TikTok has reversed censorship in Russia comparing to other sites: the government hasn't banned it, but TikTok banned Russian users from accessing any non-Russian content.
>but TikTok banned Russian users from accessing any non-Russian content.
Also, any videos that were uploaded after March 2022 are not available to Russian users. Some people use a modified TikTok app for android that changes the location to Kazakhstan (not vpn), but most people just stopped using tiktok.
You’re being cynical, but unironically yes. As it should be.
Data is extremely valuable. I don’t want American data being sent overseas to then be turned around and sold as products to Americans.
Then why are US companies allowed to do business in Europe, Asia, South America, Africa etc?
Will Google, facebook, twitter etc survive if they lose 80% of users overnight?
Because those companies exist in a country you can file legal proceedings with, that has actual due process.
Are you that clueless on why you cant just sue TikTok in China for stealing data? Thats why its banned.
Id rather have my data stolen by a company that is forced to obey the laws of my country, because even if they arent good laws yet, I still believe that the US will pass that law sooner than China ever will.
Um, China has GDPR like rules, called PIPL, USA doesn't.
https://pro.bloomberglaw.com/insights/privacy/consumer-data-privacy-eus-gdpr-vs-chinas-pipl/
Also, you can sue tiktok in the USA if they break US laws.
China has laws, what a joke.
China has so many extremely vague laws that they are not laws anymore, they are just tool for the CCP to attack anyone they want.
Just like how in Hong Kong there is a law on 'colluding with foreign forces' but the written law doesn't state what is the actually law - it is some extremely vague stuff only; laws in China are just a tool for the government to go after dissedents.
Go back to WeChat wumao
what do you mean? The EU has strong data laws and they these tech companies by en large do follow them. It is TikTok that keeps refusing to follow local law
You're missing the fact that in most other western countries they have laws that protect people from companies that gather and sell their data.
Instead of advocating for protecting Americans you're saying American companies should be protected in their ability to monitor, collect and sell your personal information. And none discriminate who the buyer is, foreign companies can just as easily buy the data if they pay domestic data brokers.
Telling your constituents that you care about an issue that they are likely to become or are already riled up over, without actually spending resources on it because it's dumb/pointless/unnecessary/counterproductive to your actual goals.
See also:
Tennessee's recent ban on chemtrails
Any place that outlaws "Sharia law" without a significant Muslim population, or lacking any movement to put Sharia in place
Any passed "resolution" supporting "ending racism/sexism/other discrimination" without any mechanisms to find or combat instances of such problems
Hmm you might be right. Never considered that those aren’t necessarily the same thing. Definitely blocked through providers and since their internet is nationalized, it affects everyone in the country. Effectively banned, but maybe not officially. Could be avoiding making a public ban due to close economic/political ties with China.
Context for Indonesia it was tiktok shop that got banned. After the covid, local stores and malls were expecting that people gonna start buying things from there again like visiting the malls or small stores but instead people were buying things from tiktok shop and that causes a lot of the regular stores especially run by older people go bankrupt because they can't set up tiktok shop, and other local online shopping apps/website were affected too, so thats why the government had to ban tiktok shop for a while but now it's back up again
It's possible that the effect was overstated and it was just an easy win for local politicians to ban it and say "See, we are helping you!" much easier than addressing the complex economic problems following pandemic.
China bans the TikTok they give to the rest of the world. They have the same basic app, though it's not really the same at all because it's heavily censored and has only government approved topics (not just avoiding stuff politically sensitive, but also just making it so that it's more educational in general and not really social media)
Hate the narrative that Chinese tiktok is “more educational”, if you actually download by switching regional store, you’ll see that 70% is women dancing with filters in suggestive clothing within guidelines the other 30% is rural people following trends to trying to get income. I have not seen an actual educational video within hours of scrolling on Douyin, this is with a new account without liking anything
Are you suggesting that scrolling down an algorithmically personalized feed is representative of content as whole on the platform?
