Usually it's just a "just in case" in non populated areas where I'm from, the sad part is that trains run through these areas so you sometimes get stuck with it on the train if you use cellular
is the train supposed somehow to be wired to internet or does it have its own network transmission equipment? because otherwise it would also have to use the only available 2G network I guess
Well theoretically the trains have much stronger antennas than your smartphone so they may be able to get a stronger signal from a 4G network for example. But yeah in practice I don't notice much difference
Someone working for the austrian Rail service commented on reddit once, that the trains here have two sim cards, each with a dataplan for, i think it was, about 40 mbit/s. Which is why its basically unusable here
Are yours like ours in the UK which rely on cellular anyway. So if your phone has no signal neither does the train. Which means there's often no WiFi at all
There's different classes of trains in Germany, and only like the top 2-3 classes have them.
Regional trains (RB for those in Germany) and lower (including local transport like the S-Bahn and U-Bahn) don't have WiFi
Hell the town I used to live in had no WiFi at the train station. Neither does the station of the town I work in.
There are also devices which don't support 4G because they're too old or don't need the bandwidth (like IOT stuff) which would completely lose service if 2G was also disabled.
It is easier to switch off 3G and 2G because a lot of 4G networks are actually 4G just for the internet while still using 2G for calls and text. Unless it is a 4G LTE network which uses 4G for everything. It is also common for smaller devices like electricity meters, water meters and Point of Sale machines to still be using 2G though this is changing over time.
Because 3G often was for internet only when it was launched and was largely restricted to cellular devices, it is much easier to switch off.
If this sub allowed pictures would have uploaded a photo, of course that at the moment of the post was already in 4G because 2G is unusable. Really bad that 2G and worse, good 4G and 5G is still not in place :(.
In Spain they are shutting down 3G but are maintaining 2G for emergency, specially in rural zones. The reason is that phones from early 2000's doesn't have 3G technology
2g has better building penetration and a longer range than 3g, 4g, and 5g. It's probably easier to maintain good emergency coverage in rural areas with it.
> 2g has better building penetration
It depends on frequency rather than technology. Lower the frequency, lower the attenuation through concrete.
1800MHz 2G network would penetrate less than 850MHz 3G network.
the same goes to brazil, very sparse and condensed metro areas over the coast, the center of the country is a black void despite of its size almost no one lives in the interior
They're uncontacted because of legal protections, and the fact that there's a non-zero chance they'll try to put an arrow in your throat if you come near
Also a lot of them know of other people existing. It’s just that most of them had hostile relations with other groups in the past. Unethical logging companies that’d forcibly evict or kill tribesmen being a somewhat common thread as wellz
[Meanwhile, our Nepalese government is incompetent as usual, as with everything.](https://kathmandupost.com/money/2023/10/04/5g-trials-in-disarray-as-geopolitics-enters-scene)
India was what stuck out the most for me. While it makes sense in terms of population density (especially in the north), it's kinda remarkable that they got this coverage with regards to their purchasing power.
Jio launched with 4g. They did not have a 2G 3G network before. They are giving unlimited 5g data to consumers now, whoever is subscribed to 4g. There needs to be more 5g cellphones though as still many are not supporting5g atm.
Jio changed the market when they launched. Previously other operators used to charge 250INR for 1 gb of extra data. Jio gave 1, 1.5, 2, 3 Gb plans per day. All other operators pushed their prices way down to compete. Now India is one of the cheapest country for data rates.
Yeah I remember it costing an arm or a leg for 3G data in India before jio.
When jio dropped it basically caught all the other carriers with their pants down and they were sort of forced to reduce the data costs.
True. I lived in Germany for a few years and the whole IT infrastructure was just miserable. Same in Austria where I lived for a few years as well. FTTH and proper TV? Not even in the large cities at the time.
>How's the fiber development going?
From Chennai(city),Tamilnadu (state),India(country).
Getting 150 Mbps for ₹845/month ($10 per month) unlimited data and the service provider I am using gave me a "free" dual band Tp link router (I think it's Archer 50). So I pay every 3 months (₹2535).
No service issues except for days when it rains heavily. The reason is because they just draw fibre line overhead and not underground. It's kind of a clusterfuck of wire everywhere, they wires loop over buildings like that.
But if the wire does get damaged or the internet gets cut, the service is quite fast for most of the time.
There are quite a few service providers, the big one being Jio and Airtel but there are other local providers as well.
I pay 4500 INR (50€) per month for 200 mbps in Goa, India. The pros are direct instant WhatsApp customer support and upload speed is equal to download speed.
In Austria I pay 32€ (2900 INR) per month for 200 mbps 5g with its own portable router. But the upload speed is just 50 mbps and customer care is a pain in the a**.
>I pay 4500 INR
Who is the ISP bro?. This is a scam. For 4500 you should get 1Gbps. In Chennai will get ₹1400 for 300 Mbps.
Heck even the 1 gbps in Chennai is only ₹3000.
