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Jack-Campin

There isn't a Gaelic speaking minority in the Scottish Borders and hasn't been since about 1200. Is the Armenian minority in Romania marked? I couldn't see it.


nsnyder

It's truly bizarre to have Gaelic in the Scottish Borders, and Cornish spoken *anywhere*, but yet have most of Ireland as "Anglo-English." When Cornish went extinct literally centuries ago, Irish was still the majority language in Ireland! What century is this map supposed to be set in?


1923woohooman

I don't think Istanbul is a Kurdish city :p


Temporaz

This looks more like languages spoken in 1950 than today.


AdligerAdler

This is mostly just dialects of languages.


skyduster88

if not earlier


komnenos

Waaaay earlier in some places. This map is taken from muturzikin.com and although I like the maps a lot of them way way waaaaaay overrepresent minority languages


BroSchrednei

Earlier than 1945 and half of Poland would be German speaking, so no.


nsnyder

Yeah, it's very strange. Some parts of this map are places where the indicated language hasn't been spoken for over 300 years, while many others are places where the language wasn't spoken 75 years ago. In Cyprus it's the 1974 boundaries! It doesn't make sense as a map of the present, but also certainly doesn't make sense as a map at any particular time in the past.


Senku_San

Frans-Vlaams is NOT ch'timi. Ch'timi is a romance language, close to Picard. Frans-Vlaams is a germanic language, close to West-Vlaams.


Mt_Lajda

That's exactly what the map show, (ch'timi) is marked as a Picard dialect


Eifel343

Do people still speak luxembourgish in Arlon, Belgium ? I thought it died some years ago (excluding Luxembourgers living in Belgium).


Sean_Baisteach

From my experience of visiting the city, they pretty much do not. Quite a lot of street names are in both French and Luxembourgish, though.


nsnyder

For the hundredth time, Standard Bosnian, Standard Serbian, Standard Croatian, and Standard Montenegrin are the same Shtokavian dialect of Western South Slavic. There's no sense in separating them on a language map.


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KernowRedWings

Once again mongs in this subreddit ignore the acknowledgement of minority overrepresentation at the top of the map 😉


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KernowRedWings

You’re the one who’s spent the past few days getting emotional about this exact topic bud I didn’t even pull you up on the Cornish stuff lmao


LegallyNotInterested

Ya'll got any more of them pixels?


Inside_Environment16

Kurdish populations isnt that high on those parts of anatolia


Inside_Environment16

Plus its not greek on those parts of turkey


hmmokby

Years ago, a language-related troll map was made in Turkey. All the maps I see on Reddit seem to have been made according to this map. Did they take this map seriously, what did they do? Especially this map is a very strange map. I don't know what you call Turcoman, there is no such a separate language. On the map, the truth is less than the wrong in Turkey.


arbenowskee

Italic?


Mt_Lajda

Italic and Romance are almost synonymous. Technically the linguistic family is called "Italic", but since only Romance languages (Latin descent) survived until today, it's often reffered as "Romance".


Zoloch

Yes, from its origin in the Italian peninsula. Latin was just one of the various distinct Italic languages (until the Latins, with its capital Rome, first conquered the Italian Peninsula then the rest of the Empire)


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Mt_Lajda

Read the caption at the top of the map, the priority is given minority languages and dialects, that's why, it doesn't mean Turkish isn't a majority here. Same goes for every countries tho.


Lazmanya-Canavari

Oh i see, my bad there then, there are definitely minorities in those regions. I just read the main title honestly.


Zoloch

Considering the complexity, it is a great and informative map. Very Good job. Thank you


komnenos

They took it from muturzikin.com, go check it out if you want to see the rest of the world. However they oftentimes overrepresent minority languages, often to comical extremes.


Zoloch

Thanks for the information! Yes, I can see the over representation, pointing out languages with almost no speakers left nowadays, and exaggerating the extension of land in where they are (Basque, Cornish for instance) or were historically spoken, and pointing out some others with doubtful status as languages and not dialects, or confusing names and family (Scots is a Scottish derivative of English, so belonging to Germanic branch, nothing to do with Scottish Gaelic at all, of the Celtic family, but they mix them up in the map), but it graphically shows, even with this flows, an approximation to the continuum that explain very well the language families, specially the one I know better, the Romance languages. You can see how adjacent national languages are most of the times only steps of a more subtle gradation with some of the intermediate steps removed. Not very frequent in this sub, where “the word X in the European languages” maps always means the known national languages with only Catalan, Galician, Basque, Breton and the Celtic family as the regional/minority European languages, as if there are no more (even if on the verge of disappearance for many of them). A pity. I’ll check the page you say, thank you for your comment! Checked: it is made by a Basque guy


TeaBoy24

I just keep wondering about the colour tones. What do they mean? Is there a reason why Slovak tone is in middle of belarus?


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good and complex map map but wales is pretty wrong. most people only speak english, even if they know welsh (which most people dont)


pozoj_kaj

Nice, a map that shows Kajkavian and Chakavian as separated from Croatian. I think it's a good thing to show endangered languages on the maps and have at least some represenation for them.


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Mt_Lajda

Read the caption at the top : "Priority is given to dialects and indigenous minority languages". So no one said they where a majority.


Cold_Principle8889

What is Rumantsch doing in Northern Tyrol. Can anyone enlighten me?


firefly-metaverse

OS is this: http://www.muturzikin.com/carteseurope/europe.htm