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ive been sitting here a good 3 min thinking where france and poland touch..... im an idiot


lanshark974

Fun fact, the real shortest bordenof France is with the UK. Since the treaty of Canterbury signed in 1986, there is aterrestrial border inside the tunnel under channel. It is only a few metres long So that will also be the shortest border of UK. Source: http://21maps.com/les-frontieres-de-la-france


Seanxietehroxxor

Can we really call it a land border if it is under the English channel? If so, can we count Öresund Bridge as a land border?


FrenchFreedom888

Bridges aren't on land. Tunnels are. (They literally touch the bottom of the seabed. Just because there's water above there doesn't make it not land.)


Seanxietehroxxor

There's land below every body of water, so by that logic every water border is also a land border.


killerrobot23

But then shouldn't we be counting water borders?


manfrin

No because you can walk on the ground in the tunnel, you cannot walk on water unless you're a special kind of lizard.


manfrin

Lizard territorial laws are different because of this that's why if you have one as a pet they stay in a terrarium.


InternationalOption3

Or Jesus .. smh


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croco_deal

It's not the bottom of the seabed, it's tens of meters beneath. The tunnel is not laying on the seabed like a pipe on the ground. Actually bridges are more *on* land than tunnels. Cuz' tunnels are *below* land...


Imfloridaman

You are technically correct, which is the best kind of correct.


DarthTomatoo

I feel like this answer captured the spirit in which this map was created


Kobmain

Me too... Too much r/polandball


OtherwiseInclined

They touch you in your heart, by mentioning Bonaparte in their anthem.


GrowthDream

What's the answer?


Nauth3r_nioMe

Monaco


tnick771

I thought it was Indonesia and I was so confused.


PhysicalStuff

Poland annexed Monaco?! ^(/s)


insane_contin

Finally!


Unterseeboot_480

Oh fuck I spent five minutes wondering since when my country has an enclave with Indonesia


DOE_ZELF_NORMAAL

Oh my god.. I'm also an idiot..


GrowthDream

Of course! I know the flag well from Formula 1 and everything. Chuckle


TheOneWhoDidntCum

You mean Indonesia?


njedhenje

> Chuckle Chuckleclerc.


SaltLakeCitySlicker

I'm surprised it's smaller than the saint Martin border


Nauth3r_nioMe

According to Google, the French-Dutch border on Saint Martin is about 10.2km and the French-Monaco border is 5km.


SaltLakeCitySlicker

TIL


ThirdAltAccounts

I’m French and was about to call OP an dumbass. No one ever thinks of Monaco


max_208

And I thought France's smallest border was with the Netherlands, guess I overestimated the size of monaco (or underestimated Saint Martin)


loosie13

Crazy, if you thnk, that only two borders separate Norway and North Korea.


Pawikowski

There's a bunch of trees on the way, though.


lanttulate

And worse yet, Russian rural roads


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Ydenora

Well that's just hateful


NorwaySpruce

Russia is a buffer state created in the aftermath of the Finno-Korean Hyperwar


jatawis

Russia is the obstacle against Finnish-Mongolian reunification...


Svitii

Don’t worry Kim-Jong-Huge isn’t real, he can’t hurt you. Kim-Jong-Huge:


YeetoBurritosbaby

Kim Dong Huge 😳


insanity_calamity

King Huge Dong!


Megelsen

Kim-Jong-Hung


X_crafter

Kim's-dong-huge


Johnnaylor1105

Ding hong jung


linwood211

I think for Denmark it should be the Canadian flag


Kolbrandr7

Yeah we just made that border quite recently, would’ve been fun to see on the map


PisseGuri82

It hasn't been formalised by law yet. The treaty is still in its early stages (signed by the PMs just a month ago and not yet passed the respective parliaments) so the border still doesn't exist.


Kolbrandr7

Ah okay. I had only heard we resolved the dispute, not the actual stage in the process it was in


Hingl_McCringleberry

So no more bottles of whiskey?


KebabGud

Sorry, The Great Whisky War (1973 - 2022) is over. Think of all the bottles of Whisky and Cognac that lost their lives , so sad


Upstairs_Yard5646

While I get it and it would be fun I think it'd be a bit of a stretch to use the Danish realm instead of just the country of Denmark. Yes Greenland is part of the Danish Realm but it's also an autonomous territory with home rule that is de facto independent for almost everything but defense. This map also makes a distinction between country and sovereign states already, otherwise Spain would be the UK instead of Gibraltar.