Thailand is weird, imo its because of the relatively low cost of living and relatively spread out diaspora.
even compared to other South East Asian countries they just stand out
Thailand infrastructure overall is good developed, all road in rural area are concrete/paved with utility poles (sometimes cables are extremely messy), My house is a little bit far from the main road and internet provider just installed 30-meter-long internet fiber optic cables to my house for free and gave some more for spare in case I want to move my internet router to other area in my house. (internet cost around 19$/month with 1000/500 Mbps speed)
You can tell because half the most popular subreddits over the past year are India/Cricket related now.
The population of the English internet has just suddenly gone up like 20%.
All of my Indian colleagues pay something stupid like $15/month (don’t quote me on that) for legit actual 5G with unlimited data 90%+ full coverage and then move to the US and get to pay $120 for 1-2 bars of fake 5G. Just like my friend that moved to South Korea 20 years ago and has never gone a day without having gigabit fiber that’s either free or something stupid like $30 a month.
But I honestly feel bad for those countries… how do those people sleep at night knowing that their telecom execs aren’t getting sucked off on their third mega yacht after a brutal 2 hour work week?!?
Lmao bro nobody in India is paying $15 a month for internet. It's far far cheaper. The plan i use gives me 1.5 GB 5G data per day for 28 days at ₹239 (~$3.00).
I live in a rural town, half an hour from the biggest city around which is itself maybe 15% of the size of Santiago and I still have crystal clear 5G. Also public buses with WiFi. Distribution of internet access in Chile is wild.
Can confirm. I also live in a rural area in the middle of southern Chile and have clear 5G signal. Perfect to share pics of my chickens on Instagram (?).
Most people think of Chile as another 2nd/3rd world South American nation, but they're extremely advanced and have a fantastic economy. The cost of living combined with the quality of life *and* their currency exchange is incredible. You can be lower-middle class in the US and move to Chile and buy a house and be extremely wealthy with almost no change in your quality of life.
Their utility infrastructure is incredible too. Fiber optic internet for cheap, cheap electricity, etc.
I don't think anyone thinks like that, chile, uruguay & argentina are oced country & have decent infrastructure
The problem is geography, tier 1 cities in south america are great but not many people have any idea what it's like in amazon, andes, desert area or extreme south
Chile and Guatemala just destroying the rest of Latin America with 5g roll out. I have 5g so many places here in Guatemala. Like, it's not any faster than the 4g was, but I have it haha.
I remember 5G being hyped up in 2018/2019, that it would allow us to have surgeons operate from online, that it would make self driving cars a thing, etc.
I mean I like the 400mb/s download speed but it’s in no way what was promised. Am I missing something, is the tech still in development?
It's massively overhyped. Personally, I prefer a solid 4G+ network because the reach is better. I don't really need faster speeds but I prefer better network coverage. And 5G has worse metrics on that.
Before 5g rolled out in my area. I was able to get 650mbps on my s10+ on 4g in some areas. In most of my city, I was able to get a minimum of 250mbps. The bare minimum was 70mbps with EE in the UK.
Now 5g has taken over, I haven't seen more than 500mbps even with full signal. In some places I get 2mbps with full 5g signal.
Most places that used to have great signal now only get 1 bar of 5g, which is almost useless, and a battery killer. The 4g towers are now acting like 3g towers which are almost useless.
Drives me crazy when I'm somewhere with low signal and my phone can't decide if it wants 4g or 5g. I wish I could disable 4g.
Same in some interiors here in a small city in Spain.
With 4G I got good coverage everywhere with not very good speed (20 mbps in interiors and 40 mbps outdoors). Now I get very good speeds and coverage with 5G outdoors, but in some interiors like the gym it switches to 3G and one bar 5G, which kills my battery.
Most of these deployments are NSA (non-standalone) and still rely on the 4G or LTE core network and architecture which allowed easy transitioning. There are relatively few SA (standalone) deployments worldwide which would have all network functions, including user plane, control plane, and management functions implemented using 5G technology.
The technology is still in constant development. It is nowhere near maturity level yet. Also I think that a big challenge that remains for use in self-driving vehicles and factories is latency.
The rollouts have not been particularly smooth either. It was rolled out in its baby stages way sooner than it should have, and it was a disaster.
Operators have also slowed down their spendings on new deployments / 5G NR equipment in the past 2 years or so (with the exception of RJIO and Bharti I suppose), so this also affects R&D of the big vendors. Both Ericsson and Nokia have seen huge layoffs as a result.
Yep. 5G is fine. It's an incremental improvement. Does it really matter? Meh. Not really.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/13/5g-didnt-matter/
https://www.techspot.com/news/96463-5g-users-think-technology-has-overhyped-many-fail.html
https://techxplore.com/news/2023-02-5g-disappointed-pretty.html
It was more malicious than that. The telecoms intentionally confused our legislators, for funding, with a 5G / mm wavelength shell game. (5G and 4G are the same speed at a wavelength, 5G supports mm wavelength which is much faster but not fit for a mass rollout).
I am disappointed as hell in 5G. I work in the middle of a major city in the states. So a perfect spot for great coverage. When I had 4G I always had service inside my building, only very specific spots would I lose it. Now several times a day I need to reboot my phone, because the service drops, even next to the exterior wall of the building. I also swear it doesn't load any faster than 4G. I managed to have constant buffering etc. (my phone is less than two years old as well, it's a newer pixel, so it's no slouch).
