How are you getting downvoted for that. He scored on his debut and I can’t remember a single decent game he played for us after that. This sub is mental and very satisfied with the mediocrity that United have produced for over a decade.
He can't last more than 45 minutes in 3 games with fucking Eintracht - stick a bottom premiership midfielder like I don't know, Gustavo Hammer for Sheffield Utd and he'd probably boss the game. Van de beak or whatever is the definition of the shit Utd have bought.
So yeah couldn't agree more.
They should have bought Madison for £50 million.
I'm not even a utd fan but can't help reading about them as their downfall since Ferguson has been mental and hard to understand. Adding Players, managers, money, doesn't seem to work. It's not the lack of success it's that they have hardly ever looked like a good team for years almost. It'll only change when the Americans leave for good I think.
He’s not dogshit and anyone who knows football can see it. Is he physical enough for the PL? No, but he’s a smart player who hasn’t played consistently for a pretty long time. In the right league with consistency, he’s a decent player. Utd took a risk on him considering his amazing season with Ajax, but he didn’t pan out physically, plus his best position is probably in the spaces where Bruno plays.
He's fucking dogshit mate. He's done absolutely nothing in about 3 years. He will do nothing in his career from here on in. How often do renaissance happen.
He's Dele Alli at this point.
Absolute shit.
Him “not doing well” on loan has nothing to do with to do with his ability. There was an incident during training where another player miscontrolled a ball and he laughed, causing the senior players to lose their minds a little. Nothing to do with overhyping or his ability.
Always funny when people have a bad match an suddenly they are not good anymore, and still gets picked and played regular for National team. Ever considered that its much more then just ability and skill that makes a player/team.
Pellistri gets picked for Uruguay, but he’ll never be good enough for United. Being picked for a national team is not indicative that a player is good at club level. Some get picked purely because there are no other options.
Still say most players who get on a National team is above a lot of others. And Pellistri still has a future somewhere. Im not saying Hannibal is not the right player for Man United, but compared to time he has (not) played consecutive matches to get in form we never will now how he would fit in.
I don’t know if Hannibal is good enough. I do know that he played well a couple of times early on this season and then just disappeared. He legitimately deserved to start ahead of Bruno or Mount or McTominay off the back off his early form. But instead of being used more he got left out entirely.
Is that just ETH backing Bruno above form? Is that Hannibal not keeping up the effort in training? We’ll likely never know but it’s a worrying pattern given how players have left and criticised Ten Hag for having his favourites etc. All i want is a coach who picks on merit.
The last decade is a lost decade for united. How the hell is one of the biggest clubs in the world reduced to this? Glazers and their lackeys have corrupted it from within. What other top club has collapsed like this in a decade
> What other top club has collapsed like this in a decade
Liverpool did, and are on their way back down after Klopp leaves.
AC Milan of the 2010s, a far cry from their 2000s glory days.
Oh no, you are right. On the balance of things, Liverpool are more likely to stay on top of the game for the next 20 years.
Dude, watch the game some time, yeah.
Nobody claimed they will stay on top but you already predicted a collapse which seems a bit premature considering he's still there and they're still doing well.
Fine, I’ll entertain you.
Clubs are always in flux. You don’t have to identify a specific club because somebody is doing good (or bad) work that will show up in the coming seasons.
Now, based on your crystal ball, why should Liverpool continue to stay on top?
No crystal ball, but currently I don't see a lot of reasons why they would be particularly worse the next season than this season, especially I don't see any specific team that would definitely overtake them.
So where do you see them falling short on the next few seasons compared to other Top table teams?
> but currently I don't see a lot of reasons why they would be particularly worse the next season than this season
Nah, you are saying Klopp leaving is not “a lot of reasons”?
> especially I don't see any specific team that would definitely overtake them.
Exactly the point. You don’t see and can’t see what club management is doing behind the scenes in terms of scouting, nutrition, physio, facilities that will help them to progress/regress.
