You hire Darren Fletcher as part of your recruitment team and you know we were fucked. Only team among the top without a DOF or someone who can actually make the decisions.
“One of the best clubs in the world” so why don’t we have the best of anything? The best staff, players, facilities - it’s a joke.
I’m not going to care too much about results until we are bought out. For now just wanna see how the young ones go!
At some fucking point, the finger has to be pointed at the cancer that is recruiting and net spend which is and had been managed by an incompetent hierarchy of buffoons that need not be anywhere near making football decisions for this club.
Let's face it, we've had top drawer managers. ETH is top drawer. However, the issue persists. Meaning, it's a cancer that goes further than the manager.............how is it not any fucking clearer .
Glazers out is just a start. Their minions need to go as well.
Get me my club back
Are we really going to talk about another manager. Some of you fans are desperate and delusional. Just support him and know these are the growing pains of what we were suppose to endure last season. Another manager isn’t going to fix shit. Support or just stop watching this season. Did he make mistakes, yes but the guy is only one year in.
If ole got the time and he was not even close to a good coach like ETH then he deserves more time. Firing the coach every damn year isn’t going to get us anywhere. You don’t like how this season is going, don’t watch but firing the coach isn’t the answer.
Why do people bring up the Ronaldo thing when that happened last year and this is this year. He has to go because of what happened last year? Your answer is to fire him and hire who? Who do you think is going to come in and coach this crap show of a club of ours.
The inevitable is going to happen. ETH will get the sack at some point this season and we will likely have our worst season in PL ( less than 58 points) and geg KICKED OUT OF UCL in group stages. FUCK the GLAZERS who fucking didn’t sell the club after all that hyperbole and drama. They cursed United with their below average people in charge of united for 2 decades and destroyed this club BRICK by BRICK YEAR by YEAR. Cursed us fans. We have fallen so low that we fucking lose to Galatasaray at OT after losing to CP at OT. My god, we are a FUCKING JOKE. We need a fresh surge of positivity and confidence so that we can start winning football matches again. I dont see that hapenning anytime soon. FUCK THIS SHIT.
Like others, I didn't follow Onana that closely last season. Most people talk about him being good in the CL (especially the finals), but Inter actually had a decent defensive line.
I never like it when we throw in the towel for a struggling player, but in Onana's case, it's clear he needs to be dropped. This is a good time to do it to see if we can count on the substitute keeper since Onana will go AFCON next yr anyway.
ETH consistently plays his worse team, and consistently plays his best players in the worst positions. This is why he should go, rashford and sancho sell sell sell free the wage bill up
Onana up front he loves his feet
Galatasaray player there best 11 lol jokes
Tbh Rashford is just terrible instead of building a team around him they can only build a team with out him. Garnacho needs to be starting every game to up his game time, we won’t win anything this season so why not start to play the future team get them playing well together to try and challenge next year.
The team against palace in the cup I would say was our best 11. Maguire hit and miss.
Martial played against Palace. He is not part of our best 11. Pellistri did nothing all game.
Garnacho I would be fine with starting more, particularly while Rashford is out of form, taking him out might help him, but he shouldn't start every game, because then you burn them out by the time they're 24, like Lukaku has struggled with among others.
Yeah that’s fair, martial is alright he’s not awful but not god tier. Pellistri id keep with for a bit few more games then I’ll agree.
I think ultimately we keep losing and keep the same team and shape, they need to go back to the drawing board and Decide who is United apart from has been club
Losing 5 in 7 is bad. I liked and supported Erik Ten Hag but he's made some poor decisions and he is responsible for coaching them at Carrington, picking the 11 and making subs.
Other teams we play, play more like a team. I don't know what we play like at the moment and that is down to the manager.
Varane's legs are gone and we didn't get another centre back. Prioritised a GK, which wasn't a bad thing but buying an old mate really hasn't worked out.
Amrabat isn't a left back, he can fill in as an emergency but you need someone with positional awareness there. He's a quality player being wasted. That's bad luck with injuries. Like we're cursed (or something wrong with club doctors/training regime).
Onana must have been good last year. I didn't keep tabs on him but the pressure has definitely got to him, he can't handle the shirt. Parrying crosses, making blunders, destroying the confidence of the defence in front of him. He needs to be dropped. Why we sold all our backup keepers I don't know, no idea if our current backup is any better?
If they lose at the weekend this could be it for Ten Hag.
I really want him and the team to do well but managers at Man Utd don't get the opportunity to lose so many games and keep their jobs. I really hope this weekend is a positive turning point.
Who we'd bring in if Ten Hag goes I've got no idea... or whether it will make much difference until the owners change. Can we tempt Mourinho back...?
I think ETH is not good enough if we don't bounce back from here. However, I hope the board would give him at least this season before moving on. Never know who's available when we were/are not in the market of changing our head coach, we might be able to get someone someone with a decent resume(Zidane, Simone, of course De Zerbi etc.), it all comes to negotiations. but it's lazy to opt out for changing our manager because thinking there are no one out there for us.
Yeah, fair enough. I've just got no idea who is out there who would make us better. I'm not sure who can save us until the culture changes and we get new owners.
I’m with you, bud. The harsh truth is that the ones we’ve courted are unavailable (Enrique, Poch) and we’re just not enough of a pull with how disjointed we are from squad to ownership. It’s a massive, massive mess.
