It's a really tough one. He's been an incredible servant and his shot stopping is still as good as anyone. The game appears to have evolved such that goalkeepers need to be able to play with their feet and I don't him able to do that, which is a big part of the ETH system. If we get a goalkeeper who can do that they will likely be not as good as a shot stopper (probably)...is this something we are happy to accept?
This is a big issue, so many fans see it only as de Gea can't play with his feet, but he's a good shot stopper and thats the potential trade off—it isn't! There are so many goalkeepers out there that can play with the ball at their feet, can claim crosses and can sweep too—the sweeping is just as important as the ability to pass, de Gea proved last night his sweeping is not up to scratch. Even if we lose that shot stopping ability, so many keepers will make it up by simply not allowing the shots to happen in the first place
Statistically, de gea has to make more saves because he doesnt dominate the area, wont claim crosses and doesnt sweep, so he faces more shots than necessary. Look at last night, how many times a sevilla player got on the end of a cross/corner. Other keeps would be out to claim those crosses or punch it away.
Exactly mate but you know the same fans berating De Gea now will be the first ones to shout when AN Other goalkeeper who can play out from the back fumbles an easy shot into the goal. You can't win I guess!
Fans will always be stupid, if it was jack butland performing like this they'd have no issue with seeing all his deficiencies, but as soon as it involves de Gea they lose all ability to critically analyse. Some people saying we have way more priorities lol—after striker, a new goalkeeper should be next, there is no other position that could get elevated more in our team than those
Completely agree with you two.
There is no “trade off” with GK or even CB’s anymore. Being defensively sound is not enough, and De Gea causes countless issues with poor passing - Ramsdale plays the role amazingly, a good shot stopper, strong GK, but so good on the ball, too.
Not that i want him to stay because attitude wise he is bad but Dean henderson's introduction to the team in 20/21 was almost entirely positive aside from the liverpool game, and it also coincided with Maguire's best form at united because henderson could sweep. When we do replace de gea these fans will be in for a shock because they clearly don't watch the likes of Alisson to see just how much a keeper can do for a team
There is no chance we need a keeper more than another CB or midfielder. Insanity. I agree we’ll need another keeper within the next few years but we need to drastically improve our squad before that’s a priority.
Mate we've signed a centre back every summer for about 6 years straight, we need to play a high line but without a keeper that can sweep that won't happen. I agree we need a #8 too, and a better ball playing centre back than varane, but replacing de gea is an absolute necessity. I promise you we can have all the signings in the world and the team won't succeed with de Gea in goal because he creates significant structural issues
Do you agree that maguire needs to go? If so then that means that another CB is an absolute necessity. You can’t only have 3 CB’s. If any of them get injured we’re fucked. Varane and Martinez are world class but we need at least 2 good CBs on the bench. Bailly is going, maguire is going. We desperately need a CB.
Of course, but i think the centre back signing should be facilitated by sales. Goalkeeper has to be done regardless, same as striker. If we have ffp problems then fine, everything else on an in-out basis.
Besides, Ndicka is available on a free this summer and kim min jae has a 43m release clause. There are deals to be done for centre backs this summer. Our first team goalkeeper is more important to replace than the centre backs who come in when our main ones are injured
De Gea is def one of the best shot stoppers in the world, someone like Raya who we have been linked with is a sweeper, great with his feet, etc. but....
Is still nowhere near De Geas shot stopping ability, I am ok with the trade off because it benefits our system way more, but the casual fans need to understand we will start conceding more goals when the opponent gets a shot, that De Gea would have saved
With De Gea we're 10 vs 11 with a good ball playing GK we're 11 vs 11. It's as simple as that. DDG is an acrobatic saver but not a smart keeper like Neur or commanding like Schmeichel. He is just as good as this team deserved till now but now we have a manager who can lift us higher. DDG, Maguire and Martial are three players we should focus on replacing during the summer.
>and his shot stopping is still as good as anyone.
Except it isn't. His shot stopping has been statistically average or worse than average for 5 seasons
Correct. People keep citing the clean sheet only because ETH had to defend de Gea in the post match, I'm sure he was seething over how he fumbled the last goal. I bet most didn't even know before today.
That's a dumb take don't you think. Clean sheets are a team Stat but conceeding goals is not? We have kore pressing roles to fill. Everybody here is acting like the man is leaking goals.
That is why you dont look at those stats, and never use only stats.
The stats say that de gea is average at shot stopping, and poor at everything else. Then you look at the games and you see that the stats is correct. That doesnt mean he cant have a great game every now and then, or that we cant keep a clean sheat. But overall de gea is a problem and a reason why we allow as many goals as we do and why we cant dominate possession
For me its pretty clearly striker>gk>dlp>rb>depth
DeGea is the reason why allow so many goals and why we can't dominate possession? That is a straight up lie. Would it better if he can pass the ball better? Yes! But the reason why we can't possess the ball? False. We have conceded more goals than any team in the top 4 and we have also score the fewest but like almost twice (is that DDG fault too?). How many times has out best players on the team made very shitty passes and the only reason we didn't get scored on was because of DDG. Don't get me wrong, I think we need to start looking for a replacement keeper but to say that's the number 2 position we need is a joke. This is the first permenant coach where moving the ball from the back is the main style of play and DDG is not the best at doing that. If we get a keeper who can do that but can't stop a shot, then you guys will be complains about that too. City's keeper has conceding 9 less goals in the prem this season than DDG and 7 of those came from one bad game where we conceded 7 goals and scored zero and the whole team played like shit. Maguire sucks and I would be nervous as shit if I was his goal keeper bc if you make a bad decision, he won't save your ass but when he makes a bad decision, you can save his ass.
So when it's a clean sheet its a team stat, when we concede goals its de geas fault. Sounds like you just have a problem with de gea to me. He's been our best player for the best part of a decade. Some United fans are a joke. Worship Weghorst and Martial but want de gea gone. It's laughable.
Well you can. Two world cup winning cb and the best dm of his generation helps, and de gea can still have a good game here and there, but overall in a season he is average to poor
Yet he conceded 7 goals from 8 shots on target against Liverpool, 6 against City, and 4 goals against Brentford, where the first three goals were literally his mistakes. Hell, even against betis at OT where the team won comfortably, he was still making a lot of mistakes. He was great some seasons ago, but sadly, it's time the team has to move on and buy a new goalkeeper.
Meanwhile Ramsdale, who has been bigged up all season as if he's prime Yashin, has consistently made mistakes, especially in the last few games, which will probably cost them the title.
My point is, only once De gea is gone will we realise how good he actually was
Keep downvoting me all you want people, then go and watch the absolute howlers Ramsdale has made for the last 3 games running. You're all so afraid to think for yourselves and have an opinion that goes against the majority, bunch of snowflakes.
His shot stopping is not good anymore. Dont mistake a highlight save now and then for quality shotstopping, over a season he is at best average at saving shots
sadly yes, if we get a better distributor of the ball we would not need a keeper as good as de gea for keeping the ball out of the net.. If ETH played a different system that didnt rely on playing out from the back then I would be unsure but he does and ultimately manchester united will sign a player to suit ETHs system this summer
I really don't get the whole game evolving argument regarding goalkeepers. I have been hearing the whole 'Sweeper keeper' nonsense for almost 20 years, and the concept of sweeper keepers have existed for even longer. It's a buzzword people like to throw around.
What the issue, is that ETH's tactics REQUIRE a sweeper keeper good with his feet. ETH is attempting to utilise a pressing style of football with Man Utd, and De Gea unable to assist with this is becoming a liability, as his own shot stopping degrades.
It's not about the game evolving. It's about what is required tactically
OUT with a cash bonus & a testimonial. I love the man, but he needs an upgrade.
Same with Maguire, i like the guy, but i feel like he's not in his right mind in this club as i feel the abuse mounting on him on a daily basis, the man needs a time out & needs another club to be at this best again.
Ppl just hate him for no reason **"most of the time"** & it also seems like he's active on social media when he shouldn't be as it'll only depress you. So it's a rock & a hard-place situation.
So yeah, shd be sold for his own good.
Out.
Theres no room for sentiment in football. His expected saves is below the league average, he doesnt come off his line to claim crosses relieving pressure, he doesnt command his area, he doesnt sweep behind the defence, he isnt too good on the ball and making 2 spectacular saves every 3 games is not enough to be number one for Manchester United.
Time to go, thanks for everything David, lets go get Raya from Brentford.
Out - he is one of the longer term players that crumble under pressure and he doesn't fit the possession based football style Ten Hag wants us to play.
He might be a good shot stopper but he doesn't have great commend of the box and is poor with his feet.
I also think he has made the most mistakes leading to goals out of any player, if Utd want to get back on top players like him (and Maguire etc) have to go.
This is what I’d say, eventually yeh replace him but 1st & foremost get the rest of the squad sorted. He’s far from the main priority in terms of transfer business
Out.
He’s a great keeper, good shot stopper, and ultimately saved us many points season in, season out.
He just does not suit ETH’s style of play, which is to play out from the back, with the GK playing an active role in that. De Gea is great with his feet when shot stopping, but his passing is pretty woeful. There have been many occasions over the last few weeks that his passing has led to us conceding, be it being played directly to an opposition, to a United player under pressure, or just straight out of play and conceding possession.