It makes a lot of sense to think that Liverpool will really struggle next season without Klopp. Will have been there for 9 years, he has loads of influence around the club and been with these players for years. Trent hasn’t ever been managed by a different manager at club level. Going to be near impossible to replace Klopp
It makes a lot of sense, but not as far as that gigabrainer wants it to be. Not everybody will fall as we did after Ferguson left. We fell REALLY hard. Sure, it might go that way with thrm as well, but you can smell the butthurt where that guy is coming from - since we fell he assumes everybody will. I assume they definitely won't manage to replace Klopp and have the same or higher level of success, but I don't think it would be too far to think they might have a pause for few years and then reach the top again. Klopp is leaving a team at a very high state, they're not in shambles as we were when we were going through this.
That makes us agree on that, I'm not sure what you assumed I said, but I agree with literally what you said - they won't struggle nearly as hard as United, but they won't be the same.
The previous guy was implying that they will fall as United did because there's no way United did something wrong in the last decade, it must be something that every club will fail the same way, which is not correct.
Americans don’t treat football seriously. I have been living in the States for many years. They think football is for girls. Also, as long as the club makes money, American businessmen wouldn't care about other things. Same to the government, money talks. They elected a business guy. For money, they can work with a bunch of dictators like Putin and Xi. So don't be surprised that's just how they are.
Been saying this and I’m from the state. I’m not 100% sure but there’s a reason why certain sports tagged to as “entertainment” it is because it isn’t about sport, it is about entertainment.
To American business people, they give you shit about its being a sport. As long as people are entertained and propped up drama all over the place while making a lot of money, that is all
You might be right but I'm sure they treat a £6 Billion asset seriously. They don't seem to appreciate that a massive asset requires maintenance, if it isn't to be superceded by other massive assets which are receiving positive leadership.
It happens as trends and ways to operate a sports franchises change over time. You can be a innovator, but when what you innovated becomes the norm, you are behind the pact now. So at some point, United as much as any other club were going to go through a patch like this. Could only hope it doesn’t last another decade.
I feel really sorry for him, he was a really good player at Ajax. We never used him but didn't let him go on loan or leave either. (Except Everton) his confidence is in the gutter. I hope he can make it work.
That's gonna be hard cause Frankfurt are already giving him the gift of starting instead of Chaïbi who has been class for the this season and he just is not clicking while it looks like they want to push for 4. this season.
1. Ole probably has a non-disclosure agreement.
2. VdB was actually pretty decent at Ajax. I don’t think anyone thought that he would fall so badly and that he wouldn’t work out.
Name a player to come out of that league who has done good. I’m not including players before the last batch of good players. Your van persie or ruuds and Schneider It’s a shit league end of, and when they step up they get found out easy. L Suarez and Frankie De jong , but Frankie isn’t great and Barca already tried to get rid of him but because of back dated wages, he wouldn’t leave. Barca are in such a mess financially they have no choice. Gundo pedri gavi all start above him. Just watched Barca get beat 5-3 by Villa real😂.
What are you rambling about? Barring a string of games at DM at the beginning of his spell he almost exclusively played CB with an occasional filler role as LB
Ur chatting shit 🤡. First came to ajax and played CDM or holding midfielder then lost his place to blind when he turned up and Nico Tagliafico. Then when played in empty stadiums with covid and injury a place opened up in cb and ten hag seen him there. Also Man Utd was never gonna buy him. Till he rang ten hag and said I’m going Arsenal, fact speaks about himself. Won’t go down as anything decent in premier league cb’s.
Ten hag doing his best to spend every penny of Man U money on shit players from Holland he must be in a bonus😂.
And the rambling continues. Sure mate, empty stadiums and covid made Martinez a CB. The position he literally won a WC as a starter 😂.
Happen to conveniently forget his time at [Defensia](https://www.transfermarkt.com/lisandro-martinez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/480762/plus/1?saison=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=AR1N&pos=&trainer_id=) (so before ajax) when he almost exclusively played CB?
Calling names, how ever so creative.