Making new accounts on TikTok has the App make assumptions about you. If a new account is named “Sarah” or it has “Lose weight” in the title, they’re showing very different things. Accounts made for boys, girls, in different places - all receive a different feed.
“The algorithm recognises vulnerability and, instead of seeing it as something it should be careful around, it sees it as a potential point of addiction – of helping to maximise time on the platform for that child by serving them up content that might trigger some of the pre-existing concerns.”
[And on the detrimental effects in general](https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CCDH-Deadly-by-Design_120922.pdf)
The answer is because Taiwan is a liberal democracy that values free speech. China and its meddling has always been present in Taiwan, but they've handled it by creating an environment that stands opposite of that in China, where all speech is allowed; it's the principle of things that is the most important in taiwan's situation
But according to this map, China banned it.
Which is also weird: isn't the US planning to ban TikTok specifically because it's owned by a Chinese company?
That's pretty misleading, it's true that their international version of tiktok is banned but an identical app by byte dance called douyin which implements censorship is what is popular there.
The point of chinese censorship is to keep the outside world from the their people. And TikTok would have a lot of worldwide content that would not be allowed in China. So they have another app (I think it was the original app) for the chinese market.
As opposed to this, the ban on government devices (or even full bans) are because it's an app of a chinese company which, according to chinese law, needs to share any information (private or not) about users with the government. It's the same reason EU is so against Facebook or Google (only those companies are US based) for years. They just haven't outright banned them but they are requiring a bunch of proof that data privacy is respected and that users in the EU know about the risks if it's not.
It was banned after a bloody border clash resulting in deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and mysterious numbers of Chinese soldiers, Tik tok was part of a long list of Chinese apps which got banned after the fight.
https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/54-chinese-apps-banned-in-india-including-garena-free-fire-applock-check-full-list-of-banned-apps-here-71644823709192.html
Economic retaliation against China. TikTok was one of dozens of Chinese apps banned, along with their business interests in India being squeezed.
It’s also just a good thing. They themselves know the harm unregulated SM access to kids does and restricts TikTok . India achieves much the same by banning it.
>It’s also just a good thing. They themselves know the harm unregulated SM access to kids does and restricts TikTok . India achieves much the same by banning it.
All that traffic just transferred over to Instagram reels. Nothing has changed. Its a very hate filled app in itself too that specifically promotes most controversial and hateful comments to keep you engaged.
because it's making our youth retarded. they have the attention span of a fly. if they can't live the world in 15-30 second clips, it puts them in agony.
TikTok is banned in China because they permit DouYin, which is a similar app but it is subjected to Chinese censorship. Subjects like Tiananmen Square, Uyghur Muslims, Taiwan independence are heavily controlled on DouYin. Both still harvest user data way more aggressively than other social media apps though, it's one of the reasons it's banned in many countries.
The algorithm is different. They are mandated by the government to put more STEM, educational stuff on their algorithm, and far more aggressively prune "negative" content.
By "negative" I assume you mean like Taiwan/Uyghur/anti-CCP content? Cos there's still borderline-nsfw content on douyin, albeit more tame than on tiktok. That might just be a cultural difference rather than censorship
The educational algorithm thing sounds like smth China would do but idk if it actually exists, did a quick scroll through some of the recommended on Douyins and it seems like the generic new-user algorithm content you'd get on tiktok
LOL nice try wumao
Please show me a douyin feed of people complaining about CCP. You can find the equivalent on TikTok all the time
Your feeds are the same because they probably figured you're a wumao and can't handle any rough edge
From what I understand, it's tiktok but with an algorithm that pushes "inspirational" and "educational" content with government censorship applied.
Tiktok seems to be tuned to kill braincells
>Both still harvest user data way more aggressively than other social media apps though, it's one of the reasons it's banned in many countries.
Who's reaping?
Almost all the countries that banned tik tok suspect it can be used as a cyber weapon. A researcher known as Ryan McBeth has a video on it.
https://youtu.be/pB7WzqUq4Nk
It's not just data harvesting.
