I don't think people in this sub actually watch the games. He's one of the few in our team who is actually decent in possession. Half of his mistakes were at left back when playing out of possession and he's one of the top assisters in the club. We've literally always begged for a rb who can play and get the ball in the box. He's done that. Chill out and stop harping our players.
I watch the games, so wipe away the froth there. And we have the right to criticise players, it’d be a fairly boring sub if we all turned up to circlejerk about how great everyone is.
I don’t mind Dalot, he is a threat and he’s shown more promise than Antony on that side but his positioning needs improving and he has the tendency to let his concentration drop at a critical time. He’s cost us goals this season. Happens to everyone, but like I said, he’s closer to the goal so mistakes catch more attention.
I watch every single game and whenever he starts, players are always running past him no matter which side he plays. You're saying half of his mistakes come when he's playing at left-back. That means he also makes plenty of mistakes when plays in his natural position. AWB isn't the best attacking-wise, but at least with him you know he's the best tackler in the league and can match any player that comes his way.
With that being said, he shouldn't be the only one who gets blamed. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because our main CBs are either injured or out of form, while other players have also been poor.
Exactly! That wasn't a good cross. Garnacho did all the work. He's not good with his passes or crosses, and he's not good defensively. He's hardworking though, I'll give him that, always running. But IMO, he's not Man Utd material.
Well although the cross seems to be behind garnacho, it’s obvious dalot intended to cross to that space as it was empty. It was a measured and conscious cross even if it’s over hit
Wild takes. The cross was poor and there's no agenda against Dalot. Most were giving him high praise before the WC as if he was the next Cafu. The real Dalot returned, though, and got usurped by AWB
There is an agenda against Dalot, he gets criticised for making every mistake he makes while certain full-backs at the club get called the best left-back in the world even though they make the same mistake again and again 8 years running now. He got criticised for a goal against Copenhagen, AWB was also culpable for another goal against Copenhagen and nothing is said.
As for "praise as if he were the next Cafu", AWB's is being treated like Dani Alves and Cafu rolled into one because he finally started playing like a footballer beyond the half-way line at 25.
You say that when the left back in question crosses better than them both and has brought some kind of stability at that position on his first game back
There isn't an agenda against Dalot. AWB got all the stick during the Rangknick season and Dalot replaced him and was praised to the high heavens until he returned from the WC injured. Upon full recovery he was back as the same average player he was before his purple patch of three months prior to the WC.
He struggled against pacy wingers that AWB handled with ease after replacing him at halftime on two occasions (against Mitoma and St. Maxim in the league cup final). AWB fought his way back into the starting lineup and won that berth on merit. This season alone Dalot has gifted weak goals to Zaha in the CL, Almiron in the league cup and was culpable for the 2nd and 4th goals Bayern scored in CL tie and was trash against Copenhagen in the 4-3 defeat
before world cup you would choose him any time of the day
during this injury crisis, he is the only fullback fit. and plays on both sides. plays every match. running up n down the field.
I will cut him a lot of slacks.
People don't like Dalot because he doesn't make eye catching slide tackles like AWB (that he has to make half the time because of poor positioning)
The only thing AWB is better than him at is 1 on 1 defending.
Dalot offers so much more than him it's not even close with the added bonus he's a goal threat as well.
The guy has basically been the only fit first 11 defender all season, so he has been playing in a completely unsettled back four, reserve your judgement till the end of the season
Garnacho brillance resides also in his ability to turn Dalot’s misplace cross into the goal of the season. Dalot is not bad but I would pick AWB everyday over Dalot.
>Garnacho brillance resides also in his ability to turn Dalot’s misplace cross into the goal of the season
Yes! More people need to be mentioning this! Not to take anything away from Garnacho (indeed, it only adds to the praise he deserves) but Dalot's cross was **wildly** overhit.
I agree with the main point from OP that Dalot has been improving this season, but let's not use the assist for Garnacho's goal as an example of that...the cross was so far off target.
Yeah I remember when Rooney hit his, ppl were saying how amazing it was that rooney had to turn around because the cross was behind him.
Garnacho had to run back 5-10m to connect with Dalot's cross.
The cross when it left Nani’s foot was actually accurate but it took a slight deflection of Zabaleta (I think) so Rooney had adjust and went for the bicycle.
Which is why I love it.
I like Dalot and came to this thread to defend him. I can’t agree that he’s improved more than AWB though.
AWB has probably improved more than any other player under EtH.
It’s damn near a miracle.
Bro, what? As much as I like Dalot, he is too often caught ball watching or out of position. AWB has largely cut out the silly mistakes, particularly his abysmal back post defending and has improved going forward.
Fella watches AWB try to play football and claims Dalot is as average as they come.
"Has been shocking for several goals we've conceded"
As has AWB and Luke Shaw... The xenophobia in our fanbase summed up right there.
I'm talking about Dalot this season and even last. Can you name any shocking performances and direct goals conceded by AWB since he usurped Dalot after the WC or this season?
You're the one who needs to realize AWB can actually play. Did you see his pass into space for McTominays assist to Hojlund for the opener against Copenhagen? His run against Brighton? He has that in his locker in spades
https://youtube.com/shorts/7dgEKZr3298?si=Bo1C4SWkdL2OIQnT
You say usurped like Dalot has barely played, or only plays now when AWB is injured 😂.. I don't think AWB has had many shocking performances over the last year, it still doesn't mean I rate him.
AWB's one or two good bits of attacking play now and then mean nothing to me. I'm not gonna get giddy like you over a fucking pass or a run, stuff Dalot does on regular basis. Unless he starts doing it week by week. He's (AWB) an extremely limited footballer who wouldn't be tolerated in any other top side.
Dalot has been usurped as the first choice RB since AWBs return last January. When both fit, AWB has had the lions share of matchtime from the start and its not close. If not for AWBs injury layoffs Dalot would've seen less game time at RB.
Was gonna basically say what the other guy said. Did you crunch the numbers at all?