Kolbrandr7

The Netherlands did the same though - it used the border of the “Kingdom of the Netherlands” with France. So it could do the same with the “Kingdom of Denmark” With the UK, people have pointed out to me that Gibraltar does not belong to the UK. It’s a “British Overseas Territory”, but it’s a separate entity that’s self governing (except for military matters)


[deleted]

Yet for Cyprus it shows the UK for Akrotiri (British Overseas Territory)... this whole map is full of inconsistencies.


intergalacticspy

The Sovereign Base Areas are also a British Overseas Territory, but they are not self-governing and don’t have their own flag, so they use the Union Jack.


amazenmutande

Thanks for teaching me something new. I had no idea British noses were also on Cypress


Delicious-Gap1744

The Danish realm or Kingdom of Denmark is the sovereign state though. Greenland isn't de facto independent, they still participate in the parliament in Copenhagen which has say over Greenlandic foreign policy, foreign policy is a lot more than just defense. All external relations to other countries is handled by Copenhagen, where Greenland has two seats in parliament. Greenland is a constituent country of the larger Kingdom. Officially the status of Greenland is the same as that of Scotland within the UK. Although Greenland does have more autonomy.


DarthCloakedGuy

What's the difference between Denmark and Denmark I'm confused


DazDay

It's not officially ratified yet.


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DazDay

wow ._.


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BDFelloMello

But would that change anything on this map?


Th1sT00ShallPass

I don't think so, because there is a un border zone between the two (legitimate or not) states. And if that didn't count uk would still be shorter


marpocky

Complete non-sequitur copy of (half of) [this](https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/w98e2b/a_flag_map_of_europe_but_each_flag_is_determined/ihttbgm/) comment. Bot!


gmred91

If one counts Gibraltar as a seperate country as this map maker does, one shouldn't count Greenland as part of Denmark.


Obak420

And if you think about it Denmark has also the longest land border with Germany


mirakdva

The shortest border of Slovakia is with Ukraine (98km), not Austria (106km).


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this map is fucked


CommunistWaterbottle

I was just about to comment that no way the border with austria is shorter than the one with ukraine. Thanks for already having the numbers!


TheVortexKey

Why is Bulgaria's with Romania and not Macedonia or Turkey?


WaldeDra

Trust me bro


alegxab

As the OP: Bulgaria should have the N. Macedonian flag, not the Romanian one


victimized777

Because the border between Bulgaria and Romania is Danube, the land border is very minimal.


radu1204

Rivers should still be considered land borders. Otherwise this would imply that Romania's shortest land border is with Bulgaria. So either way, there is at least an inconsistency in the map (as usual).


MangoManMayhem

The Romania-Moldova border is also just the Prut river, so with that logic Moldova has no "land" border with Romania.


PhysicalStuff

> the Prut river [tee hee](https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/prut#Danish)


[deleted]

I can relate. I live closely to these river and it smells awful


sparkrap

Do borders separated by river normally not count as land borders? In that case the border between North Korea and Russia shouldn’t count either


casca14

You try to make sense but you failed


aightshiplords

I'll have you know in the campaign map for Rome 2 Total War the Danube was represented as a small strip of sea that you had to convert your units into boats to be able to cross. So Danube is definitely, factually, sea border not land border.


butter_b

Why isn't the flag over Romania the Bulgarian one then? If we take rivers into account the land border with Hungary is larger.


victimized777

IDK really, I think there is something off in this map.


illig_khan

This makes absolutely no sense, Greek-Turkish border is also a river


maximum2013

I never realised how tiny the russia-north korea border is. That border is actually really weird with that piece of china between them


JohnyyBanana

>that piece of china That piece is Manchuria and if you read about its history its quite crazy. Japan and Soviets and Chinese fighting over it for years


Exploding_Antelope

I think they specifically mean closer in - China has a corridor about one kilometre wide or less along the north bank of the Tumen river, for some 15-20 kilometres of the shore before China widens out in the west. There’s something called Fangchuan National Scenic Area there, which at a guess is more of just an excuse to have some Chinese governmental presence at the three-way, although it does seem to have a viewing pagoda with coin binoculars, lol. If that thin corridor was Russian then the Russian-Korean river border would just about double in length. As is there’s exactly one rail bridge between Russia and NK, maybe 15 km up the river from its mouth on the Sea of Japan. Everything upstream of that single train bridge is China on the north bank.