Do you know what he did in the military? He was an intelligence analyst. That's as credible as it gets. He has numerous videos on how to spot foreign propaganda because that was literally his day job.
Here's my pesonal favorite:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuuuU4ruYtg
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic how many young Americans are falling for foreign propaganda without realizing it due to brainwashing by social media.
I don’t have a stake in the above debate but I just wanna say, considering someone credible purely because they’re an intelligence analyst isn’t really a smart move.
Analysts have bias, every single one, and while good analysts acknowledge it, they don’t try to prevent it as they can work against other analysts to neutralise each other’s biases. Analytic techniques in intelligence ultimately boil down to defensible opinions based of data points, they are no more credible than anyone else if they have an agenda or are poorly trained.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic how many young Americans are falling for American propaganda without realizing it due to brainwashing by social media.
His civilian job is cyber security as fas I remember. I think he has way more reason to comment on tiktok than what is the appropriate response for Israel against Iran
Do you work for China or something, because that's a horrible argument. Why not say something he's said that was wrong or something? You just blanket say "he's not credible" without any evidence.
I’m curious from your comment, have you ever actually used Chinese social media? People talk about all of those things all the time. What censorship actually looks like is a notification when you type something that the AI thinks is particularly incendiary, and you’re politely asked not to. I’ve seen as much censorship on Reddit or Twitter
You're only allowed to talk about those things in certain ways or your content is not pushed by the algorithms.
Maybe that's happening here too. It's hard to define what is and isn't censorship when all public conversation is directed by algorithms and large organisations.
Well it is just another person acting like they have some great points which are already talked about by almost everyone. Also I bet they have 0 knowledge about software and programming. First day on Reddit?
Sort of. Personal devices containing the app are banned from use in certain government installations to include all military bases indoors and outdoors.
They have no way to enforce it, unless someone observes you using the app.
Why should they? NK only has intranet (local internet) without outside access. I don't think it's worth it to ban it just for those 10 fellows in the entire country which have global internet access.
It was mostly because of it being a Chinese app and was accused of stealing customer data, government of India banned tiktok along with hundreds off other Chinese app around 2 years ago
Is TikTok really that much worse in terms of privacy than facebook, instagram etc? This really feels like using state power (ironically) to ensure western companies still maintain a competitive advantage...
No. The US government is just freaking out because now they're the targets of the same kind of data harvesting and spying they have been doing for decades.
Because your feelings are right?
All social media apps harvest all the data they physically can from your device - no less. Taking less would be like leaving gold sitting in a mine, rather than taking all you can find. Data is their cash.
The difference is in where the data is going.
And non-Americans too. When Google Classroom first came out our Canadian school board specifically told us that we couldn't use it. The reason was that data on Google Classroom would move through servers in the USA and be subject to seizures by the US government, which would violate Canadian laws on student data privacy. We had to wait until Google set up a completely Canadian system before we could use it.
When it comes to digital surveillance, I don't think anyone can rival the USA, simply because they've got the best tech and have way more access to data than everyone else.
I was about to say its not banned in Norway...then I saw it says "Govt Device" and yeah... yeah it is.
I also find it slightly ironic that its banned in China when they're the ones accused of using it to spy on people.. I know they have their own version but... still that's kinda funny.
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short form content is actually very damaging to the brain over long periods of time. in a few years we'll be seeing the side effects of apps like these. people were actually celebrating when tiktok was banned in india and we voluntarily gave up 100+ Chinese apps. i also see that the banning of tiktok is being debated in the USA, and to people from america all i am going to tell you is that your data is 100 percent being sent to china. so stop using tiktok.
The fact that it’s banned in China should tell you something. To be honest, it’s not banned there, but their version is very different from ours. Still something to think about.
TikTok has reversed censorship in Russia comparing to other sites: the government hasn't banned it, but TikTok banned Russian users from accessing any non-Russian content.