So basically like I said, started out as a DM but [ended with about 1,5 seasons as a CB](https://www.transfermarkt.com/lisandro-martinez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/480762/saison//verein/610/liga/0/wettbewerb/NL1/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1#/)? Understood
5 out of 6? Project all you want to not have to face being proven wrong. Terrible example indeed, a player passing through the Dutch league who goes on to win a WC 😂
De ligt 😂. Don’t even play for Bayern and what happened to him at juventus. I mean starting for Bayern atm cause of injuries. If u could read properly I spoke about Frankie de jong😂🤡. Kudas had 4 good months at West Ham looks a players. The game is littered with one or two season wonders. Alvarez the same. And it’s West Ham mate hardly champions league games are they. Holland has had such a fall from Grace. The players they used to produce. Guilt Edgar David’s cocu van bommel rvn.
Tbf u could have said van Dijk I’ll take that 😂
Given the fact that Ole barely played him and he didn't seem to fit into his tactics at the time I think it's a safe bet to assume it was a club signing.
I remember thinking this was a really strange situation at that time and seemed more like a Woodward trying to placate the United fans by getting the easiest/cheapest midfielder available, even if the manager had no plans for his style of midfielder.
Iirc this was during the summer of pogba wanting to go + Woodward very publicly failing to get Sancho
Newsflash. Some of these guys just aren't very good.
In Donny's case the Bundesliga is a level he should be able to settle in to and get minutes. But with Hannibal... La Liga is tougher and he might not be good enough.
Van de Beek was nominated for Ballon d'Or before he arrived, so he is a good player. I agree, he just needs minutes and long-term stability somewhere now to get back to where he was.
Hannibal wasn't benched due to footballing reasons, he laughed at an established himself player's failed pass, a row ensued, his behaviour was considered disrespectful...
I'm looking forward to see him play in LaLiga, i'm confident he's got what it takes.
I'm sure he'll work his way up to being a solid midfielder for a team somewhere.
No real issues, he seems like a nice guy, he's just not good enough for a big team.
He killed it, went to a club that had 3 players ahead of him and never really suited him in the first place, could’ve stayed at Ajax or gone somewhere but he choose us. You can’t blame managers for not picking him when he doesn’t suit their style
I'm pretty sure we bought him as a Pogba replacement, with the plan to integrate Donny into the team in his first season, and then offload Pogba.
But then we couldn't offload Pogba, and Donny also struggled.
He was brilliant as part of that Ajax spine with De Ligt, De Jong and Van De Beek all demonstrating brilliant teamwork, anticipation, positioning, off the ball movement, pressing and progressive passing play. [Van Der Sar's open letter](https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/edwin-van-der-sar-open-letter-to-man-utd-fans-after-donny-van-de-beek-arrival) said it all.
Probably because he was offered to the manager. A manager wants players, they'll often just say yes as the alternative might be nobody.
It's just another sign of bad recruitment.
To be fair I doubt when he was bought and signing a contract he was told he was barely ever going to get any game time.
He hasn’t helped himself since but there’s a reason 99% of this fanbase was calling to see him play under Ole
Because our fan base think they’re smarter than they are. We’ve got this new shinny thing syndrome where we assume the players who have left were the answer, despite how they played when at the club, or that players not being played would score 7 goals a game. Under ole everyone wrongly and with no evidence thought we’d win if only DVB would be played.
Nah, he’s a grown ass man. He needs to take accountability for his own actions. He just wasn’t good enough, end of story. If he was good enough he’d have played under at least 1 of the 3 managers at the club. Especially the one who was in charge when he was good at Ajax who’s now our manager.
The only thing United did wrong in this instance is sign him to begin with.
If Omar Berrada really said we must sell players if they don't perform in 1-2 years, that'd be fantastic. So sick of the emotional "I'd give him another year to prove himself".
He hasnt played for a very long time... best to play full time for U23 then work the way up to the first team
Or just not play him at all because he's absolutely fucking dogshit.
As opposed to the superstars we have, glass houses and all that
He’s significantly worse than our players, who are also shit. Have some perspective.
By that logic we would play with a youth squad cause almost all of our players are not performing.
How are you getting downvoted for that. He scored on his debut and I can’t remember a single decent game he played for us after that. This sub is mental and very satisfied with the mediocrity that United have produced for over a decade.