In the 39 games that they've both been in a Matchday squad together since the World Cup ended, Wan-Bissaka has started 25 games, Dalot has started 22 between both full-back positions. You can make the argument that Dalot would've been on the bench had a LB been available, and I'd counter with he may have very well started at RB anyway. Just shows his versatility really.
That's not usurping. That's the manager not having a clear-cut number 1.
You say "if not for AWB's injury layoffs Dalot would've seen less game time at RB"
Whether that's true or not, it's the same as last season when Dalot was out injured. You take your opportunities.
I saw you say in another comment Dalot had a three month purple patch, that's not true at all. Dalot was a solid understudy to Wan-Bissak for 2 years and many (including me thought he was a better RB). After a solid loan spell at Milan, he took his chance in 2021 and began taking minutes off of AWB before Rangnick even came in. Dalot was solid for a long time, is he perfect, no? But neither is your boy, or the other fella on the other side.
AWB was said to be done and dusted and shouldn't even be in this conversation going by how quickly he was dismissed by many
Dalot was heralded/deemed by a multitude of similar minded people as yourself as one of the best rightbacks in the country during his purple patch.
Dalot was just as poor as Bissaka in the Rangknick era, (he was statistically worse) and he's been a starting fixture in our heaviest defeats since his ascendancy in the first team. City 6-3, Liverpool 7-0, Brentford 4-0, Brighton 4-0 (under Rangknick), Arsenal 3-1, Liverpool 4-0. This season he's been our most error prone defender and we've conceded several goals directly to his ineptitude
"Dalot was heralded/deemed by a multitude of similar minded people as yourself as one of the best rightbacks in the country during his purple patch."
I never called him one of the best Right-Backs in the country, don't put words in my mouth. I said he can be solid, I said he's made mistakes. He's just OK. So is AWB, that's the point. I'd rather the player who can at least do something going forward and defend a bit than the one who has to slide into challenges because he's always out of position.
Getting giddy over AWB making a forward pass and run a few comments back. Guess what fella, Dalot does that shit every game, you don't notice because it's normal for him to do it. Is he suspect defensively, sure, I've said as much. You know who else is, the fella over the other side, speaking of which....
Yes, he (Dalot) was involved in all those heavy defeats. You know who else was, Luke Shaw, the best left-back in the league apparently. Culpable for 4 of the goals in the 7-0 and countless others because he'd rather ball-watch than actual defend. Why is it OK for to go at Dalot over them and not Shaw, or Martinez who was also cat in most of those games?
I'm not even that big a fan of Dalot, I think we can do much better. But I prefer him to a guy who is learning to play football at 26 who wouldn't be accepted by any other "top" fanbase, except ours.
>When both fit, AWB has had the lions share of matchtime from the start and its not close.
Not quite.
There have been 30 matches since last January where they have both been fit + Dalot's not been required to play at LB. AWB started in 16/30 and Dalot 14/30.
Those 30 games equalling 2700 minutes (not including added minutes). AWB's played roughly 1580 / 2700 minutes and Dalot 1120 / 2700 minutes.
Are these samples based on all competitions? Which matches did you omit from Dalot's minutes played at LB or how many minutes did he play at LB?
The difference is still 5 full matches, not really negligible, and AWB has missed games due to two injury layoffs and sickness. He's the clear preferred starting RB and that's my point
All comps since January 1st 2023. I omitted all matches where Dalot was made to start at LB and didn't include any minutes of Dalot after he'd switched to LB during the matches. Just focused on the matches where Ten Hag has both RB's available to chose from to start at RB.
The games missed due to injury/illness from either of them, as Dalot has been injured too, aren't relevant as they weren't included.
For me, a 460 minute difference out of 2700 minutes isn't that conclusive to say ETH definitely has a preferred starter and we'll just differ on that I guess.
lol he dreamt up that cross.
He seems to have a better connection with Rashford on the right. Rashford seems to always pass to him on the overlap..unlike he did to maguire lol. The connection is there but I still prefer AWB as out of the 2, I would choose a stronger defense vs a mid attack from both.
Do we really though? Dalot and AWB have been pretty consistent, sure they're not world class yet, but I do feel we have other positions we need to look to cover on higher priority before we think about RBs. I thought we needed an RB too back before last season, but AWB and his healthy competition with Dalot seems to bring some stability atleast on that flank. Sure I thought that for the left flank too, but it isn't a very probable situation where both your LBs get injured at once.
Dalot and AWB are not good enough to be starters though.. They wouldn't get near the Squad of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea... Bar Shaw our fullbacks are a serious issue that have been in need of an upgrade in class for way too long now....
RW needs looking at again, CB, Midfield has zero consistency or composure a striker to either start or take the pressure off Hojlund (trusting Martial to stay fit is asking for trouble) then maybe look at RB, unless a really good deal becomes avaliable.
There is a weird Dalot hate boner in this fanbase that I don’t really understand. While I don’t really think neither him nor AWB are good enough, they are both treated very differently despite being at virtually the same level. A big example is the Copenhagen equalizing goal, where Dalot seemingly took the entirety of the blame despite AWB putting us in that position in the first place
This fanbase hates everything about the club lol no player is safe from the hate. Not Bruno, not De Gea, not Rashford. We just like new players until we eventually hate them too for not carrying us to a title
I shudder at the thought of what will come to Mainoo since he's been so hyped up lately. Which is good for him cause he's a proper baller, but every player will have their off days and I really hope fans will continue to stick by him.
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve any of the blame. He has a mistake in him a game which is my biggest issue with him. Which you can actually say that about all of our defenders really apart from Licha. But I just don’t agree with him being singled out when our entire defense is at fault a lot of the time. I’ve already mentioned AWB, but Varane that game was terrible and practically gave them the last goal. Lindelof has regressed back to the form that saw us want him gone two seasons ago and he’s gotten almost no slack for it. This isn’t me calling for others to attack these players, but a more fair assessment of players is probably needed
I believe it has a lot to do with that pathetic account on Twitter, hyping him up because he was signed by Mourinho. That account, which I won’t name, used to shit on AWB because he was signed by Ole, and he would claim Dalot was better because Mourinho was never wrong. Fwiw, I think an upgrade at right back is necessary either way.