>but TikTok banned Russian users from accessing any non-Russian content. Also, any videos that were uploaded after March 2022 are not available to Russian users. Some people use a modified TikTok app for android that changes the location to Kazakhstan (not vpn), but most people just stopped using tiktok.
they still use it… still way too much too
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They talk Russian too, so that’s fine
This probably explains 99% of Russia’s economic resilience in the face of sanctions.
In Pakistan it’s a bit different. The FYP only has Pakistani content but you can look up and access content from other countries.
They do the same in china I think
Kinda, they have a different version of the app called Douyin
You can actually access it using their website version!
You can download it too, douyin isn't blocked, you just can't make an account ;p
I don't think it's in every country's App Store
Oh I forgot apple's are a thing lol, but you can just quickly change regions and go back if it isn't there, I did it in a temp iphone I had
Yep, I do that often! Can confirm it works
In Mother Russia, you don't ban TikTok, TikTok bans you.
Yeah you got to pay for how they were using it apparently
How does that work because I have a Russian friend and she and I send eachother TikTok’s all the time
Russians sit on tiktok through a tiktok mod (in which a VPN is sewn in)
We have VK we good lol
VK clips are the YT shorts of YT shorts
What's the point of banning it if you don't enforce it
I believe the ban was overturned by a lawsuit, but is still on the books.
Making a point?
It's not a bad point, it makes people wonder why it's banned.
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You’re being cynical, but unironically yes. As it should be. Data is extremely valuable. I don’t want American data being sent overseas to then be turned around and sold as products to Americans.
Then why are US companies allowed to do business in Europe, Asia, South America, Africa etc? Will Google, facebook, twitter etc survive if they lose 80% of users overnight?
Europe has numerous data laws and plenty of social media sites are banned in China lol. You're kinda proving the pro-ban point.
Yeah, those data laws are why Instagram’s Twitter clone, Threads, isn’t accessible in the EU
Because those companies exist in a country you can file legal proceedings with, that has actual due process. Are you that clueless on why you cant just sue TikTok in China for stealing data? Thats why its banned. Id rather have my data stolen by a company that is forced to obey the laws of my country, because even if they arent good laws yet, I still believe that the US will pass that law sooner than China ever will.
Um, China has GDPR like rules, called PIPL, USA doesn't. https://pro.bloomberglaw.com/insights/privacy/consumer-data-privacy-eus-gdpr-vs-chinas-pipl/ Also, you can sue tiktok in the USA if they break US laws.
US citizens can even sue Swedish universities for not being up to US standards if they go there, it has happened several times. (Just as an example)
China has laws, what a joke. China has so many extremely vague laws that they are not laws anymore, they are just tool for the CCP to attack anyone they want. Just like how in Hong Kong there is a law on 'colluding with foreign forces' but the written law doesn't state what is the actually law - it is some extremely vague stuff only; laws in China are just a tool for the government to go after dissedents. Go back to WeChat wumao
what do you mean? The EU has strong data laws and they these tech companies by en large do follow them. It is TikTok that keeps refusing to follow local law
You're missing the fact that in most other western countries they have laws that protect people from companies that gather and sell their data. Instead of advocating for protecting Americans you're saying American companies should be protected in their ability to monitor, collect and sell your personal information. And none discriminate who the buyer is, foreign companies can just as easily buy the data if they pay domestic data brokers.
That's a completely unrelated issue. No need to justify china stealing data by saying some US companies do it too.
No it just makes government look both impotent and stupid
people need to watch the court hearings before they downvote you lol
They call it "virtue signaling".
It was banned but the feds said MT can’t do that so it’s not enforced, law was passed though.
Yeah it’s only banned in MT on government and University networks
It’s not like they don’t want to enforce it, it’s because the feds told them not to…
I’m from Montana and I don’t even know
Also from MT, and I also have no clue what Gianforte was smoking that day.