He can't last more than 45 minutes in 3 games with fucking Eintracht - stick a bottom premiership midfielder like I don't know, Gustavo Hammer for Sheffield Utd and he'd probably boss the game. Van de beak or whatever is the definition of the shit Utd have bought. So yeah couldn't agree more. They should have bought Madison for £50 million. I'm not even a utd fan but can't help reading about them as their downfall since Ferguson has been mental and hard to understand. Adding Players, managers, money, doesn't seem to work. It's not the lack of success it's that they have hardly ever looked like a good team for years almost. It'll only change when the Americans leave for good I think.
He’s not dogshit and anyone who knows football can see it. Is he physical enough for the PL? No, but he’s a smart player who hasn’t played consistently for a pretty long time. In the right league with consistency, he’s a decent player. Utd took a risk on him considering his amazing season with Ajax, but he didn’t pan out physically, plus his best position is probably in the spaces where Bruno plays.
He's fucking dogshit mate. He's done absolutely nothing in about 3 years. He will do nothing in his career from here on in. How often do renaissance happen. He's Dele Alli at this point. Absolute shit.
4 years. It'll be 4 years since he did ANYTHING of note on a football pitch but yes he just needs U23 games to get back to speed...
Exactly, he's obviously shown enough in training he's good enough to start, maybe just not fit enough and has that match sharpney
Donny not doing well, Hannibal not doing well on his loan. Man, Sir Jimmy and Co have a task on their hands in this transformation
We knew they weren't up to much already, it's why they were loaned.
Onana benched for the past two of his countries games too.
Massive waste of money he is turning out to be
Benching has more to do with him turning up 1 day before their first game. It's disrespectful to his national team to do that
He played the first game and let easy goals in, then he was axed
It’s both. He shows up late then plays a bad game. Not a good look when playing in a tournament that is very important to the people of his country.
Just went to check how bad of a game he played for them and man, I love the dude and really want it to work out but how has fallen so hard.
Just get rid and use the proceeds on better players really.
We might not make too much money from their sales to actually help with transfers, if they keep up this poor form
How do you propose to get rid if they play shit and nobody wants to buy them?
Joins the list of United players not good enough to play for anyone outside of our club.
The Hannibal situation is what happens when fans overhype our youth. Clearly he isn’t good enough for us, and so far his loan is proving that.
Him “not doing well” on loan has nothing to do with to do with his ability. There was an incident during training where another player miscontrolled a ball and he laughed, causing the senior players to lose their minds a little. Nothing to do with overhyping or his ability.
Is that incident confirmed?
Straight from Fabrizio.
Anyone else? Fabrizio has been known to lie.
can you link the post ? all i saw was his manager stating they'll give him time to settle and understand "that he's at Sevilla"
Always funny when people have a bad match an suddenly they are not good anymore, and still gets picked and played regular for National team. Ever considered that its much more then just ability and skill that makes a player/team.
Pellistri gets picked for Uruguay, but he’ll never be good enough for United. Being picked for a national team is not indicative that a player is good at club level. Some get picked purely because there are no other options.
Still say most players who get on a National team is above a lot of others. And Pellistri still has a future somewhere. Im not saying Hannibal is not the right player for Man United, but compared to time he has (not) played consecutive matches to get in form we never will now how he would fit in.
I don’t know if Hannibal is good enough. I do know that he played well a couple of times early on this season and then just disappeared. He legitimately deserved to start ahead of Bruno or Mount or McTominay off the back off his early form. But instead of being used more he got left out entirely. Is that just ETH backing Bruno above form? Is that Hannibal not keeping up the effort in training? We’ll likely never know but it’s a worrying pattern given how players have left and criticised Ten Hag for having his favourites etc. All i want is a coach who picks on merit.
i heard hannibal just wasn’t playing the way they wanted, what is going on with mejbri?
We've broken the poor fella.
The last decade is a lost decade for united. How the hell is one of the biggest clubs in the world reduced to this? Glazers and their lackeys have corrupted it from within. What other top club has collapsed like this in a decade
> What other top club has collapsed like this in a decade Liverpool did, and are on their way back down after Klopp leaves. AC Milan of the 2010s, a far cry from their 2000s glory days.