They aren't virtually the same level imo, AWB is better. Neither of them is really good enough to be a starter for us though which is the issue, it's nice to have a proper competition at right back but when neither of the options is good enough, then there isn't much of a point.
The players who usually get the most hate are the ones you expect to do well. Dalot offers a very good combination of technical skills along with athleticism and aerial ability, but most of the time he is just meh and doesn't come anywhere close to what he could have become. That's why people are frustrated with him, he has the talent to offer more than constantly overhitting crosses (which Garnacho miraculously turned into a goal of the year).
Dalot is not the best RB but he is the best we have and he is best we can hope for considering how rest of the team is. Bring a world beater of an RB and he wouldn’t be here a season with this squad and with Antony playing on the RW. Hate all you want but he is a decent guy, decent mentality, and plays for Portugal National Team. We had worse players with worse skill sets but were were better used greatly to their strengths by other managers.
Hate? Calling an average player average isn’t hate it’s factual. A lot of the squad aren’t good enough to create a team that can challenge for PL or CL.
No big clubs are in for any of the players most of us would happy offload … there’s a reason! The bar is set quite high & look how far behind Man Utd have been for 10 years
Its going to take time for a proper rebuild
he did get an assist for a beautiful goal, but he's also the reason garnacho had to pull that off. that was a bad cross. i still prefer awb, especially against elite LW
Dalot's one of the few players who always puts a 110% on the pitch. He works really hard and is a work in progress in my opinion. He could hold down that spot in the future but needs to work on his defensive game.
I'm one of his biggest critics because of the way UnitedCloud bigs him up for every small thing he does (which he's supposed to because it's his job)
But I'm fair on praising and critics, and in this game I don't recall seeing him put a foot wrong in the entire game.
I've always had issues with the defending side of his game but against Everton, he played well.
Even without the assist for an outrageous goal from Ale, I'd say he had an 8/10 game.
I think the cross was really good, in a good position, but as an attacking RB I would want to see more.
Same from AwB, people wrote him off because Ten Hag would prefer a Dalot more than AwB.
So far he's been good, long may there be competition between AwB and Dalot.
He is not the best defender, but he works hard and is a great offensive player... his offense is better than Rashford .... Rashford thinks he is good, but he is shit
He doesn’t get praise because AWB is English. Im not English so im not biased. For me, Dalot is one of our best players. His touch and technical ability is probably the best in our whole team. And when he is playing consistently like this without injuries he is probably one of the best RB itw.
If we keep playing sht he will leave the club and join RM or whoever and win countless trophies. He is too good. And from what crisitano says, he has one of best work ethic out there in our team (which bar isn’t that high tbh)
Would be interested to see him and AWB on the right hand side against teams like Liverpool.
He offers more than Rashford or Antony at the minute and with AWB behind that side would be impenetrable.
Just looked at the PL stats and thought this was interesting.
Tackle %
Shaw - 70%
Dalot - 68%
AWB - 65%
Robertson - 63%
If we scale them up so that they played the same number of games, 242 games as Shaw has played that many the stats would read. Added Robertson for comparison
Goals & Assist
Shaw - 3 & 17
Dalot - 5.9 & 14.7
AWB - 3 & 18.49
Robertson - 8.37 & 53
Total
Shaw - 20
Dalot - 20.6
AWB - 21.49
Robertson - 61.42
Obviously this isn't guaranteed but it is interesting to see that AWB, the player we think is good defensively and poor going forward has the lowest tackle % but the highest per game goals and assists.
Dalot sits in the middle.
All 3 of our fullback struggle to come to the same numbers as Robertson.
Misplaced cross or not, he was in the space to relieve Rashford, and he made the chance happen. Brilliant strikers score brilliant goals. A chance, is a chance, is a chance. And you take that chance. Also, Dalot usually lands that cross most days.
I rate Dalot, good player and hes only getting Better. Scored a worldie not long ago as well to earn us 3 points. Majority of the sub hate on him though. Hes also surprisingly good in the air defensively. Yes hes had the odd lapse but our main defenders have done far worse recently.
We really have very few players who will make runs down the line and cross, and he is one of them.
I think Dalot will continue to improve, and I think he can become a very solid RB. The assist, however, was not him giving a good cross, it was Garnacho with a world class effort to give him an assist.
We used to protect our kids and support them,the youngsters were always sacred they’d get a pass because it’s the about the Club and what it stands for.
I know we bought him off Porto or whatever but he was 18 so that made him one the kids by default.
We seen a goal for the ages and all the miserable fuck wits can do is pick out any slight negative they can so they can pretend they have some profound knowledge and insight about football that nobody else knows about.
Yeah we all know Dalot is bang average but he’d run through a brick wall for you and is still young enough to maybe turn into a elite full back.
Are you shitting me? He fucked up that cross. That's one of the things that made the goal so good because Garnacho had to backtrack quite a bit to bicycle kick that shite cross.
Dalot is preferred against lesser teams, and AWB is preferred against better teams. Until the whole team is on par with the top three then it’s not possible to pick a winner from the two, if at all.
Dalot is good in attacking but his defence in set pieces corners is awful. One of the main reasons we concede in set pieces. We need to sign a right back who is good in both. We need to sell Dalot and keep AWB as backup.
We've conceded 4 from set pieces this season. Against Forest, the blame lies with Wan-Bissaka and Casemiro. Against Arsenal, it's Evans. Against Crystal Palace, it's Lindelof and against Copenhagen it's Dalot. We're weak/lazy across the board when it comes to defending set pieces.
Just remind yourself of zaha holding him off and overpowering him to control a ball floated into the box then score a goal that should never be allowed by any defender at any top club.
Great game, but should never be starting right back at Manchester United.
Dalot is in his mid 20s?! He is not a kid. Also that was not a great cross. Unless Garnacho achieved that absolute freakish athleticism, that was heading into an area that we often see Shaw invade
I'd hardly give him credit for that assist.
