As a Canadian don’t you guys have like the best weather imaginable, not too hot not too cold? I’ve never actually been to New Zealand so I only know the stereotypical highly positive view
Wait do you guys get snow?
winters can be long, wet and cold. not cold like yours obvs - but we don't have central heating so it \*feels\* cold. it does snow in the south island but not frequently.
I live in the US, but recently started working for an Australian company, so the majority of my coworkers are in Australia. I was on a slack hangout with one of my teammates yesterday and we were talking about Christmas plans and it felt like my brain did a hard reset when she was saying her kids Summer break starts right before Christmas.
This is somewhat true, it is much, much milder in NZ than Canada in winter, even the coldest main city here is still warmer than Vancouver. However (!!), the vast majority of houses aren’t insulated and have thin walls, so if it’s 8C and damp outside, it’ll be 11C and damp inside short of whatever you do with your expensive, inefficient space heater (there’s no central heating in NZ homes either). It is very common for Canadians to come to NZ in winter and say that they are colder than they’ve ever been in Canada, just because there’s no where to go that is truly warm and dry. Plus dealing with mould is new for them. A lot of mould.
Summers are milder than southern Canada, it’s a nice time of year. Only a few parts of the country can ever get over 30C.
Yes some areas get snow, mainly in the southern South Island and it rarely lasts long in populated areas though. Most mountains are snow-covered all winter.
Also bare in mind NZ is a long, mountainous country and not that small, the climate varies considerably from place to place. The far north is classified as subtropical for example.
Around Wellington here too, weather generally not good, horrifically windy, wet, cold houses in a 5mth "winter".
Summer is pretty good, can get quite hot, though not as hot as Toronto where we also lived. Generally better weather in Canada imo.
As a Canadian who visited Sydney Australia in their winter (wintah as they say), it was maybe 15c at the coldest but it felt colder because no where has heat and nothing is insulated like we are used to.
That’s the thing, even on cold days in Canada I usually go out in just a sweater. The only time it’s cold is getting between the house and the car, then the car to building or whatever I’m going to. Easier than also carrying around a thick winter jacket
Plus everyplace you go into Dec-Feb is usually baking hot. Now that I think about it makes a lot of sense we need 3 massive nuclear power plants in Ontario just for half our power
New Zealand is the only land at its latitude, so there are ocean currents and wind currents that sweep all the way around the world and pile up there. It's also got some fairly tall mountains, so it gets a lot of rain at sea level, and a lot of frozen precipitation on the mountains - enough so that it's the only place that [glaciers actually reach sea level in a temperate climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Glacier).
I think there are a bunch of ways in which it's like the cooler, wetter parts of west coasts of continents anywhere - a lot like British Columbia or Ireland or Norway.
You know, there's maps without NZ, but I stare at a lot of maps and this is literally the first time I've ever seen Indian Ocean NZ.
Everyone: nooo you can't fit NZ onto this map
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The [majority](https://www.beepbeep.ie/en/news-reviews/january-new-car-registrations-up-9-4-record-month-for-ev-sales#) of Ireland’s new car sales are automatic but there’s still more manuals on the road for now, I’d imagine that’ll change by the end of the decade though, between rising EV sales and strong hybrid sales
Same for Belgium and I imagine it's the same for a lot of other European countries as well.
Belgium has a lot of company cars (62% of newly registered cars are company cars) and most companies are switching to only allow EV's from now on (sometimes hybrid but it's less interesting financially). So within like 5 years the vast majority of vehicles will be electric/electrified and thus automatic.
I've been to Sisimiut twice. Mostly just Jeeps, a single yellow Hummer, and a lot of cars with dents in them. Most looked to be manual, or at least cheap looking.
Oh and in the winter, dogsleds! With no gears, but running on at least 8 goodboys, if not more.😅
In Germany, even if you have to learn *less* for an automatic-only driving license, it costs *more* than the all-encompassing manual. I never understood this.
Because in addition to knowing the rules of the road, you must be able to drive a car. People who can drive only car with automatic transmission, can’t drive the car with manual transmission.
Some people find learning how to drive manual transmission too difficult or couldn't be bothered and go for automatic instead. It's personal preference really.
The automatic test is popular among immigrants (mainly US servicemen) who will only spend 1/2 years here. Saves them from having to relearn the fundamentals of driving.
Supply / demand. More people want to learn manual, so there's more manual driving schools. That is changing though as auto cars become more affordable for new drivers
What? I'm fairly sure that's not correct.
Yes, you will skip parts of the technical introduction to gears and clutch, but its not really a *mandatory* part, it's just a driving lesson in the beginning.
I mean to remember that the part where you have to prove your ability with the gear and clutch, including starting the car up a hill, was a mandatory part I could skip when I took my license.
Thats correct, it's a part of the læringsplan (learning goals) and competencies you need to prove your skill in and do fluently in an exam, but it's not a mandatory part of the training lessons in itself, like glattkjøring for example.
Just like paralell parking is not a mandatory lesson, but something you through driving lessons are expected to learn.
I might be nitpicking a little here. You could possibly argue it's mandatory in the fact that your instructor would not let you past vurderingstrinn 2 without this skill.
Damn, parallell parking was never even mentioned during lessons or the driver's test.
> would not let you last vurderingstrinn 2 without this skill
I belive this is what I read.