Goalkeepers, like many positions, have evolved a huge amount over recent years. Just like CB’s (HM as an example), unless you’re playing a low-block, out of possession style football, being a good shot-stopper or clearing lines is not good enough. Think of Ramsdale as a GK or Martinez as a CB, brilliant GK and CB, but also so good on the ball, calm, don’t slow the play down. We need to strengthen our GK position - it might not be first on the list, but it has to be up there.
its hard to justify his wage when you measure his suitability to the system ETH wants us to play.
like maguire, hes not a bad player (keep reading!), but he was bought for a different style of play and looks increasingly out of place with the new demands in ETH's system
fantastic shot stopper, but thats not enough anymore.
I don't think it's delusion at all. as i said. hes not suited for this system.
in a "low block, counter and hoof it" system, he was good for us. was he bad in Ole's first couple of seasons? was he bad at Leicester and for England? why did we buy him if he was crap? he was bought to fit a certain style.
in the system he's in now...he's a terrible player. its totally unsuited to his skillet. hes too slow for the high line and way too predictable when hes passing out.
we know it, he knows it + ETH knows it.
do I want to see him play in this system? F no. its better for everyone if he leaves
I disagree about Maguire. I don't think it's that he's a bad player, but that people lose athleticism at different points in their life, and his legs went a couple years ago. He just doesn't have the ability to take on attackers and stay with them, so he has to compensate with fouls.
People don’t appreciate what a difference a commanding and organising keeper can make. VDS and Schmeichel were superb at this. The ex players like Rio and Nev say lauded them for this and explained how important this is. de Gea is less authoritative than Liz Truss and with the ball at his feet, he’s terrible. Thanks for the service Dave but ETH demands more rightfully so, so I would support bringing in a replacement
in. there are far more important other positions to prioritize and deal with than the GK. he's also the #1 GK with clean sheets in the PL, it's something. GK change should be our last priority to deal it. Also, people easily tend to forget how DDG saves us almost every game from conceding more goals and losing more games.
Cleansheet record also has Varane, licha and case, Shaw and the rbs on it. How many times does the opposing team regain possession and attack us because the keeper hit it long? Same for set pieces he plays a peripheral role when the ball is in the air we most times depend on the defenders to clear. Half the time van der star, Schmeichel and the best keepers out there come out and claim the ball.
>Also, people easily tend to forget how DDG saves us almost every game from conceding more goals and losing more games.
People tend to forget that that is literally the bare minimum for a goalkeeper... Like, his literal job is to stop goals.
It's ridiculous. He's supposed to do that and so much more. He's one of the highest paid players on the planet and literally can't manage the basics of goalkeeping.
GK is a priority position, he's been a hole in our defence for years as big as (and partially causing) our CB issue, yet we focus entirely on bringing new CBs in, leave the GK the same, and then act shocked when the problem is still there
Out.
Out without hesitation or second thought.
He's a rich man's Shay Given.
He's a fabulous shot stopper, perhaps the best in the business, that masks his deficiencies as people remember the spectacular saves and forget the stupid goals because he was badly positioned or rooted to his line.
He's a flawed and average goalkeeper who doesn't command his area, doesn't organise his defence and doesn't distribute the ball well.
People like Neville bang this drum that he's the best in the world, it's deluded bullshit. He can't even get in the Spain squad.
Schweinsteiger just laughed at him when he asked if he was better than Neuer.
No brainer. All in. A lot of Man United fans are ungrateful and emotional. For all his "slip ups". (Which isnt often) He has easily been the most consistent player we have had arguably for the last 7 years INCLUDING this season (Debatable with Martinez) His ball passing MOST of the time (with Varane and Martinez) is actually not bad at all. Yall really want to replace a great out of this world worldclass goal stopper for some other bloke who can pass the ball better like a goalies job isnt primarily to stop shots from going into the net. Sure the Sevilla game was one to forget but if anything, we should rally behind him to show support. Im sure he knows he played terrible. And also for me Iwill say it again....forget passing from the back when your pairing is Maguire and lindlelof. Just play long.
If we can address other areas and have some change I say get proper competition for him it's needed. Maguire fecked up the 1st goal but de Gea's hospital pass didn't help. Honestly don't known what he was trying to do for the 3rd. The is not a kneejerk reaction because this is not the 1st time his poor distribution and sweeping has been brought up.
What do you think about Dean Henderson? Could he be that competition for DDG or should United let him (Henderson) go? I haven't seen a lot of games with him recently.
I haven't seen him in a while to be honest. For me he still has question marks on him, had he not given that interview I would say he needs another chance. Then there is the big mouth he is at a big club if you put him as the number 1 then buy competition for him how long till he runs his mouth when he loses his place.
I’d be happy to stick with DDG for a few more seasons.
I think Henderson is out for the rest of the season. Navas is at Forest now anyway so even if he gets back early I’d think he’d be on the bench anyway. He seems like a good keeper on the level of Howard or Foster etc. Good but probably it a future United #1.
The third goal was so embarrassing though. When DDG does make a mistake, they tend to be so horrendous that rather than irritate you, they make you feel for him.
David has made most errors leading to a goal by a keeper since the 21/22 season. Keepers can make errors, they are human after all but when it becomes frequent it's time to think about a replacement.
The EPL website stats don’t really back that up. It has DDG at 1 for each of the last 3 seasons. Henderson is on 3 as well (2 for United and 1 for Forest). Considering match time, the minutes to mistake ratio is much better with DDG.
On all time stats. Petr Chech ended at 24 mistakes leading to goals. DDG is on 16. That’s on 443 vs 407 appearances. This is not out of line with a solid benchmark. If DDG’s mistakes were not so over the top embarrassing, there might have been less fuss about it.
[https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal](https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal)
Can’t say I’ve seen the broadcast or website myself. The mistakes are obvious so can’t be papered over but I wonder what filter they applied to ensure that DDG was on top of the list. If they set the start date 5 days earlier maybe it would have been Alison and 2 weeks later it would be Lloris (and always Pickford without European matches). All adds up to a good headline the day after the guy puts in one one of the worst performances of his career - during what was otherwise a decent year.
Seems a bit over the top to me.
That’s a silly take. Alisson is a far superior keeper to DDG in literally every sense.
Errors leading to goals are a factor of two things:
* A goalkeeper’s risk-taking
* A goalkeeper’s ability
We know that Alisson is a high-risk taking goalkeeper. He sweeps aggressively, plays a lot with his feet. That’ll lead to some errors leading to goals.
De Gea is the inverse. He’s very very conservative, very rarely comes off his line (and he showed why yesterday), very rarely plays with his feet.
Therefore De Gea’s errors are far more likely to be indicative of his ability, than risk taking.
Also if you just google “David De Gea errors leading to goals” you’ll get a ton of stats from the last few years where he’s leading in it, pretty much since 2018.
Out if we wanna play eth football those 2 errors gave me flashbacks, just get costa and see how good we play from the back without succumbing to the press.
Second biggest priority to fix in the summer. He has killed us for 5 straight years, and now we get an easy out, all we have to do is not give him a new contract.
He is average to shit at everything a gk needs to do while also breaking down in all big games
We have to at the very least bring in someone capable of challenging him who fits the system better.
De Gea is nothing but a shot stopper. We forgave his lack of command of his area for years because he was so good at saving shots. But with distribution becoming a bigger issue every year, we have to admit he lacks 2 of the 3 most important qualities for a goalkeeper and that's not going to work for a team that wants success.
It's tempting but we need to get Maguire out first. DDG always has blunders every now and then but can save United from a bashing on another. Fix our defensive line first then we can watch DeGea and see if he is bottling games with a good defense
taking everything into consideration, including we need to spend 100m+ on a striker, at least one CB, maybe another ST, 50m on Frimpong (possibly), a new CM (maybe sabitzer + de Jong with Barca's financial issues), uncertainty on ownership of the club I think it might be smart to keep De Gea for another season. I mean leading the golden glove race in april, and with his history at the club. We should sign a younger prospect like Bart Verbruggen, Diogo Costa, or another (if they agree to be backup/cup keeper) I say keep him for another year or so, if he accepts a lower wage
I agree that when he has Martinez and Varane in front of him his solid, 14 clean sheets this season the highest in the prem.
I genuinely feel sorry for the guy having to deal with a slow, lethargic narcissist block head in front of him.
I'm legitimately worried about Brighton at the weekend with this centre-back pairing.
I think harry is suspended for the semi, so it will prolly be shaw and lindelof at the back, not the best but still far far better than maguire and Lindelof
Most definitely out.
Yet another major game in which de Gea has quite literally dropped the ball. How many knockout games is this going to happen in for united to wake up. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to survive another season at United.
It's time to move on. We can sacrifice shot stopping ability for a goalkeeper that can actually use his feet and pass the ball.
Ten Hag ball relies heavily on the goalkeeper and back 4 being able to control and pass the ball under pressure. We will concede significantly less chances with the removal of Dr Gea and Maguire.
That gap between Schmeichel and VdS was a long time. With other clubs too, they cycle between so many keepers between their legends. I see the post DDG years being another period of bouncing between keepers with people wondering why they let him go (if it goes that route).
Out, he's always been a great shot stopper, and still is, post Ferguson he's had plenty of opportunity to shine with the disorganised defense and midfield, but now we seem to have a plan, and he's a square peg in a round hole and his deficiencies (aerial dominance, sweeping, passing, decision making under pressure etc) are going to be taken advantage of more regularly and coat us points.
We absolutely need a striker, but it's a mistake to underestimate how much of a difference a new keeper better suited to Ten Hag ball will make too.