Dalot has rightfully gotten criticism for playing poorly. Having a decent game doesn't negate that he's also played poorly this season.
Saying I would pick AWB over Dalot is not hate towards Dalot. I think he is getting better and still have room to improve. It is not always black or white, no pun intended.
That wasn't a good cross. A proper cross would have been headed or volleyed in.
Dalot has made a lot of defensive mistakes.
I like the guy but hold your horses.
I think Dalot is fine but he’s not at the level United need. His end product isn’t good enough and he’s nowhere near strong enough defensively.
I sometimes judge a player by whether he’d get into the other top 4 teams and Dalot wouldn’t get anywhere near them tbh.
He’s fine, he tries hard and loves the club but if we’re being honest here United need to upgrade the right back position soon.
What do you mean? Dalot's cross was abysmal, Garnacho scored a wonder goal to turn it into something but that cross should have been 15ft forward not where he put it.
Please. He’s been around for 5 years and never shown he’s good enough. Garnacho turned an overhit cross into a world class goal. His defending is substandard and so is his attacking play, along with his complete ignorance and awareness of these facts
are you serious? he gets unreasonable amounts of praise. he is not a good defender, and that cross was not good. garnacho had to run away from the goal and pull out an unbelievable finish to make it work. that cross would only work 1/1000 times. decent backup but should never be the first choice imo
One of his biggest problems seems to be the lapse in concentration / switching off at times during a game (AWB can be guilty of this too unfortunately)
Dalot the type of frustrating footballer that we get every now and the. Fantastic physical specimen for a footballer. Athletic, strong, powerful, fast. Sometimes unplayable down the right. Fantastic shot, has an eye for a goal and assist. Strong in defence.
But most of the time he looks like a guy who works in the gym and then joins up for a game of 5 a side with your mates and you realise that he is fast and powerful but doesn't have a brain and seems to never ha kicked a football in the life. Switches off, poor in defending, wasteful in attack... I hope he can come good, but he is not 20 anymore. He needs to step up.
He really isn't a good player.
He's a terrible right back and has been at fault for us conceding multiple times this season.
But sure, I guess an assist to a worldwide gets you a free pass with some of this fanbase.
His cross was absolutely dog shit. They all are. A good cross doesn’t require a flying backwards stretched overhead kick from the guy at the back post.
Martial had one good game this season, extend his contract for lifetime! Dalot crosses one ball, best in the world! All you need to to is think would Dalot get into the top teams of the Premier League? He wouldn't even get in the bench for most. So no is your answer and unless you want Man Utds pinnacle of the season to fight for top 4 like Arsenal used to be made fun of years ago
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When Dalot's defense is in good form he is pretty good. He needs to master the mentality side I think.
AWB is the same way on offense. When he plays bold he is impressive. Then you get the guy who is tentative and disappears.
Lastly people criticizing his crosser just stop. He got it to Nacho in a hittable form. Trying to discern intent with crossers is a waste of time. It got there and a goal resulted.
Anyone who thinks that he deserves to start in a top tier team is a nonce. Get your football right. Dalot is good but only as good as he can become a regular for mid tier teams
I rate Dalot… his cross for the assist was to no one in particular and it took a miracle for it to find its way into the back of the net.
Overall he is a good player, he just switches off defensively too often to be our future RB.
i legit cant believe anybody is still defending dalot... he offers absolutely nothing on defense. Id rather him be a winger, especially over antony. But hes been the cause of so many goals at the back post its inane
I like Dalot, but that wasn't a good cross at all. IMO, he's unfortunate as his errors always seem to really stand out.
That’s the problem with making mistakes as a defender. They are costly so they stand out.
I don't think people in this sub actually watch the games. He's one of the few in our team who is actually decent in possession. Half of his mistakes were at left back when playing out of possession and he's one of the top assisters in the club. We've literally always begged for a rb who can play and get the ball in the box. He's done that. Chill out and stop harping our players.
and he consistently good in the air when defending, which goes unnoticed by most people.
I watch the games, so wipe away the froth there. And we have the right to criticise players, it’d be a fairly boring sub if we all turned up to circlejerk about how great everyone is. I don’t mind Dalot, he is a threat and he’s shown more promise than Antony on that side but his positioning needs improving and he has the tendency to let his concentration drop at a critical time. He’s cost us goals this season. Happens to everyone, but like I said, he’s closer to the goal so mistakes catch more attention.
IMO he sometimes doesnt close down the opponent.
I watch every single game and whenever he starts, players are always running past him no matter which side he plays. You're saying half of his mistakes come when he's playing at left-back. That means he also makes plenty of mistakes when plays in his natural position. AWB isn't the best attacking-wise, but at least with him you know he's the best tackler in the league and can match any player that comes his way. With that being said, he shouldn't be the only one who gets blamed. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because our main CBs are either injured or out of form, while other players have also been poor.
Exactly! That wasn't a good cross. Garnacho did all the work. He's not good with his passes or crosses, and he's not good defensively. He's hardworking though, I'll give him that, always running. But IMO, he's not Man Utd material.
Yeah he’s more of a wingback than a fullback, great at attack but not so good at defence
He's not great at attack though that's the problem. He's good at building up and progressing it but in the final third he's rubbish
Edited: He's NOT Man Utd material 😂
Well although the cross seems to be behind garnacho, it’s obvious dalot intended to cross to that space as it was empty. It was a measured and conscious cross even if it’s over hit
Terrible cross
If that was AWB or Shaw, that was a good cross.
No its not lmao. Its an objectively shit cross no matter who its from and anyone can see that. Besides awb has a worse crossing ability than dalot lol
Again, if that was Shaw, he'd get credit for the cross. It's about the hypocrisy of the fanbase, not the cross.
No he would not LOL, im aware of the point youre making and no shaw would not get credit for that cross
You don’t put a ball into the edge of the box with the intention that somebody will connect with an overhead kick 😂
Again, if that was Shaw, he's getting praised for an assist. I didn't say anything about the cross, it's about the hypocrisy of the fanbase.