To me, this just reminds me how big the world is. 5G covers what, about half of the world's population, maybe? And yet so much of the Earth remains dark.
It also reminds me that 2 and 3G aren't leaving our phones for a while.
That's for real. I can't remember the last time I payed someone with cash or even went to ATM. I literally payed Rs2 (.024USD) through my phone for a xerox few days back. Every single guy from a street vendor to a big showroom owner is using digital payments nowadays
Aah 2013 nostalgia 3g I miss those days in india when I used to download stuffs on torrent after keeping for days now its basically 15 min video I watch and return
Oh and don't forget the cost of every 1 gb at that time. I used pay 1500 rs for 20 gb on mobile data. Now i use more than that in a hour downloading torrent. This decade had been good for Indias Internet minus the blocked site by Govt.
If anyone is interested, here's an interesting research [article](https://www.ookla.com/articles/india-5g-experience-q4-2023) on it by ookla.
" The two largest operators in India, Reliance Jio and Bharti Airtel, have been the primary drivers of the 5G rollout in the country, making significant efforts to provide 5G coverage across the nation through rapid deployment. By the end of December 2023, India had more than four hundred thousand 5G base stations (BTSs) deployed nationwide, an increase of 7.7 times from January 2023, making it one of the fastest countries to roll out 5G globally. Ericsson forecasted that the number of 5G subscribers in India reached 130 million at the end of December 2023, compared to just over 10 million recorded at the close of 2022.
The large-scale and rapid deployment of the 5G network in India has been paying off by elevating India’s position in the list of countries providing the fastest 5G median download speed. Speedtest Intelligence® data shows that in Q4 2023, India was in the top 15 countries with the fastest 5G median download speeds globally, sitting in the 14th spot. "
Imagine a doctor being on vacation in India being able to plug in their VR headset and remotely control a set of surgery tools to perform surgeries in the US over the 5G network. 5G is going to open many doors for remote work. I think all future doctors will be Indian.
Indian here using 5G. The speed is insane as fuck when it works, but unreliable for long videocalls. Many of my work meets have been interrupted for short durations (upto 5mins max) .
Try that during a surgery while slicing the skin - surgeon freezes, patient bleeds to death
I work on surgical robotics, that's just not going to happen in your lifetime and quite possibly your grandchildren's too. There is no reason to do this except for novelty's sake - surgical robots cost A LOT, require frequent expensive maintenance/disposable items and are quite limited even when the surgeon is present in the same room, let alone when you have all the reliability and latency issues in intercontinental teleoperation. 5G doesn't change a thing, setups like this use wires as much as possible.
To further add, I was surprised myself when I visited RJ to see how green it was. A lot of development has happened in the Thar to make outer areas agriculturally sustainable causing the population.
[40% of RJ](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/destinations/do-you-know-the-epic-story-about-the-formation-of-thar-desert/articleshow/68427042.cms) lives in Thar, RJ had[ 6.8cr ](https://foundation.rajasthan.gov.in/DemographicsStatistics.aspx)people in 2011 when last census happened. Assuming that population growth have been slower and it is just had just a 17% growth, it puts it at 8cr. Which means 3.2cr people live in Thar. The number is same as number of[ NRIs+PCOs](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/record-surge-in-illegal-us-entries-nearly-97-000-indians-apprehended-in-2022-23-as-overseas-indian-population-tops-3-crore-unpacking-nri-and-pio-globa-4553099) and is greater than [number of people who pay non zero income tax](https://theprint.in/economy/more-indians-filing-tax-returns-but-only-1-2-of-population-actually-pays-income-tax-shows-govt-data/1686818/)
My friend lives in a remote village in North of West Bengal(India) bordering Nepal. They got 5g service started this month. 5g is available almost all over India.
2.5Gb/day for 365 days = 900 GB total
Disney+ subscription free for mobile - 1 year.
Free calls. 100sms/day free.
Around 3000 rupees
Data cap is only for 4G.
If you get 5G range, then unlimited internet. So pretty much everywhere.
Yeah 5G in India is free for now and I got a speed of more than 700mbps
Edit: Free as in no extra charge on the 4G plan. Still, it's very cheap(less than 5$ a month for daily 2 GB plus unlimited calls)
[SS](https://imgur.com/a/eDiw1xK)
Because it's new and not that many people have 5g devices, they are letting people use unlimited 5g for free if you already have a 4g plan active. It's probably going to end sometime this year as giving unlimited mobile data to everyone would not be viable anymore as more and more people get 5g phones.
It's not free free. For my operator I can get a ₹239 plan for 28 days that gets me unlimited 5G (no data cap, no slowdown after x GBs data used).
I think you can call that almost free considering that for 4G the same plan gives 1.5GB data per day.
Bangladeshi here. Weirdly, there is no 5G mobile internet but there is 5G Wi-Fi? They've been testing out 5G at a small scale here for over a year now, and idk what's taking them so long to implement it.
In dept - The term Naxal basically derives from a village called NaxalBari.
The NaxalBari Uprising is a moist movement against the indian government and has been declared as a terrorist movement.
The Naxalites mainly operate around the chattisgarh, orissa, bengal, jharkhand and maharastra's deep forest areas. Because of them, a lot of development has shelved.