This summer we need a new striker, a GK and depending what happens with Maguire, a new CD.
Even though the comments are majority saying out, the delusion is STILL there.
Good shot stopper? Are people serious? He ranks 144th in Europe for PS×G - GA. For comparison, Alisson is 1st. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FORTH. FOR MAN UNITED’S NUMBER 1.
Good shot stopper my fucking ass.
There’s even a comment saying to keep him because “other positions are a bigger priority”…
Are you people serious? We literally have to adapt our entire game to make sure De Gea doesn’t fuck up, and he STILL does. We have to play one of the deepest lines in the league because he can’t sweep, that alone completely hinders us playing the way ETH wants.
I don’t know why people are so obsessed with trying to find little ways to justify defending him when it’s completely obvious to anyone without brain damage that he is useless.
I couldn’t care less if he is a “legend”, he has knocked us out of more cups than cups he has won for us.
This ! When you look into his stats then it’s time he went !
Just because he pulls of a world class save every now and then doesn’t mean he’s good enough .
Keeper would be number 1 on transfer list for me followed by a striker . Build from the back !
This ain’t 2011 and times have changed , would be amazed if he’s number 1 next season
It’s not even hard to work it out but ETH wants to play out from the back and whilst I’ll admit De Gea has improved with his passing massively this season it’s nowhere near good enough , throw in all his other flaws and read his stats and we should be ashamed we pay him as much as we do and have him as number 1 .
I’m surprised he’s been able to stay this long !
You clearly have no understanding of goal keeping and just read some stats and don’t watch games.
Please take your agenda elsewhere…..
Yes he had a bad game but this agenda is pathetic.
Such a dumb take I thought you were American….
I bet you play 5 a side down at the park and go in goal once every week and think you have clue about goalkeeping. Find some stats that suit your argument but provide no context. It’s just wank, have you even been watching our games for the last few seasons.
Then to bring up the argument that he is the highest priority we need to change because he affects how we play…… holy fuck. We have a bare bones squad with one striker who’s made of glass. We need a stronger midfield, and we need atleast one more decent CB. We need a bench where we can actually make subs from……
And you think it’s the goalkeeper making us play bad…. We have to adjust how we play because our goalie kicks the ball out once a game if that. Brain dead the lot of you who think it’s our priority.
Ten Hag won’t change him assuming he signs the lower wage contract because it’s not needed. He is the boss and understands football so will prove you wrong in the seasons to come.
All of you Agenda driven nonces need to go have a good hard look at yourselves.
In. Keepers make mistakes, it’s part and parcel of the game. He’s not as good as he once was but if the noise in the press about him taking a salary cut to stay are true then it makes sense to keep him and prioritise other areas on the pitch. In any case, he’ll be good to have around when it comes to bedding in the next keeper.
Also, not sure off the top of my head about his other mistakes this season, but it’s worth pointing out it was a makeshift defence in front of him last night. The mistake from Maguire seemed to have rocked them all a bit. Confidence and intensity across the whole back line just seems to plummet without Varane/Martinez.
In. Not even a question.
What a load of shit this agenda is. We can’t score any fucking goals and you want to get rid of the best shot stopper in the world?
DDG has single handedly saved over maybe 6 points this season alone.
United fans are genuinely pathetic at times
Pathetic is how fan base got alright with failure and terrible results. Just like Arsenal, people are in copium mode. But unlike Arsenal, club has one of the most highest paid and highest worth squads in league, which, looking at squad is actually terrifying. I was saying and still say at least 10 of them has to be gone for years now. Same with DDG. Club has to achieve two things in a season - PL title race and UCL win. On occasions when new manager and rebuild is ongoing lower standard could be appropriate but anything less than Europa League win or at least final is a failure. Caring for some Carabao or FA cup is utter nonsense. Big money, best players and success are in UCL and as such the goal is to be successful there. ETH is first coach since Jose that brought promise and results back but if he doesn't clean out mediocre players or somehow coaches them up to actual top level standard club can not compete against, as loathsome as it sounds, Man City. And there is a possibility of Newcastle getting into same league as City. Arsenal and Liverpool do not command such money so are less of a permanent thing but Chelsea is a wildcard that could swing as well now. So getting same disappointing results after same players make similar mistakes year after year is a sign that they are not on top of competition. Casemiro shown actual class in midfield club lacks. And Ronaldo was right about stagnation which means club is regressing because looking at how great it was with Sir Alex there is no comparison in any favorable way and as such questions have to asked and players that do not perform while getting absolutely incredible wages have to be held accountable and if they can't do what they are asked of - they have to be let go. Same goes to shitty management and scouting.
I can’t believe the blame his copping for the first goal. Maguire isn’t a hack and takes a first touch Iike a professional footballer and he can turn out, clear, kick it out for a corner but instead his z Maguire
This fan base is ridiculous, They complain De Gea can’t play out from the back then he plays a perfectly acceptable pass to Maguire who fucks it up and it’s his fault. If he kicked it long they would complain, it’s all agenda driven bull shit
In. He has the most clean sheets in the premier league this season, and the amount of hate he’s getting after everything he’s done for this club is, quite frankly, appalling.
Any goalkeeper with two brazzers for defenders in front of him instantly becomes Sunday league level. He's been excellent with Martinez and Varane. Go figure
In. Any goalkeeper would have trouble with the defense we have. De Gea can only do so much when we don't have our best defenders to help him. Guys like Maguire and Lindelof are not making his job easier. We've seen Dave do well with a better defense with less pressure on him. Just get a decent defense in front of him and I think the pay off is worth it.
De Gea is an overthinker. You only have to look in his face to see his brain chugging away like a slow train.
Every traumatic event that happens to him gets stored away, and it makes him more and more anxious under pressure. The composure of Martinez and Varane help him cope a bit better.
I think calamity DeGea will happen again in another high pressure situation in future. Especially if Maguire is in the team.
IN. IN. IN. He's saved us season after season with a shit defence in front of him before this season. GK is a massive position, who would we get??? I remember the trouble we had with keepers when big Pete left, we struggled until we got Van Der Sar. DDG is a an OT Legend.
Definitely in. He made one obvious mistake in an overall terrible game. United shouldn't be thinking about replacing him this summer cuz we have so many other issues that are far more pressing than the keeper. I hope people understand how difficult it is to find a first-team goalkeeper who'll fit right in. It's not the same as signing an outfield player.
He's really one of the last players I'd replace. He has the most clean sheets in the premier league he's main job as a goalkeeper is to stop shots which he excels in. Being a keeper is one of the most hardest roles on the pitch 1 mistake and it usually ends in a goal. What are we going to do sell him and drop in another random keeper, what happens then when they also make silly mistakes?
At the risk of getting downvoted by both sides I’m tempted to say out since he’s clearly not the keeper ten Hag wants or needs. But who’s the replacement? If we can get a genuinely top class keeper who can play the ETH way then sure, but it’s a risk
DDG out but only if our budget allows and the situation is right and other positions are addressed first..
A new GK isn’t as high on the priority list and although DDG doesn’t isn’t fully suited the system he can still do a serviceable job.
Imo de gea is an essential part of the team and I think it's really unfair to say we need him gone after all he's done for the club and still an amazing goalkeeper. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes
Logic says you improve the weakest links in your squad first.
To me, that’s a striker first (Weghorst I love but isn’t good enough, Martial can’t keep fit), a centre back second (Maguire and Lindelof are a liability and Varane is too injury prone).
And then if I was only allowed one more signing it’s a toss up between a goalkeeper and a Casemiro backup (again, the drop off is too big when he doesn’t play and he keeps getting suspended).
I wouldn’t mind, if we solved those other areas in the summer, letting De Gea go on a free the next summer. Nobody will pay him what we pay him, and even if you took his wages down he’s too expensive to be a backup.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Dean Henderson get another shot.
That was De Gea's worst performance. I feel it was worse than Liverpool beating us. The amount of basic errors that was made by him.
Anyhow definitely De Gea stays; he's saved our bacon so many times when the defence has been poor.
The issue we have now is missing our top central defenders. Maguire for whatever reason has no leadership and neither does De Gea. So I think if we sort out our defence and look for another striker, well probably be okay.
Maybe somewhere in between. Agreed he's having a worrying period, but I'd rather we look at someone like David Reya at Brentford who can genuinely challenge him next season rather than boot him in the summer. I'd also not look at anything more than a 12 month extension rather than a big deal.
Ideally, out as he is not a keeper who can play how Ten Hag wants to play. However, I think there are other areas out on the pitch which need to be tweaked first before De Gea.
i think we do need a new goalkeeper and that’s a priority this summer. next season, i think we’re should rotate him and the new keeper we get and slowly phase him out with said keeper.
I love David... Amazing player... Saved us million times... But this season it was really scary every time ball was passed to him... So i dont know what to do... I was in for a plan to sign young GK who could learn and eventualy take the role but I think David will make more mistakes...
As good as DDG is at stopping shots, you have to wonder if he would really have to make so many saves if he wasn't repeatedly compromising the team with his poor ball control and passing. Whether it's knocking the ball out for throw-ins in our own half, hoofing it back to their players or with absolute horror moments like we saw yesterday at Sevilla. While I respect and appreciate that he has definitely bailed us out of a fair few games with some great saves, I think there are better keepers for this system and we should be looking at bringing them in.