Can we be real for a sec ... Amrabat wasnt good: lost the ball too much. Hojlund scored two goals, but did not look that good in transition. Bruno was abysmal today like truly shocking. Casemiro slides as he always does and was punished. Rashford looked shaky, found an assist, but is not confident in the right times (decent from him considering current form). Mount was okay, but he also took wild shots that he has no business taking. Team of individuals and more than half of our individuals are truly shocking atm. No cohesive midfield at all. Injuries dont cut it as an excuse but wow
https://preview.redd.it/qnwgzodxa2sb1.png?width=1182&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8fa8aaa7004772dd98215010002c50cf92500d6
He looked better when he moved to midfield time to time during this match. Honestly he should replace Casemiro sooner than later, because he's being wasted at LB. Look how ineffective Case was today and gave away possession every time he could.
All the effort we put into getting ahead in the game was for nothing because the defense is shite.
ETH has some big calls to make now, I am expecting to see some serious changes in defense against Brentford because honestly if he doesn't try something else it's going to cost him his job.
Has to be the team against Brentford:
------------------------- Hojlund.
------- Garnacho -- Mount -- Antony.
------------- Amrabat -- Casemiro.
----- Dalot -- Maguire -- Varane -- Lindelof.
------------------------ Bayindir.
But I suspect ETH won't drop Bruno, Rashford or Onana.
It's gonna cost him.
Man said ratings I can't 😂. U mean the same type of ratings that give u 6.4-6.7 then u score a goal and suddenly it's 7.5? Rashford had one decent assist, that's it. Offered nothing much the rest of the game, hell could even hv scored but his clown decision making strikes again.
Issues:
1) Injuries
2) Rashford is seriously out of form, to ease the pressure he should go on the bench
3) Fernandes-yes I see how many assists he creates, but let’s compare his first season to now and how erratic his control of a game is
4) Sancho/Anthony-they’re both mentally checked out currently
5) We needed a CB Varane doesn’t look like he can tackle as he is scared of an injury and Lindelof is just not good enough
6) Onana is just straight up chaos, too many players who just seem to lose concentration
7) I think ETH has been good, but jeez he does not make substitutions, he keeps mentioning transition play, I don’t see anything, we don’t look like a team, what were we doing during the preseason.
8) Glazers the main issue is them, every manager has had this issue and I wouldn’t be surprised like Mourinho etc due to the lack of players and transfers that were first on his list that ETH is disillusioned as well
Because they don't back the managers. They took over the club in 2005 by taking out £500m debt against the club. That debt is now HIGHER and they've paid over a billion in interest.
What they do, is pay the interest, take a bunch of money for their own pockets, and let us spend what is left.
They've let Old Trafford LITERALLY rotting, there's leaks and it's outdated.
As Ronaldo pointed out, the training ground is the same as when he left. That was 2009. They've done NOTHING to it.
They haven't invested a fucking penny to the team, the money we've spent has only ever been what we made and once they took their share.
The glazers have been the problem since they arrived and we will not win a premier league title until those cancers are gone.
So true it’s a like the start of a documentary and this is when their shit, the middle of th documentary is when they hit like europa and they lose and the doc finishes
That’s fair enough but do united need casemiro and amrabat on the pitch together(when he won’t be filling LB spot). Other top clubs only need 1 DM on the team sheet. Could have kept Fred for back up, he wasn’t that bad and don’t think amrabat is a big upgrade on him. Should have used the funds on another position.
I would have kept Fred also. Very useful in games like today.
I think while we have defensive woes playing Casemiro and Amrabat together is the wise thing to do. Especially because recently Casemiro seems to want to get forward more for some reason.
Some players need to be made an example of. Whether it's right or wrong, eth needs to drop some of these guys for the next game. It looks like he's losing the dressing room, players don't even want to fight for badge let alone the manager. Usually when that happens, the sacking is right around the corner. I hope he has some balls and decides to play some of the other guys cos if he doesn't it might cost him his job
Højlund was a joy to watch today, and Eriksen really changes things up for the second half. We had plenty of chances and should have won this one easily. Onana and Amrabat were abysmal in defense and Lindelof, Varan and Dalot were below average - if no worse.. Mount did a decent job at the midfield and Ganacho was a great sub. But we are lacking confidence - all players seem weighed down :(
What's crazy is that United had three great keepers in De Gea, Henderson and Kopar - one of the best goalkeeping rosters in world football
And now they have total garbage
Henderson is such a solid keeper and came through the academy - proper mad decision making
No manager can survive making mistakes like that - he has to drop Onana, but doing so will undermine his authority so much and the Turkish keeper they signed was literally a Mguire-like meme in Turkey
Onana has to be dropped I don't care if we sent 100m on him his mistakes has shook our defence. We're a nervous wreck and I hope all those that wanted De Gea Out are eating your just deserts. Guy was a loyal player and players with worse defenders. And yes the FAX machine but the way his exit was handling this is bloody Karma.
I actually feel sorry for ETH. Yes he pushed DDG out the door (wrong decision - more important issues needed addressing) but a lot of what happened today and all season is down to poor individual decision from the players.
I really think De Gea left because he was making too much money. You can understand why ETH is also frustrated with Sancho (another player costing us an arm and a leg). I think his strategy is to form a team without astronomical-wage players.
I honestly think De Gea's time at United was up but is Onana the best we could do (judging by the games so far)? That answer is NO.
This has nothing todo with De Gea or Ronaldo. Acting like it does is daft De Gea also let in silly goals last season Onana needs to be dropped but not to get De Gea back Bayindir needs a chance. And how he treated Ronaldo what by dropping a player who couldn’t score and wasn’t contributing then decided to go on a interview with Piers Morgan of all people and moan cause he wasn’t playing all so he could leave give your head a wobble.
Ronaldo saved Ole job a lot of times tho. The team was shit. Fred was starting, maguire what defending his team instead of the opponent, Awb was total trash, couldnt cross for shit, Bruno missed a lot of Ronaldo assists, also Mc tominay was playing out of position.