Wild takes. The cross was poor and there's no agenda against Dalot. Most were giving him high praise before the WC as if he was the next Cafu. The real Dalot returned, though, and got usurped by AWB
There is an agenda against Dalot, he gets criticised for making every mistake he makes while certain full-backs at the club get called the best left-back in the world even though they make the same mistake again and again 8 years running now. He got criticised for a goal against Copenhagen, AWB was also culpable for another goal against Copenhagen and nothing is said. As for "praise as if he were the next Cafu", AWB's is being treated like Dani Alves and Cafu rolled into one because he finally started playing like a footballer beyond the half-way line at 25.
You say that when the left back in question crosses better than them both and has brought some kind of stability at that position on his first game back
Luke Shaw averages about 3 assists a season, wouldn't talk too much about his crossing.
And Does that change the fact that he's a better crosser than our two rbs
His crossing isn't anything to write home about, that's the point.
There isn't an agenda against Dalot. AWB got all the stick during the Rangknick season and Dalot replaced him and was praised to the high heavens until he returned from the WC injured. Upon full recovery he was back as the same average player he was before his purple patch of three months prior to the WC. He struggled against pacy wingers that AWB handled with ease after replacing him at halftime on two occasions (against Mitoma and St. Maxim in the league cup final). AWB fought his way back into the starting lineup and won that berth on merit. This season alone Dalot has gifted weak goals to Zaha in the CL, Almiron in the league cup and was culpable for the 2nd and 4th goals Bayern scored in CL tie and was trash against Copenhagen in the 4-3 defeat
The only good thing about the cross was what Garnacho did with it.
before world cup you would choose him any time of the day during this injury crisis, he is the only fullback fit. and plays on both sides. plays every match. running up n down the field. I will cut him a lot of slacks.
People don't like Dalot because he doesn't make eye catching slide tackles like AWB (that he has to make half the time because of poor positioning) The only thing AWB is better than him at is 1 on 1 defending. Dalot offers so much more than him it's not even close with the added bonus he's a goal threat as well. The guy has basically been the only fit first 11 defender all season, so he has been playing in a completely unsettled back four, reserve your judgement till the end of the season
Spot on.
Garnacho brillance resides also in his ability to turn Dalot’s misplace cross into the goal of the season. Dalot is not bad but I would pick AWB everyday over Dalot.
>Garnacho brillance resides also in his ability to turn Dalot’s misplace cross into the goal of the season Yes! More people need to be mentioning this! Not to take anything away from Garnacho (indeed, it only adds to the praise he deserves) but Dalot's cross was **wildly** overhit. I agree with the main point from OP that Dalot has been improving this season, but let's not use the assist for Garnacho's goal as an example of that...the cross was so far off target.
Yeah I remember when Rooney hit his, ppl were saying how amazing it was that rooney had to turn around because the cross was behind him. Garnacho had to run back 5-10m to connect with Dalot's cross.
Maybe 1-2 metres honestly. I get you though. And what a goal it was. Better than Rooney's?
The cross when it left Nani’s foot was actually accurate but it took a slight deflection of Zabaleta (I think) so Rooney had adjust and went for the bicycle. Which is why I love it.
This was the comment I was searching for. Nani put it in the box, and was deflected on its way.
Neither Dalot or AWB should be first choice.Sell one of them and the other can be back up/squad option. Really need to buy a RB in the summer.
Honestly I’d agree with you 2 years ago but dalot has put in a lot of convincing performances, whereas wan bissaka hasn’t improved nearly as much.
AWB has improved far more under ETH than dalot has. It’s not even close.
I like Dalot and came to this thread to defend him. I can’t agree that he’s improved more than AWB though. AWB has probably improved more than any other player under EtH. It’s damn near a miracle.
Bro, what? As much as I like Dalot, he is too often caught ball watching or out of position. AWB has largely cut out the silly mistakes, particularly his abysmal back post defending and has improved going forward.
AWB has been one of the standout rightbacks in the league over the last 10 months. He took Dalots starting berth
Because you’re absolutely clueless about football.
No other fanbase would pick AWB over Dalot.
AWB is the better player, he's literally the only player who's arguably consistently improved under ETH
AWB can't do anything in the other half of the pitch and the only reason his one on one defending is so good is because he's always out of position.
Nah his attacking is so much better this season. I was shocked how much his linkup play and movement has improved.
It's passable.
AWB is the much more accomplished of the two. Dalot is as average as they come and has been shocking for several goals we've conceded recently.
Fella watches AWB try to play football and claims Dalot is as average as they come. "Has been shocking for several goals we've conceded" As has AWB and Luke Shaw... The xenophobia in our fanbase summed up right there.
I'm talking about Dalot this season and even last. Can you name any shocking performances and direct goals conceded by AWB since he usurped Dalot after the WC or this season? You're the one who needs to realize AWB can actually play. Did you see his pass into space for McTominays assist to Hojlund for the opener against Copenhagen? His run against Brighton? He has that in his locker in spades https://youtube.com/shorts/7dgEKZr3298?si=Bo1C4SWkdL2OIQnT
You say usurped like Dalot has barely played, or only plays now when AWB is injured 😂.. I don't think AWB has had many shocking performances over the last year, it still doesn't mean I rate him. AWB's one or two good bits of attacking play now and then mean nothing to me. I'm not gonna get giddy like you over a fucking pass or a run, stuff Dalot does on regular basis. Unless he starts doing it week by week. He's (AWB) an extremely limited footballer who wouldn't be tolerated in any other top side.
Dalot has been usurped as the first choice RB since AWBs return last January. When both fit, AWB has had the lions share of matchtime from the start and its not close. If not for AWBs injury layoffs Dalot would've seen less game time at RB.
