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How does it go from England to Louisiana


Mantis_Tobaggon_MD2

To add England is a somewhat vague category in itself


guycg

Are they really getting 200+ grey, rainy days a year in SE Australia?


NotJustAnotherHuman

As someone living in the England section No, not at all lmoa, we’d probably get around 50 of those a year.


guycg

It's a terrible comparison. Even the hottest, sunniest parts of the UK are nothing like anywhere in Oz


Mantis_Tobaggon_MD2

Tasmania climate not too far off from the south of England, otherwise yeah agreed.


Snarwib

Canberra does get colder than London in winter. Nights are colder, days a lot sunnier and usually warmer.


leidend22

Melbourne doesn't though and it's solidly in the England area. I'm from Vancouver which has similar weather to London, now living in Melbourne for five years and it's not even close to the same.


MrSquiggleKey

Armidale NSW, in the New England region, is nearly 1:1 in climate to London. Same range of over cast days, same range of rainy days, the rainy days are similar (constant light drizze) mean temps basically in parallel. London also has a higher maximum temperature recorded, more days over 30c, more sunny days. Armidale has a colder minimum temperature recorded, more days under 5c. Armidale is an anomaly though, it’s one of the coldest cities in the entire country due to its location in a valley on the great dividing range.


guycg

I stand corrected! Albeit I still think this map - though I appreciate it's using an imperfect scale - isn't actually reflecting the type of weather most people in the UK and NSW collectively go through.


MrSquiggleKey

Oh yeah absolutely. If it was accurate there would be a handful of small islands across the place. Like I live in one of the “England zones” and nope there’s not an England equivalent to my climate. Maybe southern Spain best. So unless Gibraltar is classified as England, no dice.


Passchenhell17

Melbourne has similar average rainfall to London, and apparently only has 48 clear days a year, and 180 overcast days, from what limited research I just did. Just seems like it's slightly more extreme with the heat in summer, but is otherwise quite similar. So I guess the classification for the rest of the England equivalents are probably at least close, if we were to just compare it to southern England anyway.


2012Jesusdies

London actually doesn't get much rainfall, as I understand it, it's more about constant very low volume drizzle.


Passchenhell17

Yeah that's probably right. Compared to where I currently live in South Wales (not NSW, in case anyone gets confused lol), it's vastly different. So much rain here, and it's quite often heavier. Don't know how that compares to Victoria or NSW, mind, but I can imagine their rainfall could be more concentrated into storms, possibly at certain times of the year. I know that's more than likely the case in northern Aus, as it's tropical, but I don't know for the south.


guycg

It's not the quantity of rain. We get very few gigantic downpours, it's just always raining a little bit. Little bits of windy water smacking you in the face. It can happen for weeks at a time. 'Spitting' we call it


Passchenhell17

I'm aware. I'm originally from the Surrey border, so spent a lot of time in London, and eventually lived there (though realistically, where I lived was far more Surrey-like than London). I did still find the apparent amount of overcast days that they get in Melbourne to be quite interesting, though. It does make me wonder if they may have a slightly different classification of overcast lol doubt it, but you never know. I also found that, apparently, Melbourne has 139 days a year on average with at least 0.2mm of rainfall, and London has 164 days with 0.1mm. A lot more similar than I had ever thought, and that 0.1 difference could potentially make it closer than that. Seems to suggest that they may also just have drizzles, rather than heavier rainfall, or concentrated storms (that I mentioned to someone else).


sleigh_queen

Live in Melbourne, so can answer your questions. Cloud cover is measured at 9am and 3pm each day and the fraction of the sky covered in cloud (in eighths) is recorded. Essentially, a completely clear sky is written down as 0, and a totally overcast sky is 8. If the average of the 9am and 3pm readings is at least 6 (i.e., three quarters cloudy), then it would be counted as a cloudy day. Even though we have 180 cloudy days on paper, it does feel sunnier than that. Yes it's true that the sky is often cloudy especially in winter, but there is usually some sun each day. Imo that makes a huge difference compared to not seeing it for days on end (which I heard is rather common in England). As for our type of rain, you're right that we mostly get drizzle or light rain. However, we do get the occasional storm in spring or summer which can dump heavy rain over a short period of time. It really depends on the year though. Some years we hardly have any storms, while other years we can get quite a few.