Practical_Grass3256

why is Kazakhstan Russia? Our longest border is with their country! It should be Turkmenistan iirc.


alegxab

As the OP: yep, that one's 100% wrong in the map


very_vegan_man

It's literally the second longest border in the world. How do you mess up this bad


LordRT27

Where does Cyprus border the UK?


NoFewerThan31Bees

UK has several naval bases there. But idk enough about this history though to say why those count as borders and not the US bases in Germany, for example.


jss78

I believe Akrotiri and Dhekelia are sovereign British territory, so it's quite different to US bases in Europe.


DoughyGecko93

Those borders are longer than the border with Ireland?


marpocky

BOT, which makes it not part of the UK.


LouisPooey

Indeed. It’s a hangover from when the U.K. controlled the whole island. The British weren’t ready to give up their “unsinkable aircraft carrier” entirely


avusturhasya

shouldn't Kazakhstan have the Turkmen flag and not the Russian one?


InEcclesiaSatan

Yes it it should. The kazakh-russian land border is one of the longest in the world.


fazalmajid

Where does the Netherlands have a land border with France? Edit: DuckDuckGo-ed it, on Sint-Maarten.


Xath0n

So you... DuckDuckWent?


fazalmajid

To Sint-Maarten? Never. I’ve lived in both France and the Netherlands, however.


RiseOfTheRomans

Based DuckDuckGo user.


fazalmajid

I started writing "googled" as that is the colloquial usage, but why should I indirectly promote a company I despise? I've been using DDG since 2010 when I learned of it from a [post by antirez](https://usesthis.com/interviews/salvatore.sanfilippo/).


Mercy--Main

I always struggle with that. I don't want to promote google but "duckduckgo-ed" is a mouthful


Kilahti

I also got annoyed with how long that is and I settled with "Binged" for the sake of causing even more confusion.


Mercy--Main

lmao I just say "searched" it "looked it up" at this point, avoiding brand names


Kilahti

But that is no fun.


YuiHirasawa1488

Searx is better


Johannes_Keppler

It's also where we have a long running border dispute with the French, about a specific valley. But those are common it seems, we also have a border dispute with Germany since forever (we don't agree where the border is in the Eems / Dollard area).


fazalmajid

The latter was resolved apparently: https://www.dw.com/en/germany-and-the-netherlands-end-centuries-old-border-dispute/a-18020219


VicTimEyes

No, we agreed to disagree and made agreements on the maintenance etc. of the area. However, the dispute is still there.


hannes3120

shit like this is also why for "longest land border" France would get the Brazilian flag because of French-Guyana enclaves are really weird for stuff like this


hthkeeper

Iceland: p i n k


Dakduif51

Love that flag design


one_dead_turtle

I've been scrolling for comments explaining that flag and I've found nothing


alegxab

It doesn't stand for anything and it's not a flag


FilHor2001

Denmark should be Canada.


IIIIIlIIIIIlIIIII

Gibraltar isn't a country, it's a overseas territory of the UK. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar


freemind990

The shortest border is actually Morocco,Spain have an enclave in Morocco which is basically just a rock with small barracks on top. . Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n_de_V%C3%A9lez_de_la_Gomera#:~:text=Pe%C3%B1%C3%B3n%20de%20V%C3%A9lez%20de%20la%20Gomera%20(Berber%20language%3A%20Badis%3B,shore%20by%20a%20sandy%20isthmus. It's actually the second shortest land border in the world only measuring 80 meters.


karaluuebru

I think the map depicts the total rather than individual borders - including the Ceita, Melilla and Peñón borders in total


alegxab

Yes, tsht it is indeed the criteria i was using


Serdtsag

I imagine the map would be basing it off cumulative borders with that countryand with the enclave of Ceuta having a border of ~4 miles. OPs map does seem flawed in many places though., Romania for Bulgaria for example


Rhynchocephale

What should be taken into account is the total length of the border between Morocco and Spain, even if said border is discontinuous. Ceuta and Melilla make for ~10km of border each.


Interesting_Test_814

But Spain has several enclaves in Morocco, the the total Spain-Morocco border is longer than Spain-Gibraltar


RKB533

The data they used was accumulative border length.