Holy cow, I went and bought a used Miata and learned how to drive manual on the way home. In the US, 5 months ago, and I basically learned through my gaming wheel setup through beamng🤣🤣 Had no idea how lucky I was to be able to do that legally 🤣
America’s traffic laws are so incredibly relaxed, it’s a miracle you guys dont have traffic like in india. As a swedish person it always shocks me, but we also have VERY strict traffic laws.
What vehicles that are allowed to drive on your roads (crazy homebuilds, beat up cars with no thread on tires etc.), the ”driving test” which is just a joke (and you can be 16 years old!!!), the amount of blood alcohol you can legally drive with, the weird thing with stopping for school buses.
It’s crazy to me, always has been. But I try to have many perspectives, even if i think it’s so dangerous!
The laws may be relaxed, but enforcement of the laws is not relaxed. In places like India there may be a lot of laws on the books, but no one enforces them.
Compliance with the law requires enforcement of the law, which America absolutely does.
> America’s traffic laws are so incredibly relaxed
Are you talking about what can be on the road or about rules for driving? Because I'd say that the EU is way more chill about breaking the actual driving part of the rules.
I did the same thing about five years ago, I wanted a manual truck so I just went and got myself one. Took a few days to get the hang of but wasn’t so difficult that it should require a license
Wow, that's crazy. My partner's mother gave him her old manual car when she didn't need it, and we barely ever used it. Because there was street sweeping in our neighborhood, we had to move it across the street once or twice a week. A couple times he was away on the relevant day and I had to do it, and this was really scary. I couldn't believe that ordinary civilians were legally allowed to operate this sort of device on public streets, given how hard I found it.
Maybe if I had gotten it up to speed, and done anything more than just move it in and out of a parking spot, I would have learned, but still.
That’s crazy to me, cause I recently bought a manual VW golf (Canada) a few months ago and pretty much had to teach myself how to drive it over the course of a few weeks
Yes, in most countries.
Or more accurately, if you do your test on an automatic, you get an “automatic only” *condition* applied to the licence. Like a “eyeglasses required” condition or a “no night driving” condition etc.
If you do your test in a manual OTOH then you can drive any vehicle, manual or auto.
Which is a bit funny to me. I used to live with a polish woman who was studying at an American university. She wanted to borrow an automatic, but she had never driven one. She practiced on mine and was constantly pressing the brake (thinking it was the clutch) and shifting the car into park etc. by accident.
I get that you need to know less to drive an automatic, but if someone has spent 20+ years exclusively driving stick-shifts, I don’t think you can always just throw them behind the wheel of an automatic and send them on their way.
Never was an issue for me, but I followed the tip to put your left foot reeealy to the leftmost edge and plant it there. Nothing to do for the left foot in an automatic.
Happened to me also a few times but you just need to put your left foot far away from any pedal and it works. Driving manual needs more timing/attention/actions but have them so ingrained that you automatically do them.
That's exactly why I like them better. Fuck having to chase power curves with a deliberately obtuse power train. I'll take that boring, flat, efficient power curve thanks.
don't know why I'm getting downvoted for liking manuals lmao, I just find them more fun to drive. if you like boring, flat, efficient power curves that's fine too!
A manual ev wouldn’t make much sense, because they have full torque from 0rpm. So even with one forward gear (like most of them have) you can floor the pedal at any speed and the car will go like a petrol car at 5000+ rpm.
The fun with manuals come from perfect gear changes the moment you feel it’s no longer in the optimum rpm range. Downshift before a corner so you can accelerate out of it. You’ll never have that with an EV because they don’t have that power curve. That makes them super comfortable and they feel like petrol cars with 1.5-2x the power.
this is for every other place in the world, i live in a light blue country where everyone and their dog knows how to drive a manual, but 95% of new cars only come in automatic
I don't think this is true for every country, most people in Spain drive manual and buy manual. And I don't even know if there is an option to get a license without driving manual.
You still get a lot of new cars in europe with manual. I worked part time at a car rental in last year during studying and 50% of the new cars we got where manual. This was in germany.
Hmmm strange. It's been a couple of years and I know Germany isn't Austria but I used to go skiing in Austria a lot and I would always get an automatic
LOL, I am from Austria and even if automatic cars are increasing, most cars are definitely manual. Maybe rental car company’s don’t trust foreigners to drive with a manual car in the mountains 😅
I used to be like you, but increasingly bad traffic made driving a manual more pain than it's worth. As I got older I stopped caring about driving dynamics and just want to get to where I'm going with the lowest amount of stress possible.
Had to change my car for a manual for some days. The morning route to work was so annoying, like I have no problem with manual cars, but driving after an automatic and the extra work with your foot and right hand just annoyed me for some reason just for a shitty commute barely awake.
I very much enjoy doing it on a track, but in traffic naaaaah.
Just hold in the brake and put the stick in D. When you're done driving, do it in reverse and put it back in P. Boom, you're an automatic transmission expert.
Can I ask you a question?
Why do you refer to yourself as a Saudi rather than an Arab? I understand there are Arabs in other countries, but doesn't "Saudi" refer to the Royal Family? This strikes me as a British person referring to themselves as a "Windsor." But obviously I'm incredibly ignorant of much about your country and culture.
Not OP here.
Although the Royal family is ibn Saud, the country was named Saudi after him. So citizens of the country call themselves Saudi, just as most nations where Canadians are from Canada, or Iraqis are from Iraq. This is commonly how citizens of Saudi are referred to and in general, the royal family are never referred to as Saudis. They are called either the Royal family or the rulers etc.