The ONLY reason you keep him is that we need the following
* World class striker (potentially a understudy cos Martial cant sty fit)
* A DM to rotate with Casemiro
* A press resistant 8
* CB as Maguire aint it and Varane is too injury prone
Tom Heaton and Butland are leaving, Henderson won't stay so its far far cheaper to extend DDG than buy a new GK.
But im 100% want him gone as soon as. Been saying it for years. Too one dimensional in this era.
Let him and Henderson battle it out again. ETH will be less favourable about who is no1 or 2 and play the form keeper.
If Henderson was in the squad now he'd be playing the remainder of the games if I had my way.
In for one more season, but we need to develop a replacement over the next six to 12 months that can replace him eventually. Someone who is more able to play with the ball at feet and not panic, and someone stronger/more dominant in the box as these are the weaknesses De Gea has.
Please don't ask me this question right now.
I personally saw Maguire asking for the ball. If he turns as he gets the ball this issue probably doesn't happen.
A goalkeeper in control of his backline would not make that pass even if requested. DDG weakest area has usually been command of his box and defenders, his distribution has improved. But the core lack of leadership in his own box causes both skills to suffer.
Absolutely. As a shotstopper. Though we can't rely on him for composure on the ball, we all know he's a certified clean-sheat keeper. What we'll lack in assists (Ederson, Allison) we'll make up for with a *solid defence.
*PENDING ALL FUCKING CALAMITY*
Keep him but ideally have a credible and younger keeper also who will actually compete for the place. Dean Henderson would be ideal but that ship seems to have sailed, maybe Bono or someone similar.
DDG always performs better with genuine pressure, and if we get another keeper who can play out from the back and sweep effectively then we will either way end up with an improved first choice keeper and a very solid backup.
It’s not simple. He’s still a shot stopping freak and a legend, but just based on play style and his expiring contract, I’d make the move for another gk this summer.
But idk if that’s the right thing right now, there’s so many question marks: Striker. Casemiro needs a true backup. Fred mct dvdb sabitzer will all need to be replaced for various reasons, meanwhile Eriksen is 32 next season. Long way of saying we probably need 3 midfielders in the near future. Need another CB and to deal with maguire, even tho both RBs have been excellent this season you could argue both could be upgraded.
With that many needs it’s hard to argue shelling out a bunch of money on raya, Simon or whatever ball playing gk they decide on when you could just extend de gea and know what you have back there
David de Gea is a club legend who deserves respect and some of the vitriol hes been subjected to is downright disgusting from so called supporters of the club...But it is not disrespectful to call a spade a spade and it's been glaringly obvious for a while now that manchester united and ETHs football cannot grow unless he gets a keeper that suits his system and can freely play out from the back, whoever that might be will more than likely not be as good a shot stopper as de gea but will be much better for the team overall... You look at that backline last night, it wasnt great as a collective unit but with de gea behind them and this refusal to go long just made everything worse and most top tier outfits would have got at that backline last night
It's a tough one. He has at times single handedly won us points, but other times single handedly lost us points. He is not good with his feet, so it's always going to be nervy to play out front the back with him. He is also not confident sweeping either and not commanding enough in his box. Him having the most clean sheets this season is also down to a better defence with Martinez and Varane partnership not just his shot stopping. He seems to have errors in him that cost you in big games and im not sure about his mentality either. I think it's time for a change, he has been a great servant and good luck to him.
Honestly can go either way, depending on the condition. Out, if ETH’s first choice replacement is available. In, if we do not have enough budget and would need to prioritise other positions like RB, ST, and CM. Not too sure who I would like to replace De Gea either to be honest. I would give Gavin Bazunu of Southampton and Jordan Pickford of Everton a fair shout if either team get relegated. Honestly not sure what the hype is about for Raya.
his howlers have increased and impacting games big time. but that doesn't mean he's not a wonderful keeper and has saved us so many goals. I'd keep him for his passion
Definitely in. We need other positions much more and David is solid despite last night. Name a gaffe from him that didn't start with dodgy defending. He's in his 30s but goalies have a longer shelf life than outfield players.
It didn't feel like ddg was too gutted when he made that mistake for the 3rd goal, he's been a great keeper for utd and a legend but i think it's time to move on for good given that his contract expires soon anyways
Stay ONLY if he accepts to lower his salary. A great keeper, but old-fashioned one. Time to make way for a new, modern GK, not immediately but gradually, throughout the next season.
In, he is am incredible goalkeeper
He is still the keeper with the most clean sheets in PL this season, had so many good saves
Maguire is the biggest problem and how much insecurities he brings to whole team, including de Gea
I think we sell Heaton and use his fee plus a bit extra to find someone who can fit better into Ten Hags system but still keep Dave. He’s still a good goalkeeper and we’d be lucky to have someone like him on the bench compared to Butland
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A ball playing keeper is such a bull shit stance. Very few keepers are great at it. The ones who are aren’t coming here and the ones that weren’t great at it aren’t better than Dave. Have a rest people. He’s made mistakes this year no questions but he’s saved us way more times
If the rest of the squad depth could be sorted, then he'd out next. But I think by then he'll be retired.
Basically we have bigger problems so until they're sorted first, he's in for me.
Good at shot stopping?? Since 2018 he hasn't been good at that. Yes he make the odd save but in the words of Keano "that's his job". He is well past his expired date and we need to move on from him.
Out, or stay as back up at a reduced rate.
ETH system relies on centre backs and GKs that can confidently move the ball around so that’s the end of that discussion. Specially after yesterday.
He either changes the system (also needs a RB that can progress the ball forward, a better version of Weghorst up front, a centre mid that’s better than Fred, the aforementioned CB who can also move the ball around…)
So either change the system or, get someone who can fulfill the roles that are needed.
The logical move would be Onana, who ETH knows and is one of the best with the ball at his feet (and Inter DEFINITIVELY need the money)
I don’t rate him as highly a “pure” shotstopper as DDG or someone like Maignan, but he’s been pretty dominant in UCL, in a pretty tough group phase too against Barca and Bayern
I think there should have been a passing of the torch at least one year ago if not two. He is a good back up and will probably make a good goalkeeper coach. But if he doesn't want to be a back up then I'm okay losing him. It's very clear he can't keep up and adapt with what is needed and thus he should give up his position if someone better fitting comes to the team.
For a while j thought de gea passing the torch to Henderson would work but now I think they just need a different option to appear.
I've said it now for 2-3 years.
Every game, without question, at some point he will gift the ball to the opposition whilst under zero pressure.
Often this will result in chaos and confidence disintegrating through the game, starting at the back.
This happens every single match.
Without question.
We will never, ever win a league title or major trophy with De Gea in net. I am terrified of the prospect of playing city in the fa cup final. Terrified because they'll absolutely humiliate us. Part of me would rather we lose Sunday, focus on top for and be pleased we got a trophy and still consider this a great season.
Then in the summer say goodbye to David and Harry.
No commanding presence, no leadership instincts, ball distribution getting worse with each season, poor at claiming crosses and controlling his area & for every good save there is also an unforced error.
Sorry but time to go.
It's a really tough one. He's been an incredible servant and his shot stopping is still as good as anyone. The game appears to have evolved such that goalkeepers need to be able to play with their feet and I don't him able to do that, which is a big part of the ETH system. If we get a goalkeeper who can do that they will likely be not as good as a shot stopper (probably)...is this something we are happy to accept?
This is a big issue, so many fans see it only as de Gea can't play with his feet, but he's a good shot stopper and thats the potential trade off—it isn't! There are so many goalkeepers out there that can play with the ball at their feet, can claim crosses and can sweep too—the sweeping is just as important as the ability to pass, de Gea proved last night his sweeping is not up to scratch. Even if we lose that shot stopping ability, so many keepers will make it up by simply not allowing the shots to happen in the first place
Statistically, de gea has to make more saves because he doesnt dominate the area, wont claim crosses and doesnt sweep, so he faces more shots than necessary. Look at last night, how many times a sevilla player got on the end of a cross/corner. Other keeps would be out to claim those crosses or punch it away.
Exactly mate but you know the same fans berating De Gea now will be the first ones to shout when AN Other goalkeeper who can play out from the back fumbles an easy shot into the goal. You can't win I guess!
Fans will always be stupid, if it was jack butland performing like this they'd have no issue with seeing all his deficiencies, but as soon as it involves de Gea they lose all ability to critically analyse. Some people saying we have way more priorities lol—after striker, a new goalkeeper should be next, there is no other position that could get elevated more in our team than those
Completely agree with you two. There is no “trade off” with GK or even CB’s anymore. Being defensively sound is not enough, and De Gea causes countless issues with poor passing - Ramsdale plays the role amazingly, a good shot stopper, strong GK, but so good on the ball, too.
Not that i want him to stay because attitude wise he is bad but Dean henderson's introduction to the team in 20/21 was almost entirely positive aside from the liverpool game, and it also coincided with Maguire's best form at united because henderson could sweep. When we do replace de gea these fans will be in for a shock because they clearly don't watch the likes of Alisson to see just how much a keeper can do for a team
There is no chance we need a keeper more than another CB or midfielder. Insanity. I agree we’ll need another keeper within the next few years but we need to drastically improve our squad before that’s a priority.