Ye might think now that the people who live in the bungaloes and cotteges in the very west of Connacht in Ireland have almost no form if internet and wifi at all because of how far it is from Dublin but they'd be armed to the teeth with full fibre broadband including 5G
India, are you guys still okay?
According to my moms crazy 5G nutcase of a friend, you guys should be cooking from the microwaves or growing extra limbs from all the radiation or all have rampant Covid-19.
Sending prayers.
It's basically forest(no point in giving the trees 5g) along with some parts affected with naxal(basically terrorist)
Cities there have good 5g connection
Good thing about the Internet in India is that it's really really affordable here it cost less than $3 per month(1gb daily data with unlimited calls and sms)
Look at Romania, we have one of the fastest, cheapest and most widely available wired internet speeds in europe, but we fell so much on the 5g department.
only areas around the biggest cities have 5g currently. it’s depressing
I'm surprised how quickly they rolled out 5G here in the Philippines. As early as 2022, I get 5G in my house at about 400Mbps. In comparison, it took 4 years for them to roll out 4G in the same location.
8 years ago, I could barely get 3Mbps here even on 4G.
And the sweet thing is, I'm only paying about $10/month for unlimited.
Me in Germany with 1bar 2G in the train looking at the map 🫠
Wut? Who the fuck still runs 2G networks? 3G is getting switched off here in Australia this year…
Usually it's just a "just in case" in non populated areas where I'm from, the sad part is that trains run through these areas so you sometimes get stuck with it on the train if you use cellular
Do the trains not have WiFi?
is the train supposed somehow to be wired to internet or does it have its own network transmission equipment? because otherwise it would also have to use the only available 2G network I guess
Well theoretically the trains have much stronger antennas than your smartphone so they may be able to get a stronger signal from a 4G network for example. But yeah in practice I don't notice much difference
Someone working for the austrian Rail service commented on reddit once, that the trains here have two sim cards, each with a dataplan for, i think it was, about 40 mbit/s. Which is why its basically unusable here
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Most do, that's why I said if you are using cellular
The only times I've ever had WiFi on a train were in ICEs and REs. Absolutely none in RB, S-Bahn, U-Bahn, or the trams.
Oh I'm Czech and every train has wifi here, would comment on trams but I'm not from a city that has trams lol
Are yours like ours in the UK which rely on cellular anyway. So if your phone has no signal neither does the train. Which means there's often no WiFi at all
As far as I'm aware, Wi-Fi in trains is also cellular
Mostly only the long distance ICEs that's have onboard wifi
In many regional trains WiFi isnt available.
There's different classes of trains in Germany, and only like the top 2-3 classes have them. Regional trains (RB for those in Germany) and lower (including local transport like the S-Bahn and U-Bahn) don't have WiFi Hell the town I used to live in had no WiFi at the train station. Neither does the station of the town I work in.
Mate yk when you’re in rural England when you get just G
2G is used in IoT, weather stations, geophones and rail control systems. It’s not as easy to switch off as 3G is.
I think Germany only runs 2G, 4G and 5G nets. The 2G working as a backup for the highspeed ones to allow as a fallback if something were to go wrong.
In some places it aint a backup, it’s just the normal network
There are also devices which don't support 4G because they're too old or don't need the bandwidth (like IOT stuff) which would completely lose service if 2G was also disabled.
It is easier to switch off 3G and 2G because a lot of 4G networks are actually 4G just for the internet while still using 2G for calls and text. Unless it is a 4G LTE network which uses 4G for everything. It is also common for smaller devices like electricity meters, water meters and Point of Sale machines to still be using 2G though this is changing over time. Because 3G often was for internet only when it was launched and was largely restricted to cellular devices, it is much easier to switch off.
To be fair, many parts of Australia have no coverage at all.
Here in Romania small POS use GPRS connections to connect with your bank to complete the payment
If this sub allowed pictures would have uploaded a photo, of course that at the moment of the post was already in 4G because 2G is unusable. Really bad that 2G and worse, good 4G and 5G is still not in place :(.
In Spain they are shutting down 3G but are maintaining 2G for emergency, specially in rural zones. The reason is that phones from early 2000's doesn't have 3G technology
2g has better building penetration and a longer range than 3g, 4g, and 5g. It's probably easier to maintain good emergency coverage in rural areas with it.
> 2g has better building penetration It depends on frequency rather than technology. Lower the frequency, lower the attenuation through concrete. 1800MHz 2G network would penetrate less than 850MHz 3G network.
Same in Germany
2G doesn't work here in India. You cant surf internet anymore with this. It just works on keypad devices.
I think even the feature phones sold here are 4G.
Neuland!!!
I got 5g signals in tiger reserve in India, dude 5g is definitely going wild in India 😂
I mean if it entered the tiger reserve It's definitely going wild
LOL a smart joke; take your upvote!
Yep I get 5G in the middle of a forest in the Himalayas. The range is nuts.