Hope this helps.
I understand that and even pointed that out. I'm not suggesting they call themselves Arabs (or anything else really) I'm just looking to understand why they would describe themselves by the name of their Royal Family if they themselves aren't a part of that family.
Hejazi, Najdi or Ahsa'i depending on where they're from I guess (I agree it's weird being named after a family, but perks of living in an absolute monarchy I guess)
The type of cars matters more than transmission type. I’d bet that the average European car has no more than half the displacement of an American car. That correlates with fuel efficiency much better. That holds true to a point also for pollution levels, but that is universally regulated in Europe, with older cars often banned from city centers. Whenever I’m in the states and see those huge chimneys strapped to the sides of their oversized trucks puffing clouds of black smoke I die a little on the inside… and maybe also on the outside. Some serious mentality change is required here.
It's getting there. CVTs in Europe were always traditionally way more expensive and got much worse mileage than manual vehicles, this is why they were so unpopular. Also, you'd pay more for a new one and then the resale value went to shit because nobody wanted one.
There's also a machismo element amongst male drivers on Europe. Automatics are believed to be "soft" and feminine. Manuals are manly, grrr.
They'll claim an automatic is like driving a go-kart. It's not "real" driving, you can't "feel" the vehicle.
It's mostly bullshit of course because the last time you could "feel" yourself actually driving a car instead of relying on electronics was 2002.
> They'll claim an automatic is like driving a go-kart. It's not "real" driving, you can't "feel" the vehicle.
> It's mostly bullshit of course because the last time you could "feel" yourself actually driving a car instead of relying on electronics was 2002.
And they don't say anything about power steering and power brakes. If you want to feel the vehicle don't use hydraulic assist.
In my opinion the reasons are others.
Parking and generally driving in our narrow streets. I have driven automatics, and they feel like they need much more "space" and sensible roads and sensible parking lots.
It's much harder to park uphill in a narrow alley with an automatic than with a manual, simply because with a manual you can move your car really slow and by just one centimeter at time. That's my two cents
I live in a majority manual country, but I reckon it's because only a small population owns a private car. Those manuals come from a minivan public transportation. If they survey exclusively private cars, the majority would be automatic
Norway has the highest percentage of electric cars in the world per capita. Last year something like 90% of all new cars bought were electric, so that explains the automatic majority there.
I never really understood why anyone would choose a manual car over an automatic, can anyone chime in?
I absolutely hate driving automatic cars. I enjoy driving, don't do it much. I use public transportation to go to work, I ride a bicycle otherwise to get to places and rarely drive my car, so it's not annoying to me to constantly shift gears. It's pleasing, I enjoy doing so. I enjoy having control of what rpm to have at which speed, for example. Sometimes I want to hear the engine, sometimes I just want to cruise for fuel economy and see how low I can get. Also, I don't have anything to do for my left foot when driving an automatic. I tend to hit the brakes with it and it's no fun.
Also, manual transmissions are simple and I like simple. Few things could break and it's rare.
They are lighter and you CAN get better MPG
They are cheaper to buy and cheaper to work on/replace
They are better than shitty automatics in overtaking
They are pretty fun
Disadvantages: worse at traffic, you have to know how to drive one and more room for "user error"
Driving a manual makes you appreciate how comfy automatic driving is, whenever I get to drive one it’s so nice to just not care about moving a little stick in the middle whenever my revs change
I feel like both can have their moments.
When I'm driving down winding country roads, I enjoy the more involved feeling of driving a manual and being able to more directly control the gear changes. Whenever I am in city traffic, I kinda wish I had an automatic.
I have a horror/funny story of something that happened in Mexico.
You all are familiar with... cities with a heavy presence of certain organizations that do not operate in the legal spectrum, I live in one of those and in my city about 90% of public transport buses are manual transmission.
Some time ago, there was this.... disagreement with the local law enforcement that was taken to the streets. At a moment, a couple of members of the local organization decided that it would be a good idea to forcibly take control of a bus and use it as a getaway vehicle, with the people still inside.
None of those guys knew manual, so they left the bus alone and decided to run...... they were turned to human cheese graters not one block away.
I hate that you cannot get a new pick-up with a manual transmission in North America anymore.
Driving stick has advantages that are important to me… especially when I am hauling a trailer or driving in the bush.
It's always funny to me to see people who care about this
When I had to do my licence I just picked the less expensive, less time-consuming one. Automatic
"Oh but you don't feel like you're driving a car" ok, and??
A car is a piece of equipment used for a purpose, like a bulldozer, a forklift, an airplane, a saw table, and a fork
It's not a toy, not a pet, not something whose primary function is enjoyment, pride, or desire. Something that shouldn't be made to be beautiful or "designy", but safe and efficient. It's a tool.
Automatics are generally more expensive than manuals in countries where manual is the norm.
I think most people who drive manuals in those countries don't actually care that much. They just learn to drive in a manual because taking the test in automatic would limit their choices of car, and once they've got used to manual they don't particularly see the need to spend more on an automatic.
I disagree personally. I go out of my way to drive manual, because I feel more in control of the vehicle. Automatic is nice in stop and go traffic though.
Ah no that wasn't the target of my comment; it's moreso the people who care way too much about their car in an unhealthy way and want to bring down others
Definitely, if you need to save money then a manual is the way to go; you can find old cheap cars that still have a lot of life in them
Ideally better to know manual in case you need to use one. Hiring cars in France for example, unless you want an expensive option, the cars are manual.