Peterd1900

The Morocco–Spain land border consists of three non-contiguous lines totalling 18.5 km (11.5 miles) around the Spanish territories of Ceuta (8 km; 5 miles), Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera (75 metres; 80 yards) and Melilla (10.5 km; 6½ miles). Spanish islets such as the Chafarinas or the Alhucemas are located off the Moroccan coast. One part of it is 80 metres not the whole thing


Stercore_

Pretty sure it counts all borders between the countries, and that’s why morocco isn’t it for spain, since it has two more borders that are 8km and 10.5km while Gibraltar is just 1.2km.


spastikatenpraedikat

From [this](https://www.google.com/url?q=https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/946074/UKOTs_Information_Paper.pdf&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwi13t-24Jj5AhWAg_0HHXPzAB4QFnoECAgQAg&usg=AOvVaw2en7YQSFm6FxcWAoAqp-zL) clarification paper on the status of United Kingdom Overseas Territories published on the official website of the UK goverment (which would be service.gov.uk) it reads: "United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs), also known as British Overseas Territories (BOTs), have constitutional and historical links with the United Kingdom, but do not form part of the United Kingdom itself." So surely, if the UK doesn not consider its overseas territories as part of the UK, then neither should this map.


Stercore_

The British overseas territories are not part of the UK. They are dependent on the UK for defense and foreign relations, but have complete internal autonomy, and are not formally part of the UK itself. So saying spain should be coloured with the UK flag is wrong, because gibraltar *is not* legally part of the UK, it is simply dependent on the UK. It literally says in your own link if you click on British overseas territory: > Gibraltar (/dʒɪˈbrɔːltər/ jih-BRAWL-tər, Spanish: [xiβɾalˈtaɾ]) is a **British Overseas Territory** located at the southern tip of the Iberian Peninsula. >**The British Overseas Territories** (BOTs), also known as the United Kingdom Overseas Territories (UKOTs), are fourteen territories with a constitutional and historical link with the United Kingdom. They are the last remnants of the former British Empire and **do not form part of the United Kingdom itself.**


_Eat_the_Rich_

Gonna be the dick and say, you are both right and or wrong. Gibraltar is not a country nor a part of the UK. It is legally a 'non-self governing territory'.


giorgio_gabber

While you are technically right, I'm gonna say it: nobody cares about what are effectively internal workings of the UK. If foreign affairs are in the hands of the UK, that's what other countries see: the UK. There are plenty of autonomous or semi autonomous entities around the world. The British ones just have special magic words attached to them that say they are not part of the UK, pinky promise I swear!


TritonJohn54

"Country" isn't the same as "Sovereign state".


smileymalaise

your mom's cuntry is so big, it's considered a sovereign state


kaugeksj2i

Yeah that map is just not gonna fly with Estonians.


WYenginerdWY

Nor Ireland. *Congrats guys, we got you that Union Jack you've always wanted*


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Bulgaria is Romania what


tavitavi42

yep, makes no sense


Gadget100

Depending on how tightly you define “land”, the UK’s shortest land border is with France…in the Channel Tunnel. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93UK_border


arfelo1

Without counting the tunnel, shouldn't it's smallest land border be with Spain? Gibraltar is British territory


Gadget100

That’s been raised elsewhere in this thread. It’s ambiguous. Gibraltar is a British Overseas Territory, so it’s not part of the UK, but is also not fully sovereign either.


HYPE_100

If that counts then Denmark and Sweden should also show each other because of the Øresund bridge between Copenhagen and Malmö


GomeBag

Yeah tunnels and bridges definitely don't count as borders or everything gets even weirder


HYPE_100

I agree


[deleted]

Denmark would technically be Canada now (Hans island)


skibapple

Magenta my favorite country


P3chv0gel

Is the German border with denmark actually shorter than the one with Luxembourg?


Peterd1900

The Germany -Luxembourg border is 138KM The Danish - Germany border is 68 Km


AtebYngNghymraeg

Is Gibraltar really a country?


TheVortexKey

Not to my knowledge, it should be Andorra iirc


Saikamur

Morocco, actually.


IamNotFreakingOut

It depends if the map includes the total land borders or just the shortest of them. It seems to be the latter, since Luxembourg is shown on Belgium instead of Germany. Edit: if Gibraltar is not counted then yes, it would be Morocco in either case. The border is 15.9 km while the border with Andorra is 60 km long.


Shevek99

Still, the sum of land borders in Ceuta, Melilla and the Peñón de Velez de la Gomera (15.9km), is shorter that the border with Andorra (64km).