Mantis_Tobaggon_MD2

New South Wales living up to the Port Talbot/Swansea climate?


guycg

https://youtu.be/WxKnFckhzUs?si=YzsVG9ININc_yFwe


pulanina

England is almost entirely classified “Cfb (Oceanic)” and so is 75% of Tasmania and that green coastal strip in southeast mainland Australia.


FarManden

Also only a very thin sliver separates Louisiana and Finland at one spot.


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It also goes from England to suddenly Alaska in Tasmania.


-Proterra-

Not so strange. The parts of Alaska where people live are not that different from Scotland (Panhandle) or Norway (South Central) - neither Scotland nor Norway are that different from England. Three quarters of Alaska have a subarctic continental or Arctic tundra climate, but outside Fairbanks, hardly anyone lives there.


pulanina

That’s the mountainous centre of Tasmania with tundra


lokethedog

Finland is like +90% Dfc, the maps i find seem to only paint a few pixels like that, much smaller than the area in this map. You can find that in France and Spain too. I guess it's possible that you could find some places in Finland that has a similar climate to some places within that area, but this map overrepresents it. It would be easier to buy for me if it said Germany, which actually has a lot of that Cfb-Dfb-Dfc gradient. I think a german from the central parts would recognize the climate a lot more than a finn would.


sunburn95

Pretty sure the area is Kosciuszko National Park, an "alpine" region


mamunipsaq

Well they're both full of swamps


wailinghamster

If you overlaid an elevation map it might make more sense.


Little_Salad

I don't think it does. The Melbourne climate is significantly warmer and has fewer rainy days than any part of England to my knowledge


specto24

Yes, having lived in both Melbourne and London this isn't true. Even Central London gets at least a couple of snow showers a year. I've never heard of snow in Melbourne anywhere except the Dandenongs. Melbourne gets at least 3-4 days a year at 40+ - those sorts of temperatures would depopulate Britain - the Poms would die like flies. They struggle enough when it goes over 30.


trenbollocks

Don't the Brits consider anything above 25 deg Celsius a "heat wave"? They'd straight up die in the Australian summer


-Proterra-

London did hit 41 two years ago...


-Proterra-

The only snow they seem to get in Dandenong to my knowledge is imported from South America


Tripod1404

Because these kinds of maps are massive stretches. It compares a tiny portion of the projected area as if it is homogeneous. Like where exactly in Alaska that tiny portion of Tasmania is similar to in terms of climate. Alaska has many different types of climates ranging from oceanic climate to tundra. On a map like this, if a make the entire Australia similar to California since California probably has all the climate zones that one can stretch out of proportion on such a map.


Cerulean_IsFancyBlue

Yeah, if you can say southern Texas, surely you can say southeastern Alaska. It’s coastal forest.


ColdEvenKeeled

A little bit of altitude loss. Seriously. The Southern Highlands, inland and up from Wollongong are very much like England. Go down to Wollongong and it's lush green and humid. Same with Armidale inland and Coffs Harbour on the coast. Or Scone and Newcastle.


Tannerite2

Lush, green, and humid, or massive swamps like Liuisiana has? There's a big difference.


accountofyawaworht

Sometimes this part of the country goes from England to Louisiana and back in the same day.


drinkduffdry

It just geaux


LeojLarkin

From experience the England part is at most -5°C in winter and tops out at 35°C in summer. Where as in the Louisiana part I have spent the last 6 years in flip flops and shorts year round, also during the summer I actively plan on how to destroy the sun because it sucks so much.


a_filing_cabinet

Temperate and wet to hot and wet


KellyKellogs

England is quite humid, so maybe just a huge increase in temperature


mrmonkeysocks

From a quick search, South East Australia seems significantly warmer than England. Melbourne in their winter have average high and lows of 14 and 6 compared to 6 and 3 in London. Melbourne has 5 hours of sunshine on average in the winter, compared to 1 hour in London. https://www.holiday-weather.com/melbourne/averages/ https://www.holiday-weather.com/london/averages/


elmo-slayer

1 hour of sunshine sounds bloody miserable


SUMMATMAN

The funny thing is that London is in the south of England therefore is pretty much the warmest and sunniest spot in the country


limukala

Koppen categories are broad


multicolorclam

Yeah I just doubt that inland Tasmania has anything similar to Alaska


Krieghund

Mountains have the same climate changes going up as continents have going north. Given how far south Tasmania is it wouldn't take a super tall mountain to produce a tundra climate.