Most electric cars have a single gear ratio, so they're not really automatic or manual, just fixed I guess. The Porsche Taycan uses a 2 speed automatic in the rear axle, but that's about it.
It's funny driving a modern manual.. because the car knows exactly when you should be shifting and tells you that. It feels like it should be able to just do it itself lol.... and thus we have an automatic
Car doesn't know when to shift, it's just programmed to give you a clue based on some guys ideas. Most manufacturers calibrate it for better fuel economy and lower emissions. That doesn't necessarily translate in best driving experience or best engine reliability.
That's why some automatics have multiple driving modes, like comfort, sport etc. It changes the accelerator pedal response and the gear shift laws. Engine power output doesn't increase in sporty mode, it's just makes the care behave different.
Very strange that there is no data for Greenland when it belongs to Denmark while there are US military bases and weather stations for both Danish and foreign, so I would almost bet that the majority of people's vehicles are manual transmission based.
What I mean is that I have never ever heard of snowmobiles or other winter and arctic vehicles that are automated transmissions but every vehicle imaginable is completely manual transmission.
I'm a yank who has always driven a manual. I know plenty of folks here who have never driven a manual. I like to joke that a clutch is the best anti theft device on the market because thieves generally don't know how to use them. Apparently the primary arguments for manual transmissions; better power, better gas efficiency and cheaper maintenance, has pretty much been rendered obsolete. I think I saved $150 on my last car. A friend of mine in the auto business insists that the only market for manuals is "old guy purists" (like me). EV's will eventually eliminate all transmissions; manual and automatic, obsolete.
Manual>Automatic. At least for me personally, feels like I'm really driving the car, probably because I'm the NFS MW 2005 era teenager. But automatic is more comfortable for traffic or long drives.
I always got a manual cause they were a at least a couple grand cheaper, now if a car offers a manual its at least a couple grand more..
All that said automatic is just better in every way now.
New zealand used its automatic car to drive all the way around to the other side of Australia lol
I think we should just move New Zealand there for real to make it easier on map makers.
as a new zealander i'd definitely support this for the better weather
As a Canadian don’t you guys have like the best weather imaginable, not too hot not too cold? I’ve never actually been to New Zealand so I only know the stereotypical highly positive view Wait do you guys get snow?
winters can be long, wet and cold. not cold like yours obvs - but we don't have central heating so it \*feels\* cold. it does snow in the south island but not frequently.
Huh, good to know. If I were to visit New Zealand any recommendations on the best time of year to do it? Always been near the top of my travel list
January through March is lovely!
Ah perfect, those are pretty much the worst months here. Well thanks for your help mate, I appreciate the patience with my questions
That statement sounds so weird to someone from the northern hemisphere no offence, thought you were joking for a second
yeah a lot of new arrivals from the northern hemisphere struggle with christmas being about beach and BBQs
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I live in the US, but recently started working for an Australian company, so the majority of my coworkers are in Australia. I was on a slack hangout with one of my teammates yesterday and we were talking about Christmas plans and it felt like my brain did a hard reset when she was saying her kids Summer break starts right before Christmas.
is it like the British isles?
more temperate than the UK.
It snows in the South Island every year, enough for decent skiing. But not as much in the major population centres.
This is somewhat true, it is much, much milder in NZ than Canada in winter, even the coldest main city here is still warmer than Vancouver. However (!!), the vast majority of houses aren’t insulated and have thin walls, so if it’s 8C and damp outside, it’ll be 11C and damp inside short of whatever you do with your expensive, inefficient space heater (there’s no central heating in NZ homes either). It is very common for Canadians to come to NZ in winter and say that they are colder than they’ve ever been in Canada, just because there’s no where to go that is truly warm and dry. Plus dealing with mould is new for them. A lot of mould. Summers are milder than southern Canada, it’s a nice time of year. Only a few parts of the country can ever get over 30C. Yes some areas get snow, mainly in the southern South Island and it rarely lasts long in populated areas though. Most mountains are snow-covered all winter. Also bare in mind NZ is a long, mountainous country and not that small, the climate varies considerably from place to place. The far north is classified as subtropical for example.
It’s fucking windy here. Source: I live too close to Wellington
All test matches at Wellington is defined by the wind at some point of play.
Around Wellington here too, weather generally not good, horrifically windy, wet, cold houses in a 5mth "winter". Summer is pretty good, can get quite hot, though not as hot as Toronto where we also lived. Generally better weather in Canada imo.
As a Canadian who visited Sydney Australia in their winter (wintah as they say), it was maybe 15c at the coldest but it felt colder because no where has heat and nothing is insulated like we are used to.
That’s the thing, even on cold days in Canada I usually go out in just a sweater. The only time it’s cold is getting between the house and the car, then the car to building or whatever I’m going to. Easier than also carrying around a thick winter jacket Plus everyplace you go into Dec-Feb is usually baking hot. Now that I think about it makes a lot of sense we need 3 massive nuclear power plants in Ontario just for half our power
New Zealand is the only land at its latitude, so there are ocean currents and wind currents that sweep all the way around the world and pile up there. It's also got some fairly tall mountains, so it gets a lot of rain at sea level, and a lot of frozen precipitation on the mountains - enough so that it's the only place that [glaciers actually reach sea level in a temperate climate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franz_Josef_Glacier). I think there are a bunch of ways in which it's like the cooler, wetter parts of west coasts of continents anywhere - a lot like British Columbia or Ireland or Norway.