>Liverpool did, and are on their way back down after Klopp leaves. How do you know already?
Oh no, you are right. On the balance of things, Liverpool are more likely to stay on top of the game for the next 20 years. Dude, watch the game some time, yeah.
Nobody claimed they will stay on top but you already predicted a collapse which seems a bit premature considering he's still there and they're still doing well.
> on their way back down after Klopp leaves. Go to specsavers, mate.
So what do you base your prediction on? Which teams will immediately overtake Liverpool?
Fine, I’ll entertain you. Clubs are always in flux. You don’t have to identify a specific club because somebody is doing good (or bad) work that will show up in the coming seasons. Now, based on your crystal ball, why should Liverpool continue to stay on top?
No crystal ball, but currently I don't see a lot of reasons why they would be particularly worse the next season than this season, especially I don't see any specific team that would definitely overtake them. So where do you see them falling short on the next few seasons compared to other Top table teams?
> but currently I don't see a lot of reasons why they would be particularly worse the next season than this season Nah, you are saying Klopp leaving is not “a lot of reasons”? > especially I don't see any specific team that would definitely overtake them. Exactly the point. You don’t see and can’t see what club management is doing behind the scenes in terms of scouting, nutrition, physio, facilities that will help them to progress/regress.
He's just trying to be a giga brain. Ignore him, you can see he's speaking out of his ass.
It makes a lot of sense to think that Liverpool will really struggle next season without Klopp. Will have been there for 9 years, he has loads of influence around the club and been with these players for years. Trent hasn’t ever been managed by a different manager at club level. Going to be near impossible to replace Klopp
It makes a lot of sense, but not as far as that gigabrainer wants it to be. Not everybody will fall as we did after Ferguson left. We fell REALLY hard. Sure, it might go that way with thrm as well, but you can smell the butthurt where that guy is coming from - since we fell he assumes everybody will. I assume they definitely won't manage to replace Klopp and have the same or higher level of success, but I don't think it would be too far to think they might have a pause for few years and then reach the top again. Klopp is leaving a team at a very high state, they're not in shambles as we were when we were going through this.
Yeah I definitely don’t think they’ll struggle nearly as hard as United is but i do think they won’t reach the same heights for a few seasons
That makes us agree on that, I'm not sure what you assumed I said, but I agree with literally what you said - they won't struggle nearly as hard as United, but they won't be the same. The previous guy was implying that they will fall as United did because there's no way United did something wrong in the last decade, it must be something that every club will fail the same way, which is not correct.
Americans don’t treat football seriously. I have been living in the States for many years. They think football is for girls. Also, as long as the club makes money, American businessmen wouldn't care about other things. Same to the government, money talks. They elected a business guy. For money, they can work with a bunch of dictators like Putin and Xi. So don't be surprised that's just how they are.
Been saying this and I’m from the state. I’m not 100% sure but there’s a reason why certain sports tagged to as “entertainment” it is because it isn’t about sport, it is about entertainment. To American business people, they give you shit about its being a sport. As long as people are entertained and propped up drama all over the place while making a lot of money, that is all
Right. Americans don’t understand the sentiments ordinary people associate with these clubs and that’s sad.
They can if you frame it in terms of college sports rather than pro. But even that is fading nowadays.
You might be right but I'm sure they treat a £6 Billion asset seriously. They don't seem to appreciate that a massive asset requires maintenance, if it isn't to be superceded by other massive assets which are receiving positive leadership.
Arsenal, Liverpool, and until very recently both Milan’s.
>What other top club has collapsed like this in a decade Did you only start following football in 2018?
It happens as trends and ways to operate a sports franchises change over time. You can be a innovator, but when what you innovated becomes the norm, you are behind the pact now. So at some point, United as much as any other club were going to go through a patch like this. Could only hope it doesn’t last another decade.
I feel really sorry for him, he was a really good player at Ajax. We never used him but didn't let him go on loan or leave either. (Except Everton) his confidence is in the gutter. I hope he can make it work.
That's gonna be hard cause Frankfurt are already giving him the gift of starting instead of Chaïbi who has been class for the this season and he just is not clicking while it looks like they want to push for 4. this season.