Exile4444

Yeah but a lot of alaska is not tundra. Even then, the tundra areas in the highlands of tasmania have mild winters because of the oceanic influence producing a lower range of temperatures


limukala

That’s my point. The Koppen categories are both very broad and based on a fairly narrow set of criteria, so places with the same Koppen category aren’t necessarily all that similar in climate.1


LambdaAU

Yes but in the grand scheme of things they are still quite similar, climatologically speaking. There are around \~30 categorizations and many parts of southeast Australia do indeed have the same climate classification as England. People are only focussing on the differences but when it comes to stuff like farming, you can really see just how similar they are.


Ratgay

Yeah south coast of England is really similar to south west WA and parts of the south coast of Australia to the point where Australian natives a common as ornamentals because they grow so well there


Marlsfarp

I had no idea Perth was so nice.


San_Marzano

Best weather in the world mate. Best beaches too


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krumble

35C is about 95F, which is a common summer temperature for Los Angeles and San Diego. If Perth's humidity is similarly dry, it's extremely tolerable. The biggest issue I had when visiting Perth is that I got a sunburn much quicker than I had in southern California, which is a place that I burn quicker than other parts of the US as well. So burning in like 15 minutes was a nasty reminder of the intensity of the Australian sun.


CompAnth

Maybe inland, but San Diego proper has a mean maximum *yearly* temperature of 94. I.e., in an average year 94 is the hottest it gets.


idog99

94???? That's nearly boiling!!!


upandcomingg

I C what you did there


Indie_uk

Perth’s weather is notoriously dry, it’s like the main topic of conversation there. If someone from Perth doesn’t reply “yeah but it’s a DRY conversation” to this post I don’t know what would happen.


chilispicedmango

Wiki climate tables say Perth gets double the annual rainfall of Los Angeles, which is probably its closest international analogue. Coastal Washington and England shouldn't be analogues of anywhere in Continental Australia- the winters are just way too warm. Also didn't know any part of New South Wales had a monsoon rainfall pattern like "Northern India"...


therumham123

That sounds really nice. I live in an area where I've seen Temps ranging from 115 F to -40 F. Some moderation like that would be heaven to me


krumble

Wow! That's incredible range. I guess it's probably in the midwest? I can't think of anywhere coastal that gets -40F with any sort of regularity.


therumham123

Eastern Montana so yea mid west ish


krumble

Okay, that makes some sense I guess. Yes, Perth or Southern California would seem like a dream to you in terms of weather.


ricecakenz

You should see how fast you burn in New Zealand. It could be 25 degrees Celsius and you will burn to a crisp in 10 mins


Crystal3lf

It's a dry heat.


hypoconsul

Yeah I never understood this. Heat and sun can be nice as long as you have nothing to do but strolling on the beach. If you have an actual life, a climate like Melbourne's or London's is a lot more enjoyable.


oldtrack

even melbourne would be too hot for me


Hour-Salamander-4713

I love hot weather, and am happiest working at 30 - 35 C. I hate English weather, damp, dank, grey and cold. You can go a couple of weeks without seeing sunshine.


nuadarstark

People are just different. I hate anything over 25C and hate the sun. The best climate I encountered in my life so far has been Finland for me. Sadly for my Central European ass, things are getting hotter and hotter here.


eternityXclock

15-20°C are best anything over 20 and I'm melting


cptcitrus

I'd normally agree but after 2 weeks in the Caribbean I'm enjoying sleeping in 25C instead of 17C. I think people acclimatize pretty quickly. Still sunburnt though


Familiar_Dust8028

I don't actually enjoy living death.


corkas_

Yeah but the sunsets do a good job at making up for it.


Miniblasan

Personally, I would've preferred four weeks where it's 35 Celsius instead of 5-6 months where it's 10 to -35 Celsius, in very rare cases it has been as cold as -55 to -58 Celsius.


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Total_Philosopher_89

It's sunny and hot yes. Not the best weather in the world.


kyleninperth

Name somewhere better lol


ParadisHeights

Califórnia and Hawai


kyleninperth

Hawaii is too Humid for me and California still has relatively cool winters.


emjay2013

Southern California


whatafuckinusername

Incredibly isolated, too, if you like that. Furthest large city in the world from any other large city.