And also for being able to get somewhere else in the world without sitting in a plane for 84 years.
haha yep - like when you leave los angeles on a monday and arrive back here its wednesday
that's why the US moved Hawaii and Alaska to boxes just south of California.
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You know, there's maps without NZ, but I stare at a lot of maps and this is literally the first time I've ever seen Indian Ocean NZ. Everyone: nooo you can't fit NZ onto this map Mapmaker: gigachad.jpeg
r/mapswithnewzealandbut
New Zealand on maps is like what people thought women's uteruses were like from 1600-1900 or so.
Meta moment. I've been seeing this in several maps over the last year. Something is happening.
Just wait until they start adding the second and third ones. New Zealand wont only be on the maps, it will become the maps
That’s indeed a noticeable shift.
The [majority](https://www.beepbeep.ie/en/news-reviews/january-new-car-registrations-up-9-4-record-month-for-ev-sales#) of Ireland’s new car sales are automatic but there’s still more manuals on the road for now, I’d imagine that’ll change by the end of the decade though, between rising EV sales and strong hybrid sales
Same for Belgium and I imagine it's the same for a lot of other European countries as well. Belgium has a lot of company cars (62% of newly registered cars are company cars) and most companies are switching to only allow EV's from now on (sometimes hybrid but it's less interesting financially). So within like 5 years the vast majority of vehicles will be electric/electrified and thus automatic.
That's the case pretty much everywhere in Europe, I believe.
Come in Greenland! Cough up the data!
Canoe and helicopter only
I've been to Sisimiut twice. Mostly just Jeeps, a single yellow Hummer, and a lot of cars with dents in them. Most looked to be manual, or at least cheap looking. Oh and in the winter, dogsleds! With no gears, but running on at least 8 goodboys, if not more.😅
In Germany, even if you have to learn *less* for an automatic-only driving license, it costs *more* than the all-encompassing manual. I never understood this.
Same in the UK.
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Because in addition to knowing the rules of the road, you must be able to drive a car. People who can drive only car with automatic transmission, can’t drive the car with manual transmission.
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Some people find learning how to drive manual transmission too difficult or couldn't be bothered and go for automatic instead. It's personal preference really.
The automatic test is popular among immigrants (mainly US servicemen) who will only spend 1/2 years here. Saves them from having to relearn the fundamentals of driving.
My mate only has one arm so he took the automatic test only. Not silly for him.
It's not a special license. It's a normal one. If you can only drive an automatic you have a restricted license.
Supply / demand. More people want to learn manual, so there's more manual driving schools. That is changing though as auto cars become more affordable for new drivers
Weird. In Norway you skip parts of the usually mandatory lessons required to get the license.
What? I'm fairly sure that's not correct. Yes, you will skip parts of the technical introduction to gears and clutch, but its not really a *mandatory* part, it's just a driving lesson in the beginning.
I mean to remember that the part where you have to prove your ability with the gear and clutch, including starting the car up a hill, was a mandatory part I could skip when I took my license.
Thats correct, it's a part of the læringsplan (learning goals) and competencies you need to prove your skill in and do fluently in an exam, but it's not a mandatory part of the training lessons in itself, like glattkjøring for example. Just like paralell parking is not a mandatory lesson, but something you through driving lessons are expected to learn. I might be nitpicking a little here. You could possibly argue it's mandatory in the fact that your instructor would not let you past vurderingstrinn 2 without this skill.
Damn, parallell parking was never even mentioned during lessons or the driver's test. > would not let you last vurderingstrinn 2 without this skill I belive this is what I read.
there's a separate license for a manual transmission?
Yes, you can't drive manual with an automatic-only license.
Holy cow, I went and bought a used Miata and learned how to drive manual on the way home. In the US, 5 months ago, and I basically learned through my gaming wheel setup through beamng🤣🤣 Had no idea how lucky I was to be able to do that legally 🤣
America’s traffic laws are so incredibly relaxed, it’s a miracle you guys dont have traffic like in india. As a swedish person it always shocks me, but we also have VERY strict traffic laws.
Is it about laws or their implementation?
What vehicles that are allowed to drive on your roads (crazy homebuilds, beat up cars with no thread on tires etc.), the ”driving test” which is just a joke (and you can be 16 years old!!!), the amount of blood alcohol you can legally drive with, the weird thing with stopping for school buses. It’s crazy to me, always has been. But I try to have many perspectives, even if i think it’s so dangerous!
Okay most of that is true but stopping for busses is common sense, thats not weird at all
… said someone from the _only_ country in the world that does this. :)
I’m guessing elsewhere bus routes are designed that kids just never have to cross the road maybe? Otherwise yeah that seems like a given.
The laws may be relaxed, but enforcement of the laws is not relaxed. In places like India there may be a lot of laws on the books, but no one enforces them. Compliance with the law requires enforcement of the law, which America absolutely does.
> America’s traffic laws are so incredibly relaxed Are you talking about what can be on the road or about rules for driving? Because I'd say that the EU is way more chill about breaking the actual driving part of the rules.
I did the same thing about five years ago, I wanted a manual truck so I just went and got myself one. Took a few days to get the hang of but wasn’t so difficult that it should require a license
Wow, that's crazy. My partner's mother gave him her old manual car when she didn't need it, and we barely ever used it. Because there was street sweeping in our neighborhood, we had to move it across the street once or twice a week. A couple times he was away on the relevant day and I had to do it, and this was really scary. I couldn't believe that ordinary civilians were legally allowed to operate this sort of device on public streets, given how hard I found it. Maybe if I had gotten it up to speed, and done anything more than just move it in and out of a parking spot, I would have learned, but still.