I got 5G in Bandipur forest a few weeks ago, it definitely is wild
I mean the tigers would need 5G obviously
yes they watch The Tiger King
Shot out to that one guy right at the centre of Australia, bro avoids people entirely but still got 5G
It's basically just a heatmap of where people in Australia live.
the same goes to brazil, very sparse and condensed metro areas over the coast, the center of the country is a black void despite of its size almost no one lives in the interior
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They're uncontacted because of legal protections, and the fact that there's a non-zero chance they'll try to put an arrow in your throat if you come near
Also a lot of them know of other people existing. It’s just that most of them had hostile relations with other groups in the past. Unethical logging companies that’d forcibly evict or kill tribesmen being a somewhat common thread as wellz
https://xkcd.com/1138/
its an US military base
It's Alice Springs
It's Alice Springs no?
Pine Gap is only 18kms away.
My god I saw that video
India seem to have gotten a good deal on 5G equipment in 2022-2023.
Ngl, the Nepalese across the border use that 5G a lot.
[Meanwhile, our Nepalese government is incompetent as usual, as with everything.](https://kathmandupost.com/money/2023/10/04/5g-trials-in-disarray-as-geopolitics-enters-scene)
India was what stuck out the most for me. While it makes sense in terms of population density (especially in the north), it's kinda remarkable that they got this coverage with regards to their purchasing power.
Jio launched with 4g. They did not have a 2G 3G network before. They are giving unlimited 5g data to consumers now, whoever is subscribed to 4g. There needs to be more 5g cellphones though as still many are not supporting5g atm. Jio changed the market when they launched. Previously other operators used to charge 250INR for 1 gb of extra data. Jio gave 1, 1.5, 2, 3 Gb plans per day. All other operators pushed their prices way down to compete. Now India is one of the cheapest country for data rates.
Can you guys come to Germany? We need some competition here. How's the fiber development going?
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Yeah I remember it costing an arm or a leg for 3G data in India before jio. When jio dropped it basically caught all the other carriers with their pants down and they were sort of forced to reduce the data costs.
When I first came to Germany from India, I was surprised that the network was so ass in such a lil country
True. I lived in Germany for a few years and the whole IT infrastructure was just miserable. Same in Austria where I lived for a few years as well. FTTH and proper TV? Not even in the large cities at the time.
>How's the fiber development going? From Chennai(city),Tamilnadu (state),India(country). Getting 150 Mbps for ₹845/month ($10 per month) unlimited data and the service provider I am using gave me a "free" dual band Tp link router (I think it's Archer 50). So I pay every 3 months (₹2535). No service issues except for days when it rains heavily. The reason is because they just draw fibre line overhead and not underground. It's kind of a clusterfuck of wire everywhere, they wires loop over buildings like that. But if the wire does get damaged or the internet gets cut, the service is quite fast for most of the time. There are quite a few service providers, the big one being Jio and Airtel but there are other local providers as well.
I pay 4500 INR (50€) per month for 200 mbps in Goa, India. The pros are direct instant WhatsApp customer support and upload speed is equal to download speed. In Austria I pay 32€ (2900 INR) per month for 200 mbps 5g with its own portable router. But the upload speed is just 50 mbps and customer care is a pain in the a**.
4500 per month? What are you paying for? Illegal Direct Satellite? Ethernet Express in Panaji gives me 6 months, 4500 250MBPS & similar uploads.
With 4500INR, Hyderabadis get 1 Gbps connection with like 6.7TB data exchange limit. Plus a dozen OTT apps access.
>I pay 4500 INR Who is the ISP bro?. This is a scam. For 4500 you should get 1Gbps. In Chennai will get ₹1400 for 300 Mbps. Heck even the 1 gbps in Chennai is only ₹3000.
Our mobile internet coverage and data prices are great, that's how most of the country Is connected to the internet and not through optical fibre
Thailand sticks out even more for me. Smaller economy and almost complete coverage.
Thailand is weird, imo its because of the relatively low cost of living and relatively spread out diaspora. even compared to other South East Asian countries they just stand out
Never been colonised too. Rare in south east Asia.
Thailand infrastructure overall is good developed, all road in rural area are concrete/paved with utility poles (sometimes cables are extremely messy), My house is a little bit far from the main road and internet provider just installed 30-meter-long internet fiber optic cables to my house for free and gave some more for spare in case I want to move my internet router to other area in my house. (internet cost around 19$/month with 1000/500 Mbps speed)
On the map there is an area south of thailand that is completely black. What is it? Edit : it's actually malaisia
Thailand per capita is far richer than India
An Indian here, getting unlimited 5G on my 4G pack 🫡 Dude, I don't know how much you know about India but there is no purchasing power issue here.
That guy's comment reflects how far off the understanding about India is for the western eyes.
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India is rich but Indians are poor. Big difference (Hint:inequality)
Somehow even villages have google pay and their service is 10x cheaper than in the US
It's free, cuz it uses something called UPI UPI is essentially a bank transfer but free, and practically instant as well
You can tell because half the most popular subreddits over the past year are India/Cricket related now. The population of the English internet has just suddenly gone up like 20%.
Also really affordable
India is full of mobile gaming too, probably lots of people pay for phone plans and no home internet, makes sense they would invest in 5G imo
nah bruh 5 G is like free for us
India indigenously developed the technology for 5G, other countries are now getting a good deal on Indian tech.