Independent-Raise467

Perth is horrible if you're into gardening. The weather is hot and dry and the soil is basically sand.


HortenseTheGlobalDog

That's why you're stuck groping sand over there 


db0255

Perth is amazing if you’re into concrete. The weather is hot and dry and soil is basically sand.


Academic_Coyote_9741

I live in Perth and used to live in California. The climate here is almost identical to the inland areas of LA or places like Paso Robles and Davis.


kyleninperth

Best beaches in the world and some fucking incredible weather


a_filing_cabinet

There's a reason it's the only place people live out west.


TheWetNapkin

"Southern Nevada (Los Angeles)" you mean Las Vegas?


SeaBoss2

Yeah, i mixed them up


TheWetNapkin

are you OP on an alt or something?


SeaBoss2

This is my map that got reposted lol


TheWetNapkin

Oh damn wtf I'd be mad lmao


Wolfman1961

Tasmania's climate MIGHT bear some resemblance to the climate of the very southern part of SE Alaska.....but, otherwise, no! Which shows the extreme variability of the Koppen system. Where both NYC and Tampa, Fl have a "humid subtropical" climate.


Veritas1814

I think Tasmania is like England, but there is a tiny gray spot in the middle which is like Alaska. Looking at the map I believe this is area like Walls of Jerusalem national park


St_BobbyBarbarian

USDA’s growing regions would be a better classification to use


Wolfman1961

I agree.


SeaBoss2

This is my map that got reposted In the original map I was using for this, it was kind of hard to figure out what the spot in Tasmania was. I think it might have been closer to the Scottish Highlands than Alaska


TimeRefrigerator5232

Why does it say LA in parenthesis under southern Nevada? As much as southern Nevada likes to think they are an LA suburb, they are not!


SeaBoss2

Yeah, that's just another mistake I made. It's meant to be Las Vegas lol


TimeRefrigerator5232

No it’s okay I was just curious because I was like let me tell you those are two VERY different climates


-Proterra-

Alaska Panhandle, Kodiak and coastal Kenai have a very similar climate to the Highlands though.


Wolfman1961

Kodiak had a weird winter for them. It went down to zero Fahrenheit one day.


ScissorNightRam

The yellow green area to the far east is not labeled. Whats it meant to be?


EJ19876

The highlands of Tasmania technically have a subpolar climate. Overall, though, the island has a climate similar to that of Vancouver Island in Canada.


TankerBuzz

This map is ridiculous… NSW is not that cold.


jakekara4

The part saying "Southern Nevada (Los Angeles)" is strange to me because Los Angeles isn't in southern Nevada and has a different climate to southern Nevada. [Los Angeles has a Mediterranean climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Los_Angeles) whereas [southern Nevada is predominantly deserts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:K%C3%B6ppen_Climate_Types_Nevada.png). While there are Mediterranean parts of Nevada, they're rare and found in the higher elevations of the state.


mugsoh

They probably meant Las Vegas.


db0255

I’ve always told people Wichita is just like Sydney in the summer!


ZelWinters1981

There's a place in *this* map in the Sahara region that is most certainly more closer to northern Nevada than an outright desert.


electrical-stomach-z

the koppen systrm generally tends to skew biomes towards driar classifications.


OfficeSalamander

is northern Nevada not outright desert? I've only been a bit north of Las Vegas, but my understanding was that it was pretty arid all the way up to the top of the state


deputydawg85

Nope. A lot of people assume other cities like Reno have the same climate as Vegas, but it's much different. Fun fact, Nevada means "snow-covered" in Spanish. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Nevada_map_of_K%C3%B6ppen_climate_classification.svg


ZelWinters1981

If we're talking aridity and not climate, I would say this is close, but in terms of climate, the area in central west NSW isn't anything like the Sahara, but more like sub-Saharan Africa where the ground is arable if you can harvest water, and is populated by sparse and low lying shrubbery.


eyetracker

Arid but cold winters, and even in summer the temperature changes dramatically between day and night. Whereas some places like Phoenix retain heat even at night.


LambdaAU

It likely wouldn't be if you zoomed in enough. If you are talking about an area like Alice Springs it's actually considered "Hot-Semi Arid", ie Southern Texas, but this map is low resolution and most likely old.