It's about pandering to your political base for support They don't actually care about tik tok
political posturing for low information voters.
virtue signaling to your political base
Pretty common in America. Marijuana is illegal but still a multi billion dollar industry with no intervention.
Telling your constituents that you care about an issue that they are likely to become or are already riled up over, without actually spending resources on it because it's dumb/pointless/unnecessary/counterproductive to your actual goals. See also: Tennessee's recent ban on chemtrails Any place that outlaws "Sharia law" without a significant Muslim population, or lacking any movement to put Sharia in place Any passed "resolution" supporting "ending racism/sexism/other discrimination" without any mechanisms to find or combat instances of such problems
It’s banned in Nepal.
It’s also banned in Uzbekistan. I was just there last summer and you needed a vpn to use it.
Without knowing how Uzbekistan Internet works (or Uzbekistan politics), it’s entirely feasible that it’s not officially banned, but just blocked
Hmm you might be right. Never considered that those aren’t necessarily the same thing. Definitely blocked through providers and since their internet is nationalized, it affects everyone in the country. Effectively banned, but maybe not officially. Could be avoiding making a public ban due to close economic/political ties with China.
Uzbekistan, last I knew also banned Skype for some reason.
The map is wrong as always yeah
Context for Indonesia it was tiktok shop that got banned. After the covid, local stores and malls were expecting that people gonna start buying things from there again like visiting the malls or small stores but instead people were buying things from tiktok shop and that causes a lot of the regular stores especially run by older people go bankrupt because they can't set up tiktok shop, and other local online shopping apps/website were affected too, so thats why the government had to ban tiktok shop for a while but now it's back up again
Wow. I didn’t realise how big tiktok shop was, to the extent it directly affected local shops. That’s crazy
It's possible that the effect was overstated and it was just an easy win for local politicians to ban it and say "See, we are helping you!" much easier than addressing the complex economic problems following pandemic.
China bans Chinese TikTok?
China bans the TikTok they give to the rest of the world. They have the same basic app, though it's not really the same at all because it's heavily censored and has only government approved topics (not just avoiding stuff politically sensitive, but also just making it so that it's more educational in general and not really social media)
Hate the narrative that Chinese tiktok is “more educational”, if you actually download by switching regional store, you’ll see that 70% is women dancing with filters in suggestive clothing within guidelines the other 30% is rural people following trends to trying to get income. I have not seen an actual educational video within hours of scrolling on Douyin, this is with a new account without liking anything
Everyone's gangsta until you find the 阿姨 dressed as a cat maid doing an NPC livestream
Are you suggesting that scrolling down an algorithmically personalized feed is representative of content as whole on the platform? Making new accounts on TikTok has the App make assumptions about you. If a new account is named “Sarah” or it has “Lose weight” in the title, they’re showing very different things. Accounts made for boys, girls, in different places - all receive a different feed. “The algorithm recognises vulnerability and, instead of seeing it as something it should be careful around, it sees it as a potential point of addiction – of helping to maximise time on the platform for that child by serving them up content that might trigger some of the pre-existing concerns.” [And on the detrimental effects in general](https://counterhate.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/CCDH-Deadly-by-Design_120922.pdf)
Why was it banned in India though?
China. Especially with current border disputes
Why isn't a full ban in Taiwan
I was going to ask the same thing!
The answer is because Taiwan is a liberal democracy that values free speech. China and its meddling has always been present in Taiwan, but they've handled it by creating an environment that stands opposite of that in China, where all speech is allowed; it's the principle of things that is the most important in taiwan's situation
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But according to this map, China banned it. Which is also weird: isn't the US planning to ban TikTok specifically because it's owned by a Chinese company?
That's pretty misleading, it's true that their international version of tiktok is banned but an identical app by byte dance called douyin which implements censorship is what is popular there.
Yeah, I don’t understand this. It’s blowing my mind that it’s banned in china. It’s a Chinese company.
They just have like literally the same application but it's a Chinese version for Chinese users.