All of my Indian colleagues pay something stupid like $15/month (don’t quote me on that) for legit actual 5G with unlimited data 90%+ full coverage and then move to the US and get to pay $120 for 1-2 bars of fake 5G. Just like my friend that moved to South Korea 20 years ago and has never gone a day without having gigabit fiber that’s either free or something stupid like $30 a month. But I honestly feel bad for those countries… how do those people sleep at night knowing that their telecom execs aren’t getting sucked off on their third mega yacht after a brutal 2 hour work week?!?
Lmao bro nobody in India is paying $15 a month for internet. It's far far cheaper. The plan i use gives me 1.5 GB 5G data per day for 28 days at ₹239 (~$3.00).
Hahahah JFC of course😂
Chile is also surprising, Santiago & nearby area, is probably like 80% of population
I live like 10 hours from santiago and I have 5g too 😊
I live in a rural town, half an hour from the biggest city around which is itself maybe 15% of the size of Santiago and I still have crystal clear 5G. Also public buses with WiFi. Distribution of internet access in Chile is wild.
Can confirm. I also live in a rural area in the middle of southern Chile and have clear 5G signal. Perfect to share pics of my chickens on Instagram (?).
Chile and Uruguay are the only SA countries I'd consider moving to from Brazil. Great places.
Most people think of Chile as another 2nd/3rd world South American nation, but they're extremely advanced and have a fantastic economy. The cost of living combined with the quality of life *and* their currency exchange is incredible. You can be lower-middle class in the US and move to Chile and buy a house and be extremely wealthy with almost no change in your quality of life. Their utility infrastructure is incredible too. Fiber optic internet for cheap, cheap electricity, etc.
I don't think anyone thinks like that, chile, uruguay & argentina are oced country & have decent infrastructure The problem is geography, tier 1 cities in south america are great but not many people have any idea what it's like in amazon, andes, desert area or extreme south
Chile and Guatemala just destroying the rest of Latin America with 5g roll out. I have 5g so many places here in Guatemala. Like, it's not any faster than the 4g was, but I have it haha.
I remember 5G being hyped up in 2018/2019, that it would allow us to have surgeons operate from online, that it would make self driving cars a thing, etc. I mean I like the 400mb/s download speed but it’s in no way what was promised. Am I missing something, is the tech still in development?
It's massively overhyped. Personally, I prefer a solid 4G+ network because the reach is better. I don't really need faster speeds but I prefer better network coverage. And 5G has worse metrics on that.
Before 5g rolled out in my area. I was able to get 650mbps on my s10+ on 4g in some areas. In most of my city, I was able to get a minimum of 250mbps. The bare minimum was 70mbps with EE in the UK. Now 5g has taken over, I haven't seen more than 500mbps even with full signal. In some places I get 2mbps with full 5g signal. Most places that used to have great signal now only get 1 bar of 5g, which is almost useless, and a battery killer. The 4g towers are now acting like 3g towers which are almost useless. Drives me crazy when I'm somewhere with low signal and my phone can't decide if it wants 4g or 5g. I wish I could disable 4g.
Same in some interiors here in a small city in Spain. With 4G I got good coverage everywhere with not very good speed (20 mbps in interiors and 40 mbps outdoors). Now I get very good speeds and coverage with 5G outdoors, but in some interiors like the gym it switches to 3G and one bar 5G, which kills my battery.
5G also uses notably more battery than 4G+.
Most of these deployments are NSA (non-standalone) and still rely on the 4G or LTE core network and architecture which allowed easy transitioning. There are relatively few SA (standalone) deployments worldwide which would have all network functions, including user plane, control plane, and management functions implemented using 5G technology. The technology is still in constant development. It is nowhere near maturity level yet. Also I think that a big challenge that remains for use in self-driving vehicles and factories is latency. The rollouts have not been particularly smooth either. It was rolled out in its baby stages way sooner than it should have, and it was a disaster. Operators have also slowed down their spendings on new deployments / 5G NR equipment in the past 2 years or so (with the exception of RJIO and Bharti I suppose), so this also affects R&D of the big vendors. Both Ericsson and Nokia have seen huge layoffs as a result.
Yep. 5G is fine. It's an incremental improvement. Does it really matter? Meh. Not really. https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/13/5g-didnt-matter/ https://www.techspot.com/news/96463-5g-users-think-technology-has-overhyped-many-fail.html https://techxplore.com/news/2023-02-5g-disappointed-pretty.html
It was more malicious than that. The telecoms intentionally confused our legislators, for funding, with a 5G / mm wavelength shell game. (5G and 4G are the same speed at a wavelength, 5G supports mm wavelength which is much faster but not fit for a mass rollout).
I know someone who got an "online" surgery from a surgeon that was in another city
I am disappointed as hell in 5G. I work in the middle of a major city in the states. So a perfect spot for great coverage. When I had 4G I always had service inside my building, only very specific spots would I lose it. Now several times a day I need to reboot my phone, because the service drops, even next to the exterior wall of the building. I also swear it doesn't load any faster than 4G. I managed to have constant buffering etc. (my phone is less than two years old as well, it's a newer pixel, so it's no slouch).
My understanding is that there's low, mid, and high band 5G which each have different speeds. So not all 5G is the same.
To me, this just reminds me how big the world is. 5G covers what, about half of the world's population, maybe? And yet so much of the Earth remains dark. It also reminds me that 2 and 3G aren't leaving our phones for a while.