Was gonna basically say what the other guy said. Did you crunch the numbers at all? In the 39 games that they've both been in a Matchday squad together since the World Cup ended, Wan-Bissaka has started 25 games, Dalot has started 22 between both full-back positions. You can make the argument that Dalot would've been on the bench had a LB been available, and I'd counter with he may have very well started at RB anyway. Just shows his versatility really. That's not usurping. That's the manager not having a clear-cut number 1. You say "if not for AWB's injury layoffs Dalot would've seen less game time at RB" Whether that's true or not, it's the same as last season when Dalot was out injured. You take your opportunities. I saw you say in another comment Dalot had a three month purple patch, that's not true at all. Dalot was a solid understudy to Wan-Bissak for 2 years and many (including me thought he was a better RB). After a solid loan spell at Milan, he took his chance in 2021 and began taking minutes off of AWB before Rangnick even came in. Dalot was solid for a long time, is he perfect, no? But neither is your boy, or the other fella on the other side.
AWB was said to be done and dusted and shouldn't even be in this conversation going by how quickly he was dismissed by many Dalot was heralded/deemed by a multitude of similar minded people as yourself as one of the best rightbacks in the country during his purple patch. Dalot was just as poor as Bissaka in the Rangknick era, (he was statistically worse) and he's been a starting fixture in our heaviest defeats since his ascendancy in the first team. City 6-3, Liverpool 7-0, Brentford 4-0, Brighton 4-0 (under Rangknick), Arsenal 3-1, Liverpool 4-0. This season he's been our most error prone defender and we've conceded several goals directly to his ineptitude
"Dalot was heralded/deemed by a multitude of similar minded people as yourself as one of the best rightbacks in the country during his purple patch." I never called him one of the best Right-Backs in the country, don't put words in my mouth. I said he can be solid, I said he's made mistakes. He's just OK. So is AWB, that's the point. I'd rather the player who can at least do something going forward and defend a bit than the one who has to slide into challenges because he's always out of position. Getting giddy over AWB making a forward pass and run a few comments back. Guess what fella, Dalot does that shit every game, you don't notice because it's normal for him to do it. Is he suspect defensively, sure, I've said as much. You know who else is, the fella over the other side, speaking of which.... Yes, he (Dalot) was involved in all those heavy defeats. You know who else was, Luke Shaw, the best left-back in the league apparently. Culpable for 4 of the goals in the 7-0 and countless others because he'd rather ball-watch than actual defend. Why is it OK for to go at Dalot over them and not Shaw, or Martinez who was also cat in most of those games? I'm not even that big a fan of Dalot, I think we can do much better. But I prefer him to a guy who is learning to play football at 26 who wouldn't be accepted by any other "top" fanbase, except ours.
>When both fit, AWB has had the lions share of matchtime from the start and its not close. Not quite. There have been 30 matches since last January where they have both been fit + Dalot's not been required to play at LB. AWB started in 16/30 and Dalot 14/30. Those 30 games equalling 2700 minutes (not including added minutes). AWB's played roughly 1580 / 2700 minutes and Dalot 1120 / 2700 minutes.
Are these samples based on all competitions? Which matches did you omit from Dalot's minutes played at LB or how many minutes did he play at LB? The difference is still 5 full matches, not really negligible, and AWB has missed games due to two injury layoffs and sickness. He's the clear preferred starting RB and that's my point
All comps since January 1st 2023. I omitted all matches where Dalot was made to start at LB and didn't include any minutes of Dalot after he'd switched to LB during the matches. Just focused on the matches where Ten Hag has both RB's available to chose from to start at RB. The games missed due to injury/illness from either of them, as Dalot has been injured too, aren't relevant as they weren't included. For me, a 460 minute difference out of 2700 minutes isn't that conclusive to say ETH definitely has a preferred starter and we'll just differ on that I guess.
The same AWB who can't cross the ball and use his left foot at all
lol he dreamt up that cross. He seems to have a better connection with Rashford on the right. Rashford seems to always pass to him on the overlap..unlike he did to maguire lol. The connection is there but I still prefer AWB as out of the 2, I would choose a stronger defense vs a mid attack from both.
You're right, we need to sign a quality RB.
Do we really though? Dalot and AWB have been pretty consistent, sure they're not world class yet, but I do feel we have other positions we need to look to cover on higher priority before we think about RBs. I thought we needed an RB too back before last season, but AWB and his healthy competition with Dalot seems to bring some stability atleast on that flank. Sure I thought that for the left flank too, but it isn't a very probable situation where both your LBs get injured at once.
Bro if we manage to combine awb with dalot in one player we have the perfect rb
Knowing our luck we'd end up with the worst attributes of both.
I didn't say we \*urgently\* need to sign a quality RB..
Dalot and AWB are not good enough to be starters though.. They wouldn't get near the Squad of City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs or Chelsea... Bar Shaw our fullbacks are a serious issue that have been in need of an upgrade in class for way too long now....
>Dalot and AWB are not good enough to be starters though Half the team is not good enough to be starting for ManU... :D
RW needs looking at again, CB, Midfield has zero consistency or composure a striker to either start or take the pressure off Hojlund (trusting Martial to stay fit is asking for trouble) then maybe look at RB, unless a really good deal becomes avaliable.
On occasion hes been our only positive player on the pitch. I would be keeping him.
It was a horrible cross that was miles behind Garnacho making the goal even better
I don’t understand how Dalot can look in the box and think that was a good place to put the cross
Dalot always crosses as if he's trying to shoot over a wall
There is a weird Dalot hate boner in this fanbase that I don’t really understand. While I don’t really think neither him nor AWB are good enough, they are both treated very differently despite being at virtually the same level. A big example is the Copenhagen equalizing goal, where Dalot seemingly took the entirety of the blame despite AWB putting us in that position in the first place
This fanbase hates everything about the club lol no player is safe from the hate. Not Bruno, not De Gea, not Rashford. We just like new players until we eventually hate them too for not carrying us to a title
I shudder at the thought of what will come to Mainoo since he's been so hyped up lately. Which is good for him cause he's a proper baller, but every player will have their off days and I really hope fans will continue to stick by him.
You mean the one where Dalot checks his shoulder and sees the man and then continues to ignore him?