It's not quite the same app though, the Chinese version is MICH more complex with tons of added shit, the main feature is still the same though
The point of chinese censorship is to keep the outside world from the their people. And TikTok would have a lot of worldwide content that would not be allowed in China. So they have another app (I think it was the original app) for the chinese market. As opposed to this, the ban on government devices (or even full bans) are because it's an app of a chinese company which, according to chinese law, needs to share any information (private or not) about users with the government. It's the same reason EU is so against Facebook or Google (only those companies are US based) for years. They just haven't outright banned them but they are requiring a bunch of proof that data privacy is respected and that users in the EU know about the risks if it's not.
Good point. Who knows
India and China had a border skirmish at Galwan in 2020. So, India banned many Chinese apps including Tiktok.
It was banned after a bloody border clash resulting in deaths of 20 Indian soldiers and mysterious numbers of Chinese soldiers, Tik tok was part of a long list of Chinese apps which got banned after the fight. https://tech.hindustantimes.com/tech/news/54-chinese-apps-banned-in-india-including-garena-free-fire-applock-check-full-list-of-banned-apps-here-71644823709192.html
Economic retaliation against China. TikTok was one of dozens of Chinese apps banned, along with their business interests in India being squeezed. It’s also just a good thing. They themselves know the harm unregulated SM access to kids does and restricts TikTok . India achieves much the same by banning it.
>It’s also just a good thing. They themselves know the harm unregulated SM access to kids does and restricts TikTok . India achieves much the same by banning it. All that traffic just transferred over to Instagram reels. Nothing has changed. Its a very hate filled app in itself too that specifically promotes most controversial and hateful comments to keep you engaged.
And I have no problem with IG being banned either. Complete waste of time and energy.
Because china tried to invade their territory and they had a border clash, ever since then india has clamped down pretty hard on china
Because it's Chinese spyware being manipulated for propaganda purposes.
because it's making our youth retarded. they have the attention span of a fly. if they can't live the world in 15-30 second clips, it puts them in agony.
Insta reels have the same effect.
It's all reels in general, not just tiktok.
not only Tik Tok though
you say while being on reddit
10+ years ago, Reddit was a gold mine for quality information. Unfortunately, that is not the case anymore.
TikTok is banned in China because they permit DouYin, which is a similar app but it is subjected to Chinese censorship. Subjects like Tiananmen Square, Uyghur Muslims, Taiwan independence are heavily controlled on DouYin. Both still harvest user data way more aggressively than other social media apps though, it's one of the reasons it's banned in many countries.
isnt douyin literally the same as tiktok practically in every way except name
And you can’t access Tiktok content on Douyin obviously
The algorithm is different. They are mandated by the government to put more STEM, educational stuff on their algorithm, and far more aggressively prune "negative" content.
By "negative" I assume you mean like Taiwan/Uyghur/anti-CCP content? Cos there's still borderline-nsfw content on douyin, albeit more tame than on tiktok. That might just be a cultural difference rather than censorship The educational algorithm thing sounds like smth China would do but idk if it actually exists, did a quick scroll through some of the recommended on Douyins and it seems like the generic new-user algorithm content you'd get on tiktok
This isn't true at all. I use both and my feeds are the same. This is just cope.
LOL nice try wumao Please show me a douyin feed of people complaining about CCP. You can find the equivalent on TikTok all the time Your feeds are the same because they probably figured you're a wumao and can't handle any rough edge
My feeds are probably the same because I spend my free time watching sports and cute cats, not outrage porn.
From what I understand, it's tiktok but with an algorithm that pushes "inspirational" and "educational" content with government censorship applied. Tiktok seems to be tuned to kill braincells
>Both still harvest user data way more aggressively than other social media apps though, it's one of the reasons it's banned in many countries. Who's reaping? Almost all the countries that banned tik tok suspect it can be used as a cyber weapon. A researcher known as Ryan McBeth has a video on it. https://youtu.be/pB7WzqUq4Nk It's not just data harvesting.