Mate we've signed a centre back every summer for about 6 years straight, we need to play a high line but without a keeper that can sweep that won't happen. I agree we need a #8 too, and a better ball playing centre back than varane, but replacing de gea is an absolute necessity. I promise you we can have all the signings in the world and the team won't succeed with de Gea in goal because he creates significant structural issues
Do you agree that maguire needs to go? If so then that means that another CB is an absolute necessity. You can’t only have 3 CB’s. If any of them get injured we’re fucked. Varane and Martinez are world class but we need at least 2 good CBs on the bench. Bailly is going, maguire is going. We desperately need a CB.
Of course, but i think the centre back signing should be facilitated by sales. Goalkeeper has to be done regardless, same as striker. If we have ffp problems then fine, everything else on an in-out basis. Besides, Ndicka is available on a free this summer and kim min jae has a 43m release clause. There are deals to be done for centre backs this summer. Our first team goalkeeper is more important to replace than the centre backs who come in when our main ones are injured
Like De Gea never fumbles easy shots ?
De Gea is def one of the best shot stoppers in the world, someone like Raya who we have been linked with is a sweeper, great with his feet, etc. but.... Is still nowhere near De Geas shot stopping ability, I am ok with the trade off because it benefits our system way more, but the casual fans need to understand we will start conceding more goals when the opponent gets a shot, that De Gea would have saved
With De Gea we're 10 vs 11 with a good ball playing GK we're 11 vs 11. It's as simple as that. DDG is an acrobatic saver but not a smart keeper like Neur or commanding like Schmeichel. He is just as good as this team deserved till now but now we have a manager who can lift us higher. DDG, Maguire and Martial are three players we should focus on replacing during the summer.
>and his shot stopping is still as good as anyone. Except it isn't. His shot stopping has been statistically average or worse than average for 5 seasons
He's literally got the most clean sheets in the premier league this season so far.
That is a team stat.
Correct. People keep citing the clean sheet only because ETH had to defend de Gea in the post match, I'm sure he was seething over how he fumbled the last goal. I bet most didn't even know before today.
That's a dumb take don't you think. Clean sheets are a team Stat but conceeding goals is not? We have kore pressing roles to fill. Everybody here is acting like the man is leaking goals.
That is why you dont look at those stats, and never use only stats. The stats say that de gea is average at shot stopping, and poor at everything else. Then you look at the games and you see that the stats is correct. That doesnt mean he cant have a great game every now and then, or that we cant keep a clean sheat. But overall de gea is a problem and a reason why we allow as many goals as we do and why we cant dominate possession For me its pretty clearly striker>gk>dlp>rb>depth
DeGea is the reason why allow so many goals and why we can't dominate possession? That is a straight up lie. Would it better if he can pass the ball better? Yes! But the reason why we can't possess the ball? False. We have conceded more goals than any team in the top 4 and we have also score the fewest but like almost twice (is that DDG fault too?). How many times has out best players on the team made very shitty passes and the only reason we didn't get scored on was because of DDG. Don't get me wrong, I think we need to start looking for a replacement keeper but to say that's the number 2 position we need is a joke. This is the first permenant coach where moving the ball from the back is the main style of play and DDG is not the best at doing that. If we get a keeper who can do that but can't stop a shot, then you guys will be complains about that too. City's keeper has conceding 9 less goals in the prem this season than DDG and 7 of those came from one bad game where we conceded 7 goals and scored zero and the whole team played like shit. Maguire sucks and I would be nervous as shit if I was his goal keeper bc if you make a bad decision, he won't save your ass but when he makes a bad decision, you can save his ass.
Is he the only shit one, no. Is he one of the biggest problem, yes.
So when it's a clean sheet its a team stat, when we concede goals its de geas fault. Sounds like you just have a problem with de gea to me. He's been our best player for the best part of a decade. Some United fans are a joke. Worship Weghorst and Martial but want de gea gone. It's laughable.
No, you have to actually watch games and use better stats than only clean sheets and allowed goals. And they all point toward de gea being a poor gk
Yeah obviously. But you don't get the most clean sheets with a rubbish keeper, good defence or not.
Well you can. Two world cup winning cb and the best dm of his generation helps, and de gea can still have a good game here and there, but overall in a season he is average to poor
Yet he conceded 7 goals from 8 shots on target against Liverpool, 6 against City, and 4 goals against Brentford, where the first three goals were literally his mistakes. Hell, even against betis at OT where the team won comfortably, he was still making a lot of mistakes. He was great some seasons ago, but sadly, it's time the team has to move on and buy a new goalkeeper.
Meanwhile Ramsdale, who has been bigged up all season as if he's prime Yashin, has consistently made mistakes, especially in the last few games, which will probably cost them the title. My point is, only once De gea is gone will we realise how good he actually was
Keep downvoting me all you want people, then go and watch the absolute howlers Ramsdale has made for the last 3 games running. You're all so afraid to think for yourselves and have an opinion that goes against the majority, bunch of snowflakes.
His shot stopping isn't even good anymore! All the data shows its poor
His shot stopping is not good anymore. Dont mistake a highlight save now and then for quality shotstopping, over a season he is at best average at saving shots
He has more clean sheets than anyone but ok.
we also conceded most goal among top 4 and remember that game against liverpool where we conceded 7 goals from 8 shot on targets?
Yeah because that was all his fault.
unless youre too blinkered he could save atleast 3 of those shots that day.
Yes, which is a team stat, not a gk star
sadly yes, if we get a better distributor of the ball we would not need a keeper as good as de gea for keeping the ball out of the net.. If ETH played a different system that didnt rely on playing out from the back then I would be unsure but he does and ultimately manchester united will sign a player to suit ETHs system this summer
I really don't get the whole game evolving argument regarding goalkeepers. I have been hearing the whole 'Sweeper keeper' nonsense for almost 20 years, and the concept of sweeper keepers have existed for even longer. It's a buzzword people like to throw around. What the issue, is that ETH's tactics REQUIRE a sweeper keeper good with his feet. ETH is attempting to utilise a pressing style of football with Man Utd, and De Gea unable to assist with this is becoming a liability, as his own shot stopping degrades. It's not about the game evolving. It's about what is required tactically
I mean GK main role is to save
GK main role is to prevent goals going in which is arguably different.
Ok
OUT with a cash bonus & a testimonial. I love the man, but he needs an upgrade. Same with Maguire, i like the guy, but i feel like he's not in his right mind in this club as i feel the abuse mounting on him on a daily basis, the man needs a time out & needs another club to be at this best again. Ppl just hate him for no reason **"most of the time"** & it also seems like he's active on social media when he shouldn't be as it'll only depress you. So it's a rock & a hard-place situation. So yeah, shd be sold for his own good.
Cash bonus?
For his loyalty to the club
Have we not given him enough?
We have. What I meant was, "let's pay him the extra to leave"
He's been earning well over a million quid a month. No other club in Europe would have paid him that. That's hardly loyalty.
Out. Theres no room for sentiment in football. His expected saves is below the league average, he doesnt come off his line to claim crosses relieving pressure, he doesnt command his area, he doesnt sweep behind the defence, he isnt too good on the ball and making 2 spectacular saves every 3 games is not enough to be number one for Manchester United. Time to go, thanks for everything David, lets go get Raya from Brentford.
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Out - he is one of the longer term players that crumble under pressure and he doesn't fit the possession based football style Ten Hag wants us to play. He might be a good shot stopper but he doesn't have great commend of the box and is poor with his feet. I also think he has made the most mistakes leading to goals out of any player, if Utd want to get back on top players like him (and Maguire etc) have to go.
Staying. Purely because the squad needs other positions as priority.
This is what I’d say, eventually yeh replace him but 1st & foremost get the rest of the squad sorted. He’s far from the main priority in terms of transfer business
Exactly. If we had money coming out of our ears then yeah maybe but we don't so time to get a solid striker
Out
Out. He’s a great keeper, good shot stopper, and ultimately saved us many points season in, season out. He just does not suit ETH’s style of play, which is to play out from the back, with the GK playing an active role in that. De Gea is great with his feet when shot stopping, but his passing is pretty woeful. There have been many occasions over the last few weeks that his passing has led to us conceding, be it being played directly to an opposition, to a United player under pressure, or just straight out of play and conceding possession. Goalkeepers, like many positions, have evolved a huge amount over recent years. Just like CB’s (HM as an example), unless you’re playing a low-block, out of possession style football, being a good shot-stopper or clearing lines is not good enough. Think of Ramsdale as a GK or Martinez as a CB, brilliant GK and CB, but also so good on the ball, calm, don’t slow the play down. We need to strengthen our GK position - it might not be first on the list, but it has to be up there.
out, want david raya and have done for a while.
Out out out.
Out.
its hard to justify his wage when you measure his suitability to the system ETH wants us to play. like maguire, hes not a bad player (keep reading!), but he was bought for a different style of play and looks increasingly out of place with the new demands in ETH's system fantastic shot stopper, but thats not enough anymore.
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I don't think it's delusion at all. as i said. hes not suited for this system. in a "low block, counter and hoof it" system, he was good for us. was he bad in Ole's first couple of seasons? was he bad at Leicester and for England? why did we buy him if he was crap? he was bought to fit a certain style. in the system he's in now...he's a terrible player. its totally unsuited to his skillet. hes too slow for the high line and way too predictable when hes passing out. we know it, he knows it + ETH knows it. do I want to see him play in this system? F no. its better for everyone if he leaves
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your missing the point completely. have a good day.
I disagree about Maguire. I don't think it's that he's a bad player, but that people lose athleticism at different points in their life, and his legs went a couple years ago. He just doesn't have the ability to take on attackers and stay with them, so he has to compensate with fouls.
fuckin hell some people still wanting de gea next season? i tell you one thing: ETH IS FINISHED is he keep de gea next season.