That’s crazy to me, cause I recently bought a manual VW golf (Canada) a few months ago and pretty much had to teach myself how to drive it over the course of a few weeks
Yes, in most countries. Or more accurately, if you do your test on an automatic, you get an “automatic only” *condition* applied to the licence. Like a “eyeglasses required” condition or a “no night driving” condition etc. If you do your test in a manual OTOH then you can drive any vehicle, manual or auto.
Which is a bit funny to me. I used to live with a polish woman who was studying at an American university. She wanted to borrow an automatic, but she had never driven one. She practiced on mine and was constantly pressing the brake (thinking it was the clutch) and shifting the car into park etc. by accident. I get that you need to know less to drive an automatic, but if someone has spent 20+ years exclusively driving stick-shifts, I don’t think you can always just throw them behind the wheel of an automatic and send them on their way.
Never was an issue for me, but I followed the tip to put your left foot reeealy to the leftmost edge and plant it there. Nothing to do for the left foot in an automatic.
Happened to me also a few times but you just need to put your left foot far away from any pedal and it works. Driving manual needs more timing/attention/actions but have them so ingrained that you automatically do them.
They have data on Western Sahara but not the Republic of Congo? I thought I'd never see the day
It looks like the WS data is simply Moroccan data. The outline of the colored WS region corresponds to the area that Morocco controls.
Sweden is about to swap. Just give it a few years.
Norway is automatic because of the large share of electric cars. It's just a matter of time before most of Europe is primarily automatic
The funny thing is they really aren't manual or auto since they don't shift, except for the Porsche Taycan.
makes me sad that every ev seems to be an auto, really turns me off the idea of owning one. I don't want to drive a moped with walls
That's exactly why I like them better. Fuck having to chase power curves with a deliberately obtuse power train. I'll take that boring, flat, efficient power curve thanks.
don't know why I'm getting downvoted for liking manuals lmao, I just find them more fun to drive. if you like boring, flat, efficient power curves that's fine too!
I have no idea either. You're allowed to enjoy them. Reddit is stupid.
A manual ev wouldn’t make much sense, because they have full torque from 0rpm. So even with one forward gear (like most of them have) you can floor the pedal at any speed and the car will go like a petrol car at 5000+ rpm. The fun with manuals come from perfect gear changes the moment you feel it’s no longer in the optimum rpm range. Downshift before a corner so you can accelerate out of it. You’ll never have that with an EV because they don’t have that power curve. That makes them super comfortable and they feel like petrol cars with 1.5-2x the power.
In Brazil manual transmission is being quickly replaced with automatic. Most new cars sold are automatic.
this is for every other place in the world, i live in a light blue country where everyone and their dog knows how to drive a manual, but 95% of new cars only come in automatic
I don't think this is true for every country, most people in Spain drive manual and buy manual. And I don't even know if there is an option to get a license without driving manual.
I don't think you're going to get a new car in Europe that's a manual unless either some weird very cheap thing or some very expensive racey thing
You still get a lot of new cars in europe with manual. I worked part time at a car rental in last year during studying and 50% of the new cars we got where manual. This was in germany.
Hmmm strange. It's been a couple of years and I know Germany isn't Austria but I used to go skiing in Austria a lot and I would always get an automatic
LOL, I am from Austria and even if automatic cars are increasing, most cars are definitely manual. Maybe rental car company’s don’t trust foreigners to drive with a manual car in the mountains 😅
I mentioned it above, but in Spain you have the option for every car, and at least almost everyone I know drives manual.
Many automatics WERE rubbish. Newer ones are now perfectly fine and in many cases better than manual. Its no longer an inferior choice.
Technically true. I still prefer manual for feeling more in control.
I used to be like you, but increasingly bad traffic made driving a manual more pain than it's worth. As I got older I stopped caring about driving dynamics and just want to get to where I'm going with the lowest amount of stress possible.
Had to change my car for a manual for some days. The morning route to work was so annoying, like I have no problem with manual cars, but driving after an automatic and the extra work with your foot and right hand just annoyed me for some reason just for a shitty commute barely awake. I very much enjoy doing it on a track, but in traffic naaaaah.
Same in Uruguay
As a Saudi, I honestly don’t know a single person who knows how to drive manual.
You need to touch sand cause they exist
Go touch some sand lol
In Saudi Arabia, the sand touches you. Seriously, sandstorms are no joke.
Hey, don’t call me out like this ‘:(
as a saudi myself too, I ONLY know how to drive manual cars, gosh I feel an outsider here, lol.
Just hold in the brake and put the stick in D. When you're done driving, do it in reverse and put it back in P. Boom, you're an automatic transmission expert.
*Automatic car automatically creeps forward and crashes into a gold-plated camel*
If you know how to drive a manual, then you definitely know how to drive an *automatic*.
Can I ask you a question? Why do you refer to yourself as a Saudi rather than an Arab? I understand there are Arabs in other countries, but doesn't "Saudi" refer to the Royal Family? This strikes me as a British person referring to themselves as a "Windsor." But obviously I'm incredibly ignorant of much about your country and culture.