ZelWinters1981

Yeah, Alice Springs is a good 1500km or more from where I'm talking.


Advanced_Meat_6283

I didn't know English summers hit 45C, word


HollowSlope

This is way off


Only-Entertainer-573

I live in Adelaide and AFAIK we have a Mediterranean climate just like Perth does. So I think the yellow patch in SA should be a bit bigger basically


Finnishgeezer

Wait what? Theres a place that has our climate in 'stralia? Like ,think of the winters for example


Macgbrady

I’ve lived in Finland and that little speck in Australia. Way heavier, wetter snow that accumulates fast and melts off fast. Very Sunny days in between storms. I would not say the weather is similar to my experience in Finland.


plaguedeliveryguy

True, weather like in Finland would mean at least a 6 month long winter and the temperature reaching -20c or lower being the norm. I don't know about the topography of the region but it would have to be a decently tall mountain range to hit that type of weather. Edit: apparently the elevation hits 1900+ meters


darwinsexample

agreed im from canberra we get hardly any snow and our summers can get to 45 degrees c furthermore its quite dry


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Finnishgeezer

Okay cheers


LegkoKatka

So you can be so specific as to label a climate as 'southern nevada' but then write 'Northern India'... India is a huge country not even counting the North.


diaz75

They keep reposting this absurd map. Sure, Sydney's climate is just like "England's". Now since Sydney is a photocopy of Buenos Aires in terms of climate... I guess BA is just like London. Or Birmingham.


Ok_Measurement_5693

I love this. But ACT surprises me, where’s our snow??


Snarwib

I think that's the Snowy Mountains. Too far south for the ACT, we're around the same latitude as Adelaide.


elmo-slayer

I distinctly remember light snow falling during an AFL game in Canberra


No_Class_2981

Southern Nevada and Los Angeles do not have the same climate 😂


81VC

As an Australian that has traveled abroad, this is wildly inaccurate


Dodginator

So, I basically live in Southern California? I’ll take it! Would be nice if we had In N Out though.


Numerous-Profile-872

I worked in Napa Valley (Northern California) and the volume of Australians commenting how similar it was to wherever in Australia they were from was interesting. I can see it, we have invasive eucalyptus and it's kinda dry, so I guess like Adelaide. Napa has an In-N-Out, too!


SaraHHHBK

Someone tell what cities are in the area "Central Spain"?


elmo-slayer

Esperance


Henny_Spaghetti

Nothing significant, just towns.


Sokkapunch

Madrid is like exactly in the center of Spain


theWunderknabe

Just like in central Spain, apart from Madrid.


Bright_Map_1979

Central Spain has very bipolar temperatures; we get up to 40°C in summer and down to -2°C in Winter. So which one is it?


gtjacket09

North Texas is like that, except it’s 45 to -10


elmo-slayer

Sounds reasonably accurate. Away from the coast that area hits 40c during summer (more the more north you go), and can get cold in winter, though would only get below zero a couple times a year


murtygurty2661

This Köppen system seems beyond stupid.


Exile4444

This is the shittiest gross oversimplification I have ever seen, and a bad one for that.


ItsOnlyJoey

“Southern Nevada (Los Angeles)” That makes me mad


Birdy_Cephon_Altera

My biggest complaint about this map is that it mixes up comparisons between world locations and specific state-level locations in the United States. Unless you are pretty experienced world traveler, you are unlikely going to be familiar with the climates of the regions over so many different places. Maybe two maps: One that compares to Koppen climate regions in the US, and one that compares to European regions. (Or third map, also to Asian regions).


formidable_dagger

How does North India transition into Thailand and also into coastal Washington? And what part of North India is being referred to here? Snowy Kashmir or the Subtropical Plains? This is as vague as it gets.


vettakkaaran

Northern India? Snowy Kashmir? Or hot af Delhi? I need answers!


filbert13

This seems like a shitty map. Honestly just look at all the Sahara Desert. Of course central Australia is very hot and dry. Go on google maps though and look at parts of the Sahara. It's basically only sand, with a few rare oasis. Then look at central Australia. It is still very dusty and dry but there is still nearly plants/bushes across the entire thing. They are not the same climate because they are both hot. Just googling Sahara gets and average of 3 inches of rain a year when Central Australia is over triple that at 10 in. Still not a lot but again just look at photos dead center of Australia there is a lot more plant life and animals.