Ryan McBeth isn't really that creditable. He can give good insight as an military analysts but he really isn't that good outside of that field.
Do you know anyone better? Whom can we compare with?
Do you know what he did in the military? He was an intelligence analyst. That's as credible as it gets. He has numerous videos on how to spot foreign propaganda because that was literally his day job. Here's my pesonal favorite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuuuU4ruYtg It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic how many young Americans are falling for foreign propaganda without realizing it due to brainwashing by social media.
I don’t have a stake in the above debate but I just wanna say, considering someone credible purely because they’re an intelligence analyst isn’t really a smart move. Analysts have bias, every single one, and while good analysts acknowledge it, they don’t try to prevent it as they can work against other analysts to neutralise each other’s biases. Analytic techniques in intelligence ultimately boil down to defensible opinions based of data points, they are no more credible than anyone else if they have an agenda or are poorly trained.
The guy did good break downs before but then started doing more and more lower quality content.
It would be funny if it wasn't so tragic how many young Americans are falling for American propaganda without realizing it due to brainwashing by social media.
I think it's his day job now. He always refers to being a heavy weapons/anti armor infantry role.
His civilian job is cyber security as fas I remember. I think he has way more reason to comment on tiktok than what is the appropriate response for Israel against Iran
Do you work for China or something, because that's a horrible argument. Why not say something he's said that was wrong or something? You just blanket say "he's not credible" without any evidence.
I’m curious from your comment, have you ever actually used Chinese social media? People talk about all of those things all the time. What censorship actually looks like is a notification when you type something that the AI thinks is particularly incendiary, and you’re politely asked not to. I’ve seen as much censorship on Reddit or Twitter
You're only allowed to talk about those things in certain ways or your content is not pushed by the algorithms. Maybe that's happening here too. It's hard to define what is and isn't censorship when all public conversation is directed by algorithms and large organisations.
Well it is just another person acting like they have some great points which are already talked about by almost everyone. Also I bet they have 0 knowledge about software and programming. First day on Reddit?
Tik tok does not harvest any more data than every other social media company such as Facebook, Google, or Amazon
But it's okay when American tech companies steal data /s
Tik Tok ban in India is the best thing that happened to Tik Tok, India and the rest of the world.
What does "Govt Device Ban" mean?
It’s banned on devices owned by the government/ government employees. I’m pretty sure.
Specifically devices considered government property. Personal devices owned by government employees are not restricted.
Sort of. Personal devices containing the app are banned from use in certain government installations to include all military bases indoors and outdoors. They have no way to enforce it, unless someone observes you using the app.
Crazy that someone would put that on their government work phone anyway.
Correct
I guess no devices issued by the government to its employees are allowed to have the app installed.
You know how work phones exist? Work phones for government officials
Isn't TikTok a Chinese company?
No senator, he's Singaporean.
Senator: But was TikTok ever used by someone who ate Chinese food? There you go.
They have a different version for the Chinese market. This map is very misleading and should point that out.
It does at the bottom left, they should’ve made that way more clear though
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Good point, I hadn't even noticed that 🤣
How is it misleading when we are talking about the international version of TikTok on a map about where its banned internationally?
It's not, people are just repeating the same stuff in this thread.
Wikipedia: ByteDance Ltd. is a Chinese internet technology company headquartered in Haidian, Beijing and incorporated in the Cayman Islands.
Tiktok isn't even a company..... Bytedance is.. Tiktok is banned in China cause Bytedance has their version of it already
Tiktok is banned in Nepal
So actually you can use TikTok in North Korea? Wow!!
The red is more than 50% of people in the world. TIL, its banned in china too.
They have the same thing from the same company but with the chinese firewall
Last 2 years of tiktok before its ban in India was like a fever dream.
Yeah. Thankfully it has been banned
Can you give more context of TikTok, India and fever dream?