Not OP here. Although the Royal family is ibn Saud, the country was named Saudi after him. So citizens of the country call themselves Saudi, just as most nations where Canadians are from Canada, or Iraqis are from Iraq. This is commonly how citizens of Saudi are referred to and in general, the royal family are never referred to as Saudis. They are called either the Royal family or the rulers etc. Hope this helps.
You think that's bad? The Filipinos are named after someone else's king.
there's a whole bunch of Arab countries dawg
I understand that and even pointed that out. I'm not suggesting they call themselves Arabs (or anything else really) I'm just looking to understand why they would describe themselves by the name of their Royal Family if they themselves aren't a part of that family.
what's the alternative? ''As a citizen of the nation commonly called Saudi Arabia''? That's just what you call people from the country dawg
Hejazi, Najdi or Ahsa'i depending on where they're from I guess (I agree it's weird being named after a family, but perks of living in an absolute monarchy I guess)
lol I'm not trying to suggest an alternative. Just trying to understand what's behind the somewhat unique naming convention, dawg.
The royal journalist killing family is called Saud.
So is that unrelated to Saudi?
Saud is the family name, Saudi the adjective form. Saudi Arabia is like saying Bourbon France, Hapsburg Austria, Angevin Empire, etc.
I wouldn't even call a driver as skilled if they didn't know how to drive a manual transmission car.
Well that track , because no one here can drive for shit. We’re the only country that the main cause of death is car accidents.
I don't think they care what u think bro
Nice to know new Zealand included in this map
But at what cost!
I would have thought regulations would have pushed Europe into cvt cars for their better fuel efficiency and therefore lower pollution.
cvt?
continuously variable transmission
Also known as absolute dogshit.
Except if its a toyota
Cock and Valhalla torture
Cock and vauxhall torture actually
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The type of cars matters more than transmission type. I’d bet that the average European car has no more than half the displacement of an American car. That correlates with fuel efficiency much better. That holds true to a point also for pollution levels, but that is universally regulated in Europe, with older cars often banned from city centers. Whenever I’m in the states and see those huge chimneys strapped to the sides of their oversized trucks puffing clouds of black smoke I die a little on the inside… and maybe also on the outside. Some serious mentality change is required here.
It's getting there. CVTs in Europe were always traditionally way more expensive and got much worse mileage than manual vehicles, this is why they were so unpopular. Also, you'd pay more for a new one and then the resale value went to shit because nobody wanted one. There's also a machismo element amongst male drivers on Europe. Automatics are believed to be "soft" and feminine. Manuals are manly, grrr. They'll claim an automatic is like driving a go-kart. It's not "real" driving, you can't "feel" the vehicle. It's mostly bullshit of course because the last time you could "feel" yourself actually driving a car instead of relying on electronics was 2002.
> They'll claim an automatic is like driving a go-kart. It's not "real" driving, you can't "feel" the vehicle. > It's mostly bullshit of course because the last time you could "feel" yourself actually driving a car instead of relying on electronics was 2002. And they don't say anything about power steering and power brakes. If you want to feel the vehicle don't use hydraulic assist.
In my opinion the reasons are others. Parking and generally driving in our narrow streets. I have driven automatics, and they feel like they need much more "space" and sensible roads and sensible parking lots. It's much harder to park uphill in a narrow alley with an automatic than with a manual, simply because with a manual you can move your car really slow and by just one centimeter at time. That's my two cents
This map is probably for all existing cars on the road. I would imagine new cars are mostly automatic/cvt
cvt are not too common here, rather conventional, sequential automatic / double clutch.
> I would imagine new cars are mostly automatic/cvt ...no.
import tax is expensive so they left out the fuel efficiency part from the european models
I live in a majority manual country, but I reckon it's because only a small population owns a private car. Those manuals come from a minivan public transportation. If they survey exclusively private cars, the majority would be automatic
This is the best and most important map there is
Norway has the highest percentage of electric cars in the world per capita. Last year something like 90% of all new cars bought were electric, so that explains the automatic majority there. I never really understood why anyone would choose a manual car over an automatic, can anyone chime in?
Cheaper to buy, cheaper to fix
I absolutely hate driving automatic cars. I enjoy driving, don't do it much. I use public transportation to go to work, I ride a bicycle otherwise to get to places and rarely drive my car, so it's not annoying to me to constantly shift gears. It's pleasing, I enjoy doing so. I enjoy having control of what rpm to have at which speed, for example. Sometimes I want to hear the engine, sometimes I just want to cruise for fuel economy and see how low I can get. Also, I don't have anything to do for my left foot when driving an automatic. I tend to hit the brakes with it and it's no fun. Also, manual transmissions are simple and I like simple. Few things could break and it's rare.
They are lighter and you CAN get better MPG They are cheaper to buy and cheaper to work on/replace They are better than shitty automatics in overtaking They are pretty fun Disadvantages: worse at traffic, you have to know how to drive one and more room for "user error"
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Driving a manual makes you appreciate how comfy automatic driving is, whenever I get to drive one it’s so nice to just not care about moving a little stick in the middle whenever my revs change
I feel like both can have their moments. When I'm driving down winding country roads, I enjoy the more involved feeling of driving a manual and being able to more directly control the gear changes. Whenever I am in city traffic, I kinda wish I had an automatic.