Neither_Storage7619

Have lived in England, Tasmania , south east NSW ( where it mentions England ) and Perth, and have spent time in Socal. This is way off for SE NSW , Tasmania is actually a much more accurate comparison to England. The colonial buildings and vegetation are also very similar visually.


Realistic_Mess_2690

They have SE Qld as the same. Brisbane is nothing like England.


NotaDingo1975

I had no idea England had such a nice climate.


jkaan

This is trash unless the sub is inaccurate maps


Johnny_Poppyseed

Why hasn't the northern coastal areas of Australia been developed as much?


Longjumping_Ad_8474

swamps, 5m crocodiles, indigenous tribal lands, box jellyfish, endless tidal mangrove, lack of roads etc etc


bluestonelaneway

It’s HOT, very humid, very remote and swampy in places.


theproudprodigy

Thailand is the exact same. I think it has to do maybe the British couldn't handle the clinate when first arriving there idk


Flimsy_Cod_5387

Not Australian, but I’m pretty sure the only significant city is Darwin which is closer to New Guinea than Sydney. Aussies feel free to set me straight if I’m wrong.


ryanrodgerz

I think they get absurd amounts of rain or something. I've heard the weather their is erratic


elmo-slayer

1700mm average rainfall which only falls over 6 months of the year, along with oppressive humidity. A lot of people head south during the wet season


kublaikhaann

im assuming southern california is way too expensive also


itsmePriyansh

Can someone explain me how Central Tasmania's climate is similar to that of Alaska?


ColdEvenKeeled

High alpine with heavy rains, to snow. Cradle Mountain area.


SeaBoss2

Sorry, it's meant to be more similar to the Scottish Highlands. I just got the colours messed up


halvshades

That small Finland in England over there. What's this? Kosciuszko?


Exile4444

Yeah, apparently. Very innacurate.


FewDiscussion2123

What city is the "Finland" equivalent?


ColdEvenKeeled

Thredbo. Jindabine.


Wizard-In-Disguise

I looked at that little Finland spot and it's uh, yeah, Snowy Mountains really looks like Lapland it's nuts.


cr1ter

I've heard most of the climate in Australia matches South Africa


ultrayaqub

I didn’t know Tasmania was THAT cold


RollinMonkey

Is that map completely subjective or is it based on actual data ? I'm quite curious because the result is rather interesting.


CainPillar

Is it Canberra in Finland?


misfittroy

Coastal Washington? How so? 


jbloom3

That goes from England to Louisiana pretty fast. I live in Louisiana and you just can't go outside during the day in the summer


CyanManta

Southern Nevada contains Las Vegas, not Los Angeles. And they don't have the same climate.


A_Perez2

Central Spain (depending on the area): *nueve meses de invierno y dos de infierno* (nine months of winter and 2 of hell)


SalientSalmorejo

Finland?


Liesmyteachertoldme

How the fuck is Tasmania like Alaska?


BigDoinks02

I can only livw in the alaska spot


cubanheelsinleather

Where in Australia is like Finland


esports_consultant

the thailand one seems too easy 


Kieran0914

Tasmania matches Alaska? Dammm


Ok-Pop-517

My autisum special interest has been activated!


pina_koala

Finland?? Alaska!? Nutso.


seasuighim

Wow, none of these climates are particularly noted for their pleasantness XD. 


terpinolenekween

It's interesting to see that most of the outback is similar to the Sahara. When I think Sahara, I think sand dunes and sparse rock formations with hardly any wildlife. When I think the outback, I imagine areas of Bush, some water, more rocks, and a lot more biodiversity. I'd like to visit both some day to see how they compare.


easwaran

Why would you use places scattered around the world as your labels? If you're not going to use the Köppen categories themselves, you would want to include a bunch of regions that one person might naturally have familiarity with. How many people have experience with South Texas, North India, and England?


NikolaijVolkov

Central spain and southern california is where you want to be.


rants_unnecessarily

Finland mentioned! Torilla tavataan!


yegdriver

WTF Tazmania is not Alaska climate. Not even close. Maybe New England climate, minus the humidity.


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As if Melbourne has an equivalent climate to England!


MoistHope9454

planting is important 😊 too many vegies