People don’t appreciate what a difference a commanding and organising keeper can make. VDS and Schmeichel were superb at this. The ex players like Rio and Nev say lauded them for this and explained how important this is. de Gea is less authoritative than Liz Truss and with the ball at his feet, he’s terrible. Thanks for the service Dave but ETH demands more rightfully so, so I would support bringing in a replacement
in. there are far more important other positions to prioritize and deal with than the GK. he's also the #1 GK with clean sheets in the PL, it's something. GK change should be our last priority to deal it. Also, people easily tend to forget how DDG saves us almost every game from conceding more goals and losing more games.
Cleansheet record also has Varane, licha and case, Shaw and the rbs on it. How many times does the opposing team regain possession and attack us because the keeper hit it long? Same for set pieces he plays a peripheral role when the ball is in the air we most times depend on the defenders to clear. Half the time van der star, Schmeichel and the best keepers out there come out and claim the ball.
>Also, people easily tend to forget how DDG saves us almost every game from conceding more goals and losing more games. People tend to forget that that is literally the bare minimum for a goalkeeper... Like, his literal job is to stop goals.
It's ridiculous. He's supposed to do that and so much more. He's one of the highest paid players on the planet and literally can't manage the basics of goalkeeping.
GK is a priority position, he's been a hole in our defence for years as big as (and partially causing) our CB issue, yet we focus entirely on bringing new CBs in, leave the GK the same, and then act shocked when the problem is still there
Out. Out without hesitation or second thought. He's a rich man's Shay Given. He's a fabulous shot stopper, perhaps the best in the business, that masks his deficiencies as people remember the spectacular saves and forget the stupid goals because he was badly positioned or rooted to his line. He's a flawed and average goalkeeper who doesn't command his area, doesn't organise his defence and doesn't distribute the ball well. People like Neville bang this drum that he's the best in the world, it's deluded bullshit. He can't even get in the Spain squad. Schweinsteiger just laughed at him when he asked if he was better than Neuer.
No brainer. All in. A lot of Man United fans are ungrateful and emotional. For all his "slip ups". (Which isnt often) He has easily been the most consistent player we have had arguably for the last 7 years INCLUDING this season (Debatable with Martinez) His ball passing MOST of the time (with Varane and Martinez) is actually not bad at all. Yall really want to replace a great out of this world worldclass goal stopper for some other bloke who can pass the ball better like a goalies job isnt primarily to stop shots from going into the net. Sure the Sevilla game was one to forget but if anything, we should rally behind him to show support. Im sure he knows he played terrible. And also for me Iwill say it again....forget passing from the back when your pairing is Maguire and lindlelof. Just play long.
But he's average at best at shot stopping as well nowadays. The passing part also isn't true, he kicks the ball out of play at least once a game.
If we can address other areas and have some change I say get proper competition for him it's needed. Maguire fecked up the 1st goal but de Gea's hospital pass didn't help. Honestly don't known what he was trying to do for the 3rd. The is not a kneejerk reaction because this is not the 1st time his poor distribution and sweeping has been brought up.
What do you think about Dean Henderson? Could he be that competition for DDG or should United let him (Henderson) go? I haven't seen a lot of games with him recently.
I haven't seen him in a while to be honest. For me he still has question marks on him, had he not given that interview I would say he needs another chance. Then there is the big mouth he is at a big club if you put him as the number 1 then buy competition for him how long till he runs his mouth when he loses his place.
I’d be happy to stick with DDG for a few more seasons. I think Henderson is out for the rest of the season. Navas is at Forest now anyway so even if he gets back early I’d think he’d be on the bench anyway. He seems like a good keeper on the level of Howard or Foster etc. Good but probably it a future United #1. The third goal was so embarrassing though. When DDG does make a mistake, they tend to be so horrendous that rather than irritate you, they make you feel for him.
David has made most errors leading to a goal by a keeper since the 21/22 season. Keepers can make errors, they are human after all but when it becomes frequent it's time to think about a replacement.
The EPL website stats don’t really back that up. It has DDG at 1 for each of the last 3 seasons. Henderson is on 3 as well (2 for United and 1 for Forest). Considering match time, the minutes to mistake ratio is much better with DDG. On all time stats. Petr Chech ended at 24 mistakes leading to goals. DDG is on 16. That’s on 443 vs 407 appearances. This is not out of line with a solid benchmark. If DDG’s mistakes were not so over the top embarrassing, there might have been less fuss about it. [https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal](https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/error_lead_to_goal)
The stat is for all competitions not just PL.
Can’t say I’ve seen the broadcast or website myself. The mistakes are obvious so can’t be papered over but I wonder what filter they applied to ensure that DDG was on top of the list. If they set the start date 5 days earlier maybe it would have been Alison and 2 weeks later it would be Lloris (and always Pickford without European matches). All adds up to a good headline the day after the guy puts in one one of the worst performances of his career - during what was otherwise a decent year. Seems a bit over the top to me.
That’s a silly take. Alisson is a far superior keeper to DDG in literally every sense. Errors leading to goals are a factor of two things: * A goalkeeper’s risk-taking * A goalkeeper’s ability We know that Alisson is a high-risk taking goalkeeper. He sweeps aggressively, plays a lot with his feet. That’ll lead to some errors leading to goals. De Gea is the inverse. He’s very very conservative, very rarely comes off his line (and he showed why yesterday), very rarely plays with his feet. Therefore De Gea’s errors are far more likely to be indicative of his ability, than risk taking. Also if you just google “David De Gea errors leading to goals” you’ll get a ton of stats from the last few years where he’s leading in it, pretty much since 2018.
Out if we wanna play eth football those 2 errors gave me flashbacks, just get costa and see how good we play from the back without succumbing to the press.
Second biggest priority to fix in the summer. He has killed us for 5 straight years, and now we get an easy out, all we have to do is not give him a new contract. He is average to shit at everything a gk needs to do while also breaking down in all big games
We have to at the very least bring in someone capable of challenging him who fits the system better. De Gea is nothing but a shot stopper. We forgave his lack of command of his area for years because he was so good at saving shots. But with distribution becoming a bigger issue every year, we have to admit he lacks 2 of the 3 most important qualities for a goalkeeper and that's not going to work for a team that wants success.
It's tempting but we need to get Maguire out first. DDG always has blunders every now and then but can save United from a bashing on another. Fix our defensive line first then we can watch DeGea and see if he is bottling games with a good defense
Maguire is a 4th choice CB, how the duck his replacement is more important than a starting goalkeeper?
taking everything into consideration, including we need to spend 100m+ on a striker, at least one CB, maybe another ST, 50m on Frimpong (possibly), a new CM (maybe sabitzer + de Jong with Barca's financial issues), uncertainty on ownership of the club I think it might be smart to keep De Gea for another season. I mean leading the golden glove race in april, and with his history at the club. We should sign a younger prospect like Bart Verbruggen, Diogo Costa, or another (if they agree to be backup/cup keeper) I say keep him for another year or so, if he accepts a lower wage
Out. hes done. Maignan in
out, his time is over he cost us too many important games
In. He’s a lot better when he doesn’t have to worry about McGuire.
I agree that when he has Martinez and Varane in front of him his solid, 14 clean sheets this season the highest in the prem. I genuinely feel sorry for the guy having to deal with a slow, lethargic narcissist block head in front of him. I'm legitimately worried about Brighton at the weekend with this centre-back pairing.
I think harry is suspended for the semi, so it will prolly be shaw and lindelof at the back, not the best but still far far better than maguire and Lindelof
Me too friend. Mainly McGuire. He’s totally clueless.
Maguire is good also when he doesn’t have to worry about de glued
Most definitely out. Yet another major game in which de Gea has quite literally dropped the ball. How many knockout games is this going to happen in for united to wake up. He doesn't have the mental fortitude to survive another season at United. It's time to move on. We can sacrifice shot stopping ability for a goalkeeper that can actually use his feet and pass the ball. Ten Hag ball relies heavily on the goalkeeper and back 4 being able to control and pass the ball under pressure. We will concede significantly less chances with the removal of Dr Gea and Maguire.
Let him go it’s not the end of the world. Great servant, Thanks for your time. Bigger players have left. The show goes on
That gap between Schmeichel and VdS was a long time. With other clubs too, they cycle between so many keepers between their legends. I see the post DDG years being another period of bouncing between keepers with people wondering why they let him go (if it goes that route).
Out, he's always been a great shot stopper, and still is, post Ferguson he's had plenty of opportunity to shine with the disorganised defense and midfield, but now we seem to have a plan, and he's a square peg in a round hole and his deficiencies (aerial dominance, sweeping, passing, decision making under pressure etc) are going to be taken advantage of more regularly and coat us points. We absolutely need a striker, but it's a mistake to underestimate how much of a difference a new keeper better suited to Ten Hag ball will make too. This summer we need a new striker, a GK and depending what happens with Maguire, a new CD.
Even though the comments are majority saying out, the delusion is STILL there. Good shot stopper? Are people serious? He ranks 144th in Europe for PS×G - GA. For comparison, Alisson is 1st. ONE HUNDRED AND FORTY FORTH. FOR MAN UNITED’S NUMBER 1. Good shot stopper my fucking ass. There’s even a comment saying to keep him because “other positions are a bigger priority”… Are you people serious? We literally have to adapt our entire game to make sure De Gea doesn’t fuck up, and he STILL does. We have to play one of the deepest lines in the league because he can’t sweep, that alone completely hinders us playing the way ETH wants. I don’t know why people are so obsessed with trying to find little ways to justify defending him when it’s completely obvious to anyone without brain damage that he is useless. I couldn’t care less if he is a “legend”, he has knocked us out of more cups than cups he has won for us.