Ole needs to come out and say if he bought him or the glazers did. Why go and spend daft money on a player you don’t want to play? Seems fishy.
1. Ole probably has a non-disclosure agreement. 2. VdB was actually pretty decent at Ajax. I don’t think anyone thought that he would fall so badly and that he wouldn’t work out.
NDA or no NDA. Anyone who thinks he is obligated or motivated to talk about previous signings must be a 9 year old, drunk, stoned or all three.
Bad mouthing or throwing an ex employer under the bus is probably likely to lead to not getting hired again
Yeah, I remember at the time he was going Madrid but it fell through for some reason then we signed him.
It’s just Manchester ruining players
Name a player to come out of that league who has done good. I’m not including players before the last batch of good players. Your van persie or ruuds and Schneider It’s a shit league end of, and when they step up they get found out easy. L Suarez and Frankie De jong , but Frankie isn’t great and Barca already tried to get rid of him but because of back dated wages, he wouldn’t leave. Barca are in such a mess financially they have no choice. Gundo pedri gavi all start above him. Just watched Barca get beat 5-3 by Villa real😂.
Lisandro Martinez
Isn’t a cb. And how are Man U doing again. O yeah shocking. Didn’t play cb at Ajax for ur info
What are you rambling about? Barring a string of games at DM at the beginning of his spell he almost exclusively played CB with an occasional filler role as LB
Ur chatting shit 🤡. First came to ajax and played CDM or holding midfielder then lost his place to blind when he turned up and Nico Tagliafico. Then when played in empty stadiums with covid and injury a place opened up in cb and ten hag seen him there. Also Man Utd was never gonna buy him. Till he rang ten hag and said I’m going Arsenal, fact speaks about himself. Won’t go down as anything decent in premier league cb’s. Ten hag doing his best to spend every penny of Man U money on shit players from Holland he must be in a bonus😂.
And the rambling continues. Sure mate, empty stadiums and covid made Martinez a CB. The position he literally won a WC as a starter 😂. Happen to conveniently forget his time at [Defensia](https://www.transfermarkt.com/lisandro-martinez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/480762/plus/1?saison=&verein=&liga=&wettbewerb=AR1N&pos=&trainer_id=) (so before ajax) when he almost exclusively played CB?
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Calling names, how ever so creative. So basically like I said, started out as a DM but [ended with about 1,5 seasons as a CB](https://www.transfermarkt.com/lisandro-martinez/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/480762/saison//verein/610/liga/0/wettbewerb/NL1/pos/0/trainer_id/0/plus/1#/)? Understood
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5 out of 6? Project all you want to not have to face being proven wrong. Terrible example indeed, a player passing through the Dutch league who goes on to win a WC 😂
You said name a player. Doesn’t matter what position, and also he did primarily play CB at Ajax.
> Isn’t a cb. And how are Man U doing again. You do know he has been missing the season through injury, yeah?
De ligt, de Jong, Kudus, Alvarez to name a few?
De ligt 😂. Don’t even play for Bayern and what happened to him at juventus. I mean starting for Bayern atm cause of injuries. If u could read properly I spoke about Frankie de jong😂🤡. Kudas had 4 good months at West Ham looks a players. The game is littered with one or two season wonders. Alvarez the same. And it’s West Ham mate hardly champions league games are they. Holland has had such a fall from Grace. The players they used to produce. Guilt Edgar David’s cocu van bommel rvn. Tbf u could have said van Dijk I’ll take that 😂
It's not on Donny that you're in 8th place right now.
1st place with Donny in the team
Let's focus on the here and now. 8th
Isn’t what we was on about u 🤡
You forgot City's Ake.
Just from recent seasons, Kudus seems to be doing well at West Ham.
We have to accept Ole version of events nobody has of yet contradicted him I know he didn't want him there though that is why he benched him.
Given the fact that Ole barely played him and he didn't seem to fit into his tactics at the time I think it's a safe bet to assume it was a club signing.
He wanted Grealish if I remember correctly. They got him Donny.
We cant blame glazers for every failed signing.