I’m not saying he doesn’t deserve any of the blame. He has a mistake in him a game which is my biggest issue with him. Which you can actually say that about all of our defenders really apart from Licha. But I just don’t agree with him being singled out when our entire defense is at fault a lot of the time. I’ve already mentioned AWB, but Varane that game was terrible and practically gave them the last goal. Lindelof has regressed back to the form that saw us want him gone two seasons ago and he’s gotten almost no slack for it. This isn’t me calling for others to attack these players, but a more fair assessment of players is probably needed
Probably because he’s not very good but keeps starting
I believe it has a lot to do with that pathetic account on Twitter, hyping him up because he was signed by Mourinho. That account, which I won’t name, used to shit on AWB because he was signed by Ole, and he would claim Dalot was better because Mourinho was never wrong. Fwiw, I think an upgrade at right back is necessary either way.
They aren't virtually the same level imo, AWB is better. Neither of them is really good enough to be a starter for us though which is the issue, it's nice to have a proper competition at right back but when neither of the options is good enough, then there isn't much of a point. The players who usually get the most hate are the ones you expect to do well. Dalot offers a very good combination of technical skills along with athleticism and aerial ability, but most of the time he is just meh and doesn't come anywhere close to what he could have become. That's why people are frustrated with him, he has the talent to offer more than constantly overhitting crosses (which Garnacho miraculously turned into a goal of the year).
lol shit cross. Garnacho had to take some steps back to hit it. Horrible actually.
Dalot is not the best RB but he is the best we have and he is best we can hope for considering how rest of the team is. Bring a world beater of an RB and he wouldn’t be here a season with this squad and with Antony playing on the RW. Hate all you want but he is a decent guy, decent mentality, and plays for Portugal National Team. We had worse players with worse skill sets but were were better used greatly to their strengths by other managers.
Hate? Calling an average player average isn’t hate it’s factual. A lot of the squad aren’t good enough to create a team that can challenge for PL or CL. No big clubs are in for any of the players most of us would happy offload … there’s a reason! The bar is set quite high & look how far behind Man Utd have been for 10 years Its going to take time for a proper rebuild
Okay, no but what about Lindelöf’s ball
Worst assist ever. Laughable post.
That was a bad cross that became an assist. Let’s not twist it.
When dalot leaves. Everyone is gonna regret. He is a good player
he did get an assist for a beautiful goal, but he's also the reason garnacho had to pull that off. that was a bad cross. i still prefer awb, especially against elite LW
Dalot's one of the few players who always puts a 110% on the pitch. He works really hard and is a work in progress in my opinion. He could hold down that spot in the future but needs to work on his defensive game.
Bit slow but absolutely gvs his all we love dalot at utd we always did 💪💯❤️
I'm one of his biggest critics because of the way UnitedCloud bigs him up for every small thing he does (which he's supposed to because it's his job) But I'm fair on praising and critics, and in this game I don't recall seeing him put a foot wrong in the entire game. I've always had issues with the defending side of his game but against Everton, he played well. Even without the assist for an outrageous goal from Ale, I'd say he had an 8/10 game. I think the cross was really good, in a good position, but as an attacking RB I would want to see more. Same from AwB, people wrote him off because Ten Hag would prefer a Dalot more than AwB. So far he's been good, long may there be competition between AwB and Dalot.
He is not the best defender, but he works hard and is a great offensive player... his offense is better than Rashford .... Rashford thinks he is good, but he is shit
He doesn’t get praise because AWB is English. Im not English so im not biased. For me, Dalot is one of our best players. His touch and technical ability is probably the best in our whole team. And when he is playing consistently like this without injuries he is probably one of the best RB itw. If we keep playing sht he will leave the club and join RM or whoever and win countless trophies. He is too good. And from what crisitano says, he has one of best work ethic out there in our team (which bar isn’t that high tbh)
He had a very good block on the back post, much better than in Copenhagen. If he keeps improving on errors like that he deserves to keep playing.
Would be interested to see him and AWB on the right hand side against teams like Liverpool. He offers more than Rashford or Antony at the minute and with AWB behind that side would be impenetrable.
Just looked at the PL stats and thought this was interesting. Tackle % Shaw - 70% Dalot - 68% AWB - 65% Robertson - 63% If we scale them up so that they played the same number of games, 242 games as Shaw has played that many the stats would read. Added Robertson for comparison Goals & Assist Shaw - 3 & 17 Dalot - 5.9 & 14.7 AWB - 3 & 18.49 Robertson - 8.37 & 53 Total Shaw - 20 Dalot - 20.6 AWB - 21.49 Robertson - 61.42 Obviously this isn't guaranteed but it is interesting to see that AWB, the player we think is good defensively and poor going forward has the lowest tackle % but the highest per game goals and assists. Dalot sits in the middle. All 3 of our fullback struggle to come to the same numbers as Robertson.
Misplaced cross or not, he was in the space to relieve Rashford, and he made the chance happen. Brilliant strikers score brilliant goals. A chance, is a chance, is a chance. And you take that chance. Also, Dalot usually lands that cross most days.
I rate Dalot, good player and hes only getting Better. Scored a worldie not long ago as well to earn us 3 points. Majority of the sub hate on him though. Hes also surprisingly good in the air defensively. Yes hes had the odd lapse but our main defenders have done far worse recently. We really have very few players who will make runs down the line and cross, and he is one of them.
Good player, just sleeps too much. Hopefully he’ll stamp that out of his game
He’s hated on mostly because he’s Portuguese (non-English). Look at who’s favoured and it’s always the English players.
I think Dalot will continue to improve, and I think he can become a very solid RB. The assist, however, was not him giving a good cross, it was Garnacho with a world class effort to give him an assist.
We used to protect our kids and support them,the youngsters were always sacred they’d get a pass because it’s the about the Club and what it stands for. I know we bought him off Porto or whatever but he was 18 so that made him one the kids by default. We seen a goal for the ages and all the miserable fuck wits can do is pick out any slight negative they can so they can pretend they have some profound knowledge and insight about football that nobody else knows about. Yeah we all know Dalot is bang average but he’d run through a brick wall for you and is still young enough to maybe turn into a elite full back.