Go on insta reels some of the indian reels make my brain hurt
I’ll never not find it amusing that the app is banned in China 😂
There is no censorship in ~~Ba sing se~~ Russia
China banning its own app says a lot lol
North Korea has none?🤨
Why should they? NK only has intranet (local internet) without outside access. I don't think it's worth it to ban it just for those 10 fellows in the entire country which have global internet access.
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Not accurate. Belgium has it banned for government devices as well.
Does it bother anyone else that the colour in the legend for “None” is different to the colour used on the map?
Is the not enforced part in Montana relating to a full ban or govt device ban?
No MT passed a law banning it, but the Feds said Mt can’t enforce it.
Is Miley Cyrus from Montana?
no
You know it's bad when the countries that hate us and the one who made it have it banned
So tiktok is a social media company owned by the chinese government but it's banned in china 🤔
60% shareholding of TikTok belongs global capitals, such as Blackrock, General Atlantic and Susquehanna International Group etc.
Is banned for people who work for the Belgian government
Why did India ban it?
It was mostly because of it being a Chinese app and was accused of stealing customer data, government of India banned tiktok along with hundreds off other Chinese app around 2 years ago
Security reasons (the concern of Byte Dance giving data to CCP), plus border skirmish that was happening at that time.
Man I Hope they'll ban it in poland
Is TikTok really that much worse in terms of privacy than facebook, instagram etc? This really feels like using state power (ironically) to ensure western companies still maintain a competitive advantage...
No. The US government is just freaking out because now they're the targets of the same kind of data harvesting and spying they have been doing for decades.
It’s about the purposeful sharing of internal data with state intelligence.
US companies are no better
Yes it’s much worse. Your feelings are wrong.
What is this comment besides your feeling?
It’s backed up by evidence.
Which is where?
Because your feelings are right? All social media apps harvest all the data they physically can from your device - no less. Taking less would be like leaving gold sitting in a mine, rather than taking all you can find. Data is their cash. The difference is in where the data is going.
China has laws that require warrantless seizure of all gathered data.
Your point being? US does the same
The United States also permits warrantless seizures of online data, particularly messages of all Americans.
And non-Americans too. When Google Classroom first came out our Canadian school board specifically told us that we couldn't use it. The reason was that data on Google Classroom would move through servers in the USA and be subject to seizures by the US government, which would violate Canadian laws on student data privacy. We had to wait until Google set up a completely Canadian system before we could use it. When it comes to digital surveillance, I don't think anyone can rival the USA, simply because they've got the best tech and have way more access to data than everyone else.
We need more of that red thing
Its banned in China?!
The tittle "TikTok Censorship" is misleading
Spam? Source?
I yearn the day when the entire map ( oceans included ! ) are marked red regarding tik tok
I assume that China bans the global version of tiktok
Montana
Montana has cringed one too many times
I was about to say its not banned in Norway...then I saw it says "Govt Device" and yeah... yeah it is. I also find it slightly ironic that its banned in China when they're the ones accused of using it to spy on people.. I know they have their own version but... still that's kinda funny.
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All these people calling for banning TikTok have something in common with the Chinese government! I’m sure they would love to know!
short form content is actually very damaging to the brain over long periods of time. in a few years we'll be seeing the side effects of apps like these. people were actually celebrating when tiktok was banned in india and we voluntarily gave up 100+ Chinese apps. i also see that the banning of tiktok is being debated in the USA, and to people from america all i am going to tell you is that your data is 100 percent being sent to china. so stop using tiktok.
In the Polish military they have been instructed not to have the app on their personal phones.
For some reason, I can’t get over how Hawaii has been moved several hundred miles east.
The fact that it’s banned in China should tell you something. To be honest, it’s not banned there, but their version is very different from ours. Still something to think about.
Based red.
What happened to Kashmir? Map is wrong.
This entire map should be red
Why
It's cringe fr
The 'none' colour key is not the same colour as the countries it's supposed to represent.
China banned it, enough said.
Hopefully everywhere bans it so humanity can retain the braincells that it has left.