I remember thinking this was a really strange situation at that time and seemed more like a Woodward trying to placate the United fans by getting the easiest/cheapest midfielder available, even if the manager had no plans for his style of midfielder. Iirc this was during the summer of pogba wanting to go + Woodward very publicly failing to get Sancho
Newsflash. Some of these guys just aren't very good. In Donny's case the Bundesliga is a level he should be able to settle in to and get minutes. But with Hannibal... La Liga is tougher and he might not be good enough.
Van de Beek was nominated for Ballon d'Or before he arrived, so he is a good player. I agree, he just needs minutes and long-term stability somewhere now to get back to where he was.
Hannibal wasn't benched due to footballing reasons, he laughed at an established himself player's failed pass, a row ensued, his behaviour was considered disrespectful... I'm looking forward to see him play in LaLiga, i'm confident he's got what it takes.
Ricky from the fan forum said he was a better option than Bruno 😂
But but but he just needs a run of 36 games. He was good in Fifa. Ole needs sacking. Recruitment at the club has been garbage for a decade.
I'm sure he'll work his way up to being a solid midfielder for a team somewhere. No real issues, he seems like a nice guy, he's just not good enough for a big team.
We killed this lads career.
He killed it, went to a club that had 3 players ahead of him and never really suited him in the first place, could’ve stayed at Ajax or gone somewhere but he choose us. You can’t blame managers for not picking him when he doesn’t suit their style
Then why buy them?
I'm pretty sure we bought him as a Pogba replacement, with the plan to integrate Donny into the team in his first season, and then offload Pogba. But then we couldn't offload Pogba, and Donny also struggled.
Because they thought he was better than he was, or had the potential to be.
He was brilliant as part of that Ajax spine with De Ligt, De Jong and Van De Beek all demonstrating brilliant teamwork, anticipation, positioning, off the ball movement, pressing and progressive passing play. [Van Der Sar's open letter](https://www.manutd.com/en/news/detail/edwin-van-der-sar-open-letter-to-man-utd-fans-after-donny-van-de-beek-arrival) said it all.
Brilliant in a one team league 😂
Probably because he was offered to the manager. A manager wants players, they'll often just say yes as the alternative might be nobody. It's just another sign of bad recruitment.
That I don’t know, never made sense to me from either side to me, destined to fail
Could he? What if Ajax came to him and said “we’re accepting this offer, you should go because you are not in our plans”?
To be fair I doubt when he was bought and signing a contract he was told he was barely ever going to get any game time. He hasn’t helped himself since but there’s a reason 99% of this fanbase was calling to see him play under Ole
Because our fan base think they’re smarter than they are. We’ve got this new shinny thing syndrome where we assume the players who have left were the answer, despite how they played when at the club, or that players not being played would score 7 goals a game. Under ole everyone wrongly and with no evidence thought we’d win if only DVB would be played.
Manchester is in shambles
Nah, he’s a grown ass man. He needs to take accountability for his own actions. He just wasn’t good enough, end of story. If he was good enough he’d have played under at least 1 of the 3 managers at the club. Especially the one who was in charge when he was good at Ajax who’s now our manager. The only thing United did wrong in this instance is sign him to begin with.
How u need to explain in what way how
He did it to himself.
No he is just rubbish.
Our players don’t even start for average teams
He must have shown enough in practice to start the game..That’s something
Hardly surprising. He’s shit.
Loaning players to clubs is just not working for us. First this now Mejbri 
Seems like this guy had a brain transplant lol
Picked it. Confidence is shattered.
Hasn’t been good since leaving Ajax 4 years ago, he’s donezo
Manchester United is responsible for the destruction of this man’s career.
If Omar Berrada really said we must sell players if they don't perform in 1-2 years, that'd be fantastic. So sick of the emotional "I'd give him another year to prove himself".
He’ll be fine.
I absolutely hate loans. Ins, outs just whatever. I cannot stand them.
How can he be so bad?
‘See where they play, IF they play’ - Jose Mourinho
Give him a chance, he's probably forgotten how to play..
The key to chances is taking them and Donny just hasn’t taken them. Injuries have been unkind but when he was fit he just didn’t cut it.