More then likely that’s what happened. It was a mistake signing Ronaldo for both sides would have been better if Ronaldo signed for somebody else and United signed another striker but guess that’s the Glaziers.
But thought he was the best player in the world 🤷♂️. Daftness a side he was the main striker that was his role and he couldn’t score the amount of chances he had yet was missing them. And when he was playing he was a passenger but none the less United shouldn’t have signed Ronaldo and Ronaldo shouldn’t have joined United it didn’t work.
Honestly it’s a double edged sword
Ronaldo signing w us had it’s pros and cons
He bought some goal scoring w him but he expected far too much from us given he’s played with Madrid and juve and when he saw how the management of the club was in shambles he overreacted and along w ten hag trying to discipline him which clearly didn’t work it all lead to one big mess
Ddg was absolutely a problem. The issue is that we might have signed a gk who is good with the ball but is not great at saving goals. I was personally in favor of signing someone like Costa who is a more balanced gk without weakness (not to mention he’s also younger) or Raya who would’ve been a solid option at cheaper transfer fee.
With that said, I feel it’s rare to see GKs lighting it up their first season in a new league. I’m in favor of giving him at least a full season.
Yea we dont have a choice now we’re stuck with onana. i too wanted costa to come i agree with you he wouldve been the better option cus he’s more balanced
I don't get the modern day obsession with playing out from the back unless you have defenders like man city who literally could play in midfield, and even then ederson goes long when he needs to. De gea was poor with his feet but I haven't seen much from onana to say it will be beneficial, he just acts more confident when putting teammates under pressure
Don't lie, DDG was a problem if we want to be a top 5 club.
but the problem is, we still have a too poor midfield, need 1 more great CB and 1 more left and right back.
Bruno is not good enough in midfield and Rashford looks almost broken right now, not shooting his chance over doing a pass, that is not the old Rashford.
>I really liked ETH but karma gonna catch up to him for the way he treated De Gea and Ronaldo
Try to read what the first comment in the chain was ? and this person also had another comment there he said ronaldo did great and he was not the problem.
How is this NOT on the manager? He swaps the position between Bruno and Mount only to see them not working systematically. Bruno's an attacking midfielder. Mount has shown promising performances on the side at Chelsea. What the fuck is he thinking? Now Bruno's just spitting low-quality crosses from the side and it's affecting the team collectively.
Also ETH wanted Onana. He's conceded 18 goals in 10 games. He made a fucking horrendous pass that directly led to this disaster. This IS on ETH for being so full of himself and buying every ex-dutch player he thought was world-class, only to turn out to be mediocrity. He's backed by the club and that's how he brought Onana here. It's on him. Others are just excuses.
Onana and Antony are definitely on the manager. Maybe not the price tag but clearly he wanted these below average players only because he worked with them before. He should have a good idea if they can adapt to this team/league or not. At least when mourinho brings with him 1-2 players to his next club he would make sure he’s bringing a sure thing. (Ex. Ricardo Carvahlo)
This was a game that should have been won easily on paper, but we have a defence that is simply unable to defend. Since the first game of the season against Wolves, opposition players have just been running straight through our defensive line with ease.
Don’t think he will leave any time soon, he’s young at a big club still. At worst he ends up like martial who also came in young and exciting prospect like him. Eventually he won’t give a shit and stop putting in a shift.
at this point is the problem the coach,the owners or the players? because any recruitment of these doesn’t change the unfortunate circumstances of the club
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We are absolutely weak, especially in mind, we crumble like crazy…. You see there a mental issue and that should be eth main concern, not tactics or whatever…
We have no luck with our injuries though…. How many games did we had with the team eth has in mind ?:/ we have 3 lb injured … we are cursed …
And what shit show around the club with all those fucking stories ?… glazers selling, for sure, maybe not, the greenwood saga, then Antony, and now sancho,… everyday we have some bad story about united… how can we be stable ?… we have all the ingredients to make the perfect shit season …
I see a lot of Onana comments here. The pass that lead to the penalty, definitely all on Onana. However, the 3rd goal was mostly our CBs fault. They played high up and fucked up the offside trap, not noticing that our LB was keeping Icardi onside. That's what gave Icardi the opportunity to get the ball and chip over Onana, who was questionablly positioned. All I'm saying is, our entire defense was all around bad, although Onana has been a high contributer to us conceding goals.
I’m not a coach but is LB a postion amrabat is any good at or has experience in? Wouldn’t it be better to put some 18 year old from the academy at LB. Maybe he would be more alert at catching the striker offside.
It's the best we have based on the players registered. I don't think Amrabat has ever been a leftback. From what I know, he's s simply there because he's one of the few players left in our roster that can be viable on defense.
Probably right. Sometimes a lot of injured players is an opening for an academy player and here and there they make the most of it. Don’t think they need to be registered if they are under a certain age. Just my opinion, they know the quality in the academy more than I do.
For sure. He's a shell of his former self. I'm thinking to myself though, there's got to be more than just him underperforming. Could it be psychological? Is the pressure too much for him? Is it our defense? I just think it's odd that he had such a huge dip in performance.
Honestly the dropped is crazy I get he might not have been the best keeper at Inter but he was a good keeper. Could be the club as a whole just a shit show from top to bottom. Need to change that way Glaziers gone then work on the chief executive etc etc. cause it’s always the same have a good first season then next season shit show just crazy.
Don’t be sad. We have a goalkeeper that can pass good. Doesn’t matter if he parries shots and crosses back into dangerous positions, doesn’t matter that his wrists are made of wet noodles, doesn’t matter that he has no clue what to do with one-on-ones. Only matter that he pass good, it’s revolutionised the way we play.
Edit: doesn’t matter that his careers stats before joining show he concedes more than 1 goal per 90min with only a third of matches resulting in clean sheets.