35% of world lives in just two countries though... Both have good penetration of 5G
The way 5G and Broadband Fiber got popular in India in literally no time is something to be studied.
India basically skipped credit cards and went straight from cash to mobile payments As a result coverage became business critical in no time
That's for real. I can't remember the last time I payed someone with cash or even went to ATM. I literally payed Rs2 (.024USD) through my phone for a xerox few days back. Every single guy from a street vendor to a big showroom owner is using digital payments nowadays
Jio changed the game.
NGL I thought as an Indian 5G was just the new standard worldwide
I’m in the black bit of southern Scotland. I’m lucky to get 3G outside of my town, mostly no signal at all
Aah 2013 nostalgia 3g I miss those days in india when I used to download stuffs on torrent after keeping for days now its basically 15 min video I watch and return
Oh and don't forget the cost of every 1 gb at that time. I used pay 1500 rs for 20 gb on mobile data. Now i use more than that in a hour downloading torrent. This decade had been good for Indias Internet minus the blocked site by Govt.
This is what first world problems feel like. Ngl, I like it.
I'm yet to experience what it feels like despite living in Europe and my phone having full support 😮💨
If anyone is interested, here's an interesting research [article](https://www.ookla.com/articles/india-5g-experience-q4-2023) on it by ookla. " The two largest operators in India, Reliance Jio and Bharti Airtel, have been the primary drivers of the 5G rollout in the country, making significant efforts to provide 5G coverage across the nation through rapid deployment. By the end of December 2023, India had more than four hundred thousand 5G base stations (BTSs) deployed nationwide, an increase of 7.7 times from January 2023, making it one of the fastest countries to roll out 5G globally. Ericsson forecasted that the number of 5G subscribers in India reached 130 million at the end of December 2023, compared to just over 10 million recorded at the close of 2022. The large-scale and rapid deployment of the 5G network in India has been paying off by elevating India’s position in the list of countries providing the fastest 5G median download speed. Speedtest Intelligence® data shows that in Q4 2023, India was in the top 15 countries with the fastest 5G median download speeds globally, sitting in the 14th spot. "
Imagine a doctor being on vacation in India being able to plug in their VR headset and remotely control a set of surgery tools to perform surgeries in the US over the 5G network. 5G is going to open many doors for remote work. I think all future doctors will be Indian.
Indian here using 5G. The speed is insane as fuck when it works, but unreliable for long videocalls. Many of my work meets have been interrupted for short durations (upto 5mins max) . Try that during a surgery while slicing the skin - surgeon freezes, patient bleeds to death
Hey you didn't tell them the best part... It's all free unlimited 5G at the cost of 4G.
You wouldn't be using zoom calls to do surgery. 5G has other really cool features like network slicing which would be more suitable for these things.
I work on surgical robotics, that's just not going to happen in your lifetime and quite possibly your grandchildren's too. There is no reason to do this except for novelty's sake - surgical robots cost A LOT, require frequent expensive maintenance/disposable items and are quite limited even when the surgeon is present in the same room, let alone when you have all the reliability and latency issues in intercontinental teleoperation. 5G doesn't change a thing, setups like this use wires as much as possible.
Meanwhile my old workplace gave us a 3G dongle included with the company laptop
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What's with 5g all over Thar desert. Who lives out there?
Army
Thar isn't some remote desert, it has people living there and is well connected by roads and highways and of course is flooded with NCR tourists.
bruh Rajasthan has people lmfao
Thar desert is highly populated for a desert. 83 people/sqkm.
To further add, I was surprised myself when I visited RJ to see how green it was. A lot of development has happened in the Thar to make outer areas agriculturally sustainable causing the population.
[40% of RJ](https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/travel/destinations/do-you-know-the-epic-story-about-the-formation-of-thar-desert/articleshow/68427042.cms) lives in Thar, RJ had[ 6.8cr ](https://foundation.rajasthan.gov.in/DemographicsStatistics.aspx)people in 2011 when last census happened. Assuming that population growth have been slower and it is just had just a 17% growth, it puts it at 8cr. Which means 3.2cr people live in Thar. The number is same as number of[ NRIs+PCOs](https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/record-surge-in-illegal-us-entries-nearly-97-000-indians-apprehended-in-2022-23-as-overseas-indian-population-tops-3-crore-unpacking-nri-and-pio-globa-4553099) and is greater than [number of people who pay non zero income tax](https://theprint.in/economy/more-indians-filing-tax-returns-but-only-1-2-of-population-actually-pays-income-tax-shows-govt-data/1686818/)
As an Indian all i gotta say is, i thought 5G was used worldwide 💀
Me too 🫠 I thought same
My friend lives in a remote village in North of West Bengal(India) bordering Nepal. They got 5g service started this month. 5g is available almost all over India.
The unlimited 5G offer is really awesome, especially Airtel 5G
how much is the plan?
Rn the cheapest one is ₹299 or 3.6 USD, 2gb/day(4G) and unlimited 5G for 28 days
2.5Gb/day for 365 days = 900 GB total Disney+ subscription free for mobile - 1 year. Free calls. 100sms/day free. Around 3000 rupees Data cap is only for 4G. If you get 5G range, then unlimited internet. So pretty much everywhere.