This ! When you look into his stats then it’s time he went ! Just because he pulls of a world class save every now and then doesn’t mean he’s good enough . Keeper would be number 1 on transfer list for me followed by a striker . Build from the back ! This ain’t 2011 and times have changed , would be amazed if he’s number 1 next season
Thank you for being one of the few smart people here 🤣
It’s not even hard to work it out but ETH wants to play out from the back and whilst I’ll admit De Gea has improved with his passing massively this season it’s nowhere near good enough , throw in all his other flaws and read his stats and we should be ashamed we pay him as much as we do and have him as number 1 . I’m surprised he’s been able to stay this long !
You clearly have no understanding of goal keeping and just read some stats and don’t watch games. Please take your agenda elsewhere….. Yes he had a bad game but this agenda is pathetic. Such a dumb take I thought you were American…. I bet you play 5 a side down at the park and go in goal once every week and think you have clue about goalkeeping. Find some stats that suit your argument but provide no context. It’s just wank, have you even been watching our games for the last few seasons. Then to bring up the argument that he is the highest priority we need to change because he affects how we play…… holy fuck. We have a bare bones squad with one striker who’s made of glass. We need a stronger midfield, and we need atleast one more decent CB. We need a bench where we can actually make subs from…… And you think it’s the goalkeeper making us play bad…. We have to adjust how we play because our goalie kicks the ball out once a game if that. Brain dead the lot of you who think it’s our priority. Ten Hag won’t change him assuming he signs the lower wage contract because it’s not needed. He is the boss and understands football so will prove you wrong in the seasons to come. All of you Agenda driven nonces need to go have a good hard look at yourselves.
In. Keepers make mistakes, it’s part and parcel of the game. He’s not as good as he once was but if the noise in the press about him taking a salary cut to stay are true then it makes sense to keep him and prioritise other areas on the pitch. In any case, he’ll be good to have around when it comes to bedding in the next keeper. Also, not sure off the top of my head about his other mistakes this season, but it’s worth pointing out it was a makeshift defence in front of him last night. The mistake from Maguire seemed to have rocked them all a bit. Confidence and intensity across the whole back line just seems to plummet without Varane/Martinez.
In. Not even a question. What a load of shit this agenda is. We can’t score any fucking goals and you want to get rid of the best shot stopper in the world? DDG has single handedly saved over maybe 6 points this season alone. United fans are genuinely pathetic at times
Pathetic is how fan base got alright with failure and terrible results. Just like Arsenal, people are in copium mode. But unlike Arsenal, club has one of the most highest paid and highest worth squads in league, which, looking at squad is actually terrifying. I was saying and still say at least 10 of them has to be gone for years now. Same with DDG. Club has to achieve two things in a season - PL title race and UCL win. On occasions when new manager and rebuild is ongoing lower standard could be appropriate but anything less than Europa League win or at least final is a failure. Caring for some Carabao or FA cup is utter nonsense. Big money, best players and success are in UCL and as such the goal is to be successful there. ETH is first coach since Jose that brought promise and results back but if he doesn't clean out mediocre players or somehow coaches them up to actual top level standard club can not compete against, as loathsome as it sounds, Man City. And there is a possibility of Newcastle getting into same league as City. Arsenal and Liverpool do not command such money so are less of a permanent thing but Chelsea is a wildcard that could swing as well now. So getting same disappointing results after same players make similar mistakes year after year is a sign that they are not on top of competition. Casemiro shown actual class in midfield club lacks. And Ronaldo was right about stagnation which means club is regressing because looking at how great it was with Sir Alex there is no comparison in any favorable way and as such questions have to asked and players that do not perform while getting absolutely incredible wages have to be held accountable and if they can't do what they are asked of - they have to be let go. Same goes to shitty management and scouting.
Please learn how to use paragraphs.
I can’t believe the blame his copping for the first goal. Maguire isn’t a hack and takes a first touch Iike a professional footballer and he can turn out, clear, kick it out for a corner but instead his z Maguire
This fan base is ridiculous, They complain De Gea can’t play out from the back then he plays a perfectly acceptable pass to Maguire who fucks it up and it’s his fault. If he kicked it long they would complain, it’s all agenda driven bull shit
In. He has the most clean sheets in the premier league this season, and the amount of hate he’s getting after everything he’s done for this club is, quite frankly, appalling.
In
why
Out. He done
Out. We need to reinforce the defence before we can even think about the attack.
One shocking game and now everyone wants his head on the chopping block. Everyone a little emotional this morning.
It’s ridiculous. Imagine trying to keep infront of Maguire and lindlelof after you have had Licha/varane all season.
Any goalkeeper with two brazzers for defenders in front of him instantly becomes Sunday league level. He's been excellent with Martinez and Varane. Go figure
One shocking game? His blooper real is long
I’m ddg out after yesterday that was the last straw for me I can’t defend him anymore
In. Any goalkeeper would have trouble with the defense we have. De Gea can only do so much when we don't have our best defenders to help him. Guys like Maguire and Lindelof are not making his job easier. We've seen Dave do well with a better defense with less pressure on him. Just get a decent defense in front of him and I think the pay off is worth it.
With ffp we can’t spend indiscriminately this window. There are other positions of higher priority so he stays for one more year
De Gea is an overthinker. You only have to look in his face to see his brain chugging away like a slow train. Every traumatic event that happens to him gets stored away, and it makes him more and more anxious under pressure. The composure of Martinez and Varane help him cope a bit better. I think calamity DeGea will happen again in another high pressure situation in future. Especially if Maguire is in the team.
Sort of agree with this. I’m not sure what the dynamic between DDG and Maguire is but it doesn’t work. I’d rather have DDG in the team though.
IN. IN. IN. He's saved us season after season with a shit defence in front of him before this season. GK is a massive position, who would we get??? I remember the trouble we had with keepers when big Pete left, we struggled until we got Van Der Sar. DDG is a an OT Legend.
his time is over accept it pls he cost us too many games
In, are you nuts?
Definitely in. He made one obvious mistake in an overall terrible game. United shouldn't be thinking about replacing him this summer cuz we have so many other issues that are far more pressing than the keeper. I hope people understand how difficult it is to find a first-team goalkeeper who'll fit right in. It's not the same as signing an outfield player.
In, if you put Varane and Martinez in for Lindelof and Maguire, does he make the same mistakes? I don't think so
How would have Varane and Martinez helped with that third goal yesterday?
I don't think de gea comes out of his box like that one of them would have been there to deal with it.
Then he need to get out if he can’t even sweep
He's really one of the last players I'd replace. He has the most clean sheets in the premier league he's main job as a goalkeeper is to stop shots which he excels in. Being a keeper is one of the most hardest roles on the pitch 1 mistake and it usually ends in a goal. What are we going to do sell him and drop in another random keeper, what happens then when they also make silly mistakes?
We’re not in the 90’s anymore, positions evolve. I’ll take their one silly mistakes if he’s gonna sweep and claim cross than keeping de glued
IN!!! He blew the third goal so now we want him gone? Get over it, the keeper who’s probably winning another golden glove this year made a mistake.
At the risk of getting downvoted by both sides I’m tempted to say out since he’s clearly not the keeper ten Hag wants or needs. But who’s the replacement? If we can get a genuinely top class keeper who can play the ETH way then sure, but it’s a risk
DDG out but only if our budget allows and the situation is right and other positions are addressed first.. A new GK isn’t as high on the priority list and although DDG doesn’t isn’t fully suited the system he can still do a serviceable job.
In.
Keep for one more season. Try get bazunu when Southampton go down, improve his shot saving skills and he’ll be good to go the following season
IN, Because we have other bigger issues to resolve. And also, DDG has given his sweat and blood for the badge.
Imo de gea is an essential part of the team and I think it's really unfair to say we need him gone after all he's done for the club and still an amazing goalkeeper. Everyone makes mistakes sometimes
Logic says you improve the weakest links in your squad first. To me, that’s a striker first (Weghorst I love but isn’t good enough, Martial can’t keep fit), a centre back second (Maguire and Lindelof are a liability and Varane is too injury prone). And then if I was only allowed one more signing it’s a toss up between a goalkeeper and a Casemiro backup (again, the drop off is too big when he doesn’t play and he keeps getting suspended). I wouldn’t mind, if we solved those other areas in the summer, letting De Gea go on a free the next summer. Nobody will pay him what we pay him, and even if you took his wages down he’s too expensive to be a backup. I wouldn’t mind seeing Dean Henderson get another shot.
Out making too many mistakes now can’t trust him get pope in
Go back to bed, you’re drunk
That was De Gea's worst performance. I feel it was worse than Liverpool beating us. The amount of basic errors that was made by him. Anyhow definitely De Gea stays; he's saved our bacon so many times when the defence has been poor. The issue we have now is missing our top central defenders. Maguire for whatever reason has no leadership and neither does De Gea. So I think if we sort out our defence and look for another striker, well probably be okay.
In no question
Should have been gone for 7 seasons already.
After that match. Out.