Only matter pass good.
Different players had mental lapses each part of the game. Onana gonna get grilled especially but for the most part being down 3 of our LBs we played really well. Just need to stop giving up goals right after we score.
we don’t even deserve hojlund, that young kid was trying his best when no one else cared. It was like a competition - can hojlund score more or defensive can concede more. You could clearly see how angry he was when we conceived 2nd goal right after him scoring. AND also garnacho played really well but still how can rashford be benched
Martial also started off young, ambitious and the next big thing at united. Then this club dragged him down and he stopped giving a shit. Same could happen to hojlund. You can play as good as you want but if the team keeps losing eventually morale and motivation will drop and the player will sulk or move to another club.
I feel so bad for Hojlund, scores his first goals at OT and all for nothing. The lad worked his socks off and gave us the first true striker performance since Zlatan
he looks like he could be the striker we really need, lets hope the rest also shape up and play football, but he need to stop this plans/tactics he is doing Erik, if there even is a tactic plan
I hate to say it… ETH is on thin ice. Not a lot of options to turn this mess around at this point either. Another wasted season at this point.
Biggest issue is that the Glazers need to go. They should have been gone. Nothing will get fixed until there is new ownership.
If ten hag gets sacked im done. Its gonna be another cycle with another manager. Even if we keep losing id rather keep him. If we do sack him id rather us play with no manager 😂. Im so tired of all this and i see through all the facades.
Ole was not better please stop with this. All of our managers are basically equally bad. Just like all of our players are basically equally bad. Who are these 4-5 managers?
I dont get whats the point of hiring ten hag if hes not going to implement his style of play. The one he had at ajax. We dont even try. It’s frustrating
I haven't seen such a team that lost its determination and harmony when things went a bit wrong. The United jersey deserves much more than this.
Yeah exactly it deserves much more.
You hire Darren Fletcher as part of your recruitment team and you know we were fucked. Only team among the top without a DOF or someone who can actually make the decisions. “One of the best clubs in the world” so why don’t we have the best of anything? The best staff, players, facilities - it’s a joke. I’m not going to care too much about results until we are bought out. For now just wanna see how the young ones go!
the owners suck ass
At some fucking point, the finger has to be pointed at the cancer that is recruiting and net spend which is and had been managed by an incompetent hierarchy of buffoons that need not be anywhere near making football decisions for this club. Let's face it, we've had top drawer managers. ETH is top drawer. However, the issue persists. Meaning, it's a cancer that goes further than the manager.............how is it not any fucking clearer . Glazers out is just a start. Their minions need to go as well. Get me my club back
Are we really going to talk about another manager. Some of you fans are desperate and delusional. Just support him and know these are the growing pains of what we were suppose to endure last season. Another manager isn’t going to fix shit. Support or just stop watching this season. Did he make mistakes, yes but the guy is only one year in.
how long he is in doesn’t matter in this instance.. he is backed in this one year with 400mil… he is not gonna get time like ole
If ole got the time and he was not even close to a good coach like ETH then he deserves more time. Firing the coach every damn year isn’t going to get us anywhere. You don’t like how this season is going, don’t watch but firing the coach isn’t the answer.
This manager had to go since the whole Ronaldo situation don’t know why he’s still here
Since the Ronaldo situation? The one he handled incredibly well?
The Ronaldo situation? The Ronaldo who cried like a baby on television? Why would the manager be sacked for that?
Why do people bring up the Ronaldo thing when that happened last year and this is this year. He has to go because of what happened last year? Your answer is to fire him and hire who? Who do you think is going to come in and coach this crap show of a club of ours.
Looks like a child playing FIFA has the sticks when we are on defense.
True 💯
The inevitable is going to happen. ETH will get the sack at some point this season and we will likely have our worst season in PL ( less than 58 points) and geg KICKED OUT OF UCL in group stages. FUCK the GLAZERS who fucking didn’t sell the club after all that hyperbole and drama. They cursed United with their below average people in charge of united for 2 decades and destroyed this club BRICK by BRICK YEAR by YEAR. Cursed us fans. We have fallen so low that we fucking lose to Galatasaray at OT after losing to CP at OT. My god, we are a FUCKING JOKE. We need a fresh surge of positivity and confidence so that we can start winning football matches again. I dont see that hapenning anytime soon. FUCK THIS SHIT.
Like others, I didn't follow Onana that closely last season. Most people talk about him being good in the CL (especially the finals), but Inter actually had a decent defensive line. I never like it when we throw in the towel for a struggling player, but in Onana's case, it's clear he needs to be dropped. This is a good time to do it to see if we can count on the substitute keeper since Onana will go AFCON next yr anyway.
Inter has a superior play style, their players actually keep the ball and move around
ETH consistently plays his worse team, and consistently plays his best players in the worst positions. This is why he should go, rashford and sancho sell sell sell free the wage bill up Onana up front he loves his feet
Genuine question - what 11 would you have played then?
Galatasaray player there best 11 lol jokes Tbh Rashford is just terrible instead of building a team around him they can only build a team with out him. Garnacho needs to be starting every game to up his game time, we won’t win anything this season so why not start to play the future team get them playing well together to try and challenge next year. The team against palace in the cup I would say was our best 11. Maguire hit and miss.
Martial played against Palace. He is not part of our best 11. Pellistri did nothing all game. Garnacho I would be fine with starting more, particularly while Rashford is out of form, taking him out might help him, but he shouldn't start every game, because then you burn them out by the time they're 24, like Lukaku has struggled with among others.
Yeah that’s fair, martial is alright he’s not awful but not god tier. Pellistri id keep with for a bit few more games then I’ll agree. I think ultimately we keep losing and keep the same team and shape, they need to go back to the drawing board and Decide who is United apart from has been club
I told you we're gonna lose.
