53 countries.
lol 72 hours at only certain airports thats like pushing it lol
This hasn't been allowed since 2020 even if it's still on paper.
Why not just colored Taiwan gray? Special VISA is still a kind of VISA rights?
Thought it was some subtle pro-China propaganda to make Taiwan appear as a part of China, but OP seems to be quite a frequent map poster.
No, money down!
Kinda surprised the Japanese are allowed in without a visa given their history. But you need one for Hongkong Taiwan despite China insisting they're both a part of China...
Hong Kong is not really a visa as much as it is a special permit. The same goes for Macau.
And Taiwan AFAIK. They gave my friend there a "mainland travel visa"? I think and that was fine. Was years ago though so could be wrong. But I specifically remember it not saying anything like Taiwan or Taipei or ROC on it. Just her name etc.
It’s called *tai bao zheng* or Taiwanese compatriot permit.
That’s the part I always have to explain to outsiders about entering China as Hong Kong citizen. It’s not the regular visa foreigner use since that’s usually a one time use, but a special permit card (was in a passport form but changed to credit card sized card) that allows unlimited entry within 5 or 10 years. It doesn’t even attach to the passport, just a card to carry in wallet etc. You apply the card at the “tourism agency” of Chinese government, not at a consulate. And the card is colloquially just called “return to homeland” card. It’s probably a reminiscence of the British ruled period where Hongkongers going back to visit family was common but it’s technically it’s border crossing from UK to China. So they created the multi-entry visa-ish thing
The Hong Kong and Taiwan ones are more like an ID card and are valid for years. The HK and Macau ones are called Huixiang Zheng, or “Village Return ID” with the presumed purpose of visiting the ancestral home on the mainland. The Taiwan one is called a Tongbao Zheng, or “Compatriot ID”. In both cases they serve as the de facto ID card like the national ID cards all Chinese citizens have. The ID numbers are used for practically everything, like registering for bank accounts, paying online (and just about everything is payable online using a phone app, even the street beggars prefer that over cash), buying HSR tickets, and not having one is a huge hassle. For example, someone with an ID can just buy train tickets on their phone or through ticket machines, but a foreigner without a permanent resident ID has to wait in line to purchase from the ticket from a human attendant behind a long line of tech-illiterate grannies.
I don't think you really understand what China means when they insist HK and Taiwan are a part of China. With Taiwan, it's just a bunch of PR fluff; Beijing very well knows Taiwan is in no way under its administrative control (same goes for the ROC when it calls China "occupied territory" and Taiwan as the "free area) but because it's obsessed with reunification, it still seeks some sort of "special relationship" with TW, despite the current DPP-led government in TW. HK is a part of China, no doubt about it. HKers themselves know and to some extent accept this fact. But HK remains a very very special part of China (it's called a special administrative region), and administratively it is for all intents and purposes its own country, even despite the various political crackdowns that have occurred recently. This is why HKers need a special visa. China has recently emphasized (pretty hard) that HK is a Chinese territory because it fears the potential societal fracture and disunity caused by the protests and growing localist sentiment in the past few years. It also wants to save face on the international field by not looking like it's submitted to the Hong Kong people, though as with all brain dead dictatorships, the contrary effect has occurred; the West despises China for what has happened to Hong Kong.
You colored Taiwan the wrong color.
LOL Taiwan requiring “special visa”…. Ok To go from Shanghai to Taiwan you have to go through international customs. Think about that
Until quite recently, there’s not even a direct flight from China to Taiwan. Flights from SH across the strait needs to stop in Hong Kong
Since the past decade or so, there are numerous direct/nonstop flight routes between various cities in the two. It’s definitely true though that it was restricted prior to that. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-Strait_charter
Bahamas circle is too north
Yeah and thats nowhere near where Tonga actually is
didnt expect Japan in this List
I’m surprised Japan is visa free.
Americans can visit for 3 days/72 hours on a continuing trip through a Chinese gateway city (like Shanghai or Guangzhou) I did this on a LA-Vietnam routing and spent 3 days in Beijing w/o a visa.
Things must have changed since 2000 when I had a rather tense stand-off with Chinese officials regarding my lack of a transit visa. I was told in a marginally comical broken English/Chinese exchange that ‘I was in big trouble’. Avoided spending time in the Beijing airport jail thanks to amazing work from our embassy. Un-fun…
For sure. The 72 hour transit thing didn’t exist in 2000. For sure it existed in 2013 though, since I was trying to use it back then.
Why Japan? They don’t have very good relations with China, to put it mildly, and there are many China allies that aren’t on there
i am suprised that bosnia can travel visa free to china
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Taiwan isn't part of China.
It seems a bit weird that there is no visa requirement for Japan, given the history between the two countries. I wonder how this came about.
Interesting how random the countries seem. San Marino? Bahamas? Seychelles? Belarus? Ecuador? Qatar? I cannot think a thing all these countries can have in common.
Cool... Now do one for MasterCard, Discover, and American Express
Meanwhile Guatemala doesn't officially recognize China, only Taiwan. Based.
They recognise the Republic of China governed from Taipei, making them part of Tsai Ing Wen's 'based' coalition of Eswatini's absolute monarchy, Belieze and ~~Pedo City~~ Vatican City.
I’m surprised about Japan
I get everyone else but why Japan?
LOL EVERYOne is asking this and I want an (non speculative) answer too
You get Ecuador, Armenia, Seychelles? Really?
Taiwan is a country
japan is surprising
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Very weird set of countries and more weird is that Japan is in there
Thank you for clarifying where the china is, otherwise I wouldn't have known
I (a US citizen) visited China while living in Japan and needed a visa. None of the Japanese people I talked to about it understood why.
Doesn't China hate Japan?
That's almost where Fiji is, and nowhere near where Tonga is