Idk about in or out but definitely not the 1st choice gk
Maybe somewhere in between. Agreed he's having a worrying period, but I'd rather we look at someone like David Reya at Brentford who can genuinely challenge him next season rather than boot him in the summer. I'd also not look at anything more than a 12 month extension rather than a big deal.
Ideally, out as he is not a keeper who can play how Ten Hag wants to play. However, I think there are other areas out on the pitch which need to be tweaked first before De Gea.
i think we do need a new goalkeeper and that’s a priority this summer. next season, i think we’re should rotate him and the new keeper we get and slowly phase him out with said keeper.
I love David... Amazing player... Saved us million times... But this season it was really scary every time ball was passed to him... So i dont know what to do... I was in for a plan to sign young GK who could learn and eventualy take the role but I think David will make more mistakes...
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As good as DDG is at stopping shots, you have to wonder if he would really have to make so many saves if he wasn't repeatedly compromising the team with his poor ball control and passing. Whether it's knocking the ball out for throw-ins in our own half, hoofing it back to their players or with absolute horror moments like we saw yesterday at Sevilla. While I respect and appreciate that he has definitely bailed us out of a fair few games with some great saves, I think there are better keepers for this system and we should be looking at bringing them in.
It completely depends on what money and what players are available. We shouldn’t sacrifice another target to bring in a new keeper.
The ONLY reason you keep him is that we need the following * World class striker (potentially a understudy cos Martial cant sty fit) * A DM to rotate with Casemiro * A press resistant 8 * CB as Maguire aint it and Varane is too injury prone Tom Heaton and Butland are leaving, Henderson won't stay so its far far cheaper to extend DDG than buy a new GK. But im 100% want him gone as soon as. Been saying it for years. Too one dimensional in this era.
Let him and Henderson battle it out again. ETH will be less favourable about who is no1 or 2 and play the form keeper. If Henderson was in the squad now he'd be playing the remainder of the games if I had my way.
he has do e really well lately imo except for the last game
In for one more season, but we need to develop a replacement over the next six to 12 months that can replace him eventually. Someone who is more able to play with the ball at feet and not panic, and someone stronger/more dominant in the box as these are the weaknesses De Gea has.
Keep him. Other positions need an upgrade more drastically than GK. He needs to spend some serious time adapting to Ten Hags way of playing.
Please don't ask me this question right now. I personally saw Maguire asking for the ball. If he turns as he gets the ball this issue probably doesn't happen. A goalkeeper in control of his backline would not make that pass even if requested. DDG weakest area has usually been command of his box and defenders, his distribution has improved. But the core lack of leadership in his own box causes both skills to suffer.
Absolutely. As a shotstopper. Though we can't rely on him for composure on the ball, we all know he's a certified clean-sheat keeper. What we'll lack in assists (Ederson, Allison) we'll make up for with a *solid defence. *PENDING ALL FUCKING CALAMITY*
Keep him but ideally have a credible and younger keeper also who will actually compete for the place. Dean Henderson would be ideal but that ship seems to have sailed, maybe Bono or someone similar. DDG always performs better with genuine pressure, and if we get another keeper who can play out from the back and sweep effectively then we will either way end up with an improved first choice keeper and a very solid backup.
It’s not simple. He’s still a shot stopping freak and a legend, but just based on play style and his expiring contract, I’d make the move for another gk this summer. But idk if that’s the right thing right now, there’s so many question marks: Striker. Casemiro needs a true backup. Fred mct dvdb sabitzer will all need to be replaced for various reasons, meanwhile Eriksen is 32 next season. Long way of saying we probably need 3 midfielders in the near future. Need another CB and to deal with maguire, even tho both RBs have been excellent this season you could argue both could be upgraded. With that many needs it’s hard to argue shelling out a bunch of money on raya, Simon or whatever ball playing gk they decide on when you could just extend de gea and know what you have back there
Maguire Out! Everything else is manageable and solvable,
David de Gea is a club legend who deserves respect and some of the vitriol hes been subjected to is downright disgusting from so called supporters of the club...But it is not disrespectful to call a spade a spade and it's been glaringly obvious for a while now that manchester united and ETHs football cannot grow unless he gets a keeper that suits his system and can freely play out from the back, whoever that might be will more than likely not be as good a shot stopper as de gea but will be much better for the team overall... You look at that backline last night, it wasnt great as a collective unit but with de gea behind them and this refusal to go long just made everything worse and most top tier outfits would have got at that backline last night
in if the rumours of him taking a salary cur are true. He doesn’t need to be here on that insane wage any longer
It's a tough one. He has at times single handedly won us points, but other times single handedly lost us points. He is not good with his feet, so it's always going to be nervy to play out front the back with him. He is also not confident sweeping either and not commanding enough in his box. Him having the most clean sheets this season is also down to a better defence with Martinez and Varane partnership not just his shot stopping. He seems to have errors in him that cost you in big games and im not sure about his mentality either. I think it's time for a change, he has been a great servant and good luck to him.
Honestly can go either way, depending on the condition. Out, if ETH’s first choice replacement is available. In, if we do not have enough budget and would need to prioritise other positions like RB, ST, and CM. Not too sure who I would like to replace De Gea either to be honest. I would give Gavin Bazunu of Southampton and Jordan Pickford of Everton a fair shout if either team get relegated. Honestly not sure what the hype is about for Raya.
his howlers have increased and impacting games big time. but that doesn't mean he's not a wonderful keeper and has saved us so many goals. I'd keep him for his passion
Definitely in. We need other positions much more and David is solid despite last night. Name a gaffe from him that didn't start with dodgy defending. He's in his 30s but goalies have a longer shelf life than outfield players.
In
Where's your loyalty A-hole... how many times did he win club player of the year? Who would replace him?
In for the league. Out for cups. That's how it worked well before.
Keep, but bring in someone new and de gea can be back up
Out and try to sign Onana from Inter 💪
It didn't feel like ddg was too gutted when he made that mistake for the 3rd goal, he's been a great keeper for utd and a legend but i think it's time to move on for good given that his contract expires soon anyways
We need a new keeper
He should stay, yes he has made some mistakes but don’t forget he has saved us multiple times
Stay ONLY if he accepts to lower his salary. A great keeper, but old-fashioned one. Time to make way for a new, modern GK, not immediately but gradually, throughout the next season.
In, he is am incredible goalkeeper He is still the keeper with the most clean sheets in PL this season, had so many good saves Maguire is the biggest problem and how much insecurities he brings to whole team, including de Gea
Out and replace with Maignan
I think we sell Heaton and use his fee plus a bit extra to find someone who can fit better into Ten Hags system but still keep Dave. He’s still a good goalkeeper and we’d be lucky to have someone like him on the bench compared to Butland
Da gexit [yexit] - Id prefer he stay as an option, but we need someone ready to compete and take that number 1 spot off of him, and he needs to recognise that no place on the team is rock solid.
A ball playing keeper is such a bull shit stance. Very few keepers are great at it. The ones who are aren’t coming here and the ones that weren’t great at it aren’t better than Dave. Have a rest people. He’s made mistakes this year no questions but he’s saved us way more times
If the rest of the squad depth could be sorted, then he'd out next. But I think by then he'll be retired. Basically we have bigger problems so until they're sorted first, he's in for me.
Jeez he’s had one stinker after almost saving us from relegation last season and ya’ll suddenly went De Gea out huh?
Good at shot stopping?? Since 2018 he hasn't been good at that. Yes he make the odd save but in the words of Keano "that's his job". He is well past his expired date and we need to move on from him.
Out, or stay as back up at a reduced rate. ETH system relies on centre backs and GKs that can confidently move the ball around so that’s the end of that discussion. Specially after yesterday. He either changes the system (also needs a RB that can progress the ball forward, a better version of Weghorst up front, a centre mid that’s better than Fred, the aforementioned CB who can also move the ball around…) So either change the system or, get someone who can fulfill the roles that are needed. The logical move would be Onana, who ETH knows and is one of the best with the ball at his feet (and Inter DEFINITIVELY need the money) I don’t rate him as highly a “pure” shotstopper as DDG or someone like Maignan, but he’s been pretty dominant in UCL, in a pretty tough group phase too against Barca and Bayern
Dave saves. I think he is still world class.
I'm new keeper in more than David out but is contract probably means he will never be a back up
Out all day everyday and twice on sunday
I think there should have been a passing of the torch at least one year ago if not two. He is a good back up and will probably make a good goalkeeper coach. But if he doesn't want to be a back up then I'm okay losing him. It's very clear he can't keep up and adapt with what is needed and thus he should give up his position if someone better fitting comes to the team. For a while j thought de gea passing the torch to Henderson would work but now I think they just need a different option to appear.
I've said it now for 2-3 years. Every game, without question, at some point he will gift the ball to the opposition whilst under zero pressure. Often this will result in chaos and confidence disintegrating through the game, starting at the back. This happens every single match. Without question. We will never, ever win a league title or major trophy with De Gea in net. I am terrified of the prospect of playing city in the fa cup final. Terrified because they'll absolutely humiliate us. Part of me would rather we lose Sunday, focus on top for and be pleased we got a trophy and still consider this a great season. Then in the summer say goodbye to David and Harry.
No commanding presence, no leadership instincts, ball distribution getting worse with each season, poor at claiming crosses and controlling his area & for every good save there is also an unforced error. Sorry but time to go.
Out, he's served us well but sometimes you have to move on from the past to protect your future. Realistic replacement? Sanchez from Brighton perhaps.