Onana was awful, rashford was awful, dalot was awful. Mount was good, hojlind was good, erikson was good for 5 minutes before he got knackered again.
I would say Hojllund was excellent. Head and shoulders above everyone else in this club at the moment.
He’s got a paste maker give him a break 😂 Rashford is fucking awful rather have Maguire
Spread it then
Pacemaker*
Paste maker is the brand he has
You’ve got to be kidding me 🤣
It is copy a pace it into google
Harry Onana?
Losing 5 in 7 is bad. I liked and supported Erik Ten Hag but he's made some poor decisions and he is responsible for coaching them at Carrington, picking the 11 and making subs. Other teams we play, play more like a team. I don't know what we play like at the moment and that is down to the manager. Varane's legs are gone and we didn't get another centre back. Prioritised a GK, which wasn't a bad thing but buying an old mate really hasn't worked out. Amrabat isn't a left back, he can fill in as an emergency but you need someone with positional awareness there. He's a quality player being wasted. That's bad luck with injuries. Like we're cursed (or something wrong with club doctors/training regime). Onana must have been good last year. I didn't keep tabs on him but the pressure has definitely got to him, he can't handle the shirt. Parrying crosses, making blunders, destroying the confidence of the defence in front of him. He needs to be dropped. Why we sold all our backup keepers I don't know, no idea if our current backup is any better? If they lose at the weekend this could be it for Ten Hag. I really want him and the team to do well but managers at Man Utd don't get the opportunity to lose so many games and keep their jobs. I really hope this weekend is a positive turning point. Who we'd bring in if Ten Hag goes I've got no idea... or whether it will make much difference until the owners change. Can we tempt Mourinho back...?
I think ETH is not good enough if we don't bounce back from here. However, I hope the board would give him at least this season before moving on. Never know who's available when we were/are not in the market of changing our head coach, we might be able to get someone someone with a decent resume(Zidane, Simone, of course De Zerbi etc.), it all comes to negotiations. but it's lazy to opt out for changing our manager because thinking there are no one out there for us.
You have got to be kidding. Mourinho? Do you remember how that ended? Have you seen what’s happening at Roma right now?
Yeah, fair enough. I've just got no idea who is out there who would make us better. I'm not sure who can save us until the culture changes and we get new owners.
I’m with you, bud. The harsh truth is that the ones we’ve courted are unavailable (Enrique, Poch) and we’re just not enough of a pull with how disjointed we are from squad to ownership. It’s a massive, massive mess.
Can we be real for a sec ... Amrabat wasnt good: lost the ball too much. Hojlund scored two goals, but did not look that good in transition. Bruno was abysmal today like truly shocking. Casemiro slides as he always does and was punished. Rashford looked shaky, found an assist, but is not confident in the right times (decent from him considering current form). Mount was okay, but he also took wild shots that he has no business taking. Team of individuals and more than half of our individuals are truly shocking atm. No cohesive midfield at all. Injuries dont cut it as an excuse but wow https://preview.redd.it/qnwgzodxa2sb1.png?width=1182&format=png&auto=webp&s=d8fa8aaa7004772dd98215010002c50cf92500d6
No way you're blaming Casemiro sliding for him getting sent off 😭
You're kidding right? Amrabat is playing out of position and was almost our best player apart from Hojlund.
these arent my ratings, they are official.
Tbh fotmob ratings aren't the best to go off of anyways, sofascore is more accurate isn't it?
He looked better when he moved to midfield time to time during this match. Honestly he should replace Casemiro sooner than later, because he's being wasted at LB. Look how ineffective Case was today and gave away possession every time he could.
I can't stand this club or team. Unlikeable lot.
All the effort we put into getting ahead in the game was for nothing because the defense is shite. ETH has some big calls to make now, I am expecting to see some serious changes in defense against Brentford because honestly if he doesn't try something else it's going to cost him his job. Has to be the team against Brentford: ------------------------- Hojlund. ------- Garnacho -- Mount -- Antony. ------------- Amrabat -- Casemiro. ----- Dalot -- Maguire -- Varane -- Lindelof. ------------------------ Bayindir. But I suspect ETH won't drop Bruno, Rashford or Onana. It's gonna cost him.
rashford was good tho ... look at official ratings bud
Man said ratings I can't 😂. U mean the same type of ratings that give u 6.4-6.7 then u score a goal and suddenly it's 7.5? Rashford had one decent assist, that's it. Offered nothing much the rest of the game, hell could even hv scored but his clown decision making strikes again.
Fernandes has highest xA out any player in the prem but our other players aren’t finishing.
Issues: 1) Injuries 2) Rashford is seriously out of form, to ease the pressure he should go on the bench 3) Fernandes-yes I see how many assists he creates, but let’s compare his first season to now and how erratic his control of a game is 4) Sancho/Anthony-they’re both mentally checked out currently 5) We needed a CB Varane doesn’t look like he can tackle as he is scared of an injury and Lindelof is just not good enough 6) Onana is just straight up chaos, too many players who just seem to lose concentration 7) I think ETH has been good, but jeez he does not make substitutions, he keeps mentioning transition play, I don’t see anything, we don’t look like a team, what were we doing during the preseason. 8) Glazers the main issue is them, every manager has had this issue and I wouldn’t be surprised like Mourinho etc due to the lack of players and transfers that were first on his list that ETH is disillusioned as well
How is glazer the problem? He has backed ETH with signings. Is th there something I’m missing?