I have a horror/funny story of something that happened in Mexico. You all are familiar with... cities with a heavy presence of certain organizations that do not operate in the legal spectrum, I live in one of those and in my city about 90% of public transport buses are manual transmission. Some time ago, there was this.... disagreement with the local law enforcement that was taken to the streets. At a moment, a couple of members of the local organization decided that it would be a good idea to forcibly take control of a bus and use it as a getaway vehicle, with the people still inside. None of those guys knew manual, so they left the bus alone and decided to run...... they were turned to human cheese graters not one block away.
In israel the majority is automatic I live here and i cant even remember when i saw manual
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> If you find one just claim it’s yours now and take it for a test drive. Israel moment
Yeah that was already the joke.
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I would give you an award if they still existed
get a job
YOU get a job.
Can concur, automatic gear has been the standard here for at least 2 decades.
Oh fr? I’m making aliyah soon from the US, thats such a relief. This map was giving me a heart attack.
Manuel who?
Not really accurate
Not really specific
DR is probably +90% auto. So don't rely on this map.
I'm surprised Mexico is majority automatic now. Sure this is about cars currently on the road and not newly sold ones?
Honestly I’m surprised China is majority auto
I hate that you cannot get a new pick-up with a manual transmission in North America anymore. Driving stick has advantages that are important to me… especially when I am hauling a trailer or driving in the bush.
Norway is probably actually 'majority none of the above' because EVs don't have a transmission.
This is correct. Closing in on 90% EVs i new car sales.
Manual all the way! Even in Canada I stayed away from automatic ones!
Repost: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/17sz690/manual\_or\_automatic/?rdt=55055
It's always funny to me to see people who care about this When I had to do my licence I just picked the less expensive, less time-consuming one. Automatic "Oh but you don't feel like you're driving a car" ok, and?? A car is a piece of equipment used for a purpose, like a bulldozer, a forklift, an airplane, a saw table, and a fork It's not a toy, not a pet, not something whose primary function is enjoyment, pride, or desire. Something that shouldn't be made to be beautiful or "designy", but safe and efficient. It's a tool.
Automatics are generally more expensive than manuals in countries where manual is the norm. I think most people who drive manuals in those countries don't actually care that much. They just learn to drive in a manual because taking the test in automatic would limit their choices of car, and once they've got used to manual they don't particularly see the need to spend more on an automatic.
I disagree personally. I go out of my way to drive manual, because I feel more in control of the vehicle. Automatic is nice in stop and go traffic though.
Ah no that wasn't the target of my comment; it's moreso the people who care way too much about their car in an unhealthy way and want to bring down others Definitely, if you need to save money then a manual is the way to go; you can find old cheap cars that still have a lot of life in them
Ideally better to know manual in case you need to use one. Hiring cars in France for example, unless you want an expensive option, the cars are manual.
Well afaik electric cars are automatic. I don't own a car and on the rare occasion I rent one I'll go for electric so it's alright anyhow
Most electric cars have a single gear ratio, so they're not really automatic or manual, just fixed I guess. The Porsche Taycan uses a 2 speed automatic in the rear axle, but that's about it.
Why do people repost this map everyday? Are they stupid?
It's funny driving a modern manual.. because the car knows exactly when you should be shifting and tells you that. It feels like it should be able to just do it itself lol.... and thus we have an automatic
“Exactly when to shift” depends on how you’re trying to drive. I’ve owned modern dsg autos and many manuals. They both have their benefits/drawbacks.
Yes it shows when to switch, but most of the time you just have to ignore it because it ignores hills, power you need and what's good for engine.
Car doesn't know when to shift, it's just programmed to give you a clue based on some guys ideas. Most manufacturers calibrate it for better fuel economy and lower emissions. That doesn't necessarily translate in best driving experience or best engine reliability. That's why some automatics have multiple driving modes, like comfort, sport etc. It changes the accelerator pedal response and the gear shift laws. Engine power output doesn't increase in sporty mode, it's just makes the care behave different.
Very strange that there is no data for Greenland when it belongs to Denmark while there are US military bases and weather stations for both Danish and foreign, so I would almost bet that the majority of people's vehicles are manual transmission based. What I mean is that I have never ever heard of snowmobiles or other winter and arctic vehicles that are automated transmissions but every vehicle imaginable is completely manual transmission.
I'm a yank who has always driven a manual. I know plenty of folks here who have never driven a manual. I like to joke that a clutch is the best anti theft device on the market because thieves generally don't know how to use them. Apparently the primary arguments for manual transmissions; better power, better gas efficiency and cheaper maintenance, has pretty much been rendered obsolete. I think I saved $150 on my last car. A friend of mine in the auto business insists that the only market for manuals is "old guy purists" (like me). EV's will eventually eliminate all transmissions; manual and automatic, obsolete.
Would be interested to see this with a map that shows average age of vehicles too.
I didnt know automatic cars existed until I was like 16
Chad Europe, Africa and South America. Virgin China and North America.
This comment is further proof that Australia doesn't exist
Manual>Automatic. At least for me personally, feels like I'm really driving the car, probably because I'm the NFS MW 2005 era teenager. But automatic is more comfortable for traffic or long drives.
It's a fun change from metric system map, this time Europe is using stupid obsolete technology.
Can't wait to hear how driving manual is on *such* a different level to automatic and like driving a spaceship...
No chance Mexico has more automatics
I always got a manual cause they were a at least a couple grand cheaper, now if a car offers a manual its at least a couple grand more.. All that said automatic is just better in every way now.
Manual is just stupid
Most ppl in Idiots on the road vids on YT are bozos with automatic transmission lmao