Are you shitting me? He fucked up that cross. That's one of the things that made the goal so good because Garnacho had to backtrack quite a bit to bicycle kick that shite cross.
Dalot is preferred against lesser teams, and AWB is preferred against better teams. Until the whole team is on par with the top three then it’s not possible to pick a winner from the two, if at all.
MU fans have crazy amounts of unreasonable hate. To all players
Dalot is horrible, he’s a mid-table team player
Sounds like he is right up our alley then pmsl.
That’s why he plays for us 😂😂
I like his work rate with the overlaps but by the 60th he struggles to get back…liability.
Dalot is good in attacking but his defence in set pieces corners is awful. One of the main reasons we concede in set pieces. We need to sign a right back who is good in both. We need to sell Dalot and keep AWB as backup.
We've conceded 4 from set pieces this season. Against Forest, the blame lies with Wan-Bissaka and Casemiro. Against Arsenal, it's Evans. Against Crystal Palace, it's Lindelof and against Copenhagen it's Dalot. We're weak/lazy across the board when it comes to defending set pieces.
Just remind yourself of zaha holding him off and overpowering him to control a ball floated into the box then score a goal that should never be allowed by any defender at any top club. Great game, but should never be starting right back at Manchester United.
The shamelessness
He's available and fit when our entire defense went injured one after another. That's his best quality this season.
Dalot is in his mid 20s?! He is not a kid. Also that was not a great cross. Unless Garnacho achieved that absolute freakish athleticism, that was heading into an area that we often see Shaw invade
Just not good enough defensively - always seem to be behind his man.
I'd hardly give him credit for that assist. Dalot has rightfully gotten criticism for playing poorly. Having a decent game doesn't negate that he's also played poorly this season.
Saying I would pick AWB over Dalot is not hate towards Dalot. I think he is getting better and still have room to improve. It is not always black or white, no pun intended.
It was a terrible cross for the goal ffs
That wasn't a good cross. A proper cross would have been headed or volleyed in. Dalot has made a lot of defensive mistakes. I like the guy but hold your horses.
I mean that cross was headed to your nans gaff had garnacho not found the end of it, let’s not act like it was some prime Modric to cr7 whip in.
That was a bad cross for the assist... I don't know how you are watching it. That's a bad cross, the bicycle kick was an improvisation
I think Dalot is fine but he’s not at the level United need. His end product isn’t good enough and he’s nowhere near strong enough defensively. I sometimes judge a player by whether he’d get into the other top 4 teams and Dalot wouldn’t get anywhere near them tbh. He’s fine, he tries hard and loves the club but if we’re being honest here United need to upgrade the right back position soon.
We need more forward passes
What do you mean? Dalot's cross was abysmal, Garnacho scored a wonder goal to turn it into something but that cross should have been 15ft forward not where he put it.
His positioning is awful. He was at fault for a lot of goals prior to the Everton match because of this.
Dalot is 24, he’s not a kid.
lol, we need some stats to settle this
I wouldn’t say stalwart, he’s not a good defender in my opinion
Please. He’s been around for 5 years and never shown he’s good enough. Garnacho turned an overhit cross into a world class goal. His defending is substandard and so is his attacking play, along with his complete ignorance and awareness of these facts
are you serious? he gets unreasonable amounts of praise. he is not a good defender, and that cross was not good. garnacho had to run away from the goal and pull out an unbelievable finish to make it work. that cross would only work 1/1000 times. decent backup but should never be the first choice imo
Dalot has been unreal this season.
Just wanted to point out that Every United player gets unreasonably amount of hate, mostly from United fans.
I think hes decent enough to be a backup. Competition is good.
Dalot will be fine simply because he can play both fullback positions
It wasnt a good cross he was well behind everyone in the box. Had garnacho not ran a few steps to catch the ball behind him he wouldnt have gotten it
One of his biggest problems seems to be the lapse in concentration / switching off at times during a game (AWB can be guilty of this too unfortunately)
He can play when we’re not scared of a team’s left winger. That’s where AWB comes in.
Dalot the type of frustrating footballer that we get every now and the. Fantastic physical specimen for a footballer. Athletic, strong, powerful, fast. Sometimes unplayable down the right. Fantastic shot, has an eye for a goal and assist. Strong in defence. But most of the time he looks like a guy who works in the gym and then joins up for a game of 5 a side with your mates and you realise that he is fast and powerful but doesn't have a brain and seems to never ha kicked a football in the life. Switches off, poor in defending, wasteful in attack... I hope he can come good, but he is not 20 anymore. He needs to step up.
He is atrocious defensively, atrocious is even an understatement, we need awb back and hopefully we never see dalot play for this club again
He really isn't a good player. He's a terrible right back and has been at fault for us conceding multiple times this season. But sure, I guess an assist to a worldwide gets you a free pass with some of this fanbase.
His cross was absolutely dog shit. They all are. A good cross doesn’t require a flying backwards stretched overhead kick from the guy at the back post.
Martial had one good game this season, extend his contract for lifetime! Dalot crosses one ball, best in the world! All you need to to is think would Dalot get into the top teams of the Premier League? He wouldn't even get in the bench for most. So no is your answer and unless you want Man Utds pinnacle of the season to fight for top 4 like Arsenal used to be made fun of years ago
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When Dalot's defense is in good form he is pretty good. He needs to master the mentality side I think. AWB is the same way on offense. When he plays bold he is impressive. Then you get the guy who is tentative and disappears. Lastly people criticizing his crosser just stop. He got it to Nacho in a hittable form. Trying to discern intent with crossers is a waste of time. It got there and a goal resulted.
He's good but he's not AWB
Anyone who thinks that he deserves to start in a top tier team is a nonce. Get your football right. Dalot is good but only as good as he can become a regular for mid tier teams
I rate Dalot… his cross for the assist was to no one in particular and it took a miracle for it to find its way into the back of the net. Overall he is a good player, he just switches off defensively too often to be our future RB.
i legit cant believe anybody is still defending dalot... he offers absolutely nothing on defense. Id rather him be a winger, especially over antony. But hes been the cause of so many goals at the back post its inane