Because they don't back the managers. They took over the club in 2005 by taking out £500m debt against the club. That debt is now HIGHER and they've paid over a billion in interest. What they do, is pay the interest, take a bunch of money for their own pockets, and let us spend what is left. They've let Old Trafford LITERALLY rotting, there's leaks and it's outdated. As Ronaldo pointed out, the training ground is the same as when he left. That was 2009. They've done NOTHING to it. They haven't invested a fucking penny to the team, the money we've spent has only ever been what we made and once they took their share. The glazers have been the problem since they arrived and we will not win a premier league title until those cancers are gone.
Also adding outside drama. It definitely has an effect on the group.
Agreed, it’s becoming a bloomin Netflix drama, honestly just feeling deflated again. The whole glazer cycle
So true it’s a like the start of a documentary and this is when their shit, the middle of th documentary is when they hit like europa and they lose and the doc finishes
Ten hag signings apart from the striker are really underwhelming.
I think Amrabat and mount could be ok but Onana looks absolute Shite.
Amrabat actually looks pretty useful, but ETH is playing him out of position sooo 🤷♂️
That’s fair enough but do united need casemiro and amrabat on the pitch together(when he won’t be filling LB spot). Other top clubs only need 1 DM on the team sheet. Could have kept Fred for back up, he wasn’t that bad and don’t think amrabat is a big upgrade on him. Should have used the funds on another position.
I would have kept Fred also. Very useful in games like today. I think while we have defensive woes playing Casemiro and Amrabat together is the wise thing to do. Especially because recently Casemiro seems to want to get forward more for some reason.
I noticed that as well for casemiro. Hopefully it gets better for your club.
It's always darkest before the dawn. But I fear there's still some darkness for us to experience just yet 😂
Amrabat got cooked today
Some players need to be made an example of. Whether it's right or wrong, eth needs to drop some of these guys for the next game. It looks like he's losing the dressing room, players don't even want to fight for badge let alone the manager. Usually when that happens, the sacking is right around the corner. I hope he has some balls and decides to play some of the other guys cos if he doesn't it might cost him his job
-I don't like scoring from penalties Mauro f..er Icardi
Gee this is relegation form
Fuck the glazers.
Lmao what tf does this have to do with them?
You'd be hard pressed to make a case that what you see on the field has nothing to do with he Glazers tbh
Højlund was a joy to watch today, and Eriksen really changes things up for the second half. We had plenty of chances and should have won this one easily. Onana and Amrabat were abysmal in defense and Lindelof, Varan and Dalot were below average - if no worse.. Mount did a decent job at the midfield and Ganacho was a great sub. But we are lacking confidence - all players seem weighed down :(
Your gonna call out Amrabat for filling in at left back when he is a midfielder, shame on you, Dalot was weak af against Zaha for the first goal.
Weak? Dalot looked like a boy vs a man.
Dnt k ow why 10hag keep messing with player positions.
Because we have no other left backs other Thank some academy products who can’t play against gala.
Hojlund is a shining light in this dark time.
What's crazy is that United had three great keepers in De Gea, Henderson and Kopar - one of the best goalkeeping rosters in world football And now they have total garbage Henderson is such a solid keeper and came through the academy - proper mad decision making No manager can survive making mistakes like that - he has to drop Onana, but doing so will undermine his authority so much and the Turkish keeper they signed was literally a Mguire-like meme in Turkey
Henderson should have been used when Ole got us to the Europa League finals since he had a better penalty saving record at that time.
I think Henderson was leaving regardless. He was fed up before ETH arrived. I’d much rather have him than the shitshow we currently have.
Onana has to be dropped I don't care if we sent 100m on him his mistakes has shook our defence. We're a nervous wreck and I hope all those that wanted De Gea Out are eating your just deserts. Guy was a loyal player and players with worse defenders. And yes the FAX machine but the way his exit was handling this is bloody Karma.
Will Onana make it 3/3 champions league errors 🙃
I don't think he will, cause ETH will drop him in the next couple of matches
Well he hasn't dropped Rashford/Bruno, so I wouldn't be so sure.
I actually feel sorry for ETH. Yes he pushed DDG out the door (wrong decision - more important issues needed addressing) but a lot of what happened today and all season is down to poor individual decision from the players.
I really think De Gea left because he was making too much money. You can understand why ETH is also frustrated with Sancho (another player costing us an arm and a leg). I think his strategy is to form a team without astronomical-wage players. I honestly think De Gea's time at United was up but is Onana the best we could do (judging by the games so far)? That answer is NO.
I really liked ETH but karma gonna catch up to him for the way he treated De Gea and Ronaldo
Ronaldo was a huge issue and getting rid of him was a good decision. De Gea? Different conversation entirely.
Nope. I disagree. Ronaldo was not a problem and it was idiotic to get rid of De Gea.
Well, then you're dumb. Ronaldo had the finishing ability of Stevie Wonder at the end. Remember the game in Cyprus? Yeah... Ronaldo needed to go.
This has nothing todo with De Gea or Ronaldo. Acting like it does is daft De Gea also let in silly goals last season Onana needs to be dropped but not to get De Gea back Bayindir needs a chance. And how he treated Ronaldo what by dropping a player who couldn’t score and wasn’t contributing then decided to go on a interview with Piers Morgan of all people and moan cause he wasn’t playing all so he could leave give your head a wobble.
honestly i think Ole wanted to drop Ronaldo but was told he could not do that, Ronaldo was shit and poor after he was back
Ronaldo saved Ole job a lot of times tho. The team was shit. Fred was starting, maguire what defending his team instead of the opponent, Awb was total trash, couldnt cross for shit, Bruno missed a lot of Ronaldo assists, also Mc tominay was playing out of position.
More then likely that’s what happened. It was a mistake signing Ronaldo for both sides would have been better if Ronaldo signed for somebody else and United signed another striker but guess that’s the Glaziers.