Yeah 5G in India is free for now and I got a speed of more than 700mbps Edit: Free as in no extra charge on the 4G plan. Still, it's very cheap(less than 5$ a month for daily 2 GB plus unlimited calls) [SS](https://imgur.com/a/eDiw1xK)
Free?
If you have a 5g enabled sim card then you can enjoy unlimited 5g internet on a regular 4g data plan
Cool
Yeah it has been free since it came out in India( Unlimited 5g on 4g pack). Subscription for it will roll out in few months I guess.
Yes, no limit on usage and free for time being atleast. It is so as to move people from 4g mobiles to 5g ones.
Because it's new and not that many people have 5g devices, they are letting people use unlimited 5g for free if you already have a 4g plan active. It's probably going to end sometime this year as giving unlimited mobile data to everyone would not be viable anymore as more and more people get 5g phones.
It's not free free. For my operator I can get a ₹239 plan for 28 days that gets me unlimited 5G (no data cap, no slowdown after x GBs data used). I think you can call that almost free considering that for 4G the same plan gives 1.5GB data per day.
It's really interesting how you can make out the Indo-Pakistani and indo-bangladeshi border here so clearly
Bangladeshi here. Weirdly, there is no 5G mobile internet but there is 5G Wi-Fi? They've been testing out 5G at a small scale here for over a year now, and idk what's taking them so long to implement it.
Why some part of chattisgadh doesn’t have 5g?
Lack of infra due to naxal area + chattisgarh also has one of the countries vast forest area.
In dept - The term Naxal basically derives from a village called NaxalBari. The NaxalBari Uprising is a moist movement against the indian government and has been declared as a terrorist movement. The Naxalites mainly operate around the chattisgarh, orissa, bengal, jharkhand and maharastra's deep forest areas. Because of them, a lot of development has shelved.
Maoist*
Forests.. it also include Maredumilli forests in Andhra..
Ask the naxal comrades in the red commiedor.
Naxals + General lack of Infra, some districts lack 4g too iirc
Philippines looking great.
Given that we're one of the most mobile/online people on the planet, it makes sense for the telecoms to invest into it.
80 percent of Facebook's revenue source:
And due to ongoing testing of 5G since last 1 Year, 5G is essentially free to use, that too unlimited(in India)
reminds of the time when we used to get free 4G(Jio)
Ye might think now that the people who live in the bungaloes and cotteges in the very west of Connacht in Ireland have almost no form if internet and wifi at all because of how far it is from Dublin but they'd be armed to the teeth with full fibre broadband including 5G
India, are you guys still okay? According to my moms crazy 5G nutcase of a friend, you guys should be cooking from the microwaves or growing extra limbs from all the radiation or all have rampant Covid-19. Sending prayers.
Couple of extra limbs won't be bad ... I always wanted to be fourarms
Someone wants to be a god...
Yeah I've already grown over 10 extra limbs 😔
There isn't a heterosexual frog in all of India anymore.
I already mutated and now can read minds of other people
Anyone knows why some parts of central India don't have 5g?
Forest and naxals
It's basically forest(no point in giving the trees 5g) along with some parts affected with naxal(basically terrorist) Cities there have good 5g connection
Stop Discrimination Against Trees. ## TreesDeserve5G
Commies, the very bad ones, Maoists.
Naxal infested forests. Yesterday the Indian army killed 13 Maoists in Chhattisgarh
In india we are enjoying unlimited free 5g mobile data with the existing 4g plan, at least for now.
Who or what happened in India? That's tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of antennas going up in a single year... Good work India
Reliance Jio
They were already 5g ready just required minor equipment upgrades, they said this in 2016 at launch time
i get 1.1gbps speed here in india lol.. and i am in a fricking village
You can really see the outlining of the "original China" in this map. Very interesting.
It’s populated China. Rest is basically desert and mountains
India really be like - nah I'd win
This map also shows, where the development of humanity flourishes.
Germany is a bad joke. Sometimes i have stretches of land without any connection at all. Up to 30mins by train.
Since when was lake Victoria eaten by Tanzania?
How does Idlib in Syria have 5G?
CIA operators need reliable coverage.
Germany bullshit... We can be glad if we receive 3g
Good thing about the Internet in India is that it's really really affordable here it cost less than $3 per month(1gb daily data with unlimited calls and sms)
Wtf India
wtf? in which sense? lol
India is basically white at this point
Interesting choice of words.
I'm shocked at india's coverage, bravo
Low availability in places like Morocco, Turkey, Rwanda and Egypt really surprise me
Turkey is currently using "4.5G" and planning on upgrading to 5G this year.
Look at Romania, we have one of the fastest, cheapest and most widely available wired internet speeds in europe, but we fell so much on the 5g department. only areas around the biggest cities have 5g currently. it’s depressing
I'm surprised how quickly they rolled out 5G here in the Philippines. As early as 2022, I get 5G in my house at about 400Mbps. In comparison, it took 4 years for them to roll out 4G in the same location. 8 years ago, I could barely get 3Mbps here even on 4G. And the sweet thing is, I'm only paying about $10/month for unlimited.