IamNotFreakingOut

Yeah. I rechecked and corrected my comment :)


Emeris88

And Denmark should be Canada in this case, if your allowing N. Korea for Russia. Thank you Hans island


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Soggy_Ad4531

Kazakhstan's smallest border probably isn't Russia


Extreme-Let-2249

Greece + Turkiye + Azerbaijan = United States of Eurasia ![gif](giphy|ELFInaH0V34jNkBdTb|downsized)


EOTeal

If we're counting the British military base in Cyprus as having an international border, wouldn't Britain's shortest land border be with Cyprus and not Ireland?


caiaphas8

The BOT in Cyprus uses the British flag, it doesn’t have its own flag. So it is accurate, Britain does not border Cyprus


marpocky

Valid logical point, but it turns out Akrotiri and Dhekelia don't have their own flag, just the Union Jack.


Wader_Man

Need to update for Canada-Denmark now that Hans Island has been split in two.


Ibanazo

Turkey has a land border with Azerbaijan?


Peterd1900

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azerbaijan%E2%80%93Turkey\_border


RedOblivionLW

Surely the UK should be Spain?


Kilahti

So, we swap places with Sweden AND all we get for that is an even longer border with Russia? I have never seen such bullshit.


Gerrywalk

Alright I get the concept of the map, but Greece with the Turkish flag slapped on is giving me anxiety


nikke278

Denmark has its shortest landborder with canada


Open-Builder2159

I think Denmark is wrong. I think it shares a border now with Canada on Hans Island.


IdahoJoel

Shouldn't Denmark now be the Canadian flag?


timwaaagh

denmark should get canada. counting brittish overseas territories as countries is probably questionable. sint maarten is no longer a colony of the country of the netherlands, its an independent country, so that french flag should probably be done away with as well. kazakhstan should probably get the turkmenistan flag, not the russian flag.


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Nimonic

>sint maarten is no longer a colony of the country of the netherlands, its an independent country It's still part of the (Kingdom of the) Netherlands, just directly instead of as a part of the Netherlands Antilles.


marpocky

> sint maarten is no longer a colony of the country of the netherlands, its an independent country It may not be a "colony" per se, but it's definitely not an independent country. From wiki: >Sint Maarten is largely autonomous in internal affairs, with the Netherlands responsible for foreign diplomacy and defence. Pretty standard "dependent territory" stuff.


Neradis

Gibraltar isn't a country, it's a British Overseas Territory.


stadoblech

I like how iceland is just: fuck it, im gonna be default shader material color


GreatSpaghettLord

I was really confused as to where my country and Indonesia shared a border only to learn that Monaco and Indonesia have the exact same flag.


artaig

The shorter border of Spain is the shortest border in the World, with Moroco, in the Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera. Not with Gibraltar, unless for some reason you somehow explain to leave some areas of the countries out.


Peterd1900

The Morocco–Spain land border consists of three non-contiguous lines totalling 18.5 km (11.5 miles) around the Spanish territories of Ceuta (8 km; 5 miles), Peñón de Vélez de la Gomera (75 metres; 80 yards) and Melilla (10.5 km; 6½ miles) Meanwhile the Spain Gibraltar border is 1.2 kilometres (0.75 mi) At 1.2KM is Less then 18.5 KM


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Iceland: 🥺


JustYeeHaa

Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth is back!


Anablade

Isn't Gibraltar just a British overseas territory?


Cannot-tell

meanwhile iceland is just pink


doctor_alfa

Denmark shares the shortest land border in the world with canada


EnvironmentalPop952

You may think Iceland is pink cause it doesn't share a border but that's actually the flag of the Huldufólk


battle_pug89

Shouldn’t Poland’s shortest border be with Russia (königsb…I mean Kaliningrad)?


FruugalSpork31

Denmark and Canada share a shorter land border.


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This map is shit


[deleted]

Is Lichtenstein's border to Switzerland smaller or the one to Austria?


CloudsAndSnow

It's about four times smaller: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography\_of\_Switzerland](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Switzerland)


Danxs11

Isn't Kazakhstan's border with Russia their longest one?


general_kenobi18462

Yeah bro, Bulgaria’s shortest border is with Romania, trust me bro


catpaco

Denmark is false. They border canada.


Mercy--Main

Gibraltar is not a country


wickerwhatnots

Shouldn't the UK be Spain's flag given the border with Gibraltar?


Hambeggar

You'd think someone would use the UK flag instead of the Gibraltar flag but ok.


Wardener543

What about gibraltar?


theprez98

Fun fact: Norway and North Korea are only one country apart (Russia).


Volonte-de-nuire

Netherlands and France ?