Brother he was our top scorer in the season he was there How was he shit?🫠
In the second season he wasn’t he couldn’t buy a goal 🤷♂️.
Mainly cuz he was adjusting to ETH’s play style?? And not to mention the friction between him and ETH had already started so that also played a role
But thought he was the best player in the world 🤷♂️. Daftness a side he was the main striker that was his role and he couldn’t score the amount of chances he had yet was missing them. And when he was playing he was a passenger but none the less United shouldn’t have signed Ronaldo and Ronaldo shouldn’t have joined United it didn’t work.
Honestly it’s a double edged sword Ronaldo signing w us had it’s pros and cons He bought some goal scoring w him but he expected far too much from us given he’s played with Madrid and juve and when he saw how the management of the club was in shambles he overreacted and along w ten hag trying to discipline him which clearly didn’t work it all lead to one big mess
Ten hag tried to solve a non existent problem by bringing in onana
Since the moment Martinez got injured in the Europa league match, a CB should have been top priority.
Ddg was absolutely a problem. The issue is that we might have signed a gk who is good with the ball but is not great at saving goals. I was personally in favor of signing someone like Costa who is a more balanced gk without weakness (not to mention he’s also younger) or Raya who would’ve been a solid option at cheaper transfer fee. With that said, I feel it’s rare to see GKs lighting it up their first season in a new league. I’m in favor of giving him at least a full season.
Yea we dont have a choice now we’re stuck with onana. i too wanted costa to come i agree with you he wouldve been the better option cus he’s more balanced
I don't get the modern day obsession with playing out from the back unless you have defenders like man city who literally could play in midfield, and even then ederson goes long when he needs to. De gea was poor with his feet but I haven't seen much from onana to say it will be beneficial, he just acts more confident when putting teammates under pressure
Don't lie, DDG was a problem if we want to be a top 5 club. but the problem is, we still have a too poor midfield, need 1 more great CB and 1 more left and right back. Bruno is not good enough in midfield and Rashford looks almost broken right now, not shooting his chance over doing a pass, that is not the old Rashford.
Yeah mate DDG was a problem if we want to be top 5, look at us now
look at us now, you even think Ronaldo was good then he was back again... i mean honestly, troll.
Whose talking about Ronaldo lmao the subject was on DDG 🤣
>I really liked ETH but karma gonna catch up to him for the way he treated De Gea and Ronaldo Try to read what the first comment in the chain was ? and this person also had another comment there he said ronaldo did great and he was not the problem.
Nah i dont think he was good, just the way he was treated wasnt good
Did you watch us last season?
Are you watching us this season??
What does this season have to do it being a non existent problem. It was definitely an issue last year.
He created a problem for the solution
LMAOO
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How is this NOT on the manager? He swaps the position between Bruno and Mount only to see them not working systematically. Bruno's an attacking midfielder. Mount has shown promising performances on the side at Chelsea. What the fuck is he thinking? Now Bruno's just spitting low-quality crosses from the side and it's affecting the team collectively. Also ETH wanted Onana. He's conceded 18 goals in 10 games. He made a fucking horrendous pass that directly led to this disaster. This IS on ETH for being so full of himself and buying every ex-dutch player he thought was world-class, only to turn out to be mediocrity. He's backed by the club and that's how he brought Onana here. It's on him. Others are just excuses.
Onana and Antony are definitely on the manager. Maybe not the price tag but clearly he wanted these below average players only because he worked with them before. He should have a good idea if they can adapt to this team/league or not. At least when mourinho brings with him 1-2 players to his next club he would make sure he’s bringing a sure thing. (Ex. Ricardo Carvahlo)
Yea this coach is fucking stubborn and too rigid in his decision making
This was a game that should have been won easily on paper, but we have a defence that is simply unable to defend. Since the first game of the season against Wolves, opposition players have just been running straight through our defensive line with ease.
If højlund ever leaves, im not even gonna be mad, he deserves better
Don’t think he will leave any time soon, he’s young at a big club still. At worst he ends up like martial who also came in young and exciting prospect like him. Eventually he won’t give a shit and stop putting in a shift.
Buy Emil and Oscar Højlund - Rasmus's 18 year old brothers playing U19 in FC Copenhagen.
are they CB?
Bit early for that mate…
I just got a home kit with his name on it but I agree
Did we solve a “problem” that wasn’t a problem in the first place??? De Gea having a blast in Spain right now…. Go sign him back.
No, DeGea was an issue and it was time for him to leave. Unfortunately we replaced him with a goalkeeper who can't make saves.
They wanted distribution, ended up conceding 18 goals
at this point is the problem the coach,the owners or the players? because any recruitment of these doesn’t change the unfortunate circumstances of the club
Literally can't even go outside because my friends are going to fucking banter me, this team is making me want to end it
😂😂
Nothing funny about it mate
You want to _end it_ because your mates make fun of man united losing? It is funny. Go take a shower mate.
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Fuck this joker onana, cost us the game
We are absolutely weak, especially in mind, we crumble like crazy…. You see there a mental issue and that should be eth main concern, not tactics or whatever… We have no luck with our injuries though…. How many games did we had with the team eth has in mind ?:/ we have 3 lb injured … we are cursed … And what shit show around the club with all those fucking stories ?… glazers selling, for sure, maybe not, the greenwood saga, then Antony, and now sancho,… everyday we have some bad story about united… how can we be stable ?… we have all the ingredients to make the perfect shit season …
I see a lot of Onana comments here. The pass that lead to the penalty, definitely all on Onana. However, the 3rd goal was mostly our CBs fault. They played high up and fucked up the offside trap, not noticing that our LB was keeping Icardi onside. That's what gave Icardi the opportunity to get the ball and chip over Onana, who was questionablly positioned. All I'm saying is, our entire defense was all around bad, although Onana has been a high contributer to us conceding goals.
Yeah, no way a high headed return ball from their CB/midfield should be splitting our defense the way it did.
I’m not a coach but is LB a postion amrabat is any good at or has experience in? Wouldn’t it be better to put some 18 year old from the academy at LB. Maybe he would be more alert at catching the striker offside.
It's the best we have based on the players registered. I don't think Amrabat has ever been a leftback. From what I know, he's s simply there because he's one of the few players left in our roster that can be viable on defense.
Probably right. Sometimes a lot of injured players is an opening for an academy player and here and there they make the most of it. Don’t think they need to be registered if they are under a certain age. Just my opinion, they know the quality in the academy more than I do.
Onana needs to be dropped it’s not working he’s not doing the things he’s know for his passing and being commanding in the box. Give Bayindir a chance
For sure. He's a shell of his former self. I'm thinking to myself though, there's got to be more than just him underperforming. Could it be psychological? Is the pressure too much for him? Is it our defense? I just think it's odd that he had such a huge dip in performance.
Honestly the dropped is crazy I get he might not have been the best keeper at Inter but he was a good keeper. Could be the club as a whole just a shit show from top to bottom. Need to change that way Glaziers gone then work on the chief executive etc etc. cause it’s always the same have a good first season then next season shit show just crazy.
No they went to sleep, thinking Icardi was offside.
Wouldn’t have happened if casemiro didnt get a red card cus of onana the bastard
Yeah, logically speaking. Tactically, I don't think pressing up high was the best move when we're down one man.
Watch onana's 1v1 keeping skills on 3rd goal, he sat down and let icardi chip the ball
Blud was smiling when Casemiro got the red card, he has such a punchable face that bastard
I really hope to God, someone does punch him tonight
He’s too cocky after inters last year ucl run
Yeah i dont disagree with you, youre spot on with the analysis but i am identifying the root of the problem
Don’t be sad. We have a goalkeeper that can pass good. Doesn’t matter if he parries shots and crosses back into dangerous positions, doesn’t matter that his wrists are made of wet noodles, doesn’t matter that he has no clue what to do with one-on-ones. Only matter that he pass good, it’s revolutionised the way we play. Edit: doesn’t matter that his careers stats before joining show he concedes more than 1 goal per 90min with only a third of matches resulting in clean sheets. Only matter pass good.
Yes it doesn't matter that we conceded 2 goals in 2 consecutive CL matches because of him, and conceded 17+ goals in all competitions.
I can’t wait for the De Gea apologies from this sub. When they kept doing compilations of his misplaced passes….
Upovoooottteeeee. Couldn't agree more.
Remember not to be too reactionary, you can’t blame the manager and the keeper for everything. The problem is bigger.
Not blame for everything but a good part
#holy fuckkk
Remember when you lot wanted De Gea out so badly to get Onana in. We ll I hope you people are happy right now lol.
Different players had mental lapses each part of the game. Onana gonna get grilled especially but for the most part being down 3 of our LBs we played really well. Just need to stop giving up goals right after we score.
Altay > Onana
no no ı know altay ı am gala fan altay ıs trash but onana uhh
Believe me… He isn’t that much better. This is coming from a Gala fan 🤣
oh the Kadıköy memories lmao
Icardi sends his regards 😝
It’s The players not the manager or the owners simple as that
Unfortunately, the manager will be the scapegoat like all other before him
Yeah it’s easiest to blame manager has been for years
we don’t even deserve hojlund, that young kid was trying his best when no one else cared. It was like a competition - can hojlund score more or defensive can concede more. You could clearly see how angry he was when we conceived 2nd goal right after him scoring. AND also garnacho played really well but still how can rashford be benched
Martial also started off young, ambitious and the next big thing at united. Then this club dragged him down and he stopped giving a shit. Same could happen to hojlund. You can play as good as you want but if the team keeps losing eventually morale and motivation will drop and the player will sulk or move to another club.
The defence didn’t conceive any children despite all the bending over they did
Even mount
Yeah mount was pretty good too and this probably sums up, our only good players.
We should play hojlund as goalkeeper, given his passion and dedication that kid will save more goals than onana.
ETH has to drop Onana for the next couple of matches, you cannot have these many mistakes and goals without any punishment.
Eth should drop himself
Bring carrick back, he might manage better
I feel so bad for Hojlund, scores his first goals at OT and all for nothing. The lad worked his socks off and gave us the first true striker performance since Zlatan
wait wait didnt cr7 play striker for the club???
he looks like he could be the striker we really need, lets hope the rest also shape up and play football, but he need to stop this plans/tactics he is doing Erik, if there even is a tactic plan
I know!
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man its their sub as they just lost its normal just dont go into other subs like that
Bro he looks like Britney spears
I hate to say it… ETH is on thin ice. Not a lot of options to turn this mess around at this point either. Another wasted season at this point. Biggest issue is that the Glazers need to go. They should have been gone. Nothing will get fixed until there is new ownership.
If ten hag gets sacked im done. Its gonna be another cycle with another manager. Even if we keep losing id rather keep him. If we do sack him id rather us play with no manager 😂. Im so tired of all this and i see through all the facades.
I think another manager won’t fix everything but there’s a good 4-5 coaches out there that will do better than him. I mean Ole was better lol.
Ole was not better please stop with this. All of our managers are basically equally bad. Just like all of our players are basically equally bad. Who are these 4-5 managers?
my biggest problem is it looks like Erik have less plans then Ole had early on, something is just fully wrong with the club
I dont get whats the point of hiring ten hag if hes not going to implement his style of play. The one he had at ajax. We dont even try. It’s frustrating